Salvia- class of effects?

[Hammilton]

Howdy,

this isn't the usual sort of thread that I start, but I'm thinking of trying a SL salvia trip, and I was wondering if anyone here has much/any experience with this drug, and that route of administration. I think Jacky has, but I'm not certain. My memory isn't that good.

Anyway, I checked out Erowid and I see that Salvia is called an "atypical psychedelic"- but is that an accurate description? To me, Salvia seems like a dissociative whose smoked dissociative effects produce such an incredibly intense effects that it isn't recognized as such.

Erowid hasn't very much info on the oral use of the drug, or the classification of effects so I thought I'd post here and see if anyone has any opinions on this subject.

I know I've complained about people asking for trip reports of a various substance, but that isn't quite what I'm doing here. What I want to know is:

1. What sorts of effects did you experience (with regard to your ROA)

1b. How do the effects differ with a different ROA?

2. How would you classify the effects of this drug?

2b. Would your classification of this drug change when the ROA is changed?

Is this just an unusual psychedelic, but still not unlike LSD or Mescaline. Is this just a particularly intense DMT-intense (when smoked) ketamine-style dissociative?

Is Sublingual administration of Salvia or Salvinorin-A at moderate doses- not sized in a way that the effects rival smoked salvia at peak- a controllable drug?

I mean, if I were to dose a low- to mid-range quantity of Salvia tincture, would this be the sort of experience I need a sitter for? If I were to do this, how do I best enjoy the trip? lay down on my bed and enter a Salvia-hole? Walk around and enjoy "salvia-legs" and the shifting gravity?

How does taking a hit of nitrous alter the effects? I'd think that if Salvia is properly classed as a dissociative then some N2O would seriously increase the dissociation, but not the amount of "trip" or hallucinations. Or I dunno.

What do you guys think?

[youwonhundred]

While I have never tried it, it sounds like fun. I know my boy Purp has tried it, and could possibly help you out, as well as Jacky, and I assume many others. However it turns out, keep the thread updated cause I've never met a drug I didn't like with the exception of crystal meth (I HATE THAT SHIT) and if the report is favorable, I would be a lot more likely to give it a go.

[Woowoo]

1. What sorts of effects did you experience (with regard to your ROA)
I smoked it. The universe collapsed in on itself, the Grand Spider was watching over me, the rollercoast went all the way to the top then the bottom fell out. Then the Mexican children were screaming, the tube kept flowing and flowing until finally it deposited me on my arm. After that, things started to get weird.
How do the effects differ with a different ROA?
I only smoked it, sorry.
How would you classify the effects of this drug?
A gateway into another dimension.
Would your classification of this drug change when the ROA is changed?
I'm sure the oral effects cannot compare to smoking it. Smoking a tiny amount of it produces some weird tactile hallucinations and a creepy feeling on my skin; I can only imagine that oral doses approximate that, but for a longer period of time.
Is this just an unusual psychedelic, but still not unlike LSD or Mescaline. Is this just a particularly intense DMT-intense (when smoked) ketamine-style dissociative?
It's proof of a spirit world. If that's what you call an "unusual psychedelic" then so be it.
Is Sublingual administration of Salvia or Salvinorin-A at moderate doses- not sized in a way that the effects rival smoked salvia at peak- a controllable drug?
I mean, if I were to dose a low- to mid-range quantity of Salvia tincture, would this be the sort of experience I need a sitter for?
I doubt it, but you might want to do it with a friend. Remember please, it's not fun in any sense of the word. I used to love the hell out of LSD and shrooms, so you'd think I would enjoy just about any psychedelic, but I draw the line here. On very large doses, I had first class hallucinations that defy description, and later was left with an itchy/creepy feeling all over. On smaller doses, I only got the itchy/creepy feeling. Ergo, I advocate large doses only. Or better yet, just forget it.
If I were to do this, how do I best enjoy the trip? lay down on my bed and enter a Salvia-hole? Walk around and enjoy "salvia-legs" and the shifting gravity?
ENJOY THE TRIP? Ohhhhh man, you got a lot to learn about Salvia. You won't enjoy it. It's not enjoyable. But it is interesting to say the least, at least if you have a breakthrough experience.
How does taking a hit of nitrous alter the effects?
Now you're just being silly :D
Take care...
Woo

[Dan Steely]

You need someone to look out for you while you trip out. I think it only lasts like 5 min. It could be dangerous to do by yourself. You really could hurt yourself. I think its way not worth it. it reminded me of sucking air brush propellant(Very dumb I know, i was young and ignorant) It hurt my head, and I wish I had never done it.

