Amanita's

[soulninja]

Someone posted a thread curious about San Pedro so i'm posting one curious about Amanita Muscaria.Anyone tried it and have any feed back?Its the only psychadelic i havnt tried other than peyote.feedback would be appreciated.Thanks

[AWOL]

I've wanted to try it, but heard mixed reports. Some say it's a ROUGH trip, some say it's enjoyable. I'd be interested in hearing reports as well.

[Seedy]

It's always sounded fucking nasty to me but it could be scare tactics since they grow everywhere (doubt it though, people like getting high). I too would like to hear from someone who's tried it.

[freedomclub]

a guy named blah,blah,blah or on Junkylife/blue light he's Seedless anyway he grows cacti. He knows ALL.

[nick]

I've tried it and it wasn't that great.Like being very stoned with a few spatial distortions thrown in.Getting in to a taxi wasn't easy.

I seem to remember making tea and putting some on a pizza.

[sp33dballin]

it is the most unpleasent, unenlightening, unfun time ive ever had in my life. me and a buddy ordered 28gs of it.. it was 4 huge caps.. we opened the bag and almost vomited from the smell alone.. but we are professionals over here.. we ate the recommended dose for a strong dose... aside from the taste alone making me sick... i felt nothing.. neither did my buddy.. we tried again then ext day... ate them.. this time i tried masking the flavor by putting it in with chicken pot pie... aside from ruining one of my favorite foods .. i still to this day can not eat chicken pot pie... no effects what so ever.. so i did some more reading.. and decided to make tea out of it.. broke the caps up nicely.. boiled water.. let it steep for abou 10 minutes.. strained.. drank. both me and my buddy both sat there drooled on ourselfves.. the best way i can describe the feeling was... well.. ever have a really high temperature while being sick, and you feel pretty delusional? multiply that by 5, add in cold sweats and full body shakes. thats about as fun as it got. no cool mental aspects, no visuals... nothing fun what-so-ever. if youre interested in it enough that youre asking about it, youre gonna try it... but seriously, if someone paid me to do it again... id pay them double to not have to.

[freedomclub]

it is the most unpleasent, unenlightening, unfun time ive ever had in my life. me and a buddy ordered 28gs of it.. it was 4 huge caps.. we opened the bag and almost vomited from the smell alone.. but we are professionals over here.. we ate the recommended dose for a strong dose... aside from the taste alone making me sick... i felt nothing.. neither did my buddy.. we tried again then ext day... ate them.. this time i tried masking the flavor by putting it in with chicken pot pie... aside from ruining one of my favorite foods .. i still to this day can not eat chicken pot pie... no effects what so ever.. so i did some more reading.. and decided to make tea out of it.. broke the caps up nicely.. boiled water.. let it steep for abou 10 minutes.. strained.. drank. both me and my buddy both sat there drooled on ourselfves.. the best way i can describe the feeling was... well.. ever have a really high temperature while being sick, and you feel pretty delusional? multiply that by 5, add in cold sweats and full body shakes. thats about as fun as it got. no cool mental aspects, no visuals... nothing fun what-so-ever. if youre interested in it enough that youre asking about it, youre gonna try it... but seriously, if someone paid me to do it again... id pay them double to not have to.


I'm doing it. What can I say I huff gasoline.






not really. :o

[OxyContinuously]

I agree with sp33dballin'

I tried it too, and it was *disgusting* It is by no means a trip, like acid or peyote, or something like a classic hallucinogen (ie a tryptamine or phenethylamine, indoles, etc.) It operates on a totally different wavelength.

The principal ingredients responsibe for the "hallucinations," if you want to call them that is a substance called "ibotenic acid" and muscimol. There are certain theories abouns that state different things. For example, some believe that ibotenic acid is the chem. responsible for the unpleasant side effects (ie dizziness, disorientation, nausea, etc.) and that by heating the mushroom before consumption--nothing crazy, similar to how one would heat the seeds of : Anadenanthera lightly until they "pop" then mix them up with lime, etc., etc.

The addition of heat to the fly agaric, or toadstool, or Amanita (all names for the same species of mushroom) is believed by some to convert some of the ibotenic acid to "muscimol." This is still unproven scientifically, however, as some say it works to alleviate the unpleasantness, some say it made no difference.

One of the main problems with the entire genus, amanitas, is that like other mushrooms, many look very similar-- one should be skilled in mycology if you pick them wild, because some may seem to be identical, but in fact be deadly poison, similar to how the "death cap" white mushroom looks almost the same as the edible "grocery store" variety. Tricky, tricky business. I am aware that many online vendors and headshops do in fact sell Amanita muscaria, which is the one that is edible.

