prostitution

[SHELLEY]

desperation brings out the worst in all of us
desperation for our drugs
some people steal, some people kill, some people write phony checks
some people sell their bodies
i don't believe that there is anything wrong with prostitution
you are using your body to perform a task
just like a construction worker or a broadway dancer
so you can get payed
sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
i've been a full time prostitute for 5 years
sometimes i enjoy it a lot
sometimes i close my eyes and pray for it to be over
but either way i walk away with dope/crack money
opinions? anyone else ever do the nasty in the pasty just to get high?
even once or twice?
i know a lot of people look down on girls like me
but i'm willing to take that risk

[nick]

No,I'm far too ugly.

I know many sex workers.Hell,my S.O. is an ex sex worker and have no problems with sex work,but there are very few people who have the attitude and mind set not to be damaged doing this work.

Goddam,protestent society.

[tui]

desperation brings out the worst in all of us
desperation for our drugs
some people steal, some people kill, some people write phony checks
some people sell their bodies
i don't believe that there is anything wrong with prostitution
you are using your body to perform a task
just like a construction worker or a broadway dancer
so you can get payed
sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
i've been a full time prostitute for 5 years
sometimes i enjoy it a lot
sometimes i close my eyes and pray for it to be over
but either way i walk away with dope/crack money
opinions? anyone else ever do the nasty in the pasty just to get high?
even once or twice?
i know a lot of people look down on girls like me
but i'm willing to take that risk

i don't look down on you at all...
i've had dealers want to be my boyfriend, who promised rainbows of cocaine and heroin, in return.
i think that would almost be harder, having to pretend to love someone.
but i was always ok in the money department,, i had a huge salary.. and yes, every cent went up my arms.
t

[SHELLEY]

No,I'm far too ugly.

I know many sex workers.Hell,my S.O. is an ex sex worker and have no problems with sex work,but there are very few people who have the attitude and mind set not to be damaged doing this work.

Goddam,protestent society.

i manage to stay sane somehow
most of us do
most of my friends do the same things, females and males
but we all get high
because with this kind of work
sometimes you gotta get away, you gotta run away

[tui]

i manage to stay sane somehow
most of us do
most of my friends do the same things, females and males
but we all get high
because with this kind of work
sometimes you gotta get away, you gotta run away

that's the thing that worries me. my best friend worked like you, and he ran so far away he's gone forever now.

may he r.i.p.

v. sad, tui

[jonny-5]

i have to say that if i was a female, i would probably have prostituted myself for drugs plenty of times. unless you wanna suck people off for drugs, guys cant really ho themselves out to the opposite sex unless theyre straight out of a chippendales catalog or something, which i am not. well actually, i used to shoot dope with this lady who was twice my age (i was 21 or so and she was in her early 40s) and even though i was a junky and had not much sex drive to speak of, she wanted it so i gave it to her and i didnt have to pay for dope for a couple months. so i guess i should have put yes. damn im a whore. crazy.

[Skript]

Drastic times you gotta take drastic measures..
Ive done it a few times when in need.. And it wasnt that bad...
Usually friends, not hookers tho..

[Diluted]

When I had my trust-fund, and was an evil bastard....I'd have girls show up at my apartment crying, begging. I wasn't a dealer, just they knew I had it. Well, at first I'd hate to see people sick and help them out. Soon, they started to never pay me back. So I stopped that. Before long, they would fuck me and I'd give them an 80, or .3 bag, etc.

I'm STD free too, btw.

[CSiiSEQ]

Haven't done it, not sure if I would or not it would depend on the situation and the person.

Shelley, if you don't mind answering, how do you deal with the scary looking/weird customer types? You must be seeing a huge range of different guys from good looking to ugly, so how do you get through the uglier ones?

There was a documentary, I think on hbo a while ago about a woman who was doing it full time, I think she was into crack. The money would be awesome, but some of the guys she was dealing with were pretty scary!

[tui]

i have to say that if i was a female, i would probably have prostituted myself for drugs plenty of times. unless you wanna suck people off for drugs, guys cant really ho themselves out to the opposite sex unless theyre straight out of a chippendales catalog or something, which i am not. well actually, i used to shoot dope with this lady who was twice my age (i was 21 or so and she was in her early 40s) and even though i was a junky and had not much sex drive to speak of, she wanted it so i gave it to her and i didnt have to pay for dope for a couple months. so i guess i should have put yes. damn im a whore. crazy.
most boys have to work same-sex, which pays much better, but the risk is higher...
i've had close friend who worked off'n'on (as his habit required) as male sex worker. Ironically, most of his clients (all male) were married with kids.
But one night he was violently gang-raped by some homophobic asswipes... who thought it was funny.
sick.
t

[drugsaregood]

Aint no 'thang.

[youwonhundred]

You do what you gotta do, period. Anyone who "looks down" on a woman for making her money that way is a dumbass. Hell, I don't want this to sound wrong, but we get through life with the skills we were given, and play the hand we are dealt. Much respect to ya, shelley, for the courage I am sure it takes to deal with some of the folks you have to put up with.

[ProdigalSon]

Anyone who looks down on ya for that can fuck off. Remember: It was your choice and it seems like you are content with your choice. Ive lived the straight and narrow for my entire life(according to my acquatances perception), republican(I know, I know) always clean cut, honor student, blah blah blah...But a side of me noone would know it was me or wouldnt believe it and its almost depressing to me I cannot be myself with this fake facade Im living behind. Its admirable that someone can do what they want, and what they like and not care who says what about it, really.

Myself have never paid for sex nor sold myself for sex, because frankly noone would give me a damn dime.

[Mom]

You do what you gotta do, period. Anyone who "looks down" on a WOMAN for making her money that way is a dumbass.


I'm wondering, and this is not just directed at U100, his just had the sentence in it that I wanted to quote, so I was wondering...everyone seems OK with Shelly and how she makes her money...as am I, but would you all feel the same if "she" was a "he"? What do you all think about male prostitution? Would you be as OK with it as you all seem to be with female prostitution? If it was for the same reason...needed drug money...would you all be as accepting? I ask because I believe there is a double standard, as there is on most things, when it comes to the acceptability of prostitution. It has been my experience that most men do not feel female prostitution is bad or even wrong and tend not to "look down" on the female prostitute. However, it is a VERY different story when it is a male prostitute.

What are your thoughts/feelings?

Hugz,
Mom

[TappyTibbons]

I would never do it (pay or get paid for sex), thats only because i consider sex to be a very special thing only to be shared between two people who truly love each other. Some people just need the shit (sex), they don't have no body to love....or they have a sexual addiction.... for whatever reason. Thats where a provider of sexual favors comes in. It's a fucking business... like any other. Someone needs something.... someone gives it to them (for a price). While I don't think it's right to have sex (i guess it all depends on your definition of sex..... whether your having sex... or just getting/ giving relief.... i dunno whatever) with someone for a meaningless reason, I could never look down on anyone else..... shit it's hard to look down when your heads on the floor!

edit.... heh... I just realized i said "it's a fucking business" heh....

[bronyraur]

its almost depressing to me I cannot be myself with this fake facade Im living behind. Its admirable that someone can do what they want, and what they like and not care who says what about it, really.

I know what you mean, Bro. It would be great to live without the "shadow" of my other life. I don't like hiding things from the people I love. But I don't think they could handle the truth. But I don't wanna wonder too off topic.

Shelley, I respect you as a human being for doing what you have to do. You should be proud of yourself that you've managed to find a way to survive in an cold, cruel world.

[Sitar]

I've fucked a girl so she'd give me her pills. If that's make me a whore, then... cool!

And I initially thought this poll was going to be whether we think prostitution should be legal. I definitely think it should be. Anyone that thinks otherwise is fucking stupid. I know you're "not supposed" to have that kind of attitude about other people's beliefs, but seriously, some people just believe fucking stupid things, and I'm tired of being polite about it.

[RxQueen]

yeah, i used to lie to myself and say that i was just trying out sleeping with this one guy, like maybe if i fucked him a few more times, i could call it some kinda relationship. but i was fuckin him for his drugs, plain & simple. i had no interest in him otherwise. it makes me sorta sad to think about it now, because he was under the impression that i really liked him, and i hate to hurt people's feelings.

and take care of yourself shelley. i'm with the others here who hafta admire ya for being so forthright about your job. make the cash while ya can, and get outta that game if it ever starts to pull down your self-esteem or your personal safety.

[noahzark]

You gotta do what ya gotta do. We cannot look down on people who sell their bodies. It is the oldest known profession there is and nothing is gonna stop it ever. It should be legal like in Holland. It is your bod and you do as you please and fuck anyone who says you are wrong for doing so.

Noahzark

[euphoria2002]

I wouldn't make a good ho.... been giving it away for free for way too long. It has something to do with being a man.

How come pussy is so valuable and dick is worthless..... ladies care to comment?

[RxQueen]

How come pussy is so valuable and dick is worthless..... ladies care to comment?

well euph, like ya said, you're a man and will give it away for free. so will most other men. with that fact not changing any time soon, the demand will never overrun the supply. simple economics 101.

but dick is FAR from worthless! hell, i've known a few that were my favorite playthings, past-times, and hobbies! :D

[euphoria2002]

but dick is FAR from worthless! hell, i've known a few that were my favorite playthings, past-times, and hobbies! :D

Girl, you are a rare treasure indeed!:D

[robojunkie]

Do I look down on you/others for sex work? Absolutely not. In fact you could say I have more respect for pros than I do for "gold diggers" and the type of women (and I suppose some men too) that are out there checking your watch, shoes, manicure, car keys, etc before they take the drink they're offered or look at you or fuck you. Pros are straight up, here's the deal, you get this, you gimme that end of story. No bullshit no lies, maybe the occassional roll I suppose but I'd rather be the mark for that anyday of the week than be in some marry me for my money type (in theory, I'm about as rich as your average junkie the day after pay day). Rock on, as long as your cool with it fuck anyone else's moralistic hypocritical "you're going to hell on Sunday but will you suck me off on Monday" assholes' opinions. All these fuckers demonize pros cause they can't stop themselves from procuring their services! Another in the long list of victimless un-crimes that are crimes in this fucking country...
hb

[StillChippin]

I deffinently don't look down on you for it either, i don't think i could do it just cause of the attachment .....lol unless tons of hot ladies wanted my ass ..... but i'd do that for free too ROFL. But of course that doesn't happen, personally i'd rather deal dope to make a good illegal sale, but then again nothing can pay like sex... its a tough call but i couldn't take it emotionally.... then again i've done a shitload of things that i couldn't take emotionally...still here too

[CSiiSEQ]

so I was wondering...everyone seems OK with Shelly and how she makes her money...as am I, but would you all feel the same if "she" was a "he"? What do you all think about male prostitution?

I, (female), don't see a difference. I don't look down on women or men. I've done things I'm not proud of in desperate times, so I can understand how you can get to that place. I've also been fortunate to have a good education and job and feel like because of that I have opportunities that others might not have (can easily find jobs that pay, can do chemistry when needed, etc). It really doesn't make sense to me that someone could look down on a guy for doing it and not a girl, or vice versa, but I'm sure there are some nutcases out there that think that way!


How come pussy is so valuable and dick is worthless..... ladies care to comment?

Ya know, that's really a good question! I guess i would say it's because it's rare to find a man that says no. So, if you're a woman out prowling, looking for some lovin' you're probably not going to even have to ask for it, it's kind of like a buffet you just have to walk through and pick the one you want. ;) Maybe if guys were more discriminating, it would be a different situation.

[TappyTibbons]

;) Maybe if guys were more discriminating, it would be a different situation.

NO FAT CHICKS!!! hahaha jk

[SHELLEY]

I've fucked a girl so she'd give me her pills. If that's make me a whore, then... cool!

And I initially thought this poll was going to be whether we think prostitution should be legal. I definitely think it should be. Anyone that thinks otherwise is fucking stupid. I know you're "not supposed" to have that kind of attitude about other people's beliefs, but seriously, some people just believe fucking stupid things, and I'm tired of being polite about it.

prostitution should be legal
why should it be illegal to sell something that is legal to give away?

[tonyk]

I agree with the theme that it is your body and what two(or more) concenting adults do is there own business. Ya do what'cha gotta do to survive.

[l4l5]

well im gana get flamed here i can feel it.

Shelly, you are what you are thats kool with me, however my own personal take on it is, id rather have the w/d and have more controll over my addiction (if I had a big addiction)

I respect you shelly no problem its just not what I would do, welcome to the forum I see you havent been here to long. you will fit in here nicely, a lot of different ppl in here, from all walks of life

[youwonhundred]

Actually, Mom, I know you weren't directing that at me in a bad way, but to answer your question, no, it wouldn't make a bit of difference if its a male or female. The only reason I specified in that instance is cause the answer was directed at shelley, the OP, who IS female. Besides, if I looked down on a guy or a girl for turning a trick for money, I'd be a hypocrite. It was easy money though. A hell of a lot better than slaving over a 400 degree grill for 10 hours a day for less money than someone could make for 30 minutes of "work".

Anyway... I'm prolly gonna go to sleep soon... leaving early in the mornin.

[freedomclub]

I voted disgustin' but def should be legal. I only judge people who act like jerks/idiots.

[I-Nod]

This ones tough for me... I'm all for the "live and let live" mind-set. And I could care less what any person out there does, as long as it doesn't directly effect others in a negative way. So if prostituting is your thing, great! You aren't hurting anyone, far from it. However, me being the father of a beautiful lil' girl...

I would give anything in the world that she may never have to go down that road. Or the road of addiction, for that matter... but who am I to criticize? I just want what's best for her. So thats the conflicting thoughts on that.

Be safe and stay happy!!!!

[Woowoo]

My heart goes out to women who rely on selling their body to feed their habit--a viscious cycle indeed. But what a hypocrite I am, since I have participated in this industry. Luckily my whoremongering days are over.

Somebody should make a sister-poll to go along with "ever done a sexual favor for money or drugs?" that asks the question "have you ever offered drugs in exchange for a sexual favor?" I plead guilty, probably 90% of the guys here would as well. (And the other 10% are liars.)

[In The Wind]

Well what it comes down to is you have to sell something. You can sell your body or your mind. Usually selling your mind pays better, and your body has a limited shelf life, greatly shortened if you’re working the streets.

What’s important is that you said you enjoy it a lot, and if you’re happy, then so be it. It is absolutely your choice. It’s gotta be tough I’m sure.

[fenster]

wow this is something I've been worrying about a lot lately- I just broke up with my ex, and she has a massive oc habit, she's never been through w/d's before (thanks to a kind doc or 2) and I'm afraid she's gotta be pretty close to that point by now due to shitty circumstances (two docs on vacation at the same time, not coming back for another week).

She won't talk to me cause I left her so abruptly, I still call every night and leave a message like "if you are gonna be sick tomorrow, call me and I'll leave a package in your mailbox" but I don't know... I would feel personally responsible if she went that way- she's scared to DEATH of w/d's! I don't judge or look down on anyone who choses that life, I just don't want that life for my ex (who I still care about), and I ESPECIALLY don't want her forced into it.