[Dan Steely]

woowoo nailed it when he said "better still just forget it" and he definately knows what he is talking about.

[Hammilton]

Nah dude, I've used Salvia lots of times. Probably in the hundreds, now, actually.

I'm just trying to see how people here would classify the effects of sublingually dosed salvia.

[Chemical_Boy]

I put it in the JHCOBWTFJH class drugs?


Jesus H Christ on a Bicyle, What the Fuck Just Happened?????



Smoked, it is a very bizarre experience that encompasses both dissociative and hallucinogenic effects.

My first time, I just hit threshold effects where it was more of a zoned out visual experience- the visuals were not easy to explain- everything in the room around me looked the same (there were no breathing walls or other lsd/psilocybin type effects). It was more in the way that my brain was interpreting the view of the room. I would zone and everything would be almost unrecognizable. It would look almost like a painting of something else other than what I was looking at- in this case some stairs and a living room. Shit looked more like a landscape or something. It is very hard to describe.

If you take a dose that causes you to break through, just KISS YOUR ASS GOODBYE!!!

Closet thing that I can compare it to (and this is obviously a very subjective observation) is a fucking full-blown, out of your head, deep-motherfuckin-deep K hole. But not near as soothing and you loose your ego far more completely with Sally.


The only way that I have done it is smoked with 20X extract. One brand of 20X did hardly anything. The other brand rocked my ass in a way that I was not expecting.


:eek:Jesus H Christ on a Bicyle, What the Fuck Just Happened?????:eek:

[zenpunk]

When I did this (with a friend) I was watching 12 Monkeys on TV. Everything got a rainbow around it and the sofa was falling backward yet I was hurtling towards the TV. Bruce Willis turned to me from the movie and said "you should know you are too mentally unstable to be taking hallucinogenics. No Shit thats what it was.

And I never did it again - scared the hell out me!

[dirtdog]

I fell down the rabbit hole and was looking at aces of spades all over and finally caught the rabbit and was beating it up.

When I came out of the rabbit hole I had my hands around my dogs throat.
I felt stoned/tired afterwards.
I dont like it
I always start fights.

You wont know where youre really at during your trip. Wont matter if you lay down or whatever..

and I only smoked it.

[Sitar]

I'm terrified to ever smoke Salvia again after a most alarming and frightening experience with 5x extract. I can't believe people mess with 20x extract these days, or why that's even produced.

I did try 10x extract sublingual and it did nothing. I took a huge wad of it and used it just like I had read it was chewed traditionally. I felt absolutely nothing from it at all, and was surprised by that given the potency of the material, although I did wind up napping briefly after about 40 minutes.

It doesn't matter anyway, Salvia will probably soon become illegal in the US, what with the proliferation of dumbass teenagers posting videos of themselves on YouTube using it. It's going to cause a hysteria which will lead to an emergency Schedule I status. Just you watch.

I think teenagers wind up ruining everything for everybody. Always have, always will. Assholes.

[soulninja]

I did the 20x ...and holy shit.Its really hard to explain.I think i actually blacked out for the first few minutes and when i remember being able to see and sort of think,I actually thought i had been in a coma for my whole life and had just awoke back into real life.I heard people saying its ok John,its ok,everything is fine,but i was alone.I saw all kinds of stuff and i remember thinking i was at the price is rite for a minute or so..lol.I like to trip and all but that shit is fucked!I am going to try oral admin. someday i hear thats alot nicer.

[Chemical_Boy]

I'm terrified to ever smoke Salvia again after a most alarming and frightening experience with 5x extract. I can't believe people mess with 20x extract these days, or why that's even produced.

I did try 10x extract sublingual and it did nothing. I took a huge wad of it and used it just like I had read it was chewed traditionally. I felt absolutely nothing from it at all, and was surprised by that given the potency of the material, although I did wind up napping briefly after about 40 minutes.

It doesn't matter anyway, Salvia will probably soon become illegal in the US, what with the proliferation of dumbass teenagers posting videos of themselves on YouTube using it. It's going to cause a hysteria which will lead to an emergency Schedule I status. Just you watch.

