Drug and Pharmaceutical Solicitation [Archive]

bi11i

10-20-2005, 12:15 PM

Recently there's been an increase in requests for trading or acquiring medication illegally. Please do not use Opiophile for this kind of thing. While private messages are truly private and we have no way of enforcing your use of them, please do not use them (or the board) for such things.

On another note, the board's use of SWIM has increased and is much appreciated. Thanks for doing your best. (note: SWIM and solicitations do not mix; it doesn't matter who the dope is for, you can't get it here.)

Thanks,

Opiophile.org

shaunclo

10-20-2005, 01:53 PM

Wildman

10-20-2005, 03:01 PM

SWIM = someone who isn't me

Peripat

11-15-2005, 07:03 PM

Call me a moron, but I have no idea what the hell or who the hell SWIM is. Is it a way of speaking about yourself from a 3rd person point of view? Please help the the mentally retarded here, duuhhhhhh, drooooooollll. the keyboard is now soaked with saliva.......

You're not a moron, shaunclo, far from it. But the people who post stuff like "I'm a-lookin' to score", well, they, on the other hand... *rolls eyes*

Zoop

11-15-2005, 07:39 PM

Damn, I finally found out what the hell "SWIM" stands for! I thought it was "see what I mean."

But, does anyone really think that whomever is reading threads on this forum that say "SWIM shot up some dope" or whatever is really talking about someone who isn't them?

Whatever.

thanks for asking Shaun, because I have always wondered about that.

jackflash

10-31-2006, 02:52 AM

I didn't have a clue who or what swim was either.Thanks for the question and answers.

jerzyjunk

10-31-2006, 04:13 AM

damn jack way ta dredge up an ol post there duke.another dirtstankin joyzee boomfield in tha buildin

CUBErt

11-09-2006, 11:21 AM

I think its funny seeing Shaun not know what SWIM means... noob status :p

shaunclo

11-09-2006, 01:09 PM

LOL, I ust re-read that too Cube and was like....WTF?? That just goes to prove that everyone starts somewhere. For a second there I thought someone was using my screename until I read the date. Its funny how old threads come to life after years of hibernating.

Anyways SWIM is going to take a smokebreak ;)

blackdog

11-19-2006, 01:21 AM

WATCHOUT PAYBACK'S A BITCH MWUHHAHAHHHA

KiloByte

11-24-2006, 01:02 PM

Is it really necessarry to use the damn SWIM thing? I really don't think it would change anything legally and its kind of annoying.

Coddfish

11-24-2006, 01:22 PM

use it, if for no other reason, because the mods and phounders want us to use it. they know more about this crap than any of us.

hero 1

11-24-2006, 01:22 PM

Is it really necessarry to use the damn SWIM thing? I really don't think it would change anything legally and its kind of annoying.
well why dont you post your name address and what kind of drugs you are doing and find out:rolleyes:

nick

11-24-2006, 02:54 PM

Anybody got any.........(sorry SWIM couldn't resist)

blackdog

11-24-2006, 11:17 PM

NO IT'S (DOE'S ANYBODY KNOW WHERE SWIM CAN GET SUM?)end quote

nick

11-25-2006, 05:05 AM

NO IT'S (DOE'S ANYBODY KNOW WHERE SWIM CAN GET SUM?)end quote
Sure bro,that works too.

Woods

11-25-2006, 11:15 PM

I always thought it was Someone I Met, like you met a guy who told you a story. Maybe you picked up a hitchhiking junkie, and while you were giving him a lift, and in repayment of the lift you gave him, he spun stories of his life, perhaps in the form of an epic poem. Or maybe like Canterbury Tales, if you were all on a Pilgramage to score some skag:

Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre;
But al that he myghte of his freendes hente,
On druges and on syringes he it spente,

I had an English prof that, if he saw me mangling Chaucer like that would give me either an enthusiastic pat on the back, or boot the face. I hope someone gets it, but if I’m the only one who got a chuckle from it, I guess that’s ok, I shouldn’t expect too much form a joke in middle English.

defenestrate

11-27-2006, 03:16 AM

woods,
you're getting repped by me for the chaucer munging. kudos.

