tramadol as a substitute?

[nikita70]

hi, guys,

does anybody of you have some long lasting expieriences with using tramadol?

My hubby back home from a detox few days ago - in generall I couldn't call it "detox": just decreasing his methadone dose as low as possible - and then switched for tramadol, not without to pay any "wd-price" of course (the solution must square always:D), but quite successfull at last.
His currently dose is about 75-100mgs of tramadol per day, plus benzos (clonazepam to not become epilepsy and Dormicum-midazolam to sleep).

Tramadol is a medicine with some strange side effects, not likely other opiate-based. Seems it could cause epilepsy(actually it could be used only with the benzos associated(related?), unless you have a feeling of muscle tension, just like you would be nearly epilepsy...). And as I can remember it works like speed in some part, especially if taken on wd, as a substitute or for make the wd milder.

Would like to find out if the idea of tramadol-substitution does have any sense, or maybe is it dangerous? I know they usually don't prescribe tramadol as substitute, but I don't know the reason, why not?
(Probably most users don't find any accomplishing/satisfaction to take it. As far I can remind my old detoxes, I was getting relief only in body-wd terms, for my mind it was to not avail - but maybe it's the issue of my private attitude/approach(?) to opiates (sooo much bothered(?)) in this times.
Luckily my hubby's is much more "sceptic" for opiates timely, he struggles mostly with his physical-wd than with his mind "temptations".)

Oh, and how about the tramadol-wds? Is it hard to achieve?

n.

[doctor diesel]

I use Tramadol to avoid H WDs and it works very effectively.
There's just one symptom it doesn't tackle though, and that's the hot/cold sweats.
Everything else, it removes.


Doc

[the_florist]

Tramadol will help with opiate withdrawals. it is technically not an opiate, but has some activity related to opiates, which is why it can give some relief from withdrawals.

seizures at high doses (more than 700mg orally) have been reported, but the max recommended amount per day is no more than 400mg. some people are susceptible to seizures and thus have a lower seizure threshold. Tramadol may induce seizures in lower doses with these people. it is frequently teamed-up with a benzodiazepine to prevent this seizure activity. Tramadol does not *cause* epilepsy.

withdrawal symptoms from Tramadol are possible if you have been taking it daily for a little while. Tramadol, in addition to its opiate-activity, has anti-depressant activity (SSRI) similar to Effexor - an A-D medication. most people think that Tramadol w/d's are a walk in the park compared to most other opiates, although it can make you uncomfortable. as with other 'opiates', 2 weeks of daily use should be enough to produce withdrawal symptoms upon abrupt cessation of use (depending on dose, physiology, etc.).

and like you said, most opiate users do not get 'high' from Tramadol as it is only a partial opiate agonist, as compared to full-on opiate agonists (real opiates).

there are TONS of Tramadol-related posts on this forum if you do a search.

[nick]

I pmed you sis.So,all I have to say here is much luck with your and Mr Nikita's tapers.

[doctor diesel]

Tramadol withdrawals are hideous - believe me. Been there, done that.

[slugbone]

trams have this weird feeling with w/d i got bad restless leg syndrome and the typical head creeps. it's impossible to sleep and you feel like jumping out of your skin, etc...

i've been a daily user of trams for 2+ years now. by daily i mean 300-400 mg per day without exception. if you want to get off them just wean down 25-50mg every other day or so and it is relatively painless.

siezures have been reported at higher doses so stay away from anything over 400mg. i personally thing the drug works well, it is also a mood elevator and gives a mild speedy feeling. too much at night makes it hard to sleep for me. it lasts a long time for a synthetic opiate 6-8 hours.

i mix & match it with whatever i have and it works well with whatever opiates you have. it's bad with booze though. it's been a lifesaver for me getting off alcohol and stretching my opiate product

[jonny-5]

Tramadol will help with opiate withdrawals. it is technically not an opiate, but has some activity related to opiates, which is why it can give some relief from withdrawals.

seizures at high doses (more than 700mg orally) have been reported, but the max recommended amount per day is no more than 400mg. some people are susceptible to seizures and thus have a lower seizure threshold. Tramadol may induce seizures in lower doses with these people. it is frequently teamed-up with a benzodiazepine to prevent this seizure activity. Tramadol does not *cause* epilepsy.

withdrawal symptoms from Tramadol are possible if you have been taking it daily for a little while. Tramadol, in addition to its opiate-activity, has anti-depressant activity (SSRI) similar to Effexor - an A-D medication. most people think that Tramadol w/d's are a walk in the park compared to most other opiates, although it can make you uncomfortable. as with other 'opiates', 2 weeks of daily use should be enough to produce withdrawal symptoms upon abrupt cessation of use (depending on dose, physiology, etc.).

and like you said, most opiate users do not get 'high' from Tramadol as it is only a partial opiate agonist, as compared to full-on opiate agonists (real opiates).

there are TONS of Tramadol-related posts on this forum if you do a search.

i dont think she was saying it did, i think she was saying "epillepsy" when she mean "seizures."