I think teenagers wind up ruining everything for everybody. Always have, always will. Assholes.

I did the 20x ...and holy shit.Its really hard to explain.I think i actually blacked out for the first few minutes and when i remember being able to see and sort of think,I actually thought i had been in a coma for my whole life and had just awoke back into real life.I heard people saying its ok John,its ok,everything is fine,but i was alone.I saw all kinds of stuff and i remember thinking i was at the price is rite for a minute or so..lol.I like to trip and all but that shit is fucked!I am going to try oral admin. someday i hear thats alot nicer.
Dud the same shop I got my 20X from had 60X from the same company. I don't know if that is BS or what, but JFC I can't imagine what that would do to you..
Also, some people extract the salvinorum A and smoke the pure crystals. Like LSD, Salvinorum A is active in the mcg range. I can not even fathom what taking a hit of 10mg of pure crystalized SAlvinorum would be like.

Good God!!!!!!!!

[soulninja]

Dud the same shop I got my 20X from had 60X from the same company. I don't know if that is BS or what, but JFC I can't imagine what that would do to you..
Also, some people extract the salvinorum A and smoke the pure crystals. Like LSD, Salvinorum A is active in the mcg range. I can not even fathom what taking a hit of 10mg of pure crystalized SAlvinorum would be like.

Good God!!!!!!!!


Jesus H Christ!FUck that Chem! Someone would have to physicly hold me down to make me do 60x.
More power to anyone willing to risk there sanity though,damn.

[405FREEWAY]

As we all know, smoking it causes a powerful, short lived , intense high........what me and my friends do.....is make tea with it. Make tea with your product , just like you would POD tea, then chug. Effects come on quick, but last around an hour, strong! Like the height of smoking it, for an hour.....so hold on!!!

[Sitar]

I've read that orally ingesting it doesn't work that well.

[soulninja]

I've read that orally ingesting it doesn't work that well.


The way i read about oral admin. was to get the fresh leaves and roll like cigars andkeep in your mouth for a long time but not swallow the juice.I guess its for sublingually administration.I've read it works well and lasts longer.

[Sitar]

Right... I'm talking about the tea method mentioned earlier. I've always read that swallowing it won't really work too well.

[Paregoric Kid]

opioid dissassociative psychedelic

[chemboy7]

I'd say Salvia is in a class of it's own really. I have never had another drug produce effects that even remotely resemble that of Salvia Divinorum. The closest thing that comes to mind is DMT/5-Meo-DMT, but that is only because of the extremely fast onset and how it almost blast you into a different reality out of your head cannon. Except it doesn't really blast you up like our familiar Tryptamine freinds, instead it kind of pulls you down and to the right. Very weird indeed and I agree with whoever (I believe it was Woo) that said it isn't really a drug that you enjoy... it's one that you endure. Which I can say about IV'ed/smoked (not orally with an MAOI though) DMT/5-Meo-DMT too but atleast those drugs provide some personal reflection and insite - a reason to do them; I don't get that from the diviner's sage though. It's unique in that way. It's not that everything is moving too fast to comprehend like heavy doses of some psychedelics or dissociatives either because even small doses of Salvia feel so alien there is no up or down, no way to understand what's going on all around you or the meaning of it all.

One side note, it was either 3 or 4 years ago that there were a few vendors, one in specific that I can think of off the top of my head, that sold pure Salvinorum A. That shit is highly active in micrograms. I just dissolved it in solvent and saturated some shit-town brown weed shake that wasn't any good to begin with and even though I measured/weighed it to be just a heavy dose, and not an overwhealming one, that stuff was just too potent to smoke. I ended up using the rest of it sublingually in various matrixs... very interesting to say the least, but definately not recreational. Everytime I went into a Salvia trip I had the mindset that I was going to try to bring something back with me like a shaman but it always just left me with more questions. She's a weird drug, that Salvinorum A, one that I think'll end up sitting on the chem shelf for quite some time before I indulge on that stuff again.

[Hammilton]

As we all know, smoking it causes a powerful, short lived , intense high........what me and my friends do.....is make tea with it. Make tea with your product , just like you would POD tea, then chug. Effects come on quick, but last around an hour, strong! Like the height of smoking it, for an hour.....so hold on!!!

