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[DaOxyMan]

i have been using H for a some time now but never IV and am feeling now that it may be necessary as tolerance is rising and i am curious.. i know there is many forumns on this site about safe shooting and methods and i have read them all but if someone experienced could PLEASE tell me a very very DETAILED step by step procedure (as if i was an idiot who knew nothing about shooting) it would be very appreciated!! thank you!

[milky_tears]

Ok, here we go:-
1) Put H in spoon with water (+ citric for some H) And heat if needed
2) Get a little cotton ball or a slice off a piece of the filter from a cigarette, put it in the gear and draw your H through it into your clean and fresh works.
3) Tie something like a scarf round the top of your arm, quite tight above the musscle. (I never bothered with this step.)
4) Hopefully you aren't a big fatty and you can see at least 1 nice big vein popping out of your arm... Screaming to be poked at!?
5) Point the now full works upwards (needle up.) And push every last bit of air out of the barrel
6) Most people say to insert the needle at abot 45 degrees, but I think it's easier to have the needle almost flat against my arm, and then just raise it like 25 or so, then slowly push... I hope you understood that!
7) When you think you have the end of the needle inside the vein, carefully use your thumb to pull back a tiny bit on the plunger- If you ARE in the vein, you'll get a little flower of blood blooming in the barrel. (Blood will flow into the barrel.) If not, pull out and try again, or have a bit of a poke about and try again untill you get the blood flowing back into the barrel... Then...
8) Slowly push down on the plunger with your thumb, steadying the works with the rest of your hand and BOOM! You're in heaven! (For a few hours.)
9) Carefully pull the needle back out at the same angle you went in at, then press down on the injection site for a few minutes so you don't bruise.

*EDIT*- 4.5) Clean injection site with an alcohol swab or similar

[DaOxyMan]

thanks alot man! hopefully everythin goes well! should be givin it a 'shot' (sorry couldn't resist lame pun haha) this weekend hopefully...let you know how it goes!

[ontario_opiophile]

Okay well I didn't really read all of what milky tears said but from my short look at it, thats as good a way to do it as any. So good luck with that. Theres one thing I would change in milky tears instructions.
Don't use the cigarette filter!!! It's bad news.
Cigarette filters often contain small synthetic fibres which can be sucked up into the needle and deposited into your veins. So basically you can be shooting up fibreglass! Most of the cigarette filters have fibreglass in them and some have charcoal in them. So it's always much safer to go with those little cotton pads you can buy for your face. Make sure you buy the ones that are just pure cotton. I suppose a cotton ball would do the trick too. Just make sure it's 100% cotton.

I am not a doctor nor do I inject drugs. Everything I have told you is only what i've read and heard from others. Please just make your own educated decision about what you should do. I believe that my advice is good advice though so don't be afraid to use it. :)

If you have powdered white heroin no acid of any kind should be needed. It should be fully soluble in water. If you have tar you should put some citric acid or acetic acid aka vinegar, in it to break it down better. If you have smoking heroin or the brown sugar type, if it wont dissolve in a tiny bit of water, you should use some citric acid like milky tears said, or use the vinegar.
If it wont dissolve add your acid and cook it up and find a vein, insert the needle on the 45 degree angle and slowly move the plunger back and it if fills with blood u know you have a vein. Inject at a slow speed maybe 1 ml per second or so but you can be the judge on that. Take the needle out of your arm the same way it came in and make sure to have a cotton swab near by to put on the needle hole, also get some tape and tape over it and hold it for 5-10 minutes.

Easy :) Good luck.
Use citric acid before you use vinegar to dissolve the H. And if possible don't use lemons juice because it can be contaminated with hepatitis and other goodies. It wont kill you to use lemon juice it's just better to have citric acid because it's cleaner. Don't hurt yourself, make sure to just try injecting with a small amount at first to make sure everything works out okay.

[candy]

Ontario_Opiophile,
Thanks for adding the comment about not using cig filters as a filter. It just freaks me out that people still practice this. Hell get a q-tip!

I think you guys covered all the basics. Especially important for a test shot being the first time.

Injecting is the only way I enjoy opiates, cannot imagine doing it any other way, unless your talking Stadol.

[bi11i]

I used cig filters for most of the years I used IV. Bad news. From my using and from a heart defect at birth, I managed to hook myself up with a little endocarditis. Now (and for the rest of my days) I'm looking at having to replace a valve in my heart, mostly from damage caused by my heroin use.

(Funny, i actually went to my cardiologist yesterday - I was the youngest person there by about 30 years. Makes me feel good that at 30 years old, I'm already one foot in the grave...)

