How many people use sub just between opiate binges

[Consumed.]

I mean just not to get sick and take a break for a few days and then resume your drug of choice?

[tptptp]

I mean just not to get sick and take a break for a few days and then resume your drug of choice?
I guess you could say that, you gotta be able to keep a low dose on them though.....I'd say quite a few do to manage their money, if you dont have insurance though its expensive. With insurance its not that bad you can score like 6mo/1yr supply of steady dosing in a month if you play it right, now switching abck and forth it wont last as long cuz the first couple days you switch back you need a good bit to feel right.

EDIT - I will say this though, switching back and forth every couple days is shitty. I realzied for me personally if I'm gonna binge its gonna be at least a week of binging and unfortunately therefore longer periods on subs......why? switching back and forth is a bitch, first couple days back on subs feels mentally empty along with waiuting til WD hits to take the subs...then switching back isnt as bad but you really need to wait 24 hours from even a tiny sub dose. Well you dont have to but its best. I think being on a real small doses of subs renews your brain somewhat and starts to restore it to a normal state. Doesnt feel great being on subs but its something that probably isnt possible without subs unless someone gets totally clean and that doesnt happen often or they wouldnt need subs.
Like if you really wanna loer your tolerance but need to work full time or whatever you could use subs to keep yourself minimally sick for a week or something but not sick to the point where you cant work and it would lower your tolerance some.

[nick]

I know of at least two long time opios who do the switcheroo as one of them calls it.

There not around at the moment,but I'm sure they'll have their say when they get back.

[Consumed.]

all i can say is WORKS FOR ME!

[nick]

all i can say is WORKS FOR ME!

For NOW and that's all that matters NOW.

Much good luck.

[MorFinatic]

Ive been switchin back and forth for a month now. A week on dope, a few days on subs, back to dope. I took a few days off hopin my tolerance would drop some, it did, but by the following day i was back to the same amount. This is day 3 back on subs. Im gonna try and go a little longer between binges this time.

[repeek]

I have learned for “me anyway” how to avoid having to wait until W/D’s to set in to get on sub. I do a 4mg dose at about ten hours after last fix, precipitated W/D’s start up within fifteen minutes, but I have a dose of tar ready and it brings me out of W/D immediately. I don’t feel the tar, but then I am not sick either. Later that day I will need one more dose of tar, but come the next morning I can go it alone with the just the sub and no W/D aside the occasional sweats that happen anyway.

Doing the switch is easy if you can afford a few doses of tar you are willing to waste because you won’t feel them.

I just can’t wait twenty-four hours, which is being sick for at least fourteen hours for me. I am already getting sick after ten hours of my last dose of tar.

[hermloc]

I have a question. I have been on subs for about a week and a half. I started with 4mg's 3 times a day and now im down between 2-4mg once a day. If i decide to take a "vacation" for one night then go back on subs the next morning would i go into withdrawls after taking the sub? Or should I have one bag left to use during the time i take the sub?

Also may last dose of subs was 2mg 24hrs ago.

[tptptp]

I have a question. I have been on subs for about a week and a half. I started with 4mg's 3 times a day and now im down between 2-4mg once a day. If i decide to take a "vacation" for one night then go back on subs the next morning would i go into withdrawls after taking the sub? Or should I have one bag left to use during the time i take the sub?

Also may last dose of subs was 2mg 24hrs ago.

You need to be in WITHDRAWAL after using opiates for you take a sub or it will SEND YOU INTO WAY WORSE THAN NORMAL WD'S because it rips the opiates off your receptors and replaces them with the bupe, and your receptors get fucking PISSED! you can take opiates with subs in your system (because opiates dont have the power to rip the bupe off the same way the bupe rips opiates off)but to go back to subs you must be in mild to moderate withdrawal or you will pay the price. Its a hell of a lot worse than a normal WD when this happens.

My doc said it wont kill (well the side effects could(dehydration etc.) but not that likely) you though it may feel like it you either gotta deal with it or go to the ER if it happens.