Tea absolutely, postively, does not work. A few years ago, just for the hell of it- since I had 5x extract and fresh leaves- I made tea with different sorts of 'x's'- I used an ounce of the fresh leaves in one cup, a cup of 5x (with 7 times what I would smoke) and also made a 10x extract from the fresh leaves- I ended up smoking most of the 10x, but I put some into a cup of tea- about 15 times what I would smoke.

I drank all of these myself with 2 to 4 days between each 'dose.' Didn't even get a placebo buzz. A lot of herbalists get hooked on that placebo buzz, and damnit- i was looking forward to it.

A lot of people look down on it- but not me. I respect anyone who can handle a placebo and still drive. They're fucking potent. It's amazing what the mind can do to itself. Okay, I'm kidding- sorta. There are definitely people who react to a placebo in such intense ways that I sure as hell wouldn't get into a car with them.

[stvip]

Actually, tea does work. It was the traditional ROA for a certain Native American tribe (don't remember which one). Salvinorin A is present on leaf trichomes, so rubbing the leaves in water creates a suspension of the compound. When the suspension is swallowed, sufficient quantities are absorbed transmucosally from the buccal and esophagal areas. It's quite wasteful, however.

[chemboy7]

Actually, tea does work. It was the traditional ROA for a certain Native American tribe (don't remember which one). Salvinorin A is present on leaf trichomes, so rubbing the leaves in water creates a suspension of the compound. When the suspension is swallowed, sufficient quantities are absorbed transmucosally from the buccal and esophagal areas. It's quite wasteful, however.

Work's much more efficiently sublingually, it's a different trip than when smoked but still not something that I would say I enjoyed.

[djnarkotik]

the salvia plant is verrrry interesting

[existential_apathy]

I am a very experienced salvia user. I've smoked salvia about 20 times and have used it sublingually probably near a 100 times. The effects are best classed as dissociative. The effects are very different depending on your route of administration. It's very hard to describe the effects in words but I will try.

Smoked:
Very disorienting. Before you exhale there is a very good chance that you will forget that you are holding a pipe or even using salvia divinorum. You will be very very confused. You may forget who you are or even lack any sort of identity whatsoever. You will lose all balance and your hands may start twitching (NEVER SMOKE SALVIA STANDING UP OR SITTING IN A CHAIR WHICH YOU MAY FALL OFF OF). At high enough dosages you will completely enter an entirely different world with an entirely new identity. There are usually strong open-eyed visuals. Edges become much more pronounced. You may experience a flattening feeling and feel that you are becoming attached to a wall or a couch or chair. There is sometimes a sort of gravity feeling of being pushed either to the side or backwards. Objects will gain entirely new meanings even if they visually remain the same. I commonly get the sensation of there being people in my room who are not really there. These may either be people I know, such as friends, neighbors, or relatives, or spirits. Effects seems to peak around 5-10 seconds after you exhale and remain very strong for about three minutes afterwards. (Three minutes is a very long time in that state). Effects will start to taper off after three minutes but you'll continue to trip for about 10 minutes.


Sublingual:
Effects are much less dramatic than when smoked. They will start around 15 minutes after sticking the leaves under your tongue. It starts as a sort of dream-like dissociative. Visually things usually look the same but "how" they look will be different. Colors will be a little off. Music sounds differently. Things like trees or plants may start to appear fake. Your whole perception of the world starts shifting. Your perception of self alters. You'll enter weird emotional and perceptual states. I often feel like a child again. Closing my eyes usually gives me strong closed eye visuals. Effects will last around an hour if you keep the leaves under your tongue, or about 30 minutes after you spit it out. There is usually a pleasant afterglow that follows you for the rest of the day.

Overall, using salvia sublingually is a much more rewarding experience than smoking it. Most mature salvia users and psychonauts will have a strong preference for using it sublingually, while party-goers seem to like smoking it. It is also much more cost-effective to use salvia sublingually. Salvia foliage will give you one of the cheapest trips you can get.

