has anyone heard of this

[clinton]

has anyone heard of this before? how does is it possible? thanks.


What are the physical dangers?
The physical dangers depend on the specific opiate used, its source, the dose, and the way it is used. Most of the dangers are caused by using too much of a drug, the use of unsterile needles, contamination of the drug itself, or combining the drug with other substances. Over time, opiate users may develop infections of [/B[B]]the heart lining and valves, skin abscesses, and congested lungs. Infections from unsterile solutions, syringes, and needles can cause illnesses such stronger approximately 24-72 hours after they begin, and subside within 7-10 days. Sometimes symptoms such as sleeplessness and drug craving can last for months

[CSiiSEQ]

Are you asking about the bolded part? If so, yes it's called endocarditis and happens in long-term users that do not use sterile equipment. That is why it is so important to clean the skin as well as using all sterile & unused needles/syringes and filtering to the best level you can.

Most commonly, it actually starts as nonbacterial thrombotic endocarditis. This isn't a result of bacteria initially, it results from trauma to the endothelial surface of the heart. Then over time, bacteremia leads to seeding of lesions with adherent bacteria. This leads to infective endocarditis and requires the heart valves to be replaced. It is usually the tricuspid valve, but can also occur in other valves.

As a result of infective endocard, you can have local tissue destruction as well as embolic events. Also, secondary phenomena include autoimmune effects such as vasculitis and immune complex glomerulonephritis.

[ILLWILLMD]

yes there is someone whome i know personally that had to have first a valve replaced and then his heart, he was asking me to bring him dope in the hospital. i didnt.

[doctor diesel]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: "This is why I just smoke the stuff!"

Doc

[OxyContinuously]

Yeah, OP, all that bad stuff happens when you inject...like doc said, if you snort, or smoke or whatever, you are really cutting down on the off-chance that something may go wrong.


later

peace

[roxi*stardust]

That is specifically attributed to injecting pills. All pills have talc in them and it is not a very good thing to put in your veins, and is what causes this inflamation and infection. Oral use of of pills does not cause Endocarditis (that's what that type of infection is called), only injecting.
Candy will probably be around here soon and will be able to give you a more details about why this happen, but you can rest assured that using pills as directed by mouth does not cause Endocarditis.

-roxi

ps. I also answered this over in the other forum for you. I'm sure Candy will be around soon and she can give you a deatiled answer

[OxyContinuously]

That is specifically attributed to injecting pills. All pills have talc in them and it is not a very good thing to put in your veins, and is what causes this inflamation and infection. Oral use of of pills does not cause Endocarditis (that's what that type of infection is called), only injecting.
Candy will probably be around here soon and will be able to give you a more details about why this happen, but you can rest assured that using pills as directed by mouth does not cause Endocarditis.

-roxi

ps. I also answered this over in the other forum for you. I'm sure Candy will be around soon and she can give you a deatiled answer

That's what I was referring to in the pills but I couldnt remember what it was called: that damned talc!!! Thank you Roxi; I couldn't remember that for the life of me...:p

So how ya been anyway?

later

Oxy

[candy]

Endocarditis is usually caused by bacteria introduced through IV use. This causes an inflammation of the lining of the heart or endocardium and the heart valves. Why this is generally seen in the right side of the heart valves is unknown.

Some bacterias that cause this are streptococci (from the mouth), staph aureas(skin induced bacteria), and Enterococci, a bacteria that enters the bloodstream.

The reason that Endocarditis is so serious is that the valves of the heart do not receive any blood flow and therefor no white blood cells to fight off infections.

Vancocin or Vancomyacin is a broad spectrum and powerful antibiotic is used to treat the infection.

It can happen in new IV drug users and old ones as well. Ya have to use clean equipment and clean the skin. I can't say it enough and will continue to point it out. Not only to prevent above, but skin infections, HIV, HCV and HBV.
Everything that you use should be your own and never shared. And don't keep re-using the same water. Not only is this gross, but dangerous.

And wash your hands. If you wash your hands before you eat, then it is even more pressing that you wash them before you inject straight into your blood stream.

I'm not bragging, but I have never had an abscess or infection from IV drug use and neither should you if you just use clean techniques and stay away from sharing, even if it is your partner.

[chemboy7]

All pills have talc in them and it is not a very good thing to put in your veins,

Well, I agree that talc is not something that you want in your bloodstream, but all pills DO NOT contain talc. Looking at the list of inactives you will actually see that most pills don't have talc in them, Oxycontins do, alot of pills do, but certainly not ALL of them. Talc accumulates in the capillaries esspecially in the lungs, not heart; as Candy said it's mainly bacteria that fucks with the heart.

[OxyContinuously]

Candy I have a question (or anyone else who knows, pls feel free)

You were talking about endocarditis before, and i was wondering if that is something that goes away with treatment, or does it not ever remit, kind of like a virus (even tho it's bacteria) that you can keep under control, but never truly get rid of?

thanks

have a good one

Oxy

[candy]

Chemboy is right about the talc. It lodges in the small capillaries in the lungs. That is why injecting pills is dangerous. No matter how well you think your filtering those pills, you are still going to get some residue, could be talc or other additives that enter the bloodstream and lodge in capillaries, esp. those in the lungs.

[candy]

Candy I have a question (or anyone else who knows, pls feel free)

You were talking about endocarditis before, and i was wondering if that is something that goes away with treatment, or does it not ever remit, kind of like a virus (even tho it's bacteria) that you can keep under control, but never truly get rid of?

thanks

have a good one

Oxy


If it can not be treated with antibiotics, surgery to replace the valve is then done.
Endocarditis can be hard to treat because of the location of the bacteria. Without the bodies own defenses it cannot send out those white blood cells to fight off the infection. The valves do not get a direct blood flow. They are just like hardware. They help with blood flow, but don't receive it!

[mrklean]

I am always posting about how idiotic banging C is, this is yet another reason why it is really foolish. You start shooting so compulsively that it is pretty mucha given that if you shoot coke you will end up with this and other equally or more serious conditions, and quickly. Not that shooting anything else is a good idea I just personally like to share that I think it is a terrible thing to do in hopes that I will never ever do it agin myself. Maybe if I tell everyone then someone will tell me and I'll listen.

[Woowoo]

I have a question, about injecting "talc"

When I think "talc" I think a fine powdery substance like chalk.

When I hit up, it's all a liquid (or so I think). So is talc present in microscopic quantities, suspended in that liquid, or does it dissolve into the liquid?

If talc does dissolve, then what's the problem, it should just get worked out of our system like anything else we consume (alcohol etc.) and I don't see why it would get "stuck in the lung" if it was dissolved.

But if it doesn't dissolve, if it's just a 'suspension' (is that the right chemical term?) then I can see the problem. But it also seems like a solvable problem... filter twice, or something?

Does my question make any sense...?

[candy]

Woo, it does, but it is hard to filter out those substances like talc or other filters, They are pills and not meant to be injected. Some of those substances are in there to prevent injection.


Tiny particles can get into the solution that you are going to inject and boom, they lodge in very tiny capillaries in the lungs, which over time can lead to pulmonary problems.