Tramadol

[oxydose]

took this shit only a few times before, before I was big into the opis.

A friend gave me 20 of the 50mg Ultrams and I was wondering if there much good for fighting off w/d's, or possibly more potentiating. prolly will end up just using them to keep from w/d's though.

I've read about the 200mg/sezuire thing already btw.

[Moonrock]

trams are gr8 with chicken legs and restlessness, but dont exceed a 125mg dose to stay on the safe side
good luck
and painless withdrawal

[Synack]

oh shit, the limit is as low as 200mg? I was taking 500mg+ . then again, nothing seems to take this damn nerve pain away! ...argh.

[evilfix]

word guys. trams are dangerous. i had gran mal at 1350mg. 27 in 1 day.

[flipside]

oh shit, the limit is as low as 200mg? I was taking 500mg+ . then again, nothing seems to take this damn nerve pain away! ...argh.


No tram will do nothing for nerve pain. I assume you've tried neruontin and the like..these are more helpful with nerve pain...if you're lucky enough to be one of those that gets relief from anything.

To the OP, save them for when you are in WD. Some people swear by them, others hate them. think they are worthless for anyting but WD..obviously I'm in the later group.

[oxydose]

only thing I remember about them is that I actually did achieve a nod from a relative high dose (like 300mg I think), but that it felt like a real pseudo type opiate feeling, not warm and comfy, if anyone knows what I mean.

Yeah I think I'll keep them along with my Methadone for w/d's. At least this month I'm prepared for them!

[melancholy]

i don't think the limit is as low as 200mg..i used to take 250mg regularly when i didn't have a tolerance and i never had seizures or any problems. i used to nod real hard and i didn't know how to describe the effects to my friends when i told them about it. i said it was like being asleep but awake, too - like you were lucid dreaming. i would take them before road trips and just sit in the car with my headphones on, nodding out to my favorite music. aww, i miss having an extremely low tolerance :(

[the_florist]

the daily recommended max is 400mg.

but SWIM has has doses of up to 200mg at one time with no ill effects.

it does have a 'weird' feeling to it. and it does work great for w/d's. let me put it this way, it's better than nothing. :rolleyes:

[HeidiW]

Avoid those motherfuckers at all costs.
I'd rather do nothing than fuck with tramadol.

[oxydose]

Avoid those motherfuckers at all costs.
I'd rather do nothing than fuck with tramadol.

Oh yeah? Care to share your experience?

thanks everyone for the feedback, I'll keep them around for w/d's but I remember not liking the buzz to much at all, too pseudo feeling.

[insaneike]

ramadol doesn't help WDs for SHIT in my case...
and I don't have no huge toler or nothing like most here do.

Like 90mg of Roxi 30s with a 'done 10 FUCKS ME UP, and trams wony do SHIT for WDs or nothing... but then again a Roxi 30 won't bearely help my WD either...
and the last time I tried using trams as a potentator some months ago it actually made my opiatedness CRAPPIER! but I think it's cause the methadone, as trams with 'done can bring on a come on of WDs. I dunno about full blown WD but it does indeed bring the come on of WD on in the avg. person. SO FUCK TRAMADOL/ULTRAM! Completely useless if you're very dependant on opis.

Now if you're taking under 60mg of say Oxy or under 120-150mg of morphine a day the stuff might give some releif from WD...

but to some people it could help pretty well... remember everyone is different. Like I know someone who had a seizure from just like 150-350mg! and I've taken like 450-550mg once in a day(like 350mg doses i believe).. So if you're asking me, I have all my old scripts of ulTrams in the medicine drawer of my fridge in hopes that one day one my buds will finally get the damn things lol.