To use it sublingually just grab a handful of leaves and stick it under your tongue. If your trip is not strong enough then keep adding more leaves. Keep the leaves there for the duration that you want to trip, and spit it out when you want the trip to end. DO NOT EAT THE SALVIA LEAVES. SALVIA DOES NOT WORK BY EATING IT. I can not tell you how many people think that you are supposed to eat the leaves, and then are angry when it does not do anything. It's very frustrating.
A novice mistake is to wash the leaves off with water before using them. Washing them washes most of the salvinorum off of the leaf, dramatically weakening their potency. Another novice mistake is to spit out the leaves as soon as the effects start. The effects will start to wear off immediately after you spit out the leaves, so doing this ends the trip prematurely. If you keep the leaves under your mouth they will be good for about an hour.

Finally many people complain about the taste of leaves. Salvia really does not have a bad taste. It is slightly bitter. The bitterness is definitely worth it for the unique experience that sublingual salvia provides.

[resorcinol]

I've never tried Salvia D, but from reading others' trip reports on erowid and bluelight, I don't know why it's sometimes classified as a "dissociative" type psychedelic. The feelings describe sound NOTHING like a dissociative experience, which I have extensive experience with through high doses of DXM. Salvia sounds nothing like a dissociative psychedelic experience.

I actually think Salvia sounds pretty UN pleasant, but to each his own. We know it causes psychedelic effects by acting as a potent agonist of the k-opioid receptor, so it's certainly a novel hallucinogen in the way it produces effects. It'd be interesting to better understand how activating the k-opioid receptor produces hallucinatory changes in perception -- effects that are markedly different from those produced by this forums' drugs of choice, mu-opioid receptor agonists. We know more about how "classical" 5-HT(2a) agonist psychedelics produce hallucinatory experiences thanks largely to the massive popularity of LSD for several decades, and the studies of agonism of the 5-HT(2a) receptor that followed. With k-opioid agonists like Salvia, AFAIK, we don't know the mechanism of action downstream for producing hallucinogenic effects.

It's odd how different the two major opioid type neuromodulatory receptors differ in their effects on downstream brain activity are. The mu-receptor produces downstream disinhibition of dopamine release in the NAc shell, and this higher than normal level of dopamine in these synapses is quite likely a huge part of the reason that mu-opioid agonists are so euphoric (it provides a solid "link" between opioids and the other intrinsically euphoric drug class, psychomotor stimulants -- the link being increased dopamine concentrations in the synapses of and thus greater dopaminergic signal transduction in the NAc shell).

What effects does kappa-opioid receptor activation have on downstream neurotransmission? That's the question I'd love to know the answer to. Maybe there have been studies that have offered some information that I haven't seen yet; if such information is out there, please link to it.

I tried shrooms once and really enjoyed the experience (I was on a high dose of pod tea at the same time, which I took to ensure that anxiety wouldn't make my trip go sour, and I feel that it worked very well).

From what I've read about salvia, I just have a feeling it would be a nighmarish bad trip for me, which is why I plan to never try it. Hallucinatory experience mediated by a mech of action known to be intrinsically DYSPHORIC sounds very unpleasant to me. With classical psychedelics, 5-HT(2a) agonists and partial agonists, AFAIK the effect on mood is neither intrinsically euphoric or dysphoric, so a trip is equally likely to go either way (bad or good) where with salvia, the fact that kappa agonism is strongly suspected to be intrinsically dysphoric leads me to feel that Salvia is much more likely to produce a bad trip than classical psychedelics. With the classicals, I can at least take a strongly euphoric and anxiolytic agent alongside to significantly minimize the chances of a bad trip -- IDK that this would work well with a k-agonist like Salvia.

Regardless, I wouldn't classify Salvia's effects as "dissociative" (though I admit this is based on reading trip reports since I've never tried salvia and never plan to). I associate "dissociative" with NMDA antagonist psychedelics -- DXM, PCP, Ketamine -- DXM being the one I have much experience with, and salvia sounds nothing like a DXM trip, and it has a very different mech of action too -- so I don't get the "dissociative" classification that some people give Salvia.

I'd say it could only at this time be called an "atypical hallucinogen". It produces a hallucinogen effect, but by a novel mechanism of action which we don't know a whole lot about.

[Synack]

Check out Clinical Toxicology, Feb 2008, Vol. 46, Issue 2. .. Has some good info on kratom and Salvia... I'll post some of it later.

[Deadfiend]

I ended out of my live room to out side yelling about something "as to were all going to die!!!", and this is with a ton of drugs already in m baby by the Salvia took over ever little bit, damm I wish I had A sitter........
I'm not sure about it anymore.....