Nobody's gonna give me drugs for me to bang 'em, so the question doesn't really apply to me directly, but the thought of my (ex)girl in that situation is really really painful.

[nick]

wow this is something I've been worrying about a lot lately- I just broke up with my ex, and she has a massive oc habit, she's never been through w/d's before (thanks to a kind doc or 2) and I'm afraid she's gotta be pretty close to that point by now due to shitty circumstances (two docs on vacation at the same time, not coming back for another week).

She won't talk to me cause I left her so abruptly, I still call every night and leave a message like "if you are gonna be sick tomorrow, call me and I'll leave a package in your mailbox" but I don't know... I would feel personally responsible if she went that way- she's scared to DEATH of w/d's! I don't judge or look down on anyone who choses that life, I just don't want that life for my ex (who I still care about), and I ESPECIALLY don't want her forced into it.

Nobody's gonna give me drugs for me to bang 'em, so the question doesn't really apply to me directly, but the thought of my (ex)girl in that situation is really really painful.

I guess this ex isn't the nut.

Unless you held her down and forced pills down her throat......it's not your fault.

Oh and good to see you around bro.

[tui]

i'd like to know how the boyfriends' (or girlfriends') feel about their partner sex-working...

my xboyfriend didn't even like another guy shooting me up- too sex-u-al, he said, a form of penetration. Sounds crazy, but i understood, it's quite an intimate thing,,,
(un?)luckily, i'm a fast learner... so he didn't have to worry for long.

t

[soulninja]

i'd like to know how the boyfriends' (or girlfriends') feel about their partner sex-working...

my xboyfriend didn't even like another guy shooting me up- too sex-u-al, he said, a form of penetration. Sounds crazy, but i understood, it's quite an intimate thing,,,
(un?)luckily, i'm a fast learner... so he didn't have to worry for long.

t
I have zero experience with that question,but it cant be good for a relationship.Unless your a pimp

[Dan Steely]

I agree with her bf. fuck that shit. I'd be pissed.

[Chipper]

Tui,

As a guy, I understand your partners concern. However, I think that it's not so much penetration as a loss of control. Plus the injector may accidentally injure you or worse.

[Dan Steely]

pretty good policy in life is not to give drugs to someone else's girl. call me old school. I always ask the dude. I know thats not exactly what we're talkin about but thought i'd mention it. I didn't really get that til I was about 26.

[drugsaregood]

I was actually thinking earlier, guys who get their girlfriends hooked on drugs could be kind of messed up. They could be using it as a power issue, also forcing the girl to stick around. Want your drugs? Have to stick with me. I could see some dude getting their girl hooked on opiates for that reason.

Call me fucked up or whatever..

[Rhonda]

It could be they dont feel very good about themselves and there self image is low. So they get there girlfriend to take drugs so theyll both be together at the same level?

And maybe thats the only way they know how to share there feelings is when they both get high, then its safe to share feelings.

[Dan Steely]

You guys are right on all accounts. "most" of the time they dont realize that thats what they are doing. I think its a big mistake. I'm pretty new to opi's but it didn't take me long to realize it's not even cool to turn someone on to them. Who wants to be responsible for someone else's potential demise. Don't even tell my friends I do em cause it would kind of be an endorsement.

[soulninja]

You guys are right on all accounts. "most" of the time they dont realize that thats what they are doing. I think its a big mistake. I'm pretty new to opi's but it didn't take me long to realize it's not even cool to turn someone on to them. Who wants to be responsible for someone else's potential demise. Don't even tell my friends I do em cause it would kind of be an endorsement.


Hit the nail on the head there bro,guess thats why we flock here.I know I have noone else to talk to about opi's.

[Dan Steely]

Glad you realize that. Sorry though. Tough to go it alone. One of my best friends and I are in it together, fun and cool cause we look out for each other.

[soulninja]

it'd be diff. if i was back home but in a strange state(geographicly not mentally...well mentally too)Dont really know a lot of peeps.Its cool i like my quiet.

[jonny-5]

it'd be diff. if i was back home but in a strange state(geographicly not mentally...well mentally too)Dont really know a lot of peeps.Its cool i like my quiet.


ya man i feel ya im in the same boat

[nickatnight]

This is a very interesting poll. I think another interesting poll would be whether or not you used "sex appeal" to get close to someone so you could get what you wanted. I haven't had sex, but I have been...well deceitful is a little too harsh of a word in my opinion but perhaps "more friendly" than I ordinarily would have been in order to get what I wanted. For some, sex is a distinct line that they just don't want to cross. Just out of curiosity, I think I'll make that poll for the sake of comparison, I think the results will be pretty different from this one (and as I'm new here I'll get to figure out how to make a poll heh)

[RxQueen]

This is a very interesting poll. I think another interesting poll would be whether or not you used "sex appeal" to get close to someone so you could get what you wanted.

i don't think i know anyone who hasn't done this, at least to some degree. flirting is a means to an end, just sometimes not the end that the one being flirted with hopes for. sometimes people flirt to attract someone, sometimes just for an ego boost, and sometimes to get something material for free, among a zillion other reasons. anyone who says they would never do this is either lying to themselves, is asexual, or they have the moral fortitude of a saint.

or maybe this is just the opinion of one person whose moral upstanding is lying down.... ;)

[HeidiW]

Isn't prostitution the world's oldest profession?


Seriously folks, if we all dig deep and get truly HONEST with ourselves, I think some of us have done a hell of a lot worse than selling our ass to get high. I know I have.

It's just me, but I would think that stealing from your family or friend to supply your habit is a whole lot fucking worse than prostitution.

I'm not saying I'm a dope whore either. I'm fortunate enuf' to come up with other ways to supply my habit.
(Knock on wood) I'm just grateful it hasn't gotten to that point for me.

For the grace of God, there go I . . . . .

[CUBErt]

Anyone who looks down on ya for that can fuck off. Remember: It was your choice and it seems like you are content with your choice. Ive lived the straight and narrow for my entire life(according to my acquatances perception), republican(I know, I know) always clean cut, honor student, blah blah blah...But a side of me noone would know it was me or wouldnt believe it and its almost depressing to me I cannot be myself with this fake facade Im living behind. Its admirable that someone can do what they want, and what they like and not care who says what about it, really.


Word

[tui]

It's just me, but I would think that stealing from your family or friend to supply your habit is a whole lot fucking worse than prostitution.


ditto

[djnarkotik]

i dunno i wondered this myself like if i ever was totally broke, would i sell myself as a prostitute. Im a guy so obviously it would have to be with the same sex but i hope my life doesnt come to that. i dunno the thing is i hate working certain jobs too i like my freedom and i cant stand spending all my time for some bitches who just make money of my work. thats why im a student now so i can work for myself. so prostitution id say is like bein an entrepreneur so u get a certain amount of freedom. im young and hopefully i can find a job or something i like so i dont end up down a road that goes down.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

[quote=tui;137359]
i've had dealers want to be my boyfriend, who promised rainbows of cocaine and heroin, in return.]

I dated my dealer for about a year. I wasn't doing it for the drugs, I insisted on paying for them. We just really hit it off. It did give me easier access for sure, and he would help me out whenever I was in a jam.

He disappeared, I think he may have been arrested. I miss him a lot. :(

[tui]

I dated my dealer for about a year. I wasn't doing it for the drugs, I insisted on paying for them. We just really hit it off. It did give me easier access for sure, and he would help me out whenever I was in a jam.

He disappeared, I think he may have been arrested. I miss him a lot. :(


aww, that sucks.

mostly my dealers were greaseballs- fat middle-easterns, slimey italian mafioso, elderly greek men
they wanted drip-feeding power. only one even used himself.

don't get me wrong, they'd watch my back. just wayyy too closely.
;)

t

[Badly Drawn Girl]

aww, that sucks.

t


Yep. I don't even know his real name so I can't look him up to see if he's in jail. He was so sweet to me. He mainly dealt crack, but he got pills by trade. When I started smoking, he literally burst into tears. He refused to sell to me more than once. He made me smoke in front of him, I think in order to make me feel bad. I had lost close to 40 lbs in a few months. My hands and lips were all cracked and fucked up. It broke my heart to see him so upset. We lost contact during my 4 month binge and then I couldn't find him.

I'm keeping my eyes peeled though. If it's meant to be, it will happen right?

[nick]

Yep. I don't even know his real name so I can't look him up to see if he's in jail. He was so sweet to me. He mainly dealt crack, but he got pills by trade. When I started smoking, he literally burst into tears. He refused to sell to me more than once. He made me smoke in front of him, I think in order to make me feel bad. I had lost close to 40 lbs in a few months. My hands and lips were all cracked and fucked up. It broke my heart to see him so upset. We lost contact during my 4 month binge and then I couldn't find him.

I'm keeping my eyes peeled though. If it's meant to be, it will happen right?


RIGHT.

Oh and while I'm here,ARBEIT MACHT FREI.............I'm not laugthing,I lost a lot of family in the holocaust.

It's a fucking dumb preamble to the protestant work ethic and I'm no fan of Weber.

[MetalJake]

I have never done sexually favors for drugs but sometimes wish my wife would at least give me head when I get our scores and give her half the shit.

[euphoria2002]

In principle, I'd be happy to do sexual favors for drugs.

In Reality, I'd be happy to do sexual favors for free.

In practice, I doubt my wife would be impressed!:D

[OpiGuRu729]

Never is a strong word, im not saying i will ever do anything of this nature for drugs but i just think never is a strong word it is pretty dirty but you got to do what you got to do and weve got a long road ahead of us and if some hot girl told me to do her in exchange for free drugs i might do it you just never know...

[Somanax]

Hot chick's sex drugs oh yeah

if you disagree .........

you may be gay

[nikita70]

Never became a "full time business prostitute" just because was too much afraid and a lot of doubts if I'm looking attractive enough... This was probably the only reason... Was trying few times, but (exepting two or three times) I just escaped from the street.

This "legend": the prostitute must be ALWAYS looking PERFECTLY to sell her/his body is false - I know, but I still believed it unconscious, against all the good reason.

Sometimes was even jailous (yes. I really was.) - so many of my buddiegirls found so easy way to earn money for junk, I thought. It was looking so fairy, watching from the outside... But it of course wasn't fairy and easy....

Just rereading yesterday the book of Melvin Burgess "Junk". Lily's point you just "rent" your body for money for a moment, and you her/himself(?) are just like "in the other space" for the same time, for "to stay the little whore" (probably I translate it not literally, but that's the point of Lily, I believe) was for me really close for that times.
FUCK, I'M A COWARDLY LITTLE WHORE WHO EVEN DIDN'T DARE TO SELL HER ASS!!!:D:confused::confused::confused:

[Rent]

Never became a "full time business prostitute" just because was too much afraid and a lot of doubts if I'm looking attractive enough... This was probably the only reason... Was trying few times, but (exepting two or three times) I just escaped from the street.

This "legend": the prostitute must be ALWAYS looking PERFECTLY to sell her/his body is false - I know, but I still believed it unconscious, against all the good reason.

Sometimes was even jailous (yes. I really was.) - so many of my buddiegirls found so easy way to earn money for junk, I thought. It was looking so fairy, watching from the outside... But it of course wasn't fairy and easy....

Just rereading yesterday the book of Melvin Burgess "Junk". Lily's point you just "rent" your body for money for a moment, and you her/himself(?) are just like "in the other space" for the same time, for "to stay the little whore" (probably I translate it not literally, but that's the point of Lily, I believe) was for me really close for that times.
FUCK, I'M A COWARDLY LITTLE WHORE WHO EVEN DIDN'T DARE TO SELL HER ASS!!!:D:confused::confused::confused:

That is so weird that is where I got my user name from. I am just for "rent" for awhile. I am hoping it's not for a life time.

[Nostromos]

prostitutes are angels, they love the unlovable.

[DarthPerineum]

I have never done it, but i cant say i wouldn't. Being a guy it might be a little bit harder to use myself as an object to sell but i can honestly say that if a woman offered a fix or even enough cash for one i wouldn't seriously consider it.

[SUBoxZERO]

if you were a guy you know you would have to be screwin other dudes

[george123]

Yes. Around here they call it "jockey-boxing".

[soulninja]

Yes. Around here they call it "jockey-boxing".


ewwwww.....

[Dan Steely]

stop pretending soul ninja. nobody's buying it.

[soulninja]

stop pretending soul ninja. nobody's buying it.


Ok your right we should stop pretending..
Everyone...Dan and I ...are...Butt pirates(shame),

........But i pitch and he catches....haha!

[Dan Steely]

turd burglers, hehe hehe no way man gimme the remote

[SHELLEY]

what is a prostitute?
an expensive life support system for a cunt
hahahahahahahaha
aw, i just made myself sad... : )

wow, i used "the c-word"
i've been a crackhead for 7 years
a heroin addict for 4
and a prostitute for 5 1/2
and never spoken the cunt word out loud

[El Dave]

desperation brings out the worst in all of us
desperation for our drugs
some people steal, some people kill, some people write phony checks
some people sell their bodies
i don't believe that there is anything wrong with prostitution
you are using your body to perform a task
just like a construction worker or a broadway dancer
so you can get payed
sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
i've been a full time prostitute for 5 years
sometimes i enjoy it a lot
sometimes i close my eyes and pray for it to be over
but either way i walk away with dope/crack money
opinions? anyone else ever do the nasty in the pasty just to get high?
even once or twice?
i know a lot of people look down on girls like me
but i'm willing to take that risk

I don't know you, but I know a lot of whores. Enough of them that the word "whore" is a good word to me. A lot of people do look down on you, but they are mostly just know-nothing fools who wouldn't know a valid experience if it crapped in their hair. Sure, plenty of guys are just two timers getting a little piece on the side despite having a good wife, but others are guys who just can't take the urges any more, or maybe their wife has some sort of a problem, or whatever, and someone like you helping them is making it possible for an otherwise good marriage to continue. Believe me, a contract for pay is a thousand times to be preferred over a "love affair" on the side, as I've recently learned. Please know that there are those of us out here who respect you far more than the woman who says "if a man isn't financially stable he's not for me", because she is doing the exact same thing you are but she isn't being honest about it. If you could know the whole truth about every trick you've turned you'd find that you have saved a hell of a lot of marriages. There's a lot more to human need than meets the eye, and you are performing a valuable service that really is needed. Please don't kid yourself otherwise.

[pharmboy]

The United States is such a prudish, puritanical, hypocitical
society. I am all for legalized prostitution. It would probably
prevent alot of rapes and suicides. The only thing I see wrong
with how they do it in Vegas is the girls charge to much.:rolleyes:

[Soda]

Fucking is too easy. Be a doctor or something. Be an OBGYN. Challenge yourself. Give the vagina a break.

[flipside]

Fucking is too easy. Be a doctor or something. Be an OBGYN. Challenge yourself. Give the vagina a break.

