FALSE POSITIVES

[ILLWILLMD]

As you may or may not know, I am on methadone maintenance. I have a problem and maybe someone can shed some light on the situation. I have repeatedly come up positive for cocaine. The lab says results were double-checked. The test in question is a mouth swab. (You rub tong cheek and then place between bottom gums and cheek for 3-5 minuets.) These are my results: 1. Cocaine and benzo. 2. Cocaine. 3. Cocaine. Then a month goes by and 1. Cocaine. And now that I think about it, when I was applying to the clinic. I had 2 false positives that I just chalked up to contaminated dope or spoon etc. now I definitely have not knowingly done any coke, or benzos in the time frame of the tests. And the times I did (few and far between, two times.), I passed the test by putting a capsule filled with water in my mouth, and squishing it onto the stick. So fellow opiophiles, does anyone have the slightest idea what could be going on? The only thing I could possibly think of is that I use eugenol oil and zinc oxide powder mix, to fill a hole in my tooth. And suggestions would be helpful. This is serious; I could loose the only source of stability in my life. And being rapidly detoxed (30 days), from 180mg is a serious fucking ride. Thanks ILLWILL

[OxyContinuously]

the only thing i can think of for the false cocaine is possibly another -caine type medicine. Like did or do you have a toothache and use Anbesol, or Orajel or anything like that either on the day of, or the day before your test?? Cause benzocaine can sometimes show positive for cocaine on a swab test.

My recommendation would be to ask them to take a urinalysis---> it'll be just as reliable as the mouth swab test and plus, coke stays in your urine for about 72 hours, maximum. As long as you really didn't do any coke, you'll be fine, and they'll feel stupid.



good luck
later

Oxy

[ILLWILLMD]

No. I gave been using the eugenol and clove oil specifically for that reason. I have been contemplating lowering my dose and getting off the program in lieu of getting kicked off unexpectedly, so as to at least have some kind of alternate plan. I don’t want to get a few weeks down the road and find out suddenly one day that I am starting a titration for something that I didn’t do and didn’t anticipate! A switch of this magnitude is something better off preplanned as opposed to a surprise!


As far as the U/A is concerned. I can’t piss in front of a weird ass counselor. And I have already told them this. That’s why I have the swabs. So they would be pissed (no pun intended) about that. I told them that they could and should take blood though. But the thing is I don’t come up dirty every time and it takes a week for them to get the results back. I doubt they will do both blood and swab together, which I will suggest. Also I don’t know if I in fact do have some condition that makes me test positive sometimes. I doubt it but the clinic would rather see me out of there then admit the lab is capable of this many mistakes for they would have to second guess every ones tests. And they cant have that now can they. I have even been thinking that some preppy vindictive asshole that I used to mess with back in the day works at the lab, and is sabotaging my sanctity. And I will KILL said person if I find this to be true!! Anyway. I am stumped!!

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

when I was in the Suboxone clinic I submitted a urine test and a patient in the waiting room asked to use the nbathroom after I came out.The test came back as 20,000 (something or other) which said I was using a tremendous amount of subs.I hadn't used any at all.
All I can say is that now the pee cups are handed out 1 by 1 with the persons name on it and what they are being tested for.Also now the person takes the sample and tests it to make sure it is body temperature 98.9 or whatever and if it is a different temp like 70 degrees or so then they know you altered the urine.
Things are working much smoother now.

[ILLWILLMD]

Well, this is the latest chapter. The clinic don’t care. Period. They keep telling me to stop, or tell the truth, or next time I am OUT. I am so fucked. I do have liver disease, which can cause false positives, along with kidney problems which can do the same. They won’t even look at the info I have found. They wont take blood with the swabs. They told me I could go get blood tested on my own. But when I asked if that would satisfy them, they said no. So I don’t know why they said that? To prove to my self that I didn’t do any? What the fuck. So now I am gunna stock up on my take homes, and build up a crazy supply of opioid material for that magic day. Even my family is pooling money together for this. Because I would have to do some fucked up shit to keep up with the habit that the clinic is gunna leave me with! I am scared shitless. I have had a tension headache for the last three days. These people are willing to fuck up my life in order to cover up for their shitty cheap ass lab, so they can save money not using a good lab. Also I forgot to mention that before I got on, they lost no less than four of my urines! Four. WTF. WTF.

