Canadian Ibogane Treatment

[trainwrecker]

I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with Ibogane treatment in Canada. I heard from a less than reliable source that a couple American kids went to Vancouver. Claimed to be Canuck residents, but transients and without any identification. Supposedly they were able to get free treatment under the national health care. Anyone have any idea how likely such a story is to be true?

[NastyZilla]

Everything I've read about ibogaine (I have NOT tried it) sounds likes its completely bogus - bigtime scam stuff.

Personally, I would try suboxone/buprenophine (which I have used, and which is a miracle drug, IMO) or kratom/kratom extracts, which also work well in sufficient doses depending upon your habit.

Just my two cents, and again, I haven't tried ibogaine.

[nick]

Ibo is a last resort,but if it's done properly it CAN work.


www.freedomroot.com (http://www.freedomroot.com)


I know some of these guys and if you're gonna try it....check them out.


Much luck.

[jacky]

for a USA citizen to go to canada, and attempt to get ibogaine treatment within a few months of arrival, for free, sounds a little far fetched, especially if it is being payed for by a social medicine program.
and that person is going to have to support themselves somehow, and stay I presume, doped up until they can go through treatment.

so maybe a person with alot of money, and no job, and entry into canada in the 1st place, might rent a room, get an under the table job for a few weeks, somehow prove themselves an immigrant or legal citizen, and buy otc codeine every day to stay doped up....and then get the treatment.

or,
a vagabond gutter punk my sneak into canada backpacking, squat with local punks for free....spange for OTC codeine and/or shoot street smack, and somehow convince the treatment center that they are legit.

or perhaps a person with freinds up in canada might be able to pull this off.

but from what I understand, the people that run the ibogaine clinic up ther are trained in this type of stuff, and are pretty much street level individuals that arent niave to the current drug scene.
I emailed them once trying to obtain information, and I was a little aggressive, and perhaps came off a bit skeptical of how much safer it is to take ibogaine for a person with freinds and hospital access, compared to a clinic. most clinics in a major emergency are just gonna call 911 onethemselves (you would HOPE).
they never replied with any supportive info about squat.


I think a better option, is just to buck up, pay for the ibogaine yourself, mail it to a hotel that you book in advance, or postal box if you are camping, and then work out your options from there.
take a few small introductory doses...
and maybe experiment with lower doses to research if there is a medicinal value in using smaller amounts of ibogaine to ween down with.

it just depends on what type of person you are, with ibogaine you are going to have to have some sort of support group around you if you are taking heavy doses.
but I am not convinced that a clinic can make you any safer than observant sitters might, if the end result in an emergency is that the person might be taken to the ER anyway, I dont see alot of difference.
the type of person that I am, I would opt for a trip to Oaxaca, buy the ibogaine for 700-900$, stay on the property of the person that sells the stuff, and play around with my options.
and hope that the local ER might have some success if you go into cardiac arrest, or whatever the common cause of death if from taking ibogaine.

I dont even actually know what the common cause is? perhaps there really havnt been enough deaths to study that event?

ibogaine treatment can be expensive as hell, and the prices that the inpatient clinics charge? there is no way that I could pay that much money to treat a self indulgent affliction!. I know a millionaire that has pretty much tried everything, ibogaine treatment included, and he is still the same junky that he was, except alot older.
nope, not me, not with an experimental material such as this would I let someone decide my dosage, I would want full leisure with the material, at least a week off to play with the dosing amounts, and if I hadnt worked out a large dose by day 5 I would abort taking a large dose.

this stuff is a seriously expensive commodity, I would prefer a good full spectrum alkaloidal extract of the iboga root, or just rootbark powder as opposed to pure ibogaine, the synergy of the iboga root I think could be important, and at this early point in humans research with the plant there really is no defining work that I know of that compares differences in the effects of the isolated compound ibogaine, and the effects of the natural product as a whole.

if someone pulled off a detox with ibogaine, for free, in canada, being a USA citizen, at a clinic, they would have to be some smooth talking shit.

[trainwrecker]

Thanks everyone, especially Jacky. I actually heard this story while standing in line one morning at the methadone clinic, so yeah... that about says it all...