Little history behind this mushroom. There is a lot of lore and legend surrounding it. For instance, in Scandinavia, it is believed that these are the infamous "toadstools," on which gnomes, faries, and other mythical beings rest after a days work. Another popular story is that many Norwegian people believe that this is the mushroom that was consumed by the Vikings before their trip to the British Isles. The Vikings are believed by some to have been such ruthless and merciless fighters becasue they purportedly went "berserk" after consumption, without worrying about such battlefield woes like fatigue and most importantly, fear. Under the influence of the Amanita, they were seemingly unstoppable.

Very interesting, I must say. Now on to effects. This particular fungus, at least for me, produced a state of delirium, most uncomfortable, I may add. Ther was nausea, i vomited twice, and my sense of time was very distorted-- similar to P.cubensis, but not quite. The trip reminded me of tropanes in the sense that I had the sinking sensation that my body was poisoned and what I was going through was an attempt by my body to rid itself of the poison. Like I stated above, Amanitas are not a traditional indole or phenethylamine hallucinogen. There is an absence of the "three bardos" for example, as described in length by Alpert, Metzner, and Leary in the "Psychedelic Experience." It lasts anywhere from a few hours to 6 or more depending on how much one takes---that is another problem, there is no "dose" for these. One guy may eat a big cap and feel nothing, whereas another may eat the same and be violently ill for twelve hours.

Very unpleasant, and I would not recommend it.


take care and be careful
peace out

Oxy

[nick]

I think we picked ours fresh.You gotta be careful because there's a shroom called death cap or angel,which is very similar and as the name implies can be kinda terminal.

Sorry I can't be more accurate,but this was decades ago and I've worked hard at destroying my memory.

Where am I?

[sp33dballin]

when i said recommended dose.. i should have said 'what erowid said' :}
i totally forgot about the time dialation aspect to it too, its been about 2 years since the time we did them...
...i wish i could forget the taste. and if youre gonna do them, please be safe.. its so very true that its simple to confuse one type of mushroom with another... for pretty much every mushroom you can eat, they have a deadly twin. very dangerous stuff ineed to just go mushroom picking with just even GOOD knowledge of what youre looking for. even experts get confused sometimes.. and i dont think any of us fall into that catagory... so if youre determined to try them, they are easy to find over the net, and at least youd be safe that way. get back to us and let us know how things went. lates.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

[nick]

when i said recommended dose.. i should have said 'what erowid said' :}

Oh man!!

If Erowid told you to do something extremely dumb....like never take dope again-would you do it?

[sp33dballin]

nick.. i didn't do it because erowid told me to.. but their dose-guidelines are pretty spot-on for most things.. i find erowid to be a very handy resource.

[Chemical_Boy]

If Erowid told me to jump off a bridge, I wouldn't.

If it was the Lycaeum that said it, well, that is a different story. . .

[nick]

nick.. i didn't do it because erowid told me to.. but their dose-guidelines are pretty spot-on for most things.. i find erowid to be a very handy resource.

I've never bothered with the dose guides man,but I know someone who has several long pieces on Erowid and I trust him as far as i can spit and I don't spit far.

[jacky]

some of my earliest shroom trips were with low doses of this mush.

now, I prefer a highly potent smoking extract of the active alkaloids of amanita..smoking the alkaloids lends to a different experience, shorter, and more pleasurable.
I have a hunch that low doses of the alkaloids are somewhat tonic in effect, and it is possible that there is some complimentary effects when mixed with opiates.
when I smoke the blend....I have intense dreams that night, usually everytime. in this way perhaps amanita is a more potent oneirogen (dream stimulating) for me than entheogen.

some old timers take the stuff in small amounts (sometimes large!) for years at a time, as a daily tonic.

all in all I would say its an amazing mushroom, and were lucky its still legal.
the approach a person needs to take with them in my opinion is use them in small amounts, if you dont feel much, you may still experience a stimulating lift, or better yet, tonic effect.
smoking the alkaloid has its merits, and actually, the smoking of amanita extract isnt a european/western invention, it has been used medicinally this way for psychiactric therapy in the middle east, apparently located to just one valley area for at least a few centuries.

I have experienced some dysphoria at higher doses, and those were the coveted(by some) a.pantherina variety....mostly uncontrollable jerking at times, and slight dissasociation that would have been more enjoyable perhaps if it would have been stronger.
I have had more meaningful psychoactive content on lower doses.

[shopnpop]

fuck amanitas.... all they did was make me feel naseauated and shit and little stoned...

[Hammilton]

A friend is synthesizing a few grams of Gaboxadol (THIP) for me, which I'm going to give a go with. Since I don't sleep anymore, it makes go sense.

has anyone given pure muscimol or thiomuscimil a go?