[oc80tn]

The limit on Ultram is about 400 milligrams a day, if you want to play it on the safe side. Unfortunately for most people with any tolerance to real opioids, however, 400 milligrams is not going to help out too much. You'll be lucky if it gives you any relief from "the flu".
I remember the first time I took Ultram. My former mother-in-law used to work at a doctor's office and she would get box loads of samples. I had a pretty bad headache and she gave me two of them. It was my graduation day and that 100 milligrams had me flying the rest of the day. From that point on, I loved the shit. At one point, she would give me boxes of Ultram and I was hooked.
This was 1998 and I took it whenever I could get my hands on it. I knew about the seizure potential, but other than constipation and the occasional vomiting and dysphoria I got if I took it on a empty stomach at doses over 200 milligrams, I loved Ultram.
What I found funny about Ultram is that I could avoid puking if I started off with about 100mgs (two 50mg tablets) and repeated that every 45 minutes or so, I could prevent the nausea and other bad side effects, most of the time.
That is until May 6, 2003, when it all came crashing down. I was working and I had taken 5 ot 6 Ultrams that morning. but I went against my own advice and did them all at once, plus about 3 more later. My dose that morning had been around 500milligrams, plus a few before bedtime. This turned out to be a mistake. About noon that day, I blacked out and had what appeared to be a seizure. What's worse is that when I blacked out, I was standing up and fell flat on my back...and apparently VERY HARD! I broke my back in six diifferent places t5-t11 (t9 was 50% compressed). I also fractured my humerus bone (upper arm-shoulder blade). A major surgery and four years of pain management later, Ultram has been a nightmare.
I don't pretend to know what's best for others. I am a libertarian and think people should be allowed to make their own choices, right or wrong, so as long as they don't hurt others. All I am saying is to be REALLY careful with tramadol. Use it with caution. You don't get sny warning. One minute you're fine, the next you wake up in the back of an ambulance, en route to the nearest hospitsl. Perhaps I will post some time about my experience in the ER during this incident and how it probably left me with chronic pain some time. Wait, maybe I alreay have.

Oh well....
Peace!!!

[HeidiW]

Oh yeah? Care to share your experience?

thanks everyone for the feedback, I'll keep them around for w/d's but I remember not liking the buzz to much at all, too pseudo feeling.

Well, I only took them once. I was on about th 5th or 6th day of serious methadone withdrawal.
I think I'd taken 4 of them. Later on that evening, I started having very bad chest pains. To make a long story short, I was in cardiac arrest, (I think they called it a-fibrillation?)and ended up in the hospital for 4 days.

I don't know if the cardiac shit was brought on by the Ultram or the fact I was in withdrawal or something else. What I do know is I'll never fuck with the shit again.

[gnat]

No tram will do nothing for nerve pain. I assume you've tried neruontin and the like..these are more helpful with nerve pain...if you're lucky enough to be one of those that gets relief from anything.

To the OP, save them for when you are in WD. Some people swear by them, others hate them. think they are worthless for anyting but WD..obviously I'm in the later group.

word, neurontin and lyrica are godsends for body ache and nerve pain of withdrawals.

[nick]

Just be very careful if you're also taking SSRI'S.

Oh and tramadol is embryo toxic.

It's not a bad pain killer and it's better than nothing for wds.

I'd rather have codeine..........actually,I'd rather have H.

[jspilt]

I've been taking the 300mg ERs for almost a month now, they do nothing for me, maybe help keep my mind off when I don't have anything good, but don't even really find them to potenate either :( Hopefully my PD will move me to something decent, at least something that works better than ibuprophen, which Utram doesn't.

[El Dave]

I guess for the scientific types who are compiling info I'll put in my two cents about Tramadol: It takes 400 mg, but it seems to lift the god damned (lo siento) pain from my arm. Psychologically it also seems to lessen the impact of certain things going on, takes them out of the hurting category into more like just disappointing. I'm not sure I'd call it a high, but it's approximately four thousand times better than straight or sober or whatever you want to call it. Possible factors are that I still do the proglumide thing eight days on, eight days off even though I've nothing available to build a tolerace for (iow opis) and also haven't been eating anything for a few days. For anyone collecting data, there's some.