Woods

11-27-2006, 05:19 AM

Why, thank you goodly sir.

candyshop

11-27-2006, 10:37 AM

really opened my eyes when we did chaucer in a.p. english,filth and porn in the classroom! delightful!
pointed you yesterday -very very clever

KiloByte

11-30-2006, 09:22 AM

well why dont you post your name address and what kind of drugs you are doing and find out:rolleyes:

I got high on roxicodone recently.

Oh no I said I now the feds are gonna bust me...

I can understand why you guys feel paranoid but this is taking it too far. As long as nobody is soliciting any form of trade or sale of anything illegal nothing will happen.

defenestrate

12-03-2006, 10:30 PM

kilobyte,
on a rational level i'd have to agree. however, my experience is that:
A Paranoid Druggie is an Enduring Druggie.

just my 2 cents.

OxyContinuously

12-04-2006, 08:58 AM

I definitely agree. Err on the side of caution and the worst that will happen is nothing. Behave foolishly and the worst thing that will happen really sucks!!

HistoryofMadness

12-04-2006, 02:10 PM

I can understand why you guys feel paranoid but this is taking it too far. As long as nobody is soliciting any form of trade or sale of anything illegal nothing will happen.

and somehow you know better than the folks that built and run this site?

by the way, you CAN get in legal trouble for admitting to crimes, which is otherwise known as a confession, so maybe you should read up a little?

KiloByte

12-04-2006, 03:31 PM

and somehow you know better than the folks that built and run this site?

by the way, you CAN get in legal trouble for admitting to crimes, which is otherwise known as a confession, so maybe you should read up a little?

Name one arrest where someone got busted for saying they use dope on a forum. Just one.

alowishus

12-04-2006, 03:40 PM

KiloByte

12-05-2006, 11:03 AM

Can't remember the whole deal but it was in Tenn a couple yr ago, they uncovered a huge hydro online ring (buying/selling) from some schuck that was posting about on his website, they got peeps in 4 states.
I remember because right after someone came on here asking how to do the same thing.:rolleyes:

If you're selling drugs illegally online you're are risk for getting busted whether you use the swim thing or not. Whats so hard to understand about this? In normal hearsay conversation theres nothing wrong or illegal about refering to yourself.

HistoryofMadness

12-05-2006, 11:39 AM

Name one arrest where someone got busted for saying they use dope on a forum. Just one.

Whether someone has been busted has NO bearing on legality. Let's set up a web site for you, and you log all the details of your buying (and if you sell, that too). Make sure to state where you meet, where you stash your shit in your car, and where you live.

Then you can have your own case to refer to regarding admitting to felonies online.

If you're selling drugs illegally online you're are risk for getting busted whether you use the swim thing or not. Whats so hard to understand about this? In normal hearsay conversation theres nothing wrong or illegal about refering to yourself.

You are missing the point. If you are going to talk about your illegal activity, SWIM is a suggested buffer by the individual that owns and operates this site. It is not really because we care about you getting in trouble, because most of us do not.

It is because if there WERE a case where someone admitted to a felony online, here, then the owner and perhaps others would be dragged into it. That's a pain in the ass no one wants to deal with.

What is so hard to understand about that? Is it difficult to get the basic principle? Or are you one that won't look objectively at the other side of the argument because there's just no way you're wrong?

And by the way "normal hearsay.... referring to yourself" does not make sense. If you are writing about yourself, that is not heresay. If you are writing about SWIM, that is heresay. Since you know the word, learn the definition, then rethink this discussion.

No one says it is fool proof. But its better than admitting illegal shit wholesale.

And it is a request / suggestion from the owner/operator. Try to have a little respect for that at least.

-----EDIT------ If the logic still eludes you, I will try to locate some case law that is covers this sort of thing, but its going to be tougher than our conversation.

KiloByte

12-05-2006, 02:56 PM

Whether someone has been busted has NO bearing on legality. Let's set up a web site for you, and you log all the details of your buying (and if you sell, that too). Make sure to state where you meet, where you stash your shit in your car, and where you live.

See you go into the whole "you're missing the point" yet you still can't drop the issue of people giving direct info to the sale/trade of narcotics. It is not a felony to be a dope user(that is known as a status offense and has no legal bearing). As long as you don't say I (or SWIM) have this much dope at this location hidden in this space nothing is going to happen. And yes I realise this is for the owner's protection but again as long as no specific information is given out (information that is clearly not supposed to be discussed openly here anyway) I don't see the problem. I would like to see some court cases related to the issue because I thought I heard forum conversations were inadmissable in court unless there are those important details involved. Show me how "SWIM" has any impact on the legal status and if it makes the said forum post inadmissable in court.