[underide]

Amanita Muscaria - aka - Fly Agaric Mushroom

They are still sold in all of our headshops for 30 euro per vial of grounded "siberian magic" and also in packs for 40 euro for whole 2 dried mushrooms

now you're only supposed to take a limited anount of it for it to have a proper/moderate - to strong effect
I'm talking not more than about 1/4 of the whole dried mushrooms

But at the time me and my friend did the, we shared a pack (2 whole mushrooms per pack, and it was 35 euro per pack back then), but not really knwowing any better we just made tea with both whole mushrooms in it (that was before the ground vials of "Siberian Magic" were available, where the mushrooms are already ground up for you)

So we used a sharp knife to cut the mustrooms into smallish pieces, and then used a coffee grinder to grind the two whole mushrooms into powder

then we just used the same method that you would use when preparing Psylocibin mushies - i.e the same way making tea

So we made the tea and and split for two cups equally
It took a while to come up but time distortion appeared to take effect pretty quick, so i'm not sure exactly how long it took for them to FULLY kick in

What i can tell you though, that both me and me mate had a bad trip simultaneously
and it sems like it was takling eternity to come down from them

My friend later tld me he thought that we were in some mental institution while i remember going completely nuts, but trying to kep my eyes closed at al times and there was a lot of blood-related imagery visuals in my trip

Overall it was rather nasty - i don't think the Fly Agaric (amanita muscaria) has quite the same effect as the psylocibin, where when you take your regular psylo mushrooms you can actually experience Euphoria (at least to some extent) and i rearely had a bad trip on psylocibin mushies - probably no more than once or twice out of dozenz of times tripppiong on them every season

My advise - Use Amanita Muscaria SPARINGLY
Or you could end up having a pretty bad trip in no time

I wouldn't do them again (Amanitas)
Psylocibin on the other hand - i will, most definitely

[Pollen]

A friend and I split an ounce of amanitas some time last year. We made a tea from the few big caps we got and then downed the foul stuff. The few effects we did notice were an increased desire to talk to strangers, a desire to move around, and slight drunk-like dissociative effects. Not exciting at all.

[Dan K]

w the A. Mucsaria, Muscumole converts to Ibotenic acid in your kidneys (thats why some cultures drink the urine)..... long story short, its not worth your time. grow some Copelondia cyanescens or Panaeoulus Cyanescens if you really want to have a great trip.

All in all, the stress A. Muscaria puts on your filter organs for what turns out to be a realtively disapointing trip, is just not worth it.


Dan K

[Papa Verine]

I never tried them. I heard enough reports I didn't like and actually listened to people for once. I wish I would've done the same with Datura Stramonium...

[Seedy]

^^ thank god, the stories I've heard from good friends about datura trips were enough to put me off, like a day or 2 of true hallucinations. I've got nothing against hallucinations when I know It's happening but 2 days of psychoses, fuck that!

[jcmanny]

I think we picked ours fresh.You gotta be careful because there's a shroom called death cap or angel,which is very similar and as the name implies can be kinda terminal.

Sorry I can't be more accurate,but this was decades ago and I've worked hard at destroying my memory.

Where am I?

Back in highschool my older brother found some amanitas growing wild. I thought he was insane (he later proved that correct) for eating them due to the deadly look alike. He said the same as OPs, he got high but it sucked.

[imalgen]

Someone posted a thread curious about San Pedro so i'm posting one curious about Amanita Muscaria.Anyone tried it and have any feed back?Its the only psychadelic i havnt tried other than peyote.feedback would be appreciated.Thanks

Despite the negative reviews here - Its quite nice when consumed in the proper set/setting.

It makes a GREAT addition to homemade wines.
The cap skins make a wonderful smoke(and an even more wonderful addition to personal smoke blends).

A nice Fly Agaric voyage is like a giant warm dissociating hug from the left.

Check out some of the posts on eDot/Corr/SPF for a better understanding of the mysterious mushroom.

Amanita muscaria is an excellent addition to any and every stash box - well worth a try!

[existential_apathy]

I did some amanitas around a year ago. I forgot what my dosage was but I made a tea out of them. Heat the mushrooms in some water at 190 degrees fahrenheit for about a half hour to change the muscarine and ibotenic acid into muscimol. If the temperature is any higher then you risk destroying some of the muscimol. Now drink the tea and eat the mushrooms. Some people complain about the taste but I personally find amanita mushrooms to be quite tasty. If you really want to you can also drink your urine after ingesting the mushrooms to prolong the trip, since some of the active chemical is excreted unchanged. I believe that this works about 3 times.

BE VERY CAREFUL WITH DOSAGE. Amanitas are a fairly DANGEROUS drug and are able to KILL YOU. I did too much once and had horrible twitches all over and was worried about my heart rate. It is for this reason that I stick to safer hallucinogens and have refrained from taking amanitas again. I never want to risk fate with a potential overdose again.

The effects are very unlike psilocybin and other hallucinogens. The psychedelic effects were actually less than what I expected and were somewhat dissociative. They often made me very confused. The mushrooms did however give me a very strong euphoria which surpassed even many of my opiate doses. Effects seem to vary greatly from person to person.