Kinda difficult for a full time heroin addict, with no education or means to obtain one... but you were just being funny right?

[Soda]

Kinda difficult for a full time heroin addict, with no education or means to obtain one... but you were just being funny right?

Not at all.
Say I was a girl. I'm going to let you in on a very personal fact...I'm a guy. Don't spread this around. This is the internet. Dangerous place.
OK. So this is hypothetical. I'm a girl. I have boobs. I have a vagina. People want to pay me money to put their penises in my vagina, but these people are sort of creepy to me. I like drugs, sure, but I like drugs to help my life, not degrade it. So...I might draw the line. If I really was passionate about sex and prostitution, like a nympho or something to that effect, then I would definately want to put the passion to good use. I don't know...teach health or something. Saying "I can't" because I'm addicted to heroin is a total and complete cop out.

[flipside]

Oh, okay then..that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. But do you see where I am coming from how can a non functioning addict get an education..unless they were to clean up. I'm foucusing on the distinction here between functional and non functional..being so strung out all you can do is wory where your next fix is coming from.

And as someone who was a "functional" addict for years I did manage to get my MSN, and become a CRNP...but never could have done it in the throws of full blown, non functioning addiction. Make a little sense?

[Soda]

Oh, okay then..that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Prostitution can be great, I'm not one to judge, but look at her post. This girl obviously needs protection, more than condoms. Just like drugs, prostitution is rendered dangerous by illegalization. By all means, tell me your opinion. Do you really think nothing is wrong when someone closes their eyes while being fucked and prays for it to be over so they can buy crack?

[flipside]

Prostitution can be great, I'm not one to judge, but look at her post. This girl obviously needs protection, more than condoms. Just like drugs, prostitution is rendered dangerous by illegalization. By all means, tell me your opinion. Do you really think nothing is wrong when someone closes their eyes while being fucked and prays for it to be over so they can buy crack?


Of course not, having been in the same position described above. I was a prostitute for a while, ( too long) and it's not something I would reccomend to anyone..but someone like that while still using has a very difficult time holding down any sort of "real" job. I know what it's like to sell your body and your soul..so I do see what you are saying now that we'have discussed this and I 100% agree with your above post.

[Soda]

I don't know a lot about crack, but I imagine the level of addictiveness might keep this girl a prostitute for more than a while, which is FAR too long by BOTH of our standards.

[flipside]

Amen to that brother!

[southernbelle]

Has anyone heard from her? She hasn't been around in a while. I just hope the poor girl is okay.

[Rent]

Has anyone heard from her? She hasn't been around in a while. I just hope the poor girl is okay.

I just checked her blog, and she posted yesterday. It looks like she has limited computer access right now.

[youwonhundred]

The United States is such a prudish, puritanical, hypocitical
society. I am all for legalized prostitution. It would probably
prevent alot of rapes and suicides. The only thing I see wrong
with how they do it in Vegas is the girls charge to much.:rolleyes:

EVERYTHING in vegas costs too fucking much. Five dolla for a pack of cigs, etc etc. And if you wanna get technical, prostitution isn't legal in Clark County proper, just outside vegas. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen here... who am I kidding, I know plenty of working girls.

[Duckfeet]

Used to be my body was my business. Gov't stayed out of it. Then, for lack something better to explain things, we created gods. Along with that, powerful people realized that religion kept people in line, so we created a sense of *sin.* If yer fucking, or shooting up dope, yer *bad* and gonna go to hell. this thinking became institutionalized in many western countries...and eastern.

Between cravng dope, and wanting to make a buck, a poor girl doesn't stand a chance. Of course, now they don't mind gambling any more, since the gov't realized they can make huge profits. I can remember when Deadwood SD had legalized prostitution. Other than that, had a little diner, and a couple bars. You could ride over there from Sturgis, and get laid, and get some scrambled eggs, and down a few beers. Then they got ambitious. So they made prostitution *illegal* and gambiling legal. Now Deadwood, like Lake Charles LA, and other places, are boring imitation Vegases. Every other fucking storefront has shills out front, trying to get people in to gamble...

Not *my* business what people do w/their bodies or their wallets...but not the gov'ts either, back in better days we used to have sayings like: "Don't Tread On Me," or "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death and" "Live Free or Die." Used to be a tough country, didn't meddle in petty bullshit. Now you can go to jail for not wearing a top on the beach. Shit...

[pharmboy]

Ahmen Brother DUCKFEET!

[Nostromos]

"The United States is such a prudish, puritanical, hypocitical
society. I am all for legalized prostitution. It would probably
prevent alot of rapes and suicides. The only thing I see wrong
with how they do it in Vegas is the girls charge to much."

I think I wanna move out of this country. Too much selfishness run a damn-mok. Apathy to other people's suffering is clung to so damn tightly in western culture that it even hurts the apathetic, themselves. And then there's the asinine gangster culture that's celebrated in the mainstream-- it's the "in thing"! It's fucking abominable and stupid, pitting minorities against each other as if they didn't have enough burdens to shoulder.

[Duckfeet]

I agree, people can seem unfeeling...but I'm more concerned about the people who *do* care, and pass laws to protect me, and others, from ourselves. In the old days prostitutes had to deal with mean-spirited Johns, like the idiot the above post quotes. But they *still* do, only now, they also got to deal with jail. Same with dope fiends. Before people scorned us. Guess what? They *still* scorn us, but now get locked up, too. So us, and the prostitutes still have all the crap we used to have, but by criminalizing our actions, they have harmed us even more. I don't *care* what people think about me. What I do care about is the fact, that, particularly in the last century, we got more and more used to the idea that it was the government's job to protect us from ourselves. And the war on drugs has backfired...and I can tell you right now, making prostitution illegal hasn't helped them much either.

It's not about feelings. It's about government's increasing scope and ability to lock people up for anything the general culture doesn't approve of. Fear of hell didn't do it, now they're also finding out that fear of jail doesn't work all that good either. People are going to fuck, and people are going to get high. Both these things been around forever.

[rachamim18]

Shelley: I think alot of folks do look down on people like you but I imagine most just feel sad. I know some women like in Europe and a couple in Nevade find it an act of empowerment but personally I just find it , no offence, a terrible thing. IF someon e chose to do it for a reason other than desperation, I would be fine with it. Almost all though do it because of adddiction, no family or support syetm, and so on.

I have never been with a Pro, just never had the reason.

Sex to me is consummation of the soul. One has only one soul mate and one should only be with that person. Of course over the years I have made huge msitakes but I really have come to believe this.

[Dr. Oxy]

wait a second....come on man...you believe in soulmates after you left the woman you had 4 children with?(No offense to you, i'm just dealing with enormous amounts of emotional b.s. in my life right now, so i dont have a very high tolerance for it)

look prostitution has been around as long as humanity has been around...there will always be stupid pricks looking to pay for sex....and as long as they exist, then the prostitutes do as well.

[Soda]

Sex is better off opiates.

[I-Nod]

Sex is better off opiates.

Depends who you're asking, the lady, or the guy who just got done kicking :D Whomever tagged it with the phrase "hair-trigger" here, couldn't have said it any better.

Nah, I know what you're saying Soda, and I'd have to agree.

[Soda]

Naturally.

[Duckfeet]

I don't know. I think it's *supposed* to be, and maybe at one time this was true. But most of the people I've know in the last 20-30 years, given the choice would check: "both." I know in AA and stuff they're always saying this, and I guess it's more "real" and stuff...but I still think I'd have to plug in all kinds of qualifiers on this statement...

Sex is better off opiates.

[Soda]

Well, it's certainly harder to achieve orgasm. Constipation does not bode well for sex either. Of course, in this land of the US of A the choice is yours.

[eerased]

I'm not sure that sex is "always" better off opis. I've had some of the best sexual experiences while high. I think because I had less inhibitions.:o Maybe it's just me but I think it's better on opis! For me anyways.


I don't know. I think it's *supposed* to be, and maybe at one time this was true. But most of the people I've know in the last 20-30 years, given the choice would check: "both." I know in AA and stuff they're always saying this, and I guess it's more "real" and stuff...but I still think I'd have to plug in all kinds of qualifiers on this statement...

[Soda]

I'm not sure that sex is "always" better off opis. I've had some of the best sexual experiences while high. I think because I had less inhibitions.:o Maybe it's just me but I think it's better on opis! For me anyways.

You're actually totally right. I mean, sex on opiates is usually a lot more foreplay so I guess it's not like...traditional baby-making sex...but in terms of feeling good its usually pretty damn good on opiates.....i think i was bitter when i said what i said because i wasnt on opiates at the time.
hoping yu understand,
soda

[waggz]

This seems to be a very open and well opinionated thread. I come from a smaller city without any of the stereotype of junkies dealers etc. For the most part the town i grew up in there wasn't much of any public drug use until i got to high school. From all the parties I've been at, not to many women nor men would sell them selves off to achieve their favorite euphoric feeling. But i personally don't see a problem with it..

[eerased]

Soda,
I can understand being bitter when not having any goodies.. sometimes when I'm out I will actually talk myself into having sex because it helps with the w/d for that brief few moments. So now sometimes I find myself associating sex with w/d.. Not a good way to look at it I know.
But then the times when I'm super high I find I can become more "into" the whole ordeal. I just enjoy it.. Sometimes the opis can even make me horny. That isnt the norm but does happen.:D


You're actually totally right. I mean, sex on opiates is usually a lot more foreplay so I guess it's not like...traditional baby-making sex...but in terms of feeling good its usually pretty damn good on opiates.....i think i was bitter when i said what i said because i wasnt on opiates at the time.
hoping yu understand,
soda

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

Well Shelly I have to admit that I turned my first trick when I was 18 because my daughter who was 4 months old needed diapers.I wanted to do it all on my own and not depend on anyone.
Then when I was 19 I was introduced to crack.I had went to my dealers house to buy pot and his friends said that their was no weed but there was no pot,but they had something that would get me real,real high.I went in the kithen and they were all freebasing and cooking up coke.
From that night on I am ashamed to say I left everything I loved for crack.My 1 year old daughter,my Mom dying of cancer,my boyfriend (who introduced me to I.V.ing coke) and then I started sneaking around on him and going to this 1 house where there was 9 chinese guys living.I was 5'2' 110 lbs and I put on a sex show for them and left w/ a handful of cash.Over $600.
After that my boyfriend found out about it and I lost him too.It wasn't even the fact that I had to turn tricks because he was a dealer,but later I found out he was using me for a runner cuz I looked so young and the police would never suspect me,but to this day I dream about him,in fact I did last night.
Now after he went to jail I ended up w/ a guy who would take down license plates of the cars I jumped into.A wanna b pimp so if something happened to me he'd give the license plates to the cops.
Most of the guys I dated were not bad looking at all,in fact I would have went with them for free if I was drunk and /or high.Then came the weirdos,One would want to cum in a high heeled shoe and have me walk in the shoes,Another would want me to greet him at the door when he said "Honey I'm Home"and kick him in the balls as hard as I could.Then there was the foot guy who would feel my feet and get off.
Then there were the crazy ones that would beat me,handcuff me and gag me and hang me from the sprinkler on the ceiling and put high heal shoes on me and then video tape it,I was also gang raped by 4 guys who also video taped it.Fortunately the DEA has that tape,because they were also dumb enoughg to tape drug sales and drug use going on there.
I am now 38 years old.Fortunately when I was 26 I had a sugar daddy take me under his wings and gives me enough to support my morphine habit.I quit crack when I became pregnant at 26 and have never done crack since.I will tell you crack was easy to quit compared to I.V.ing morphine.That is 100% going to be the death of me.My sugar daddy is now 73.I don't have sex w/ him but when I lose him I will definately have to turn tricks to not get sick.
I always used protection.ALWAYS,but I don't see anything wrong with prostitution.I am one of the people that can do as you say and just close my eyes and pray for it to be over.

[eerased]

I dont want to sound like a sap but:
This story made me cry! I'm sorry for what you have been through VM I hope everything turns out ok when that time comes! Wow this really made me sad.:o


Well Shelly I have to admit that I turned my first trick when I was 18 because my daughter who was 4 months old needed diapers.I wanted to do it all on my own and not depend on anyone.
Then when I was 19 I was introduced to crack.I had went to my dealers house to buy pot and his friends said that their was no weed but there was no pot,but they had something that would get me real,real high.I went in the kithen and they were all freebasing and cooking up coke.
From that night on I am ashamed to say I left everything I loved for crack.My 1 year old daughter,my Mom dying of cancer,my boyfriend (who introduced me to I.V.ing coke) and then I started sneaking around on him and going to this 1 house where there was 9 chinese guys living.I was 5'2' 110 lbs and I put on a sex show for them and left w/ a handful of cash.Over $600.
After that my boyfriend found out about it and I lost him too.It wasn't even the fact that I had to turn tricks because he was a dealer,but later I found out he was using me for a runner cuz I looked so young and the police would never suspect me,but to this day I dream about him,in fact I did last night.
Now after he went to jail I ended up w/ a guy who would take down license plates of the cars I jumped into.A wanna b pimp so if something happened to me he'd give the license plates to the cops.
Most of the guys I dated were not bad looking at all,in fact I would have went with them for free if I was drunk and /or high.Then came the weirdos,One would want to cum in a high heeled shoe and have me walk in the shoes,Another would want me to greet him at the door when he said "Honey I'm Home"and kick him in the balls as hard as I could.Then there was the foot guy who would feel my feet and get off.
Then there were the crazy ones that would beat me,handcuff me and gag me and hang me from the sprinkler on the ceiling and put high heal shoes on me and then video tape it,I was also gang raped by 4 guys who also video taped it.Fortunately the DEA has that tape,because they were also dumb enoughg to tape drug sales and drug use going on there.
I am now 38 years old.Fortunately when I was 26 I had a sugar daddy take me under his wings and gives me enough to support my morphine habit.I quit crack when I became pregnant at 26 and have never done crack since.I will tell you crack was easy to quit compared to I.V.ing morphine.That is 100% going to be the death of me.My sugar daddy is now 73.I don't have sex w/ him but when I lose him I will definately have to turn tricks to not get sick.
I always used protection.ALWAYS,but I don't see anything wrong with prostitution.I am one of the people that can do as you say and just close my eyes and pray for it to be over.

[alissanurse]

ive been a escort for almost a year, i have sold myself for exchange of money and percocet when i had no pills

[Soda]

Hey everybody,
This is a little off base, okay, but listen. If I "sold myself" I would probably be a slave. I don't know. It makes me wonder why having sex is selling yourself. Is it really REALLY slavery?
I don't know. I wonder if there is a line between fucking someone for pills, and fucking someone because he has pills.

In the regular sex world, or as regular as it gets, girls and guys look for things like intelligence, long walks in the rain, pina coladas ect. But in the less-known opiophile romance world, perhaps pills are as valuable a personality trait as humor or good looks.

Maybe its not even prostitution.