HistoryofMadness

12-13-2006, 01:21 PM

See you go into the whole "you're missing the point" yet you still can't drop the issue of people giving direct info to the sale/trade of narcotics. It is not a felony to be a dope user(that is known as a status offense and has no legal bearing). As long as you don't say I (or SWIM) have this much dope at this location hidden in this space nothing is going to happen. And yes I realise this is for the owner's protection but again as long as no specific information is given out (information that is clearly not supposed to be discussed openly here anyway) I don't see the problem. I would like to see some court cases related to the issue because I thought I heard forum conversations were inadmissable in court unless there are those important details involved. Show me how "SWIM" has any impact on the legal status and if it makes the said forum post inadmissable in court.

man for some reason you are dedicated to this.. i am having no problem understanding you, I can assure you of that... but there have been pics, stories, and people talking about purchases made on that day (the fucking posts are dated)... its not illegal to BE a junky but it IS illegal to have junk, so if you say "I have xyz" then you are admitting to something illegal

now I have made my point here many times about how anyone with a good lawyer should have no problem getting away from what's said here, but yes, things said here CAN be admissable, and can be on many levels, including confessing to crimes, or character, etc etc

but I think we are in agreement that its pretty weak

still if asked to take your shoes off when you walk into someone's house then take your fucking shoes off

Duckfeet

12-13-2006, 01:34 PM

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still if asked to take your shoes off when you walk into someone's house then take your fucking shoes off

Well put, that trumps all the other arguments, to me. Whether or not I believe in *reasons* behind whatever ritual u decide to use, it's just a matter of respect. If I don't want to take my shoes off, then I can go to another friend's house.

I don't even go to the other arguments, since this was made clear first time I got on here. Don't solicit, out of respect for people keep the site going, I abide by their rules. When they *ask* for opinions, they I'll give'em.

candy

12-14-2006, 09:40 AM

Well put, that trumps all the other arguments, to me. Whether or not I believe in *reasons* behind whatever ritual u decide to use, it's just a matter of respect. If I don't want to take my shoes off, then I can go to another friend's house.

I don't even go to the other arguments, since this was made clear first time I got on here. Don't solicit, out of respect for people keep the site going, I abide by their rules. When they *ask* for opinions, they I'll give'em.

I absolutely agree! And in my house, you take your shoes off!

Duckfeet

12-14-2006, 10:50 AM

I absolutely agree! And in my house, you take your shoes off!

Hell, I live in Ocean Beach: my shoes *stay* off....I'm like, already prepared. when I hit problems, is when someone (like Mom), says: "In my house, shoes stay *on!*" And so I'm alway doing what guys on here do: spend more time arguing against the wearing of shoes, when it only takes a sec to throw'em on or off...

Shoes *on!*... Got it, Mom.

applesauce

12-14-2006, 11:16 AM

That's a good analogy, the shoes off in the house. Even if someone disagrees with the concept of the rule/request, lets all abide it anyway. It isn't a question of how legally important it is, its a matter of showing respect for our hosts and their wishes.

I think the acronym was started on The Hive, but a lot of forums use it now, forums dedicated to clandestine topics of all sort, not just drugs.

It is very easy to forget to use things like SWIM because we tend to think of the conversations here as sort of personal and between "friends". It isn't that we don't intellectually know better, we all know LE and all sort of similar lowlife read these boards, it is just easy to get wrapped up in the conversation and forget how public and permanent the forum is.

This site and the hundreds of others like it are probably spidered and archived in some lab for psychological profiling and the like by various factions of LE. There isn't anything we can do about that. Read up on DCS-1000 and the like and you'll see what I'm talking about. Who knows what criminal or civil (or "anti-terrorism"?) use it might have in court someday, against the owners, moderators or even users? How many people here even know what Tor or distance-WiFi is?

In any case, my point is that anyone who believes in the ownership of private property should respect the wishes of the operators here and use the acronym. Luckily the operators of this site understand the fact that it is easy to forget to use it and they let us slide, but we really should do our best to respect their wishes.