[DaOxyMan]

good tips guys thanks! always good info from the guys in the know! cotton balls or q-tips it is. have a good time guys

[Evolbeaver]

can someone give an approx quantity that you would shoot in one dosage? I usually smoke it, so if you could compare it to that it would help me. I think i have been told in the past that you shoot like three times that you would usually smoke at a time? That seems excessive to me, i was thinking like three hits would be a good starting point... Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[milky_tears]

I'd say take half of what you'd usually smoke in one go (not one day!) and shoot that.

[Evolbeaver]

Well, I just did my first shot. Its been about ten minutes (im trapped in my room for a minute because my roomate's class was cancelled, so he came home while i was in the middle of it) and i feel pretty good. I got a little worried for a second because the skin looked all red and irritated, but it seems to be going away now, I was praying that i wasn't having a reaction or something. I only shot like 2/3 of a balloon, i usually smoke from two to four in a sitting, like two usually, four if i want to be fucked up but that is rare. I definatly feel it, took longer to kick up than what i would have thought, maybe because I only used so little, but smoking hits you WAY faster in my opinion. Getting slammed is definately more for your money but to me it isn't so much worth the hassle, Im gonna try to keep it for special occassions I think. Well know for sure next week. Next time I should definatly shoot more, but im going to hold off on that for a while. Oh, my question is what volume, cc's, is a typical shot? mine was only a bit over one cc, almost 1.25ish... is that normal? I could see how more dope needs more water, but if i try shooting a whole baloon next time should i try to keep the volume the same and get it more potent? or will the volume increase too? Thanks a lot for all the help, this forum is very helpful in so many ways.

[red26]

If your skin swelled up and was redand/or hot in the area you missed and thats why it hit you so slow. It happens to me too sometimes BUT when you hit a vein and get the whole shot in the sucker this irritation will not happen.

[Evolbeaver]

i wouldn't say my skin swelled up, but it was definatly red and a little bumpy. I think my first 1/3 of the shot may have not went completly into the vein, it got a bubble going so i stopped and pulled out, put pressure on the area and it all went away in like a minute, except for the redness and irritation. I then finished the shot about one inch down my arm on the same vein (i hope that isn't a really bad idea for some reason, injecting twice or pulling out mid shot). Im pretty sure the second attempt all made the target. Both time i was able to draw blood very easily, but this is the first time i have ever put a needle through any skin so im sure it is very possible i messed up somehow, i was very nervous too. Ill try it again sometime with more of a dose and be much more careful to get it in the vein, although i was pretty careful last time, so i dont know how much more sucessful i can be. So does anyone have an answer on the amount of cc's a shot should be? It seems very wierd to me to shoot liquid into your blood stream, i feel more comfortable about it if it is a potent mix, seems like im putting something in there, not just water. Anyway, some advice on that volume thing would be much help. Thanks again to everyone for all the replys and just participation at this site in general, it is all so very helpful. Ill check back soon, the more i talk and think about shooting the more appealing it slowly starts to become again, when this morning i was thinking i wasn't going to bother for a long time.... One shot really doesn't exist, I already know it.

[mort]

i wouldn't say my skin swelled up, but it was definatly red and a little bumpy. I think my first 1/3 of the shot may have not went completly into the vein, it got a bubble going so i stopped and pulled out, put pressure on the area and it all went away in like a minute, except for the redness and irritation. I then finished the shot about one inch down my arm on the same vein (i hope that isn't a really bad idea for some reason, injecting twice or pulling out mid shot). Im pretty sure the second attempt all made the target. Both time i was able to draw blood very easily, but this is the first time i have ever put a needle through any skin so im sure it is very possible i messed up somehow, i was very nervous too. Ill try it again sometime with more of a dose and be much more careful to get it in the vein, although i was pretty careful last time, so i dont know how much more sucessful i can be. So does anyone have an answer on the amount of cc's a shot should be? It seems very wierd to me to shoot liquid into your blood stream, i feel more comfortable about it if it is a potent mix, seems like im putting something in there, not just water. Anyway, some advice on that volume thing would be much help. Thanks again to everyone for all the replys and just participation at this site in general, it is all so very helpful. Ill check back soon, the more i talk and think about shooting the more appealing it slowly starts to become again, when this morning i was thinking i wasn't going to bother for a long time.... One shot really doesn't exist, I already know it.