So now i'm doing the only logical thing and going on a voluntary detox of –5mg/week. That way I am at a little lower of a dose when I get kicked off or decide to leave. The other thing is if I am dishonorably discharged. Medicaid will not pick up the tab on a buperenorphine program for at least a year. This is going to be some fucked up shit to come. ILLWILLMD

[Chemical_Boy]

Damn..I don't really have any advice for you- it is a jacked up situation.

I think stocking up and doing the quick 5mg voluntary taper is a good idea because I think you are right about not having any options really..

Good luck and I hope things work out for you.

[tui]

when I was in the Suboxone clinic I submitted a urine test and a patient in the waiting room asked to use the nbathroom after I came out.The test came back as 20,000 (something or other) which said I was using a tremendous amount of subs.I hadn't used any at all.
All I can say is that now the pee cups are handed out 1 by 1 with the persons name on it and what they are being tested for.Also now the person takes the sample and tests it to make sure it is body temperature 98.9 or whatever and if it is a different temp like 70 degrees or so then they know you altered the urine.
Things are working much smoother now.


i've helped someone scam a pee test before. it was actually very easy. i was drug-free, so he took my pee in a metal hipflask against his belly- tucked in his belt, under his shirt to warm it.

he passed with flying colours ;)

t

[mrnatural]

Everytime I gave a urine sample at the methadone clinic (weekly), I tested positive for cocaine. Turns out it was the otc Actifed antihistamine I was doing daily. Course now all cold medicines have changed and don't have pseudoephedrine, so don't know if they would still cause a false positive.

[roxi*stardust]

the only thing i can think of for the false cocaine is possibly another -caine type medicine. Like did or do you have a toothache and use Anbesol, or Orajel or anything like that either on the day of, or the day before your test?? Cause benzocaine can sometimes show positive for cocaine on a swab test.

My recommendation would be to ask them to take a urinalysis---> it'll be just as reliable as the mouth swab test and plus, coke stays in your urine for about 72 hours, maximum. As long as you really didn't do any coke, you'll be fine, and they'll feel stupid.



good luck
later

Oxy
None of the other -caines will false positve you for Cocaine. There is one drug that will, Amoxicillin. Have you been taking anti-biotics? Are you doing any dope (H) that could be cut with coke?

[euphoria2002]

i've helped someone scam a pee test before. it was actually very easy. i was drug-free, so he took my pee in a metal hipflask against his belly- tucked in his belt, under his shirt to warm it.


Tui, I don't know why.... but somehow, in a strange kind of way, that turned me on.
Weird, I didn't know I was like that until just now :D

[bindegal]

Drug testing is unfair, flawed and fucking degrading. I really wish I had some advice for you.
Let it be a lesson for all how is tested to rise hell every time you get a false positive.

[Brony]

Everytime I gave a urine sample at the methadone clinic (weekly), I tested positive for cocaine. Turns out it was the otc Actifed antihistamine I was doing daily. Course now all cold medicines have changed and don't have pseudoephedrine, so don't know if they would still cause a false positive.

Actually, most cold meds still contain pseudoephedrine.

Many states now have laws requiring that products containing pseudoephedrine be purchased from the pharmacy counter.

[ILLWILLMD]

no roxi, i am not taking anything other than. flexeril 10mg qid, ibuprofen 800 - 1000mg tid, and melatonin 6mg, and 5htp 200mg at night sometimes. and i add carispodal 700mg, but i take all that stuff regularly and at the same relative doses all the time. and i havn't done any dope. just a weekend of oxy's which i didnt test positive for because of the water pill (literaly). if i know im dirty, i can do the water pill thing, but i cant do that shit every day. and im afraid that if they do test me via blood, urin, whatever. that i may still come up positive. because something is making me come up dirty. i just dont know what. maybe it is something wrong with me. i dint know

[NastyZilla]

Since your family is pooling money, I would pull out all the plugs and consider doing the following:

I would have an independent lab do a blood and/or urine test on you the morning before or afternoon after you have your next swab test done. The goal is to be able to prove you're not testing positive for cocaine. (I would have recommended this before now, so that you would have a history of clean results).

If necessary, you will need to threaten to bring suit or a complaint against the clinic for faulty testing. You should be able to prove the faulty testing by presenting your blood and/or urine results from the independent lab.