I would say if you wanna party though 24 hours is a good amount of time to be off of 2mgs. In the average person with average metabolism average this average that, thats what my guess is to be the time when bupe will block very little - if you've been at 2mg for a while if you just dropped to 2 it will be a bit longer since its half life is so long.

[hermloc]

You need to be in WITHDRAWAL after using opiates for you take a sub or it will SEND YOU INTO WAY WORSE THAN NORMAL WD'S because it rips the opiates off your receptors and replaces them with the bupe, and your receptors get fucking PISSED! you can take opiates with subs in your system (because opiates dont have the power to rip the bupe off the same way the bupe rips opiates off)but to go back to subs you must be in mild to moderate withdrawal or you will pay the price. Its a hell of a lot worse than a normal WD when this happens.

My doc said it wont kill (well the side effects could(dehydration etc.) but not that likely) you though it may feel like it you either gotta deal with it or go to the ER if it happens.

I would say if you wanna party though 24 hours is a good amount of time to be off of 2mgs. In the average person with average metabolism average this average that, thats what my guess is to be the time when bupe will block very little - if you've been at 2mg for a while if you just dropped to 2 it will be a bit longer since its half life is so long.

If i smoke a little tar during my sub dose will i still feel the W/D's?

And would it be better to take a lower sub dose (like 2mg) to prevent heavier W/D's

[bronyraur]

You need to be in WITHDRAWAL after using opiates for you take a sub or it will SEND YOU INTO WAY WORSE THAN NORMAL WD'S because it rips the opiates off your receptors and replaces them with the bupe, and your receptors get fucking PISSED! you can take opiates with subs in your system (because opiates dont have the power to rip the bupe off the same way the bupe rips opiates off)but to go back to subs you must be in mild to moderate withdrawal or you will pay the price. Its a hell of a lot worse than a normal WD when this happens.

My doc said it wont kill (well the side effects could(dehydration etc.) but not that likely) you though it may feel like it you either gotta deal with it or go to the ER if it happens.

I would say if you wanna party though 24 hours is a good amount of time to be off of 2mgs. In the average person with average metabolism average this average that, thats what my guess is to be the time when bupe will block very little - if you've been at 2mg for a while if you just dropped to 2 it will be a bit longer since its half life is so long.

TP has given really good advice. And with bupe, the least amount you can take to keep you WD free is the best.

The more the merrier is not the case with bupe.

[tptptp]

I dont see how that would work. The bupe is latched on to your pissed off receptors its just not making them feel that great. The tar shouldn't be able to get to any unless they dont have bupe on them. IF you take a dose too early and it sends you into WD its better to have taken a little then alot. The less you use the better with bupe (you'll actually feel better too) use as much as you need to keep WD's away but I'll go a step farther and this is only if you really need to stay off the other shit, take a somewhat larger dose than this but not by much. I personally find the dose just above WD usually leaves me with more craving than a slightly larger dose does. But I stick with a dose right above WD anyways. Cravings do get easier with time IMO.

Wait til you're in WD or you'll be in hell. As far as what repeeks mentioning, I dont know. I've never heard of it before and it may work for him but not others or it may work. But just wait til WD's rtather than waste the dope IMO. Plus I've personally found the longer you've been in WD before you start bupe the better. The first time I went on I had come off one of the nastiest drugs to WD from and just had some tramadol and eventually some kratom for an entire week then i got bupe waited to get sick and I felt really good and energetic that week actually almost too good. Now switching back I've never felt the same as that week but I have noticed that the farther into WD's I am the better the bupe feels. And this may not last forever but the good feeling lasts quite a while I believe if you go on it real sick, at least longer than if you take it just as soon as you can.

If you wanna guinea pig repeeks experiment be my guest but prepare for a real HELL of a WD if it doesn't work for you. I wouldn't even risk it. Getting a little sick isnt that bad and it makes the switch to bupe better.

BTW heres a quote from another WD where a guy made WD come on sooner (precipated WD) and unlike most he got lucky as his only last ten minutes instead of a long time.

"
In the last couple weeks I tried started fooling around with shooting suboxone and, as expected, it wasn't anything special. A few times, if I waited over 24 hours between seb doses I would catch a slitch buzz but still it was not worthwhile at all.
One thing I can say is that sometimes I have a hard time falling asleep on my normal under the tongue dose of one milligram so I would fire up an 8 and that would help me pass out.

Im posting this because i wanted to share what happened the other night. A mistake I'll make sure never to make again.
Ive been using suboxone off and on for 3 years now and have a lot of expierence with it and in this time have never experienced precipatated wd's from it.
I thought I was immune.
I was very wrong.
I had just finished a little binge of running oxy's and H for a week and that night when I ran out I took 2 mgs subligualy as normal. A few hours later I couldn't sleep and decided to fire up an 8.
This was a big mistake.
Apparently there was still some dope in my system and ten seconds after I fired that 8 milligrams up I knew somethings was very very wrong.
It was a terrifying experience going from a relatively normal state to deathly sick in 20 or so seconds.
In hind sight its actaully hard to belive but that is exactly how it goes.
I immediately broke out in sweats. Every object in the room suddenly took on a menacing vibration.
Dysphoria.
My forehead was soaked in sweat and I was forced to quickly make my way to the bathroom for a terrible round of the number 2's.

I remember looking at the clock thiniking "oh god!" Ill be ub till 10am feeling this way until the bupe kicks in and got very scared.
Fortunately it only lasted about ten minutes which isnt bad at all. Ive heard many people had to deal with this for much longer than this and im just glad i didnt.

I will never fire up any amount of sub within a 48 hour period of using anything again thats for sure.
__________________

"

[MorFinatic]

You need to be in WITHDRAWAL after using opiates for you take a sub or it will SEND YOU INTO WAY WORSE THAN NORMAL WD'S because it rips the opiates off your receptors and replaces them with the bupe, and your receptors get fucking PISSED!

That was funny.

[soulman]

Never have a problem doin the switch, don't have to wait til' I'm in w/d to dose bupe, just wait a couple hours and no probs ever, but, it usually takes me only like 12 hours or so to do dope after taking bupe, sometimes less, and i am rx'd 8 mg 2xs daily

[hermloc]

You need to be in WITHDRAWAL after using opiates for you take a sub or it will SEND YOU INTO WAY WORSE THAN NORMAL WD'S because it rips the opiates off your receptors and replaces them with the bupe, and your receptors get fucking PISSED! you can take opiates with subs in your system (because opiates dont have the power to rip the bupe off the same way the bupe rips opiates off)but to go back to subs you must be in mild to moderate withdrawal or you will pay the price. Its a hell of a lot worse than a normal WD when this happens.

My doc said it wont kill (well the side effects could(dehydration etc.) but not that likely) you though it may feel like it you either gotta deal with it or go to the ER if it happens.

I would say if you wanna party though 24 hours is a good amount of time to be off of 2mgs. In the average person with average metabolism average this average that, thats what my guess is to be the time when bupe will block very little - if you've been at 2mg for a while if you just dropped to 2 it will be a bit longer since its half life is so long.

So here is what happend after my 24hr vacation that lasted 5days. THis morning I had my last shot around 8:30am and around 4:40pm the same day I started to feel shity but it was mostly in my head. So basically waited 8hrs after my last shot and I decided to take 2mgs of Subs and 10mg of Valium at the same time. Around 15 minutes later I started to feel really anxious like it was really coming on. So i had one bag left over and took a couple hits off the foil, and let me tell you it worked because i feel great right now. I then took 2 more mgs a couple of hours later a and i still feel good. I didnt get those precipitated w/ds like the first time i took the subs.

So basically it works for me too.

[Diluted]

I'm on sub maintenance. Yet, when couldn't afford the doctor, or source of subs ran out..used oxycodone to keep from wd'n.

Sub. maintenance is such a catch-22.