Just wanted to reassure you that pulling out is the most appropriate thing to do if you think you've missed (why risk an abcess and waste your shot if you don't have to?); same goes for finding an upstream location for your the rest of the shot (don't hit the same site too often). Also, the more water, the better (when it's a highly concentrated solution you have a higher risk of damage to the vein you're hitting, due to the acidic nature of the solution you're shooting).

[candy]

Evolbeaver, just a note regarding your skin being red and bumpy. If you did not miss the shot and were in the vein, that type of reaction is quite common. Our veins and arteries are semi-permeable.
Meaning that fluid injected into a vein can pass through the walls of the vein, causing the surrounding tissue to become irritated. It has happened to me several times and it should go away fairly quickly. If you do miss a shot, the skin will swell and feel hard and warm to the touch.
When injecting always check to see if you get a flash of blood. Most often if you are in the vein you should get a flash as soon as you hit the vein. If you do get a flash, but nothing when you pull back on the plunger, try pulling back slightly on the needle. Often times the needle can be up against the wall of the vein and pulling back slightly will help. Sometimes the needle can actually pass through the vein, pulling back slightly can help in this situation as well.
If injecting is something you plan on continuing, try to rotate your sites with each injection. This will prevent scarring.
If you do miss, putting a warm compress on right away will help the fluid to absorb quicker and will prevent any abscesses from forming.
Abscesses usually form after a missed shot or injecting into the muscle or skin. The fluid sits in the tissue under the skin and becomes a breeding ground for bacteria. This leads to an abscess. Using a warm compress will help to prevent this. Avoid injecting into the area above and below a missed shot. If you can use the other arm for a few days, rotating sites. With a missed shot, the circulation is decreased.
Good luck.

[Evolbeaver]

yeah, judging by the blood that i was able to draw very easily i think i was in the vein. Even when the shot was all finished i pulled back on the plunger a bit and it filled with blood, hope that is an okay thing to do, i just wanted to check that i was indeed in the right place. I also had the needle rotated in such a way that if the tip was resting against the far side of the vein (I don't think it was because i was at a pretty steep angle, meaning more close to parallel with the vein) the opening of the tip would be facing the blood flow so it wouldn't have been plugged. I glad that i tried a shot, it has always been something that i have been curious about, and im glad that i got to try it in a familiar, clean situation rather than just waiting for it to come up, when circumstances would have undoubtedly been more uncertain. For now, i think that ill just stick to smoking, it seems to be more pleasurable to me, i enjoy the procedure of smoking, especially with friends, and i don't enjoy needles so much. Im sure ill do it again someday, possibly for a special occassion. Thank you to everyone for the help and advice, it all goes a long way. Later.

[abraxis]

The harm-reduction coalition has a decent little online guide to injecting:

http://www.harmreduction.org/pubs/PUBSpdfs/idu_manual.pdf

It covers things like what veins to use and how to hit them in considerable detail. I've found it helpfull. Best of luck.

[Tar_Baby]

Heroin will irritate the skin even in the vein..when I used to shoot heroin sometimes I would get a red splotch all the way up my arm along the vein.

[Trisma]

I think it should be added that if you use a scarf or something like that. Don´t forget to loosen it before pushing in the plunger. Otherwise u might make the vein burst. :( And u do NOT want that.

[CUBErt]

Hey man I know you're new here, and thats prolly a good piece of info, but take a look at the post dates. This is a thread from 2005

[Sitar]

No harm in adding useful info to the thread, tho.

In regard to loosening the arm tie, SWIM found out the hard way that you must absolutely loosen the tie at least before you pull out the needle or SQUIRT! SWIM was so nervous the first time he tried IV morphine, he forgot to take the tie off before pulling out the needle. Yeah, that was a scary lesson. Duh. For just a split second, as a result of the gush of blood that sprayed from SWIM's arm, SWIM thought he'd hit an artery.

Fortunately, most of the hit still made it's way into SWIM's system before the squirt happened. That made SWIM feel not quite as stupid.

[blackdog]

wow talk about good pipes!! i'm impressed i've never seen that. hah
dawgg

[Out_of_pokeys]

I was just gonna say hurray for longsleeves weather, but then i realized it was an old thread....


I saw the edit/delete post icon, but i counldn't see where to delete it :o

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

every one does it differently, in one lil thing or another.
vinegar aint good for you or is it ?

[nick]

Always used citric myself.

[AWOL]

Yes, this is an old thread but people are still reading it and it has EXCELENT info in it so I'm going to tag a little something on here too =). Just thought I'd add that if this is your first time shooting, shoot 60% or so .. wait, then shoot the rest. I know many many people will disagree with me, but less of a rush your first time is much better than dead. I never felt that safe slaming it all in one go ever from score to score with how the purity varies. But on your first time and all, well, the old adage of better safe than sorry seems to apply well.