[Coldshakekid]

I have an X girlfriend that went to prostitution and it killed me!
It was actually the only girl I ever loved and I was w/her for a long time.
First love type thing.
I absolutly dispised her after that!!Hated her w/a passion I cant explain.
Although at first she told me she was escorting.
And explained it as a strictly non physical type and shes just doin it 1 or 2 times a week.Until one day I made a joke when she said she was illin
I said,I hope your not on the corner selling your ass.And she responded saying...thats not funny.

I immediatly figured she was already doing it
For the whole year I was in jail,I would imagine her with her 3 or 4 different guys everynight b4 I went to sleep.It was tourture.I would write her still and curse her out every other letter.

I was in jail for 12 months.

I taught her how to make 1000 cash everyday.She was with me for 10 months straight everyday watching and learning the "TRADE" I taught her,she had many options.
Then I heard she was with a few of the people I know.
It was verrry sad to me BUT
There was no reason that she needed to resort to selling her body.
No excuse.
And she was on the meth program,so she wasnt ill like that..



So.I came out of jail and she was wanting and expecting me to hook up w/her.But I just couldnt.She kept calling me and having frineds tell me to come get her etc etc.
I would have prly ended up killing her.
Just could not forgive it....And I never will
I had an extreme love for this girl.

So...I heard,she ended up having 2 children with a mexican guy.
I seen her driving down the highway one day
I came out fo jail in 2002
I seeen her on the highway 2007
So....Im driving,i see 2 dark skin kids in the back window of a car,then I see a blonde in the drivers seat....The combo struck me....And I take a second look.and it s her..!!!
She sees me,and pulls her hair over her face to hide in shame.
She was w/her mother in law and 2 children.

I did run a credit report on her and she has 1 thing on her report.
A credit card for Victorias Secret :)

Before this,my opinion on it was quite different.
For the most part
A pro can move to another town and say shes a virgin,and no=one will be the wiser,so your not trapped.
On the other hand...If you like sex w/strangers
Theres no reason why you shouldnt profit if you can.
Legalize it!! I say.

I wouldnt mind opening my own lady business... Its in Demand 24/7 everyone wants it,and most guys will fuck anything! :)

[Soda]

Hey man, the Mexicans have a noble and proud history.

[pizzaboy]

Wow,

I've read and re-read the posts herein and have to say that there are some harsh stories out there.

I've never traded sex for drugs or money..but I've done a few things that compare...we're all selling ourselves in one way or another. Most of us will do whatever it takes when we are facing withdrawal, including getting "creative."

I know a few working girls, and a lot of my male user friends look down on them, even though they are selling themselves for drugs in differents ways. It's all a matter of using what you have when you have to. I never look down my nose at those girls...but for a cosmic dice roll it could be me. I never hesitate to point this out to the boys, and they'll nod their heads in agreement, but they really don't see what I'm talking about. Often we can't see beyond our next score.

A few months ago I married a young lady 23 years my junior. We're both moderately addicted to opiates, oxycodone being our DOC although anything will do in a pinch. Our favorite backup is heroin as its easily available and my main guy is fairly trustworthy, as far as that kind of thing goes. I'm concerned because one of the key issues associated with addiction is our constant state of underfunding.

Now, we're getting by, but we struggle, as you might imagine. We both work, she has a great job. I had an extremely stressful good paying job which I quit to move up here, I've since found decent work and am starting a part-time job tomorrow to supplement our income. Bills are being paid, mostly, and occasionally I send my ex-wife a little cash if she asks and I have it. (Not a legal obilgation, but she has struggled too, and we were together 20 years. I help when I can.)

Her parents are wealthy and we need but ask..so it should be honestly pointed out that we are working with a safety net. Asking is unacceptable though, unless we are desperate, and we are certainly trying to cover up our problem to our families. If we ask they will wonder where the money is going, and well, they ain't stupid.

Before we met..she traded sex for money (coke), so I know what she is capable of when the chips are down. Her honesty with me is beyond reproach, so I'm not worried about her sneaking around...but she's asked several times about stripping to make extra money.

The first time it hit me like a Mack truck hauling bricks. Have we gotten that bad? What was she thinking I would say? I would never "allow" that to happen, as long as I have a say in it. Before we were married we occasionally messed around with the group thing, I'm not the insanely jealous type and that was strictly for fun, but this is different.

I know what it takes to quit..I've gotten off several times before only to go back, mainly because I'm in charge of procurement and its difficult for me to get for her without sampling some of the goodies. I can quit and will before she spends a second as a sex-worker, on any level. Or I'll get yet another job. God, at least I hope I will.

It's a concern. Budget-wise, it looks pretty good for a while despite the holidays so the subject is on hold, but I know her...she's single-minded when she feels she has a solution for a problem. She is crystal clear on my feelings too. I don't want to come across as heavy-handed, pulling the age thing on her, saying "I'm older and I know better." Our relationship is loving and happy, despite these problems, we operate on equal terms.

I'm not sure what to do. Please don't interpret my post as put-down to anyone in the life, my statements merely indicate my choices and wishes and are not to suggest that I place any judgement on anyone.

Any comments would be appreciated, but the main goal was to share and to vent my concerns. Thanks for reading!!

Pizza

[upstate_007]

Got a little bit of quick advice Pizza...

If your girl was to start stripping to supplement the household income it would be going towards opiates, right? At least that was what I got from your post. So, lets say she starts dancing, extra money is coming in, extra dope is coming in because its easier to afford with the extra cash, things are going good. Then 6 months down the road your tolerances are double what they are now and you are back in the same struggling to make ends meet financial situation. What's the next step from there? Quit and dry out for a while? probably not. You quit while she keeps using? probably not.

More money = more dope = more problems. You already know what the step after dancing is and you said she has already been down that road once before.

Sure, things could work out in any number of different ways, but when there is a growing habit to feed things get a little crazy sometimes.

[pizzaboy]

More money = more dope = more problems. You already know what the step after dancing is and you said she has already been down that road once before.


Advice well taken. It's not going to happen, at least under any circumstances while I'm involved.

She knows me pretty well, we've been around the block once or twice together...but she didn't expect me to react that way. Even though she has traded for coke..it was still just kid stuff with people she knew...she hasn't been out there and seen what some of us have seen.

It's a marriage and like any marriage I'm not dumb enough to think I have absolute power. I think she'll listen to me on this one though.

Thanks,

Pizza

[eerased]

There is something I did when I was younger. I made decent money and I never left my bedroom. I was living in Quebec and had a hard time finding a decent job. So I started doing online video chat. Back then it was pretty new and there was allot of girls doing it but not nearly as many as today! You could consider something like that. Couples are in high demand. There was (probably still is) a network called ifriends.net thats where I did it. You are working the "sex industry" but with your wife and she with you. You never leave the comforts of your own home. This is a good way to supplement your income. I dont do it anymore but would if I had or wanted to make more loot.

Anyhoo just something to look into.

Advice well taken. It's not going to happen, at least under any circumstances while I'm involved.

She knows me pretty well, we've been around the block once or twice together...but she didn't expect me to react that way. Even though she has traded for coke..it was still just kid stuff with people she knew...she hasn't been out there and seen what some of us have seen.

It's a marriage and like any marriage I'm not dumb enough to think I have absolute power. I think she'll listen to me on this one though.

Thanks,

Pizza

[upstate_007]

There is something I did when I was younger. I made decent money and I never left my bedroom. I was living in Quebec and had a hard time finding a decent job. So I started doing online video chat. Back then it was pretty new and there was allot of girls doing it but not nearly as many as today! You could consider something like that. Couples are in high demand. There was (probably still is) a network called ifriends.net thats where I did it. You are working the "sex industry" but with your wife and she with you. You never leave the comforts of your own home. This is a good way to supplement your income. I dont do it anymore but would if I had or wanted to make more loot.

Anyhoo just something to look into.

My girlfriend/running partner/psycho bitch used to do that when we were together and deep deep deep into H. It was great money and we were both ok with it. I would have definitely joined in for the money if there was an opportunity where she was doing it.

[dirtdog]

IDK
Its a weird question. Ive fucked guys for drugs and money b4.
I would feel guilty about it after cus I dont wanna end up like my mom.
Oh well....
if its got a dick and drugs, fuck it.

[sidman]

wow man!!
I just read this entire thread and it was really a look into the opinions of people these days,which I'd have to say is interesting and also disturbing somewhat.
I've read alot of Shelleys' threads (most of them anyways) and I have remember when She would be having Her good days and Her bad days. She might have said that She "Likes" Her "Job" but from what I remember, in the not-so-distant past, there were some times when I would quite literally squirm from the sheer horror of reading what She was going through at those times. I thought She was going to die many times over, before and again, and then some more!
Shelley seems to me to be an intelligent Woman. She is doing what She "wants" to do. However, I think She could become someone of a much greater Scope and Standing, in her life and from her Experience
with it all.
She could write a book on Her life and it would make Her more Fat $$$ than any "Trick" could pay Her!!
Truth is definately stranger than fiction, that is for certain!
As far as the whole Prostitution thing goes, I have mixed feelings about it. I feel that alot of times a Woman does not get what She is worth when She sells herself with the goals of nothing but Crack/Heroin in mind.
Another thing is,when a Woman is all strung out and haggard-looking from the copius amounts of drugs they are ingesting in order to feed a sky-rocketing tolerance, She undoubtedly does not even LOOK like
She is worth much more than some Crack/Heroin in the first place.
So, I am pretty much not in agreement with Women selling themselves for Drugs.
Never mind the "Filth/Diseases'" that come along with that certain approach of "Maintaining" a Frenzied Addiction.
Now, if a woman ISN'T all strung out looking and IS healthy, then, She would probably make what she is worth, plus "Fringe" benefits.
You get what you pay for (at least it should be)
So, anyways, I could say alot more but I gotta go........
but one thing in my mind is for sure, Prostitution really could be what is considered a "Profession" if it's done professionally, that is!!

[pizzaboy]

There is something I did when I was younger. I made decent money and I never left my bedroom. I was living in Quebec and had a hard time finding a decent job. So I started doing online video chat. Back then it was pretty new and there was allot of girls doing it but not nearly as many as today! You could consider something like that. Couples are in high demand. There was (probably still is) a network called ifriends.net thats where I did it. You are working the "sex industry" but with your wife and she with you. You never leave the comforts of your own home. This is a good way to supplement your income. I dont do it anymore but would if I had or wanted to make more loot.

Anyhoo just something to look into.


Actually I wouldn't mind something like that. My wife is a real perv and I'm right there behind her...we would probably consider any actual income to be a fringe benefit.

In fact, when the whole confrontation went down, that subject was brought up. It's a consideration, it might help "get it out of her system" and we would both get enjoyment out of it.

Thanks for the advice,

Pizza

[nick]

Actually I wouldn't mind something like that. My wife is a real perv and I'm right there behind her...we would probably consider any actual income to be a fringe benefit.

In fact, when the whole confrontation went down, that subject was brought up. It's a consideration, it might help "get it out of her system" and we would both get enjoyment out of it.

Thanks for the advice,

Pizza

Man,sex is ALL in the head............. a bit like addiction.

[pizzaboy]

Man,sex is ALL in the head............. a bit like addiction.


Yeah, I'm past the point in my life where it really matters, but it matters to her...so it matters to me. If you follow that logic.



P

[jackjohnson]

wow man!!
I just read this entire thread and it was really a look into the opinions of people these days,which I'd have to say is interesting and also disturbing somewhat.
I've read alot of Shelleys' threads (most of them anyways) and I have remember when She would be having Her good days and Her bad days. She might have said that She "Likes" Her "Job" but from what I remember, in the not-so-distant past, there were some times when I would quite literally squirm from the sheer horror of reading what She was going through at those times. I thought She was going to die many times over, before and again, and then some more!
Shelley seems to me to be an intelligent Woman. She is doing what She "wants" to do. However, I think She could become someone of a much greater Scope and Standing, in her life and from her Experience
with it all.
She could write a book on Her life and it would make Her more Fat $$$ than any "Trick" could pay Her!!
Truth is definately stranger than fiction, that is for certain!
As far as the whole Prostitution thing goes, I have mixed feelings about it. I feel that alot of times a Woman does not get what She is worth when She sells herself with the goals of nothing but Crack/Heroin in mind.
Another thing is,when a Woman is all strung out and haggard-looking from the copius amounts of drugs they are ingesting in order to feed a sky-rocketing tolerance, She undoubtedly does not even LOOK like
She is worth much more than some Crack/Heroin in the first place.
So, I am pretty much not in agreement with Women selling themselves for Drugs.
Never mind the "Filth/Diseases'" that come along with that certain approach of "Maintaining" a Frenzied Addiction.
Now, if a woman ISN'T all strung out looking and IS healthy, then, She would probably make what she is worth, plus "Fringe" benefits.
You get what you pay for (at least it should be)
So, anyways, I could say alot more but I gotta go........
but one thing in my mind is for sure, Prostitution really could be what is considered a "Profession" if it's done professionally, that is!!

the difference between prostitutes and escorts my friend.

[OxyContinuously]

the difference between prostitutes and escorts my friend.

good point dude. to me at least, "prostitute" always conjures up an image in my mind of a pitiful, skinny, haggard-looking *gasp* "female" who is probably not even worth the glass dick she's sucking on....u know, all smelly w/ "base-burns" on her lips and shit, her tongue and teeth all rotted from the crack, acne all over the place...stench; anyway's u get teh idea, LOL

but an "escort" while also a prostitute, come on let's not kid ourselves here, is just "classier," if i dare use that word?? Usually escorts are tested so they don't have every single STD known to humanity...That and most often (depending where u go, obviously) they suck a dick made out of flesh, not glass....Oh, and they look like women, not pieces of , well, shit.

[Duckfeet]

Yep, it's like the ancient tired joke:

Guy asks girl: "Would u fuck me for a million dollars?"

"Yes," she says, "for a million bucks, yer on..."

Guy asks girl: "Would you fuck me for five bucks?"

Girl says, "What do you think I am?!"

Guy says: "We've already established that...we're just haggling over the price!"

Hahahahaha!!!! hee hee hee ho ho ho whooo, man that was *funny!*:vomit2:

[irish]

In Canada prostitution is actually legal. "Communicating for the purpose of prostitution" is illegal, making it difficult to come to an agreement on price. Strange but true.

[limitless_euphoria]

Yep, it's like the ancient tired joke:
Guy asks girl: "Would u fuck me for a million dollars?"
"Yes," she says, "for a million bucks, yer on..."
Guy asks girl: "Would you fuck me for five bucks?"
Girl says, "What do you think I am?!"
Guy says: "We've already established that...we're just haggling over the price!"
Hahahahaha!!!! hee hee hee ho ho ho whooo, man that was *funny!*:vomit2:

LOL DF, that's a good one! I'll have to remember that next time my friends and I get into a joke telling "pissing contest" of sorts.

Nothing beats sitting around with your buddies high as hell trading "Your Momma" insults. So childish but so fun under the influence.

Oh yeah, and what did the leper say to the whore after she blew him?

"Keep the tip."