[Sitar]

Most of the stuff I've seen about Ibogaine leads me to believe that, while an unpleasant experience usually, it does work, however not for everyone. But the rate of success for it does seem substantial.

Seems like if you can handle an intense and somewhat unpleasant trip, then this might be the way to go if you've tried the conventional methods and failed.

[jacky]

well, its OK to dream.

[NastyZilla]

Question: Does Ibogaine get rid of withdrawals or does its simply make you hallucinate/trip such that you don't notice the withdrawals?

If the answer is the later (you are so tripped out you don't notice you've got cramps, hot/cold, RLS, etc.) then it sounds damn dangerous... since w/d can kill you, unless the ibogaine actually gets rid of the w/d symptoms, I'd say "no, thank you" to it.

Has anyone on the board tried it or know the answer to whether ibogaine actually STOPS w/d, not just masks it?

[Sitar]

No, supposedly it actually eliminates the withdrawal altogether. It's like the entire withdrawal process is just skipped over, and actually leaves the person with no cravings at all for extended periods of time.

Check out some videos about Ibogaine on Google Video. They're pretty impressive.

[EleusisII]

I doubt that the Canadian health system covers something as dubious as ibogaine (Come on, it's hallucinogenic) Hell, they're real bitches even when it comes to methadone. (HAS to be taken at a pharmacy, etc.)

And that NAOMI-heroin experiment in Vancouver? They've been trying to shut it down for years. Canada isn't as progressive as you might think.

[jacky]

from the experiences that I have read of others, the support that ibogaine can afford a person, willing to take the larger treatment doses, it seems the outcome is rather variable.

some people dont get much withdrawl support, they still have withdrawl,and the ibogaine does little for them and they are using within a few days...

some people feel reduced withdrawl, but still have some issues with side effects, and get some sort of mental relief from the psychoactive properties...

and some people have the full blown abolishment of withdrawl, they are energized for weeks, and the mystic edge of the plant seems to do wonders.

I would like to see some sort of religious belief data regarding the patients of this therapy, perhaps that explains some peoples complaint that the ibogaine experience was far less mystical than they expected.

some people go back within months for updated treatment. if the ibogaine persisting metabolite hypothesis/theory is correct, then simply having the metabolites in small amounts in the body weeks after the initial experience could keep people going on a maintained support.

one contactee told me that the experience was akin to DXM experiences he had, and afforded some help with withdrawl, but nothing legendary.

I know a guy that had the experience of withdrawl just going away without any drug support, he was a heavy homeless, drug dealing at times addict, heroin and cocaine to be exact.
he experienced relief from withdrawl, it was a mystical experience for him.
he had some initial experience with Judiasm as a child, and that was the content of the mystical experience that lifted withdrawl,
so after he was clean, he converted, and now refers to himself as a Jew.
interesting to say the least, seeing as this guy I felt was near death, and for years now he is healthy and happy with a large family, and CLEAN still.

I am fascinated with this drug, but living in the states is a problem, the only options are getting out of the country for me.

[nick]

I'm also fascinated with Ibo and was going to try it,before my relapse became a kinda downward spiral.

I know folks who do Ibo treatment in the U.S. and I kinda trust them.If you want to know more pm me and I'll try and hook you up.

[underide]

I Hell, they're real bitches even when it comes to methadone. (HAS to be taken at a pharmacy, etc.)


I would much prefer to be taking methadone at a pharmacy. But that's just me, and once a week to the clinic for me right now is not all that bad i guess, a lot of people have it much worse.

I don't even know what to think about the ibogaine treatments. I have read too many conflicting views on the subject. While for some it's THE savior, for others it's just a failed experiment (and a very expensive one at that). I find it fascinating that it does work for some, and all the power to them.

[irish]

The absolute last thing I would want during w/d would be to be tripping. W/d fucks with my head enough thank you. The best you can hope for is some slight behavior modification. Lsd and mdma have both been used for this purpose and the results are soso at best. You will still have to go through the physical withrawal. Do you really want to be shitting and puking while high on a halucinagen?:(