[Black_Pony]

It seems there is a bit of a language barrier going on here, but your English is surprisingly great Niki!

Firstly, 100mg of Tramadol a day is NOTHING. That is a recommended single dose.

I think that if your Husband can handle opiate detox using Tramadol, this guy should get the Nobel prize for absolute greatness! (If there is not yet a prize for that, they should invent a new one just for him)

That being said, your Husband should be able to handle coming off Tramadol, NO PROBLEM, especially at those low doses. Assuming you were wrong about his dose, I suggest a taper as opposed to stopping the medication abruptly.

In other words, good luck and if you two have made it this far the worst is over!

[limitless_euphoria]

Tramadol is like a pseudo-opiate. It's effectiveness varies in person to person. For some 1 50 mg tramadol = 1/3 to 1/2 a 5 mg vicodin. For others they don't even compare. Some people claim if they take three or four they "get off," but I agree that it behaves like a partial agonist. It is great to counter w/d's.

In fact, if you can score a dozen or so of them and maybe a dozen or so percs/vics you can use the two to potentiate each other and w/d off morphine/H/whatever other harder opiates. It's kind of like a cousin to suboxone except there's no antagonist agent (nalaxone). Some people claim it's great for their chronic pain (they're using it a lot now for people 60+ who bitch about being in pain a lot that don't require full-blown narcotics). Someone who works in a hospital told me that for a fact. Plus, a lot of doctors do not acknowledge that it's addictive at all so if all in all you have some degree of pain, you find it impossible to completely give up opiates and opiate related things give tramadol a shot. Remember, if they're 50 mg's you really don't want to exceed 8 of those suckers a day.

The other thing is, they're about as easy as benzos to order offline and there are a *lot* more OP's that will ship it if you fill out basic questions and give a c/c. It's schedule III so the DEA isn't up the medical industry's ass about it. I almost think they figure if they let opiate addicts get away with buying it online perhaps it's the least of all the evils. Otherwise I couldn't help but think they'd bust more OPs for making it so readily available.

Just my $0.02. I'm not the foremost authority but I've known people on it and I've researched it myself.

[Paregoric Kid]

tramadol is a 4-phenyl-piperidine analogue of codeine. tramadol itself has a low affinity for the mu opioid receptor but it is sometimes thought of as a prodrug because the M1 metabolite is 200 times stronger than tramadol itself at binding to the mu receptor. also M1's halflife is 9 hours as compared to 6 hours for tramadol. I'd say it's pretty good for wd. I wish it would get approved for use in addiction treatment like buprenorphine. it also has antidepressant effects because of it's SNRI properties and it also effects the GABAergic system. if you really wanted to quit opiates tramadol would be a good drug to switch to and taper off of.

[the_florist]

i dont think she was saying it did, i think she was saying "epillepsy" when she mean "seizures."

"Seems it could cause epilepsy"...

she did SAY that it could, although that's probably not what she meant - which i knew. i was just setting her straight since she asked for information.

thanks for picking out that single sentence. :rolleyes:

[ProdigalSon]

hi, guys,

does anybody of you have some long lasting expieriences with using tramadol?

My hubby back home from a detox few days ago - in generall I couldn't call it "detox": just decreasing his methadone dose as low as possible - and then switched for tramadol, not without to pay any "wd-price" of course (the solution must square always:D), but quite successfull at last.
His currently dose is about 75-100mgs of tramadol per day, plus benzos (clonazepam to not become epilepsy and Dormicum-midazolam to sleep).

Tramadol is a medicine with some strange side effects, not likely other opiate-based. Seems it could cause epilepsy(actually it could be used only with the benzos associated(related?), unless you have a feeling of muscle tension, just like you would be nearly epilepsy...). And as I can remember it works like speed in some part, especially if taken on wd, as a substitute or for make the wd milder.

Would like to find out if the idea of tramadol-substitution does have any sense, or maybe is it dangerous? I know they usually don't prescribe tramadol as substitute, but I don't know the reason, why not?
(Probably most users don't find any accomplishing/satisfaction to take it. As far I can remind my old detoxes, I was getting relief only in body-wd terms, for my mind it was to not avail - but maybe it's the issue of my private attitude/approach(?) to opiates (sooo much bothered(?)) in this times.
Luckily my hubby's is much more "sceptic" for opiates timely, he struggles mostly with his physical-wd than with his mind "temptations".)

Oh, and how about the tramadol-wds? Is it hard to achieve?

n.

I was scribed a few awhile back and never took em till I ran outta OCs for around a week. I went through all sixty by around the fif day of no dealer in sight and didnt do to bad

[the_florist]

It's schedule III so the DEA isn't up the medical industry's ass about it.

Tramadol is currently unscheduled in the US. it is certainly not Schedule III (Vicodin/Hydrocodone, Codeine, Buprenorphine, etc.)

this girl is in Poland anyway. ;)