Now there's the epitome of tasteless but still laughable. :)

[Soda]

All I'm saying is everyone is a slut. The professional ones ask for money and that's it. The ones that fuck you for free will not only be more expensive, but will have mad strings attached. Sex is never a selfless act to make another human being feel good. People always want something in return. No matter how good you rock their socks in the sack. They want to go to parties with you and stuff, and you don't really want to be seen with them, and then it's sad. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this experience.

SEX AINT NEVA FREE CEPT WHEN YOU MAKE LOVE TO YO HAND

-soda

The only exception to this rule is Steve Perry, who will service you anyway you want it, because that's the way you need it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LFjKFDvyJ80)http://blogs.sltrib.com/tv/uploaded_images/StevePerry-772215.jpg

[upstate_007]

The only exception to this rule is Steve Perry, who will service you anyway you want it, because that's the way you need it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LFjKFDvyJ80)

Ooh, all night, all night
Oh, every night
So hold tight, hold tight
Ooh, baby, hold tight

[JunkYardSaint]

Seems to me that we're all prostitutes - or rather, most of us are prostitutes to one degree or another. There are those rare exceptions, but whenever I tried making a living honestly on my own terms without selling out, I was soon evicted, broke, homeless and before long looking for some kind of way to get cash. I understand the post was meant to reference the stricter definition of the word prostitute; i.e. sex for money strictly speaking, none the less it's all the same to me. Getting fucked for money is getting fucked for money. I'm doing it right now. I work until 2AM, don't make enough to make ends meet, no health benefits, wasting my life for some heartless corporation. There's no love here, but at the end of the week I get a check. I'm a whore - and am disgusted at the things I have to do for money.

[eerased]

I thought that shit was limited to high school crap I guess some never grow out of it!


People always want something in return. No matter how good you rock their socks in the sack. They want to go to parties with you and stuff, and you don't really want to be seen with them, and then it's sad. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this experience.

SEX AINT NEVA FREE CEPT WHEN YOU MAKE LOVE TO YO HAND

-soda

The only exception to this rule is Steve Perry, who will service you anyway you want it, because that's the way you need it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LFjKFDvyJ80)

[Duckfeet]

It's really kind of a wretched lifestyle, not like in the movies, with all the glamor and beauties ... mostly women who get strung out, who've got some boyfriend they care for. Often it starts out with the girls dancing in topless bars, or "B" drinking, or usually both, who then get offered a couple hundred or more bucks to fuck some guy, and if if they have a weak ineffectual guy laying around, they'll do it, at first usually for love, then out of habit...the movie "Casino" had a fairly accurate portrayal of every white pimp I ever met. Or if you *really* want to know what it's like, see "Leaving Las Vegas," cuz that's the life I saw, without exception...and I'm not talking about the Russian pimp, either, but just the drunk who layed around and continued to fuck up both their lives...

It has nothing to do with being "good with women" or "sexual prowess" or any of the other myths that might spring out of what once appeared cool in the ghetto. This is rarely what white junky pimp lives are about. The women are used and used and used up, and like smiles or friendliness or charm or whatever else you use to get dope, once used for gain, it's hard to not be slightly fake forever.

I lived with and off those women, most of the last years of my southern addict days, and they all did it because they cared for me, or felt sorry for me, or just knew I couldn't take care of myself, and me and them both lost something you never really get back...

It's a fucked up life, full of brutality towards the women, constant lies, and the cheapening of whatever love, or even kindness you might have once felt for each other...I have nothing but shame and sorrow over my part in that life....most of'em would've been glad to get somewhere else, out of the shit, but such was the life, and it's short, about a ten year period, then they're all shot, and lucky to get a job at daytime tit bar telling lies about what hustlers they used to be...and the men, like me, weren't even real hustlers, tho we told ourselves we were...we were just weak predators, taking advantage of women who usually had been brutalized or molested at home before they ran away, and for a smile and a little charm would fuck anybody...and nobody wins in that game....

The last time I visited my big love, who I put in a topless bar at seventeen, and had her fucking old men at eighteen:My attitude was "Hey, if she *really* loved me, she'd do it right?" ... and I'm a cool handsome biker...that was "showing class" in my crew....

She was in the visiting room in a Louisana prison, she was now 37 years old, and real sick from HepC, and still trying to be pretty and cute, in her prison shit, for me, and started crying because I never even tried, not once, to change things, or get us out of that hell, until we were both busted and busted again, until it was all over and done...

Nothing good in that life, and nothing good comes of it...

[eerased]

DF,
Got me all choked up over this. It's a sad but so true and mighty raw post. See it all so often. I tell you it's only by the skin of my chin that I managed to avoid that life. Not the one of drugs but the one you describe above. I remember being in high school and being at a kegger getting a lil drunk at age 14 and ended up "doing" some random guy... The mother fucker was 27.. I was as flat as a board and all of 75 pounds. When I finally came to and realized I had just been "USED" by one of those assholes that think fucking a chick and then ignoring her is cool it scared me outta that sex for trade type mentality.. Make sense?? I guess I can sorta thank that freak of a conceded ass wipe that "used" me to get off, for teaching me to steer clear of those situations!!:mad:

Gawd, I dunno why I feel the need to spill my freakin guts out on this board, but where do I pay the bill for all this FREE counseling...:o


It's really kind of a wretched lifestyle, not like in the movies, with all the glamor and beauties ... mostly women who get strung out, who've got some boyfriend they care for. Often it starts out with the girls dancing in topless bars, or "B" drinking, or usually both, who then get offered a couple hundred or more bucks to fuck some guy, and if if they have a weak ineffectual guy laying around, they'll do it, at first usually for love, then out of habit...the movie "Casino" had a fairly accurate portrayal of every white pimp I ever met. Or if you *really* want to know what it's like, see "Leaving Las Vegas," cuz that's the life I saw, without exception...

It has nothing to do with being "good with women" or "sexual prowess" or any of the other myths that might spring out of what once appeared cool in the ghetto. This is rarely what white junky lives are about. The women are used and used and used up, and like smiles or friendliness or charm or whatever else you use to get dope, once used for gain, it's hard to not be slightly fake forever.

I lived with and off those women, most of the last years of my southern addict days, and they all did it because they cared for me, or felt sorry for me, or just knew I couldn't take care of myself, and me and them both lost something you never really get back...

It's a fucked up life, full of brutality towards the women, constant lies, and the cheapening of whatever love, or even kindness you might have once felt for each other...I have nothing but shame and sorrow over my part in that life....most of'em would've been glad to get somewhere else, out of the shit, but such was the life, and it's short, about a ten year period, then they're all shot, and lucky to get a job at daytime tit bar telling lies about what hustlers they used to be...and the men, like me, weren't even real hustlers, tho we told ourselves we were...we were just weak predators, taking advantage of women who usually had been brutalized or molested at home before they ran away, and for a smile and a little charm would fuck anybody...and nobody wins in that game....

The last time I visited my big love, who I put in a topless bar at seventeen, and had her fucking old men at eighteen:My attitude was "Hey, if she *really* loved me, she'd do it right? and I'm a cool handsome biker...that was "showing class" in my crew....

She was in the visiting room in a Louisana prison, she was now 37 years old, and real sick from HepC, and still trying to be pretty and cute, in her prison shit, for me, and started crying because I never even tried, not once, to change things, or get us out of that hell, until we were both busted and busted again, until it was all over and done...

Nothing good in that life, and nothing good comes of it...

[Duckfeet]

No, I hear you, and glad you didn't continue...most of the women I knew who turned tricks had started early, and really thought so poorly of themselves, they thought that was the only way to get men to like them...or else it was sort of "that'll teach my parents" crap at first...or runaways were always trying to show bikers how "grownup" they were, and we all knew the topless bar owners that encouraged prostitution, and that's how it always began down in South Louisiana ... and then, when u throw drugs into the mix, it's hopeless...

One friend of mine, Virgie, shot herself when she hit thirty, and was loosing her hustle...just so fucked up...

I know some women, even on here, want to act like it was glamorous, or kind of a hustle, but I never saw anything but "no way out", for most of'em...and men think it's cool, but it's usually from movies and shit, like "Pretty Woman" and that crap...I never met one of those woman who wasn't brutalized, usually first by family, then by their pimp...it's no good...


DF,
Got me all choked up over this. It's a sad but so true and mighty raw post. See it all so often. I tell you it's only by the skin of my chin that I managed to avoid that life. Not the one of drugs but the one you describe above. I remember being in high school and being at a kegger getting a lil drunk at age 14 and ended up "doing" some random guy... The mother fucker was 27.. I was as flat as a board and all of 75 pounds. When I finally came to and realized I had just been "USED" by one of those assholes that think fucking a chick and then ignoring her is cool it scared me outta that sex for trade type mentality.. Make sense?? I guess I can sorta thank that freak of a conceded ass wipe that "used" me to get off, for teaching me to steer clear of those situations!!:mad:

Gawd, I dunno why I feel the need to spill my freakin guts out on this board, but where do I pay the bill for all this FREE counseling...:o

[Soda]

I thought that shit was limited to high school crap I guess some never grow out of it!

Maybe you should consider the possibility that we're not all old...like you.

[eerased]

Yea I guess your right, I never though (from reading your previous posts) that you were a youngin still.. Sorry about that. However, to me 35 isnt old. Not to mention I definatlely still got it~:)




Maybe you should consider the possibility that we're not all old...like you.

[Duckfeet]

:cool: Kids ... :xmas-smil

[pizzaboy]

There is something I did when I was younger. I made decent money and I never left my bedroom. I was living in Quebec and had a hard time finding a decent job. So I started doing online video chat. Back then it was pretty new and there was allot of girls doing it but not nearly as many as today! You could consider something like that. Couples are in high demand. There was (probably still is) a network called ifriends.net thats where I did it. You are working the "sex industry" but with your wife and she with you. You never leave the comforts of your own home. This is a good way to supplement your income. I dont do it anymore but would if I had or wanted to make more loot.

Anyhoo just something to look into.

We took your advice from a couple weeks back and looked into it.

After much discussion, we decided to give it a run! We're just getting set up, but she is really into it.

She's got this streak in her, and she's excited to experiment with it. It looks like there is actually a few bucks to be made at it too! They have it set up so basically all we have to do is have the proper equipment and push a few buttons.

Anyway, thanks for the advice...it looks like its going to work out.

Pizza

[freedomclub]

You don't have to do the sex part...

Eye opening video, but I still wouldn't do it... (http://vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/4722)

not really "eye opening" I just copied somebody's link for here.

[Soda]

Yea I guess your right, I never though (from reading your previous posts) that you were a youngin still.. Sorry about that. However, to me 35 isnt old. Not to mention I definatlely still got it~:)

Sounds like you're propositioning me. I'm down baby I'll rock your world. I didn't mean to be insensitive. 14 at a party and skinny as a board, eh? Mine was 17, in bed, with a girl who looks like the girl in pizza boy's avatar, but slightly less attractive.

[pizzaboy]

Sounds like you're propositioning me. I'm down baby I'll rock your world. I didn't mean to be insensitive. 14 at a party and skinny as a board, eh? Mine was 17, in bed, with a girl who looks like the girl in pizza boy's avatar, but slightly less attractive.

That's sweet. I think.:D

[Soda]

That's sweet. I think.:D
I am a sweetheart.

[Duckfeet]

From the cd Heartattack and Vine, by Tom Waits, and as far as the "prostitution" hook up, well, u gotta have a little imagination ... and "pullin' a Houdini and gettting out of town on a bus, is ... well ...

here:
He's got a snakeskin sportshirt, and he looks like Vincent Price,
With a little piece of chicken, and he's carving off a slice
Someone tipped her off, and she'll be doing a Houdini now any day
Yeah, she shook his hustle, and a Greyhound bus'll take the one that got away


The One That Got Away
--Tom Waits

[Chicago]

I wonder if I can make some money being a male escort to WOMAN W/MONEY. GET ME A SUGGA MAMA;):D

[pizzaboy]

I am a sweetheart.


Yeah.

She's feeling a little down in the dumps and I showed her your little post and it cheered her up a little.

Any port in a storm...

:cool:

[freedomclub]

From the cd Heartattack and Vine, by Tom Waits, and as far as the "prostitution" hook up, well, u gotta have a little imagination ... and "pullin' a Houdini and gettting out of town on a bus, is ... well ...

here:
He's got a snakeskin sportshirt, and he looks like Vincent Price,
With a little piece of chicken, and he's carving off a slice
Someone tipped her off, and she'll be doing a Houdini now any day
Yeah, she shook his hustle, and a Greyhound bus'll take the one that got away


The One That Got Away
--Tom Waits


I saw him in the Outsiders the other day. He was the guy who owned the bar and the car Matt Dillon where stayed and drove.

[southernbelle]

I liked him in Bram Stoker's Dracula.

[EleusisII]

I wonder if I can make some money being a male escort to WOMAN W/MONEY. GET ME A SUGGA MAMA;):D

Yeah, and I wonder if I can get paid for eating oxy's... Hey, let's go buy some lotterytickets and become rich!!! ;)

[Duckfeet]

Yup: and I liked him in "Cotton Club" as the club manager, and of course, "Down By Law," was cool...for me, when I first read about him in Rolling Stone, and they said something about him being influenced by the Beats, and Kerouac and shit, and then I heard "Heartattack and Vine," and then saw him on a Riverboat at the end of Canal St, in New Orleans...ah, I guess everybody has that one musician who sings their song, and that was, and has always been, Waits...

I saw him in the Outsiders the other day. He was the guy who owned the bar and the car Matt Dillon where stayed and drove.

[(inaudible screams)]

I'm curious......what do you charge? I am not asking because I want your services....The closest I have come to something like that is at a bachelor party in Vegas. I wasn't the bachelor so I watched him get molested by 3 women. He had quite a smile on his face :)

desperation brings out the worst in all of us
desperation for our drugs
some people steal, some people kill, some people write phony checks
some people sell their bodies
i don't believe that there is anything wrong with prostitution
you are using your body to perform a task
just like a construction worker or a broadway dancer
so you can get payed
sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
i've been a full time prostitute for 5 years
sometimes i enjoy it a lot
sometimes i close my eyes and pray for it to be over
but either way i walk away with dope/crack money
opinions? anyone else ever do the nasty in the pasty just to get high?
even once or twice?
i know a lot of people look down on girls like me
but i'm willing to take that risk

[mark_renton]

Yeah, and I wonder if I can get paid for eating oxy's... Hey, let's go buy some lotterytickets and become rich!!! ;)

LOL i've pimped myself to some of my ex girlfriends ( while I was dateing them) for drugs, it's a win win situation. God bless America where even an ugly ol' bastard like me can make his dreams come true :D!

I'll take the fent quality control job, just show me where to sign!

[mark_renton]

I do have this one connect that is trying to always get in my pants after we have done business ( or will give me some pharms in hope of seducing me into laying her done ( as the late great conway twitty eould phraseit)). I can't bring myself to help the poor gal out becuase
1. she's not very attractive.
2. a few other things I didn't like.

I did however have relations with my best friends ex step mom when I was younger for a script of vic's and a bottle of codaclear ( but hell she was extremely hot, and I woulda do it without the incentive anyhow. I was just a horny 19 year old at the time).

/ the more things I post the more I can see any respect I might have gained with ya'all going right down the toilet.

[Chicago]

What are you looking at getting in the long run or after giving her what she wants?
What is she gonna give you to satisfy her, HOW MUCH;)

I do have this one connect that is trying to always get in my pants after we have done business ( or will give me some pharms in hope of seducing me into laying her done ( as the late great conway twitty eould phraseit)). I can't bring myself to help the poor gal out becuase
1. she's not very attractive.
2. a few other things I didn't like.

I did however have relations with my best friends ex step mom when I was younger for a script of vic's and a bottle of codaclear ( but hell she was extremely hot, and I woulda do it without the incentive anyhow. I was just a horny 19 year old at the time).

/ the more things I post the more I can see any respect I might have gained with ya'all going right down the toilet.

[havok]

I do have this one connect that is trying to always get in my pants after we have done business ( or will give me some pharms in hope of seducing me into laying her done ( as the late great conway twitty eould phraseit)). I can't bring myself to help the poor gal out becuase
1. she's not very attractive.
2. a few other things I didn't like.


Wow, I wish I was lucky enough to have a girl offer me drugs for sex. I don't care how ugly she may be. I mean there are guys out there that PAY to have sex with ugly girls.

And here I have had sex with ugly girls for free. What was I thinking?

[trainwrecker]

The last time I visited my big love, who I put in a topless bar at seventeen, and had her fucking old men at eighteen:My attitude was "Hey, if she *really* loved me, she'd do it right?" ... and I'm a cool handsome biker...that was "showing class" in my crew....

She was in the visiting room in a Louisana prison, she was now 37 years old, and real sick from HepC, and still trying to be pretty and cute, in her prison shit, for me, and started crying because I never even tried, not once, to change things, or get us out of that hell, until we were both busted and busted again, until it was all over and done...

Nothing good in that life, and nothing good comes of it...


Jesus DuckFeet, thats some intense shit. I thought I had a heavy load...

[Duckfeet]

I try not to romanticize that life: pop culture, racial sensitivity, wishful thinking...all that, always tries to make it seem like some kind of cute thing, cool, and sexual, and a form of "hustle"... And the girls, particularly, I think, have to make it seem like there is more to it: that love survives, that you can "get out of it"...

The experience I had, bitter tho it might be, to me is a lot closer to what really happens. Just pathetic junkies, too sick and beat to come up with better ideas, and everything gets cheapened in the process, and u never again quite get the luster back...that's the worst of it: what u can't undo... Predatory weak men...insufficient broken women.

Jesus DuckFeet, thats some intense shit. I thought I had a heavy load...

[Chicago]

LOL, Right...;):D
Wow, I wish I was lucky enough to have a girl offer me drugs for sex. I don't care how ugly she may be. I mean there are guys out there that PAY to have sex with ugly girls.

And here I have had sex with ugly girls for free. What was I thinking?

[mark_renton]

What are you looking at getting in the long run or after giving her what she wants?
What is she gonna give you to satisfy her, HOW MUCH;)




I'm giving her want she and most all ladies want ( whats in my fucking wallet), It's mostly an I scratch your back you scratch mine situation when I have a hook up on something I don't ask her for anything in return, I just figured she wouldn't expect anything more when hooking me up as well.

I had a dumbass attack in my last post, my sincre apoligies for anyone and everyone I offended, my lips kinda get loose when I get over medicated:(.

I would like to say though if your getting nothing out of banging ugly chicks, your doing it wrong.

[Soda]

I had a dumbass attack in my last post, my sincre apoligies for anyone and everyone I offended, my lips kinda get loose when I get over medicated:(.

Self deprication is a one way street. Apologize, but never call yourself a dumbass. I won't stand for it, and neither will the community.

[Tea Time]

I hadn't replied to this post until now. I had read it earlier, before it was closed and reopened, but just hadn't replied because I didn't really feel that I had much of anything to add.

I didn't vote because I haven't ever paid for sex or whored myself out, but I have nothing against those who do. And as for the other two options, I never would rule anything out completely and I am not totally repulsed or disgusted by it as the last choice would indicate.

In my personal opinion, I think that prostitution should be illegal if someone chooses to do it of their own volition. (This of course meaning that they weren't forced into it by someone else)

If it were to be legalized, I would think that it could be managed in much the same way it is in other parts of the world. The sex workers have united to form unions which give them a voice to speak for them and their collective best interests'. Also, it allows the sex workers to register to be able to be tested for diseases to help prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS.

Another thing that I wanted to post was an example of just how ridiculous things have gotten here in the United States. I heard about it on my local news, but I haven't been able to find a link.

The story is basically that a woman who has admitted to being a prostitute was picked up by a man. They negotiated and agreed on a price for sex and he drove her back to a hotel room. He proceeded to pay the woman the agreed upon amount ($50.00) and then proceeded to have sex with the man. As he was finishing, four additional men (friends/accomplices of the original john) entered the room. They proceeded to hold the woman on the bed and each took turns raping her and sodomizing her. This apparently continued for around four to five hours. Then supposedly they dragged the woman to their car and dropped her off half naked on a street corner several miles from where the incident happened. She said that she told them that she would report them to the police and they laughed at her and said that the police would never believe a hooker.

Fast forward a little bit: the police identify the men repsonsible and pass the information on to the distric attorney. The DA, in all of his infinite wisdom :mad:, decided NOT to charge the man with forcible rape and sodomy, but to instead charge the four additional men with "theft of services" and decided not to charge the first man at all due to the fact that he paid for his "services."

Even more outrageous was that a judge actually upheld these charges. From the story that I heard, the judge is now facing scrutiny and possible disciplinary action for this case.

I can hardly believe that such a miscarriage of justice could happen in this country. Okay, well maybe it's not that hard to believe. But it still is fucking bullshit.

The first man should have been charged for his part in the rape. And clearly and very obviously, the four men should have been charged with forcible rape and sodomy instead of "theft of services." Just for anyone who isn't clear: "Theft of services" is the same charge that someone would face if they ran out on a check at a restaurant or something similar to that.

I know that the last story was off topic a bit, but I still thought that it was relevant to the topic at hand. When I have a bit more time later, I will try to find a link and post it. Take care,

TT

[SurfRat]

I kinda think too that it is degrees, that we are all whoring ourselves on some level, unless we get real lucky in life.

There is nothing wrong with it, morally etc. but it can take a toll, just like some guy who does work that endangers his health or well being. I know some women can really make it work, financially and as a business etc. But I don't think the average prostitute has that great a time of it.

It should be legal, follow whatever business codes etc. And leave it alone.

I think all relationships are somewhat predatory, love if it exists, grows over time in relationships to help keep the tribal/familial group together, the better for preservation in a hostile world. So there can be love even though there may be money or power or whatever motivation in the mix, not always but they can coexist.

People are devious selfish creatures, half the time we have no idea what we are and the rest of the time we are exploiting it.

[Soda]

I kinda think too that it is degrees, that we are all whoring ourselves on some level

Finally someone agrees with me. I would pay people on the street to sit in my car, listen to me, and agree with everything I say. I don't think even Shelley could do that. Yes, that is a challenge. Bet you've never tried that before with a steamy piece of man meat like myself. Oh man, I am grossing out myself.

Shelley, you could really be a professional escort girl. Look at this picture below. These girls are way uglier than you. I think the going rate is 200 euros an hour or something ridiculous like that. Not even joking, dead serious. Disease free, fast money, I think it's straight up cool. I just worry about girls on the street, they shouldn't have to look for a trick, guys should look for THEM. Especially Shelly cause she's cool...even though she disagreed with my latest poll: http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=13921

By the way, yeah, I went out of my way to find the below picture. I DONT KNOW HER. When I run for office all of you are to say you never met me, got it? I WAS NEVER HERE.

I think all relationships are somewhat predatory, love if it exists, grows over time in relationships to help keep the tribal/familial group together, the better for preservation in a hostile world. So there can be love even though there may be money or power or whatever motivation in the mix, not always but they can coexist.

I can't believe how much I FUCKING AGREE WITH THIS MAN!


People are devious selfish creatures, half the time we have no idea what we are and the rest of the time we are exploiting it.

THATS IT! Surf rat, the next time you say something I agree with so much, I'm sending you $500.
NOBODY agrees with me here. You just got on my people-not-to-kill list. You rock.

[SurfRat]

^^^^^
Cheers!!:drinkit:

[Raz]

In my limited experience a big part of it is; what are you prostituting yourself for? If its drugs its sad, if its to keep your porsche and penthouse its all good yeah?
Man you gotta see the girls out here, not so much the street girls(its legal), but the girls who work in the clubs.No one on drugs is allowed to work there and theres regular health cheques and the girls are all protected big time.These girls are stunners, beautiful chicks.They are providing a service and getting well paid for it.Sex has too many hang ups attatched, if its two consenting adults, whats the prob.
I feel for girls working for a habit, societies gave them limited choices, but these girls working the clubs are something else. Believe me the punters are the suckers.......

[Soda]

In my limited experience a big part of it is; what are you prostituting yourself for? If its drugs its sad, if its to keep your porsche and penthouse its all good yeah?
Man you gotta see the girls out here, not so much the street girls(its legal), but the girls who work in the clubs.No one on drugs is allowed to work there and theres regular health cheques and the girls are all protected big time.These girls are stunners, beautiful chicks.They are providing a service and getting well paid for it.Sex has too many hang ups attatched, if its two consenting adults, whats the prob.
I feel for girls working for a habit, societies gave them limited choices, but these girls working the clubs are something else. Believe me the punters are the suckers.......

You cant say the same thing is sad for one reason, and okay for another reason. You have to look at the action itself, the motives are personal and not for you to judge.

[eerased]

That doesn't make any sense?? What is the difference if your paying for your gramma's socks or your paying for your dope?? I dont get it. Truck drivers and nurses are drug tested to please dont think that it means they arent getting high..

Out of curiosity I'd love to know why it's sad to fuck for dope but not sad to fuck for your porsche??

Soda Look at dat I agree with you..^^ LOL



In my limited experience a big part of it is; what are you prostituting yourself for? If its drugs its sad, if its to keep your porsche and penthouse its all good yeah?
Man you gotta see the girls out here, not so much the street girls(its legal), but the girls who work in the clubs.No one on drugs is allowed to work there and theres regular health cheques and the girls are all protected big time.These girls are stunners, beautiful chicks.They are providing a service and getting well paid for it.Sex has too many hang ups attatched, if its two consenting adults, whats the prob.
I feel for girls working for a habit, societies gave them limited choices, but these girls working the clubs are something else. Believe me the punters are the suckers.......

[Soda]

Soda Look at dat I agree with you..^^ LOL

CHEERS MATE :drinkit:

[Raz]

That doesn't make any sense?? What is the difference if your paying for your gramma's socks or your paying for your dope?? I dont get it. Truck drivers and nurses are drug tested to please dont think that it means they arent getting high..

Out of curiosity I'd love to know why it's sad to fuck for dope but not sad to fuck for your porsche??

Soda Look at dat I agree with you..^^ LOL

I'll tell ya why its sad.Its sad that they aint got no other way to get their dope, not sad coz their selling pussy.Thats up to them and the bods who pay for it.But shit you dont think its sad, that there are no other options to keep your habit, girls have gotta sell. Porshe or penthouse the difference is, its a lifestyle choice without the hang up of keepin a cluck at bay.Thats my take on tings, alright geezer...

[eerased]

I see, I understand better now what you mean by your OP. I dont agree but thats ok.

Some girls choose to sell themselves for dope. They could also choose to bartend for dope it's the choice that they make. There are ALWAYS other options they just dont choose them.

PS. oh yea I've seen some cases that I really do find sad.

[Soda]

Dont call people geezers on my forums. Respect your elders. Like in China. Seriously.

[nick]

Dont call people geezers on my forums. Respect your elders. Like in China. Seriously.

Ummm......ok,but geezer is not an insult.It's a normal south London expression that has nothing to do with the elderly.

I guess this is a translation problem..............much as you'd have with the Chinese.

[eerased]

Thank goodness for this post cuz I didnt catch the geezer thing until Soda mentioned it..LOL But after he mentioned it I started well you know feeling bad or mad I guess because I am a bit older... But far from geezer..LOL
NOw that I know it's a regular term I guess I'm not mad...LOL I luvs the internet
Ummm......ok,but geezer is not an insult.It's a normal south London expression that has nothing to do with the elderly.

I guess this is a translation problem..............much as you'd have with the Chinese.

[Soda]

My mistake entirely.

[Duckfeet]

I like geezer. It's like saying I'm a junky. I like vocabulary that others find offensive. Me be geezer junky. Better than dead.

[Soda]

If someone called you a refined gentlemen with excellent taste in wines, a deep and caring personality, and childlike wonder, you would probably punch them in the face.

[nick]

Or,if you were from south London, you could say he was a diamond geezer.

[Soda]

I really like english people and I'm sorry we had that war with you, it was just taxes and shit. I still love the brits.

[nick]

I really like english people and I'm sorry we had that war with you, it was just taxes and shit. I still love the brits.

Ahh,but you gave us McDonalds and Elvis ,so we forgave you.

[Soda]

They are both fast and delicous. That doesn't make sense for elvis although his music was by some standards delicous.

[NV12]

Ahh,but you gave us McDonalds and Elvis ,so we forgave you.

Man, those Brits sure are easy to please... wish everyone was satisfied with just McD's and Elvis :D

Nice to see you around. Hope your little princess is doing well...

[red26]

prostitution. thats a heavy one. My most recent girl told me she was turnin tricks2 weeks after we hooked up. It didnt bother me at the time and progressivly , ultimately it did. Mainly because we'd be having a simple little dissagreement and sh'd answer that phone "katrina!" AT this point tho, I'm just getting out of Denver City Jail and was then transported to Denver county and then to my P.O. Rightnow I wish she was here waiting for me, but I did get a latter from where shes at"Boulder county jail" and this letter was written with one objection-to hurt me. and I dont know why, all I do know isthat she actually did manage to a few weakspots in my armour. she' just flipped "i loves youcalls 3 times a day to calling me a piece of shit? I'm sorry but the sckitzo routine aint even getting in th door.

I couldent reach her in any was being I was incarceraded for the last 2 weeks. I miss her very much but apparently I'm better off stickin with JERSEY GURLS. :(:(:(:(:hanged:BEN A WHILE SINCE i WAS ON HERE SOZ YOUZ NOZ I STILL GOT SOME KIK LEFT IN ME, BUT GET THIN REAL FAST

[Soda]

I have a girlfriend too. We just have a different kind of relationship. We don't speak to or see eachother ever, and are both happy with it. Oh, we also never will hopefully have anything to do with eachother. Thats my relationship and I'm not complaining. Count your blessings. At least you're not celibate like Soda. Yep, taht's right. Celibate.

[upstate_007]

Ahh,but you gave us McDonalds and Elvis ,so we forgave you.

Yup.

You guys came up with football. Now we have our version of "football" (which I loathe).

We invented lasers though. And that right there is about the most awesome thing I can think of. Well, that or sharks with laser beam things attached to their heads.

[xxkmanxx]

nope, never done that, and i dont plan to either. Thats jus so bad and degrating.

[supa325]

Prostitution is one thing. I understand (sort of) why people do it. But the thing I hate almost more than anything are pimps. I hate the occupation, I hate the fact it's become a adjective implying something is cool. I don't know if people realize that pimps make money simply on being slave traders. They do dick (no pun intended), except beat the fuck out of girls who are doing something (admit it) demeaning, and get paid. I don't know how they can look at themselves in the mirror without seeing their mother, and not feel the least bit of shame.

[Soda]

Prostitution is one thing. I understand (sort of) why people do it. But the thing I hate almost more than anything are pimps. I hate the occupation, I hate the fact it's become a adjective implying something is cool. I don't know if people realize that pimps make money simply on being slave traders. They do dick (no pun intended), except beat the fuck out of girls who are doing something (admit it) demeaning, and get paid. I don't know how they can look at themselves in the mirror without seeing their mother, and not feel the least bit of shame.

Being a hoe and being a pimp are both choices, but they are both things that some people find themsevles doing without realizing how far they've gone.
Being a pimp is cool in a lot of ways, and not all pimps hit girls. Also, pimps don't force girls to turn tricks for them, girls choose to have a pimp to take care of them like a boyfriend, and they like the pimp because on a certain day he will take them out and treat them right and protect them like a boyfriend.
It's not slave trade. Pimps do not trade slaves. Pimps don't trade one bitch for another, nor do the pimps buy the bitches. They just demand money, which is something all of us should do if we want to get somewhere in life.
If I looked in the mirror and saw my mother, it would probably mean I was turning into a woman, so I don't know what you mean with that one.
Once again though, not all pimps are violent, and the girls choose to be with them. If you can understand being a hoe, you should DEFINATELY understand being a pimp. Lots of girls, lots of money, lots of respect. And they choose the people they sleep with out of love, not money.

[supa325]

Being a hoe and being a pimp are both choices, but they are both things that some people find themsevles doing without realizing how far they've gone.
Being a pimp is cool in a lot of ways, and not all pimps hit girls. Also, pimps don't force girls to turn tricks for them, girls choose to have a pimp to take care of them like a boyfriend, and they like the pimp because on a certain day he will take them out and treat them right and protect them like a boyfriend.
It's not slave trade. Pimps do not trade slaves. Pimps don't trade one bitch for another, nor do the pimps buy the bitches. They just demand money, which is something all of us should do if we want to get somewhere in life.
If I looked in the mirror and saw my mother, it would probably mean I was turning into a woman, so I don't know what you mean with that one.
Once again though, not all pimps are violent, and the girls choose to be with them. If you can understand being a hoe, you should DEFINATELY understand being a pimp. Lots of girls, lots of money, lots of respect. And they choose the people they sleep with out of love, not money.

The girls don't fucking choose to be with them. Give me one example where a prostitute says "I'd rather be pimped out, than out of this racket for good."

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Either you were joking or a you're a fucking mope.

[Soda]

Rather than tell you to go fuck yourself, why don't I request that you explain to me how a pimp is able to use his superhuman hypnotic powers to force a girl to turn tricks for him against her will. Please tell me. Considering you're a woman and obviously a slut you should know, you stupid cocksucker.

[supa325]

How about: go fuck yourself.


If I do, you gonna want 70%?

[Soda]

100% you dumb fuck. Pimps like me don't give a percentage to our hoes.

[supa325]

Point proven. Thanks Soda!

[Soda]

You're welcome, I try.

[supa325]

Rather than tell you to go fuck yourself, why don't I request that you explain to me how a pimp is able to use his superhuman hypnotic powers to force a girl to turn tricks for him against her will. Please tell me. Considering you're a woman and obviously a slut you should know, you stupid cocksucker.

First off, I'm not a woman. Sorry.

Secondly, it's a loss of self respect and self esteem. A girl goes out, makes $20 for blowing some nasty fucking smelly degenerate, the pimp comes around, checks to see how much she's made throughout the night. Takes a hefty percentage. So not only does she not make shit, she now has "sucks dick for next to nothing but protection" over her head. You think she can just run out grab a good paying job, enough to move away so she can't be found, and live on her own, without going back to turning tricks? You can manipulate anyone with a low self esteem, so long as you're promising a better life, regardless if you're delivering or not.

[Soda]

First off, I'm not a woman. Sorry.

Secondly, it's a loss of self respect and self esteem. A girl goes out, makes $20 for blowing some nasty fucking smelly degenerate, the pimp comes around, checks to see how much she's made throughout the night. Takes a hefty percentage. So not only does she not make shit, she now has "sucks dick for next to nothing but protection" over her head. You think she can just run out grab a good paying job, enough to move away so she can't be found, and live on her own, without going back to turning tricks? You can manipulate anyone with a low self esteem, so long as you're promising a better life, regardless if you're delivering or not.

You sound like a woman.
No one has to suck dick, but some people do it because they want money. It's actually illegal, little known secret.
If you can manipulate anyone with low self esteem, I must have low self esteem, because you really turned the tables on me with that point proven thing, that was witty.

[supa325]

You sound like a woman.
No one has to suck dick, but some people do it because they want money. It's actually illegal, little known secret.
If you can manipulate anyone with low self esteem, I must have low self esteem, because you really turned the tables on me with that point proven thing, that was witty.

So is calling me a woman. You got to have what? a brain of a eight? nine year old?

Hitler was also a person with great mind controlling powers. He just put a spell out on millions of germans and austrians, and poof! World War Two.

[Soda]

So is calling me a woman. You got to have what? a brain of a eight? nine year old?

Hitler was also a person with great mind controlling powers. He just put a spell out on millions of germans and austrians, and poof! World War Two.

Not only do I collect the brains of nine year olds but I'm also a pimp.
And yes, I'm probably going to be the next Hitler too.

[supa325]

I guess that settles that argument.

[Soda]

I didn't realize we were having one.

[scarlettt]

Not trying to get in the middle of you guys argument or anything... but i do have a question. Or more of a random wondering.

How much protection can a pimp really offer if said female is alone with the trick in his car or whatever? Why even have them... why not just work for yourself?

^^ Not trying to be a smartass or anything... I'm actually curious.

[EleusisII]

I guess I don't mind getting in the middle of the argument.

Supa: You're pushing a stereotype of a pimp that's just as constructive and rare, like the stereotýpe of the asian/latino/Eastern European woman who's sold into prostitution/white slavetrade.

Do asshole pimps who take all of their ho's money, beat her and force her to sex exist? Yeah, but not nearly as often as in the movies.
Many, if not most pimps outside of the worst ghettos are guys who yes, take a percentage, but also drive out with her on jobs, sometimes pay for advertsing, and other business related costs. Is it fair? Hell yeah, it's just as much a job as sucking dick is.

And while some foreign woman get forced into prostitution, many of them chose it themselves. Knowing well that they can make a lot more in a brothel in Germany or the US, than in a shitty factory at home.
Is it a fair choice? Maybe not, but it's their choice to make. You don't give women enough credit, if you don't think that they aren't capable of making that kind of choice for them selves: If they should go into prostitution, and if they need a pimp for protection and the business side of things.

Not all prostitutes are happy prostitutes. But plenty of them are happy with the choice they made. They get to work less hours, make pretty good money, spend more time with their kids and families. Yes prostitutes get married and have kids too... Shocking, isn't it!

[Soda]

HOW DARE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH TO ME YOU SMARTASS.
Just kidding. We REALLY ARENT ARGUING. No one is arguing. No one. Okay? No one.

When a girl is doing tricks her pimp can't literally protect her, you know, but if the guy she's tricking on knows she's working for a pimp that's some incentive to stay away from the rough stuff you feel me. Smartasss. Just kidding. No one is fighting.

[Raz]

Like i said b4, have a look at the girls working the clubs out here.ones called club skala,so its probably on the net.And its the punters are the suckers...
But street girls,workin for a habit is a whole nother ting.Prostitution is legal here...Is it legal in Denmark?I would think so,Denmarks pretty liberal right?

[Soda]

When I visited the red light district a lot of the girls had their husbands or whatever sort of watching them. IT wasn't like a pimp exactly, but they were definately helping the girls by keeping an eye on them cause some guys, if not most guys, can get pretty nuts...i guess if a girl finds a guy rare enough to be a person who looks out for her...be him a pimp or a husband or a brothel employer...than good for her...and good for her safety...i guess thats my feeling all along during this argument that really wasnt an argument...

[EleusisII]

No, those guys would be pimps...

[Soda]

Oh, well, I'm american so I didn't know.

[scarlettt]

You're such an american, you smartass.



The argument that wasn't actually an argument, but could have become a real argument, should definately become an argument I say.




Or not.

[Soda]

You must want a piece of this. Well let me tell you girlfriend, you better bring it.

[scarlettt]

I wanna peice. YOU better bring it.











How much funnier would it have been if I had added a "Homie" to that?

*Edit - Soda... you do know I'm just playing don't you?

[Soda]

I know, I took a nap.
I really use these forums like a computer game. So don't worry if I suddenly stop posting for 20 years, it doesn't mean anything. It's all a game to me. I'm sorry I went to sleep on you. Allow me to wipe the drool spot from your pants.

[Soda]

Damn brothers and sisters, it got quiet around these parts. The topic is hoes. Talk.

[EleusisII]

Ever been with one? If so why? How was it?

[Soda]

I've never been with one mostly because I haven't really had the option. Even though I am an aspiring junky and general failure ;), I still have one of those families whose voices you hear in your head whenever you're about to do something immoral. I think that's what's held me back. Also, I'm sort of a romantic who believes in the love thing and all the romance and gayness that goes with the idea...so the idea of paying someone for sex has always been somehow revolting to my soul. I feel like there's so much more and man and a woman can have between them than sex, and I feel that those things are worth more money, if one chooses to put a dollar sign before matters of the heart.

[scarlettt]

I've always wondered how the male prostitues are able to perform.

I mean with women it's different... I'm not going to say why... so just use your imagination pervomalervos (jk :p), but seriously...

..what if his client is a 82 year old woman? Or to complicate matters he's strait, and the client is a 82 year old man? How is a guy able to ..do what he needs to do??

[upstate_007]

I've always wondered how the male prostitues are able to perform.

I mean with women it's different... I'm not going to say why... so just use your imagination pervomalervos (jk :p), but seriously...

..what if his client is a 82 year old woman? Or to complicate matters he's strait, and the client is a 82 year old man? How is a guy able to ..do what he needs to do??

Viagra, closed eyes and a vivid imagination.

[SeVeN]

I've always wondered how the male prostitues are able to perform.

I mean with women it's different... I'm not going to say why... so just use your imagination pervomalervos (jk :p), but seriously...

..what if his client is a 82 year old woman? Or to complicate matters he's strait, and the client is a 82 year old man? How is a guy able to ..do what he needs to do??

To tell the truth I was so confused at one point I confused a girls pills for a healthy (fun) relationship. So Basicly I think I was whoring, I just cut out the middle man.

And like Scarlett points out the truth is if your a man prostitute, you can make lots of money, but your clients are guys. Most guys can't handle that and I know I couldn't. Personaly I'd rather be sick. But If someone can do it, I wouldn't look down on them because I KNOW that I'm no better than anyone else.

[nick]

Viagra, closed eyes and a vivid imagination.

You forgot to mention money man...........I'd imagine the money helps a lot.

[scarlettt]

But If someone can do it, I wouldn't look down on them because I KNOW that I'm no better than anyone else.



Yeah, me neither. I could'nt look down on someone for doing what they feel (at the time) they need to do. It isn't like someone aspires to be a prostitue when they're a little kid. We're all works in progress, and no one is perfect.

Even people who ride around on the "high horse", have done things they aren't proud of. I would never judge anyone, unless they've commited rape or molestation.... or something along those lines.

[upstate_007]

You forgot to mention money man...........I'd imagine the money helps a lot.

Ahh yes. That magic ingredient. All the Viagra in the world aint gonna make me want to bump uglies with an 82 year old woman without getting paid.

[Raz]

I've always wondered how the male prostitues are able to perform.

I mean with women it's different... I'm not going to say why... so just use your imagination pervomalervos (jk :p), but seriously...

..what if his client is a 82 year old woman? Or to complicate matters he's strait, and the client is a 82 year old man? How is a guy able to ..do what he needs to do??

I never ever wanna know the answer to this ? Quote, i never ever wanna know the answer to this ?
Oh shit gotta go and take my 80yr old cousin to cash his vet cheque, i'll get back to ya in a minute...
What was the ?

[Princess]

Here I am, late as always.

I've never sold my bod for drugs or money.. and don't knock those that have or do.

HOWEVER... I am VERY guilty of staying with a guy I really didn't want to (anymore) because he had a shit load of money and access to whatever drug I desired. So, all in all, it's the same fucking thing.

[youwonhundred]

I never ever wanna know the answer to this ? Quote, i never ever wanna know the answer to this ?
Oh shit gotta go and take my 80yr old cousin to cash his vet cheque, i'll get back to ya in a minute...
What was the ?

Once again, homey, "To Raz or not to Raz?"

I guess mebbe some people get a cash erection? Or they OD on viagra to get the job done? Sorry, but you said you didn't want to know, so I assumed you really did want some plausible answer.

Just fuckin' with you, bro.

[allyouneedislove]

Here I am, late as always.

I've never sold my bod for drugs or money.. and don't knock those that have or do.

HOWEVER... I am VERY guilty of staying with a guy I really didn't want to (anymore) because he had a shit load of money and access to whatever drug I desired. So, all in all, it's the same fucking thing.
i think most or at least a good portion of us have done this.
i have. :o a guy who gives me opiates its 10x more attractive than one who does not give me drugs.:p

[hydrolaw]

Luckily my drugs are free and I wont ever have to do this.(Hopefully) but like someone said earlier, a guy has to be somethin out of a chippendales show to get anyone to pay him for it so im probably a no-go.

[Princess]

i think most or at least a good portion of us have done this.
i have. :o a guy who gives me opiates its 10x more attractive than one who does not give me drugs.:p

It just really upsets me, personally. I consider myself a very considerate junky. I'd NEVER screw someone over (unless they screwed me first, ha ha). So the fact that this relationship has been over, in my eyes, for 6 months and I've continued to drag it out simply for drugs, disgusts me. I have been a LOT better. I managed to really piss him off and now it is constant fighting... so I really *can't* use him for drugs anymore. Which today sucks ass because I'm sick :(

[Venus]

Here I am, late as always.

I've never sold my bod for drugs or money.. and don't knock those that have or do.