When you are in MY house you can say *I*, but please don't fart on the leather sofas, SWIM just had them cleaned.

HistoryofMadness

12-14-2006, 12:58 PM

Hell, I live in Ocean Beach: my shoes *stay* off....I'm like, already prepared. when I hit problems, is when someone (like Mom), says: "In my house, shoes stay *on!*" And so I'm alway doing what guys on here do: spend more time arguing against the wearing of shoes, when it only takes a sec to throw'em on or off...

Shoes *on!*... Got it, Mom.

sure we're a chattering group and I like that, sometimes I just try to be sure I'm not getting the theoretical and the actual mixed up (not for me but for other people because of the way I write)...

no problems discussing the idea, though... let's just say that as weak as talk on forums would be if they were the only thing prosecutors had, it just makes it all the weaker to use mechanisms like SWIM, lie about things every now and then (things you can prove in real life are lies), etc etc and then you're a character...

hell we're all slowly becoming caricatures of ourselves here anyway...

applesauce

12-14-2006, 01:13 PM

... let's just say that as weak as talk on forums would be if they were the only thing prosecutors had, it just makes it all the weaker to use mechanisms like SWIM, lie about things every now and then (things you can prove in real life are lies), etc etc and then you're a character...

hell we're all slowly becoming caricatures of ourselves here anyway...

Wonderfully said. If we toss out B.S. every now and then, it just complicate the whole issue. Years ago I realized / discovered that there was no realistic way that I could prevent both commercial marketers and the government from developing a "file" on me. That is when I joined the NRA, the NAACP, the ACLU, and a handful of other politically biased groups that I have no interest in.

It was worth a few hundred bucks worth of member fees to dilute the good information they have with nonsense. I would be embarrassed to admit some of the groups that I am, at least on paper, a member of.

Andy Warhol once said something to the effect of "I love it when people ask me about my childhood, because it gives me a chance to make it all up again."

Personally I use different pseudonyms everywhere and I change them every now and then. It makes it difficult to develop and cultivate an online persona, which can be a lot of fun, but it is also more secure.

Edited to add: I should mention that joining a group like the KKK or the "Islamic Front for Violent Peace" or whatever would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect - the idea is to be confusing, not to be a SUSPECT. :)

candyshop

12-14-2006, 04:55 PM

in my opinion it is not acceptable to kill and eat children (especially babies)
i would NEVER do that ,even if i was fairly hungry-
i have respect for different viewpoints but i simply feel uncomfortable with the practice of killing and eating
children(especially babies)

nick

12-14-2006, 04:58 PM

applesauce

12-14-2006, 05:05 PM

Or a tuna-free dolphinburger.

candyshop

12-14-2006, 05:12 PM

did not intend to offend those who kill and eat children (especially babies ) as part of a dietary or lifestyle choice----there is room for all of us---peace

red26

12-14-2006, 05:19 PM

did not intend to offend those who kill and eat children (especially babies ) as part of a dietary or lifestyle choice----there is room for all of us---peace

I prefer cubans. MMMMMMM cuban, the other dark meat.

SobrietyBinge

12-14-2006, 05:35 PM

btw fyi

as HistoryOfMadness stated before, it is not hearsay if you are talking about yourself, it would be hearsay if someone else was talking about what you said, and likewise, it would be hearsay if you were talking about what swim said. here's something else to know:

there is an exemption to the hearsay rule--a "party admission." The jist of this exemption is that if someone else hears you admit to a crime, even though they heard it from you it is not hearsay and is therefore admissable in court. The reason, as I understand it, is that because you made the statement yourself, you will have the opportunity to respond to this statement if you are the one on trial. You can take some solice in the fact that this doesn't necessarily make what you said true, but once it's out there, it has an impact on the judge and jury. That's when your lawyer is supposed to object with "more prejudicial than probative"... but of course this shouldn't come up because we aren't talking about you, thankfully we're talking about swim who is anonymous and safe (as long as there isn't any information that swim mentions that identifies swim as being swiu).

this is all getting very paranoid and I would of course never offer up legal advice (IANAL) to facilitate criminal behavior, but this is good to know--I've been hearing a lot about this swim person and it sounds like swim can use all the help swim can get.:cool: