Subs and Morphine

[94accord]

Alright well i have been lurking these forums for some time since i started Suboxone about 3 months ago or a little more. Since i have started i have been totally clean and loving it. I know this has been talked about before, but i couldnt find much on morphine along with it. Well a friend offered me some morphine 30's. The gray ones i believe. I have been taking 16mg of Suboxone for the past 3 months. I was thinking of dabbling in some morphs for a day of fun. I know that i might not feel much only after 24hrs but im willing to try. What im most worried about is whether i would i be ok the next day after the morphine taking my subs again?

Now i know it can depend on the person quite a bit, but when i first started subs i had taken morphine on a sunday and withheld all monday then started subs tuesday morning and was just fine. I was also having withdrawal symptoms then. Im sure i can hold out a day or so if i must but im sure everyone knows how it is to not take something for a day when its been routine for so long.

Basically just want to know if you think ill be safe taking morphs one day then the next day going back to my subs or if i should hold out? Thanks for any help that you guys can give and i am sorry for making another thread on this kind of topic, but i would rather be safe then sorry.

Also love the forum and have learned a lot from it. thanks everyone

[roxi*stardust]

16mg is a really high dose. You will probably have to wait 48-72 hours (that's being generous)before you could feel those MS even a bit. I can take 5mg of Sub and have it last at least 36 hours between dosing. I has a VERY LONG half-life. Hate to see you waste the MS. Of course I think I would rather have 16mg of Sub than a few 30mg MS any way.

[94accord]

Thanks for the info. They were super cheap so i am not super worried. Im just more worried about the half life of the MS so i do no t get horrible withdrawals. I did try some to day and i can feel it but it is definitely not as much as i should. If you have any recommendations on how long i should wait to get back on the sub please inform me. Anyways thanks for the help so far

[tptptp]

once you get adjusted to subs I dont think doing large doses like that helps in any way comapred to a smaller dose, it will keep your tolerance and up make it longer before you an get high though.

When you switch back to subs you need to be in withdrawal, thats what sucks about switching and usually its followed by a couple days of mental shit head. If you arent in WD when you take the subs the subs will RIP the opiates off your receptors and put you into a very very very harsh withdrawal.

[94accord]

cool thanks for the input. I think im going to do what i did when i started subs at the doctor. I had one full day of doing nothing and was feeling minor withdrawals and it was fine. I had actually done morphine on a sunday night at around 9 p.m. Nothing all monday. Then tuesday morning started my treatment and was just fine. How long do the harsh withdrawals last if you did take it to early anyways? Always wondered that

[tptptp]

cool thanks for the input. I think im going to do what i did when i started subs at the doctor. I had one full day of doing nothing and was feeling minor withdrawals and it was fine. I had actually done morphine on a sunday night at around 9 p.m. Nothing all monday. Then tuesday morning started my treatment and was just fine. How long do the harsh withdrawals last if you did take it to early anyways? Always wondered that

I dont know but even if you want to detox the consensus is this methods not worth it, and much better to play it safe. The precipated WD is harsh and while you cant die directly from opiate WD you can die from its symptoms like dehydration. While that probably pretty rare in regular WD I'd imagine risks like those go up big time in precipated WD.

[mikells43]

I got msir a few months ago for a kidney stone, i didn't wait the time before taking them and ntohing. so i just took them for the day and still didn't get a buzz so i went back on subutex the following morning. u have to wait at least prob 50 hours to get the sub off of ur receptors. it has a 37.5 hour half life meaning half of ur last dose will go off then anouther half after anouther 37.5 hours. so its a long time ur gonna have to wait. a good 2-3 days i bet. its not worth it i think. why put urself throu it to get a buzz thats prob gonna be watered down anyhow. the other side is better

[mikells43]

and i have never taken it too early. hell i took it right after a 20mg oxy dose within an hour i bet. but thats JUST ME and MY BODY hwo it reacts. i wouldnt recommend it to anyone.

[tptptp]

and i have never taken it too early. hell i took it right after a 20mg oxy dose within an hour i bet. but thats JUST ME and MY BODY hwo it reacts. i wouldnt recommend it to anyone.

Right, I also know of people who at least claim theyve taken bupe right after a dose. I've also heard of people who waited a good while and still got sent into precipated WD. I know either way that it feels much better if you wait til your sick. I'd also rather be a little sick than risk a horrible WD.

My friend told me this story in his words:

My last run on subs I got high as a kite about 24 hours after my last dose...but I had been on a really low dose...the time prior to that when I got off subs for a week I needed twice as much as this time around and I couldnt get a really good high feeling i felt decent and kept nodding hard actually the nod was pissing me off. you have to stay on a dose of subs that basically doesnt feel too great if you wanna switch back and forth and play properly.

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

94 It sounds like you are doing good on subs if not great.Please take it from someone who started at 30 milligrams a day and is now up to 720 milligrams a day,It (meaning the morphine addiction) becomes a need to your everyday life.
Without it,you are so miserable.It becomes a part of your everyday life just like food,water,If you don't get it you will feel like suicide, not getting outta bed, shitting your brains out,puking,plus alot more then that .
I am in a miserable relationship because my only connection to the morphine is my partner,who kept offering me extras every day to buy till I became so addicted that I have to take 480 milligrams just to get up each day.
Maybe I am just different but I just thought I would let you know how things turned out on my end.Welcome to the board and if you have any questions or need someone to talk to please pm me.
I would just hate to see you end up like me my every extrea dollar goes to morphine.It's not a good way to live at all.

[94accord]

Wow thanks for the interest man. I appreciate it. I used to be really hooked on methadone and morphine before i started subs. I have not taken anything besides subs for almost 4 months so im not really worried about getting back in to MS. I just wanted to try it one time since a friend practically gave them to me. After only about a day off the subs i was feeling the MS pretty well. Not as well as i should have for sure but that was expected. I do not have to work tomorrow so i am going to totally stay away from the sub and MS and then the next day get back on the sub. Thats how i did it when i first started sub and it will actually be a bit longer then when i started so i think ill be fine. I will really wait for minor WD signs before i start back on the sub. Thanks for the concern everyone and this forum really is a lot of help.

Oh and also about the comment that MS is not worth it compared to sub. For some reason, maybe its just me, I actually get a really enjoyable high from MS. Others might not like it but i enjoy it quite a bit and thats what matters. Subs are dream though. They really help a lot and i feel i could not have stopped without them and i feel confident that i will be totally sober eventually because of the Sub. I know its going to be a rough experience but you gotta do what you gotta do and i wanna be clean sometime. I have actually started to enjoy life being more sober. I have quit smoking pot, doing pills, the occasional H, the occasional roll, and everything else i would dabble in occasionally.

Once again, thanks everyone for the help and the concern.

[tptptp]

well I just looked over your post and I would start coming off that much sub even if you dont completely quit, its just a waste, this stuff will make you physically dependent from as little as 1/8 of 1 mg. I think for most people anything more than 8 is overkill.....anyhow I just noticed you were on 16 and theres just about no chance in hell that after months at 16mg/day you are gonna get anything aftewr 24 hours it would be a complete waste. If you're gonna switch at all at least make it a couple day thing switching back for a day is jsut not worth it in so many ways even if you could get high in 24 hours, which you wont aftert that dose unless you take a toooooon of it.

[94accord]

Well maybe its just me and my tolerance but it was enjoyable while i did it. Oh well its over now and i thank you guys for the support. Ill be taking my day off then waiting for minor WD to get back on the sub. It was pretty much a one time thing since i am really trying to totally quit eventually. I know it was a waste but it was practically free since the kid owed me and it might have been pointless, but what else is there for me to do these days. I do not do much anymore besides work, go to college (which im done for the semester with already), chill with my girlfriend, and sit at home and play video games and anything else on the computer. All the friends I used to chill with are users of some sort whether its opiates, pot, or any other drugs so i do not chill with them much anymore. Still working on finding more sober friends besides the few i met in treatment.

Well back to the sober routine!