HOWEVER... I am VERY guilty of staying with a guy I really didn't want to (anymore) because he had a shit load of money and access to whatever drug I desired. So, all in all, it's the same fucking thing.

Ditto. Not proud of it and he was fun to hang with (as long as drugs were involved).

[Papa Verine]

Here's my take on the subject.

I've never done it personally but I have at least 3 (girl) friends who do it.

One of them is one tough bitch. She is one of the toughest people I know. I really don't ever want to get in a fight with this girl because... well, you get the point. She can do it! She doesn't give a fuck. She aint gonna' lose any sleep over it and she takes guys for all kinds of money and in reality, the men are getting the short end of the stick with her.

But the other two... they DO it but they build up A lot of guilt over it. They want the easy money, and it's better money then they could make doing anything else... but I let both of them know that I'm against it. The way they break down sometimes when the guilt and shame catches up with them isn't worth all the money in the world. It hurts them mentally and I see a huge difference between what they're doing and what my other friend is doing.

[Raz]

Here's my take on the subject.

I've never done it personally but I have at least 3 (girl) friends who do it.

One of them is one tough bitch. She is one of the toughest people I know. I really don't ever want to get in a fight with this girl because... well, you get the point. She can do it! She doesn't give a fuck. She aint gonna' lose any sleep over it and she takes guys for all kinds of money and in reality, the men are getting the short end of the stick with her.

But the other two... they DO it but they build up A lot of guilt over it. They want the easy money, and it's better money then they could make doing anything else... but I let both of them know that I'm against it. The way they break down sometimes when the guilt and shame catches up with them isn't worth all the money in the world. It hurts them mentally and I see a huge difference between what they're doing and what my other friend is doing.

This is a good take on it...Its like if you can tuff it out, cool...But for any thing easy in this life we all pay a price,one way or another....

[red26]

desperation brings out the worst in all of us
desperation for our drugs
some people steal, some people kill, some people write phony checks
some people sell their bodies
i don't believe that there is anything wrong with prostitution
you are using your body to perform a task
just like a construction worker or a broadway dancer
so you can get payed
sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
i've been a full time prostitute for 5 years
sometimes i enjoy it a lot
sometimes i close my eyes and pray for it to be over
but either way i walk away with dope/crack money
opinions? anyone else ever do the nasty in the pasty just to get high?
even once or twice?
i know a lot of people look down on girls like me
but i'm willing to take that risk

My ex was a prostitute and had been doing it for about 3 years. It tore me up inside to know that she was a junkie hooker and more so I was trying to help her than looking at the relationship with long term goals. She has 2 kids and before she got started on dope she was basically a computer genious , had two business', a home in the burbs , a couple cars and again a couple kids.

It turned out that she was extremely mentally ill in alot of ways, more than I could handle. I was with her for close to 9 months and the things she told me about made me want to find a way to protect her for the rest of my life but really it was pretty impossable to help her at the time nevermind forever.

She has an add on craigs list and asks for "donations" and she would ask me from time to time if I would turn her out and of course I would never, but she was asking because her ex husband was the one who started it all, not to say she did'nt go along with it but still. Underneath it all I did love her but the state of mind that came along with it all on both sides got really fucked up and I could'nt do it anymore. I have a real weakness for cocaine and she always had it, and she started to accuse me of only being with her for the coke. The whole thing sucked ass.

She lived out of hotels and trying to spend time with her was always a bitch because I had to fit inbetween 'clients'. Recently she got out of jail for grand larceny(?) identity theft, illegal wepons posession, drug parafenalia(?), and drug posession. The last letter she wrote me from inside had alot of threats and threats on my life because I let the relationship dissipate.

Back to subject- yes , I've done some really bad shit for drugs. Things I cant say.

[candyshop]

i agree with shelly that it is totally bizzare that you can give it away as often as you like provided that you do not benefit financially-
especially since so many relationships are based on some sort of trade off or tit for tat


i think the basis of anti-prostitution laws lies in the condescending paternalistic idea that women need to be protected from making stupid decisions

i do not think it is something i could do because i do not usually have enough self-discipline to force myself
to participate in stuff i'm not interested in (like the laundry)


i could see selling my vagina though,like on e-bay,i could have it surgically removed and transplanted to a cloned block of living meat- i would think that would be a good seller-
"all of the vagina,none of the hassle"
the new owner could give it hairstyles- n- stuff

plus vagina removal surgery probably would merit great meds

pretty much win/win

[Raz]

What would ya like in place of your Nu Nu? ^^^^
I hear some chics have a penis envy ting goin on?.....But of course not you, CS :p

[candyshop]

What would ya like in place of your Nu Nu? ^^^^
I hear some chics have a penis envy ting goin on?.....But of course not you, CS :p

a magical bottomless dope dispenser!

and you are quite right,not me,junk is lovely on a fella but i could not bear the "dangliness" of it all

[Raz]

a magical bottomless dope dispenser!

and you are quite right,not me,junk is lovely on a fella but i could not bear the "dangliness" of it all

Candy shop, that gave me my first laugh today.....The " Dangliness " of it all....Some guys who get nervous quick aint even got that goin on...Major shrinkage....
But yeah i got some "Dangliness" goin on...but a dope dispenser sounds real good.BOTH of my favourite things in the same place....Thats my idea of heaven.....:cool::)

[I-Nod]

Wow, Candyshop! You make things hard on a guy... "a magical bottomless dope dispenser" or a vagina? Decisions, decisions. (Just playin'... I wouldn't change a thing.)

And "dangliness" had me rollin'. I'll have to add that to the vocab.

Hairstyles?? :D "Yes, I'd like to order the Block of Living Meat... yes, uh huh... with the 'Landing Strip' hairstyle, please."

[upstate_007]

a magical bottomless dope dispenser!



Can you imagine how eager guys would be for going down on a lady if there was a dope dispenser down there? Stay there for hours till she realizes I've nodded out.

[red26]

i agree with shelly that it is totally bizzare that you can give it away as often as you like provided that you do not benefit financially-
especially since so many relationships are based on some sort of trade off or tit for tat


i think the basis of anti-prostitution laws lies in the condescending paternalistic idea that women need to be protected from making stupid decisions

i do not think it is something i could do because i do not usually have enough self-discipline to force myself
to participate in stuff i'm not interested in (like the laundry)


i could see selling my vagina though,like on e-bay,i could have it surgically removed and transplanted to a cloned block of living meat- i would think that would be a good seller-
"all of the vagina,none of the hassle"
the new owner could give it hairstyles- n- stuff

plus vagina removal surgery probably would merit great meds

pretty much win/win
Now that sounds logical. Who was it that did the song "detatchable penis"?

[Raz]

Now that sounds logical. Who was it that did the song "detatchable penis"?


I think it was by that band "portable nuts"...

[Soda]

At least in America and other powerful countries women seem to be on the up and up, there have been maternalistic societies in the past they may rise again, there's no reason to think men wont one day have vagina envy.

[scikid]

Can't say that I have, and hopefully I'm past the point where I'll ever get addicted enough to ever consider it.

But I def. don't look on people who choose to do it. People need to do what they have to in order to survive. When it comes to prosititution I've seen girls who don't give a fuck all the way up to ones who were very careful. At my local needle exchange where I voluteered we gave/give out "crack kits" aimed at our crack using prostitution population (which is very high, my city is still seeing an expanding crack user base, 20+ years later...)

I think it helped, most of these girls felt that nobody even cared about them. I personally would like to see it legalized, not that I encourage that behavior but it would make it much more safer and regulated.

[HowLongIsTooLong]

Hairstyles?? :D "Yes, I'd like to order the Block of Living Meat... yes, uh huh... with the 'Landing Strip' hairstyle, please."

"I'll have the hair pie please... extra whip on the side..."

D

[HowLongIsTooLong]

I think it was by that band "portable nuts"...

And that was King Missile... of the album 'Happy Hour'... they had a song on that disc called 'VulvaVoid'... really amazing album to tell the truth... a cut called 'Ed' was my fave... it included the lyric: 'Yes it was me... I sawed the legs off of the periodic Table...' haha!

D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQKS4_Y7QCI

[OxyQueen]

Now that sounds logical. Who was it that did the song "detatchable penis"?

I LOVE that song.....i always so that to hubby, i wish his cock was detachable...then i could use it when i want. Perfectly shaped

As for the "poll" i used to be a stripper so, YES i've taken my clothes off and had sex for money/drugs/trips to Islands/cars/clothes.....sugar daddies used to be the BEST

Now i've done a total flip and am stripper gone mommy-happy housewife....go figure!

Hubby's lucky, i keep telling him to install one of them stripper poles in the bedroom.

[poonwhalla]

And that was King Missile... of the album 'Happy Hour'... they had a song on that disc called 'VulvaVoid'... really amazing album to tell the truth... a cut called 'Ed' was my fave... it included the lyric: 'Yes it was me... I sawed the legs off of the periodic Table...' haha!

D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQKS4_Y7QCI

Fuck yeah king Missile! I actually opened a show for the singer's spoken word around 93-94. it was pretty cool he had all these props for his poems like a box of socks . I have so many fucking socks. He had a blow up doll too for the spoken version of Martin Scorsese song. that was a great album!!

[HowLongIsTooLong]

This one is called Martin Scorsese

He makes the best fucken films ...He makes the best fucken films... If I ever meet him I'm gonna grab his fucken neck and just shake him... And say thank you... thank you for makin' such excellent fucken movies... Then I'd twist his nose... all the way the fuck around... And then rip off one of his ears... and throw it... Like a... like a... like a fucken frisbee... I wanna chew his fucken lips off and grab his head and suck out one of his eyes and chew on it... and spit it out in his face
And thank you... thank you for all of your fucken films... Then I'd pick him up by the hair... swing him over my head a few times... And throw him across the room... and kick all his fucken teeth in and then... stomp on his face 40 or 50 times...

Cuz he makes the best fucken films... he makes the best fucken films...

I've ever seen...

in my life

I fucken love him
I fucken love him

...all from memory... I love this shit

[poonwhalla]

I bet you keep a bowl of milk by your bed to remember your dreams too huh HLITL?

[Dances with Smack]

This one is called Martin Scorsese

He makes the best fucken films ...He makes the best fucken films... If I ever meet him I'm gonna grab his fucken neck and just shake him... And say thank you... thank you for makin' such excellent fucken movies... Then I'd twist his nose... all the way the fuck around... And then rip off one of his ears... and throw it... Like a... like a... like a fucken frisbee... I wanna chew his fucken lips off and grab his head and suck out one of his eyes and chew on it... and spit it out in his face
And thank you... thank you for all of your fucken films... Then I'd pick him up by the hair... swing him over my head a few times... And throw him across the room... and kick all his fucken teeth in and then... stomp on his face 40 or 50 times...

Cuz he makes the best fucken films... he makes the best fucken films...

I've ever seen...

in my life

I fucken love him
I fucken love him

...all from memory... I love this shit

:D

Tell us you REALLY feel, bro...

[HowLongIsTooLong]

I bet you keep a bowl of milk by your bed to remember your dreams too huh HLITL?

*sails over HLITL's head*

And DWS, I like to keep it obscure.

D

[upstate_007]

I bet you keep a bowl of milk by your bed to remember your dreams too huh HLITL?

*sails over HLITL's head*

And DWS, I like to keep it obscure.

D

Is that like....

stick your sleeping friends hand in warm water and he pisses his pj's
stick their hand in milk and they remember their dreams

Just fucking around. That one went over my noggin as well.

[Raz]

I LOVE that song.....i always so that to hubby, i wish his cock was detachable...then i could use it when i want. Perfectly shaped

As for the "poll" i used to be a stripper so, YES i've taken my clothes off and had sex for money/drugs/trips to Islands/cars/clothes.....sugar daddies used to be the BEST

Now i've done a total flip and am stripper gone mommy-happy housewife....go figure!

Hubby's lucky, i keep telling him to install one of them stripper poles in the bedroom.

Very honest..And just for the record, ya wouldnt havta mention that pole more than once.It would be installed that very day.http://forum.opiophile.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

[red26]

I bet you keep a bowl of milk by your bed to remember your dreams too huh HLITL?
Ya' know poon I dont get it either. I thought you were my friend man. Why would you hide something like this from me? Why havent we ever spoken about anything like this before? For 10 years we've been finishing each others sentences , but this...well this is uncalled for man.;)

[poonwhalla]

*sails over HLITL's head*

And DWS, I like to keep it obscure.

D

It was a line from a king missal album in order to remember you dreams you must think of them as if you were a little kitten...

[Groggy]

well yeah when I was younger

I'm afraid there ain't much $$ value left.

and I'm sure if stamp bags were the norm here in the buckle of the bible belt I'd be a difrnt guy:confused:

[frankie]

i don't look down on you at all...
i've had dealers want to be my boyfriend, who promised rainbows of cocaine and heroin in return.
i think that would almost be harder, having to pretend to love someone.
but i was always ok in the money department,, i had a huge salary.. and yes, every cent went up my arms.
tI also think that you are sometimes forced into a situation were just have to do what you have too. I am an attractive female and have been propositioned before for drugs, but i
just had to say no, since i get my rx's paid for by my insurance but i have to honestly say if put in that position again and my scripts weren't covered i would have to re think that no bcause like i said you have to do what is best for you...only my opinion..........and anyways who the hell wants to b dope sick
:)

frankie

[red26]

On a lighter note, I spoke with my ex the other week and found out shes clean and aint hookin no mo. It really made me happy cuz it was just a nightmare bein basically her pimp. For instance one night we're justridin in the car and she breaks out a bottle of benadryl and swallows the whole f-in thing B4 I could do anything. Where she had taken her self made her want to die and I was running outta reasons for her to stay alive. Fuck that was hard. Everyone told me "no no" but I'm sayin yes yes cuz she smokin hot and well you know how that goes. Pretty funny when a pro finds a way to payyou for sex huh?
but yeah, she all mommied out now and tryin ta keep it straight. I'l be syin a prayer for her tonight.

[jdub]

On a lighter note, I spoke with my ex the other week and found out shes clean and aint hookin no mo. It really made me happy cuz it was just a nightmare bein basically her pimp. For instance one night we're justridin in the car and she breaks out a bottle of benadryl and swallows the whole f-in thing B4 I could do anything. Where she had taken her self made her want to die and I was running outta reasons for her to stay alive. Fuck that was hard. Everyone told me "no no" but I'm sayin yes yes cuz she smokin hot and well you know how that goes. Pretty funny when a pro finds a way to payyou for sex huh?
but yeah, she all mommied out now and tryin ta keep it straight. I'l be syin a prayer for her tonight.

I love stories with a happy ending. Props for her!!

[red26]

I love stories with a happy ending. Props for her!!
Yeah it took a stint in county for prostitution, theft, identity theft, possession, and 1 er 2 others to get it together. shit the gurl got 2 kids alreaddy and wound up with my twins and an abortion I mean I could go on and on about the shit we went thru but hey like you said, a good ending.