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

I would say shoot HALF, wait 2 minutes and then the rest [u can take it out for the 2 minutes]

as for the quantity, okay if u have a habit (doesnt matter if u didnt inject before) you already have tolerance to it.... so use abit less then you would burn.

anyway , you should feel the same sort of pleasure from IVing as from Smoking -definately not less pleasure.


Nearly everyone here gets their fits from an Exchange place, and they are mostly 1cc (27G x 1/2") TERUMO brand insulin syringe. I use the same ones for heroin , meth, and pills (mscontin, oxycotton) with heroin depends how much i would be having, but 40 units of water is enough so... half of 1cc basically.
its just uncomfortable to be putting more water in the 1cc , and if that is what they give out to heroin users in the first place........ i think they would have researched that part./

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

ANOTHER ImpoRTANT THING; best way to get good at it, is to practice it with no heroin in the first place, just water. Safest way to practice and you shouldnt freak out if something 'bad' will happen. and the most important, with no heroin there you will feel what youre actually doing to urself (the damage caused by injecting, and the rest of it)

you cant really hurt yourself then, unless you're putting boiling water in there or pumping 2cc's of air into yourself...

[AWOL]

okay if u have a habit (doesnt matter if u didnt inject before) you already have tolerance to it.... so use abit less then you would burn.

If all they've ever done is smoke it, you loose a lot of product that way. I don't know if you've personaly ever had a friend die of an OD, but I can tell you that it can happen to anybody. Dragon chasers are actually pretty safe as far as risk of OD goes, jump that up to IV and their mentality might not quite yet grasp the dangers. I'd say use quite a lot less than you would burn. But then I really don't want to hear of even one more user die of an OD chasing the rush.

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

see man, depends what the *product* actually is, if they have been smoking the Smokeable heroin then they wouldnt be losing that much of it, if they are smoking the Injectable heroin then they are burning alot of it away into the air......

really , I think they are smarter to find safe injecting information on WWW and not just put their life on the line and do what you or me or someone else posts on here.

OH Btw: I didnt have any friend OD and die , and I dont want to have a friend that does that.

[Narkotikon]

Heroin will irritate the skin even in the vein..when I used to shoot heroin sometimes I would get a red splotch all the way up my arm along the vein.

You know, that's true. It happened to me this past Tuesday. I was using the little vein in my left wrist (underside), and I didn't miss, but immediately afterward I got a red spot and it was like traveling up the vein. It was about a half and inch to an inch long, but went away. I also most always get red irritated spots when I shoot. Again, it's not that I'm missing, it's that it's just irritating, you know? When I first started injecting, I did miss, and OMG, my entire arm turned black / blue from where the injected liquid was just underneath my skin. Luckily it went away in a few days and nothing bad happened, but you'll definitely know if you miss. Have a red bump or inflamed looking area for a little while afterwards is common, at least for me.

Edit: Yeah, about the cigarette filter, like everyone else has said DO NOT USE A CIG FILTER. I know that you see it in movies sometimes and what not, but like someone said, it's got fiberglass and other nasty things in it. Just use a little piece of cotton wadded up off of a Q-tip.

[greenfox]

You know, that's true. It happened to me this past Tuesday. I was using the little vein in my left wrist (underside), and I didn't miss, but immediately afterward I got a red spot and it was like traveling up the vein. It was about a half and inch to an inch long, but went away. I also most always get red irritated spots when I shoot. Again, it's not that I'm missing, it's that it's just irritating, you know? When I first started injecting, I did miss, and OMG, my entire arm turned black / blue from where the injected liquid was just underneath my skin. Luckily it went away in a few days and nothing bad happened, but you'll definitely know if you miss. Have a red bump or inflamed looking area for a little while afterwards is common, at least for me.

if the bump goes away but there's like an inch of diamater and it hurts...is that bad? Does swim have to worry?

[TABAKMAN]

start sh00tin!!!!!!!!

[Chipper]

I usually smoke it, so if you could compare it to that it would help me. I think i have been told in the past that you shoot like three times that you would usually smoke at a time?

I don't know about the 3-to-1 ratio but it's probably the wrong way around..ie, use only a third of what you smoke.

A really good idea is that you prepare your mix and *tap* in 1/3 of it and then wait 90 seconds. Then tap in another third and wait again. By now you will have an idea of how it will affect you and you may be able to have the remaining 1/3.

Even better, try to find a sitter and take lots of care. Slow and steady, mate...