I would describe the problem to the independent lab that you use for the blood/urine tests so that they are prepared to sign an affidavit attesting to the fact that (1) the test results were (hopefully) clean, and (2) you were the one submitting blood and/or urine (be sure to show them your driver's license/photo id to prove who you are). Make note of the individuals' names who draw your blood and collect your urine at the independent lab, in case they need to testify in court or pursuant to any complaint you bring against the clinic.

Also, I might consider speaking to an independent physician about why this might be happening. Is there any chance you're doing some street drug that's being cut with cocaine without your knowledge? (I mean no offense, just grasing at straws). Are you (again, grasping at straws here) a hemophiliac getting blood transfusions? Yeah, I'm getting pretty far out there... I'll stop now.

[Tmac5150]

This link is to a page w/about ANYTHING you might wanna know about drug tests. It's a long page, but it has very in depth info on many types of tests & metabolizing rates or whatever of dif. drugs...

http://cocaine.org/drugtestfaq/index.html

Above link has a lot of very good info...

[candy]

For anyone else using 5-HTP and is being tested on a regular basis, this can cause false positives in your test for cocaine.

Cocaine affects serotonin levels in the brain affecting it's synthesis from tryptophan.

5- HTP or 5- Hydroxytrytophan is an amino acid that is converted into serotonin and this may be causing in a false positive for cocaine.

Just a thought!

[ILLWILLMD]

Thanks for the help people, but things just snowballed out of hand. I have now stopped going to the clinic. As of this morn. I haven’t gotten dosed, I figured a taper would be silly and agonizing so I decided to just stop with the done, and dive into a large amount of OC. I have more than enough to keep me cool for a few weeks till the scripts are refilled, and some people are gunna purchase some pods, 700 to be exact, so I will finally be able to enjoy a cup 'o' tea. But further more let this be a lesson to anyone, not to under estimate life’s ability to bitch smack you from an angle that you had previously not known existed. The sick part of this was that I was doing pretty well. I haven’t been craving lately, and my attitude changed a lot for the better over the past 8 months. Everybody agrees that I have been back to my old self again which they have been happy about. Shit I have been happy about. I am still looking for a bupe doctor close to me, and I am not giving up at my attempt for an enjoyable, and fulfilling life. And though I am not happy this happened this way, I am still a weeeeeeeee bit happy about getting to use a full agonist again. I can’t lie, I do. But shit, I haven’t gotten high in 8 months, so after all the headaches and problems and trouble getting my life together. I guess this is my little bit of vengeance. Shit id better get something out of all this bullshit I have been dealing with. This fun im gunna have isn’t gunna last forever. But id might as well enjoy it while I can.

[Woowoo]

There was another thread here about "speedy cuts" in heroin, and what they might possibly be. One theory proposed is that a dope dealer might toss a tiny tiny amount of cocaine into his batch to give the dope a little extra kick with the rush and an uncanny addictive quality to it. Obviously this isn't standard operating procedure, but it makes a little bit of sense.

Multiple false-negatives is just weird. I can't blame them for not believing you. I mean, would you believe you?

Anyhow, once they get you hooked on the 'done it's real hard to quit, as I'm sure you have become painfully aware. I wish you the best of luck to get out of this situation, one way or the other.

[ILLWILLMD]

Ok people. This is now day 7. And up until now the 200-300mg OC shots I have been doing 3-4 times a day has been pretty much helping to relive most of the wd symptoms. Today was a bit rough. But my stomach is fine, just hot flashes and sweating. But all in all, I feel pretty good for the fact that I was at 180mg of done and I just ceased done treatment. The last dose was on Thursday at bout 8:00 am. And it is now Thursday at about 1:30 am. I can still eat, which surprised the hell out of me, and when I take a 1mg Xanax. I can sleep for at least 6 hours, which is better than I expected. But then again, I have been going through a copious amount of OC, er and ir. Had 50 x 40 brand OC, and 100 roxi 30s. Now down to about 14 OCs, and 58 roxi. I haven’t gotten half a high of any of these shots, but then again I didn’t think I was gunna. Well I had held out a bit of hope that I would. But I am not mad that I didn’t. Shit could have been a lot worse. Every time I do another shot, instead of high I feel like crap. But not as bad as if I didn’t do a shot! So anyway, I just wanted to let you people know that I am alive and bitchin.