[sidman]

I like Trams because if you have a low tolerance,you can enjoy a relatively long,even buzz on them,at a low dose(200-300 mg's)
Plus they don't show up on a Standard Drug Urinalysis,hence a safe way to get a buzz without worrying about parole/probation/Drug counselor's.

[Curio]

thanks for reminding me I don't have to completely die over this weekend...forgot I have a tramadol rx that is just today ready to refill

FYI: there was a lot of back and forth debate over the safe amount to take, so I thought I'd give you some definite info off epocrates.com:

Tramadol
adult dosing:

pain, moderate-mod. severe
[50-100 mg PO q4-6h prn]
Alt: start 25 mg PO qam, then incr. 25 mg/day q3 days to 25 mg qid, then incr. 50 mg/day q3 days to 50 mg qid, then maintenance; Max: 400 mg/day; 300 mg/day if >75 yo

renal dosing
[adjust dose frequency]
CrCl <30: give q12h, max 200 mg/day; HD: no supplement

hepatic dosing
[adjust dose amount, frequency]
cirrhosis: 50mg q12h, max 100mg/day

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Tramadol is a GODSEND for me. I take 15 10mg Norco's a day along with any other opiate I can get (which doesn't happen often). I sometimes get 12 or so Methadone 40mg wafers every month and a half as I did this month. Tramadol helped me so much and am so thankful for it. I was scared at first because I've heard of all the talk about mixing Ultram and Done=W/ding's brought on. But I guess since I wasn't taking done daily and have no tolerance to them except 12 wafers through 12 days it didn't have any negative effect, only positive. Also, I SWEAR by Clonodine, especially for sleep and rls.

[slugbone]

thanks for reminding me I don't have to completely die over this weekend...forgot I have a tramadol rx that is just today ready to refill

pain, moderate-mod. severe
[50-100 mg PO q4-6h prn]
Alt: start 25 mg PO qam, then incr. 25 mg/day q3 days to 25 mg qid, then incr. 50 mg/day q3 days to 50 mg qid, then maintenance; Max: 400 mg/day; 300 mg/day if >75 yo

renal dosing
[adjust dose frequency]
CrCl <30: give q12h, max 200 mg/day; HD: no supplement

hepatic dosing
[adjust dose amount, frequency]
cirrhosis: 50mg q12h, max 100mg/day


good info coma, esp the cirrhosis part. many folks have had alcohol probs with fatty liver and elevated enzymes so being aware of that while dosing is important.

i think that the placebo effect and your attitude has somthing to do with it. if you don't think they will help and believe they are shit, then of course it aint gonna help. the mind is a powerful tool you know? don't underestimate the strength of positive focus

[DarthPerineum]

i got lucky today and one of my dealers was super high and gave me about 8 50mg Trams. Gonna make them my "emergency" stash.

[Rhonda]

Does that tramadol even work for any of you guys? One of my friends gave me 4 of thm one time at a party and they didnt do anything. And Im so weak I could get really high from 2 or 3 percocets. Well its more like 3 or 4 now but still.:)

[ProdigalSon]

Trams aint even good for a headache but if your kicking, thank you Jesus

[limitless_euphoria]

I've found it to be a pseudo-compramise. It knocks my pain scale down a couple notches. It also works on my w/d's. I'm already on 1500 mg of depakote for my bipolar disorder as well as valium (and since those are both anticonvulsants I almost wonder if I could get away with more). But I take between 150-200 mg daily (mostly for when I'm awake) - but WITH the trams I get a whole night's sleep - with OTHER things it's like punching in and punching out day and night for me (the never ending nod). I betcha using the whole "squeaky wheel" theory if I went and brought my x-rays and told them about how shitty my Q-o-L was maybe they'd give me some vicodin (I've gotten up to 30 at once in the past). I'm just not sure I want to go that route again because hydro gets boring fast for me. Then it's on to bigger, better, and possibly more illegal things. Pain and pain medication... so many boobie traps and double-edged swords. So, if trams work for ya - great - some people either can't use them responsibly or they just don't cut the mustard so in that case, screw 'em I suppose. I guess we all do what we have to do to get by, right?