[imalgen]

quote"I've never tried Salvia D, but from reading others' trip reports on erowid and bluelight, I don't know why it's sometimes classified as a "dissociative" type psychedelic. The feelings describe sound NOTHING like a dissociative experience, which I have extensive experience with through high doses of DXM."
---resorcinol (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=2290)



Time to try some then. :)

SalDiv is very much dissociating in the same way (my opinion here, not fact, and i am not trying to compare a natural with a synthetic. but is the only frame of reference i have) that ketamine is. Never really felt that k/dxm were much alike at all. Some believe there is an underlying secret relationship between ketamine and salvia and the places they take you - be it physiologically or metaphysically. VERY similar experience for me(with over 11 years experience with both).

[pinn3d]

I've used salvia several times; the last time was about 2 years ago----- I am of the persuasion that it is not 'recreational'--- although I do recall laughing uncontrollably a couple of times on that stuff----\

I always Smoked it------ like others have said, you often forget you are holding a pipe, or taking a drug at all----for me, all of my surroundings, and the whole universe, for that matter, seems to become conscious and alive....looking down on me from the perspective of some ancient primitive awareness......... It can be hard to distinguish between one object and another-------everything is just one process going on, and it can be very hard to determine where 'I' fit into all of this......also I can confirm the similar experience many users have of feeling a strong 'feminine presence'... which some attribute the actual drug itself to be a female goddess.....

Towards the end of my experimenting with the drug, I began to try and use it as a sort of marijuana replacement----- by this i mean I would gradually smoke tiny tiny amounts of salvia in an attempt to just get 'mildly stoned'------ it doesnt seem to work-----the drug really seems to just squash any attempt of your ego to 'enjoy' the drug to its own little end..... its like the drug won't allow itself to be taken lightly----- it never fails to instantly dissolve the little barriers and limitations of my ego and show me that something much more grand and complex is going on here that my simple mind could ever grasp--- so getting a fun little 'buzz' of fof it just seems out of the question....

I never had any terrifying experiences with it---- i was mainly using the 10x extract smoking in a bong------I may try it again someday, but I am in no hurry.....

[More Feen]

Like others have stated: a salvia experience is unlike any other substance I've tried.

I've only smoked it, so the other ROA & their effects are unknown to me.

The best way I can relate my experiences with it, it did seem to have some similar qualities to dissociative drugs like K. There were some strong mental imagery like after smoking some good, trippy pot.

From first toke to emergence takes maybe 1-2 minutes. Its a roller-coaster ride from hell: like being sling-shotted down a K-Hole, there are some very strong bodily sensations--imagine getting tackled to the ground by 6 guys. There was some imagery--mostly in yellow-green colours, some stuff I cannot remember, then a slow, gentle escalator ride back to a normal state.

There are a some substances that actually inhibit, or deter a person from trying them again: Acid can make you realize you don't need to trip anymore, salvia makes you realize that smoking it can catapult you to many different and unpleasant places.

Maybe the ROA you're looking for will lead to better trips.

Good luck !

M F

[More Feen]

Oh Yeah--Have an experienced sitter. 100% a great idea.

[HistoryofMadness]

opioid dissassociative psychedelic

bingo.

my experience was smoked, quid (buccal), and oral (tea w/high concentrate alcohol).

it is much more physical than any other psych, probably because it is an opioid. but it really isn't like the "other" opioid psych (DXM) at all, except both are kappa agonists.


1. What sorts of effects did you experience (with regard to your ROA)

smoked - mind fuck.

buccal - body twist.

1b. How do the effects differ with a different ROA?

dramatically.

2. How would you classify the effects of this drug?

what PK said.

2b. Would your classification of this drug change when the ROA is changed?

buccally it would be more of an opioid and less of a psych.

[LeChuck]

Salvia is the most fucked up shit I've taken in my life. It affects people really differently. The first time I smoked it I had a 20x extract and a torch lighter, taking bong rips. After a couple hits you're thinking it's bullshit, no effect. Then I suddenly dropped the bong, spilled the water everywhere, and *completely* lost touch with reality. I remember thinking at one point I was a tree, and that little men were chopping off my limbs and carrying them off. My girlfriend told me it was just my cat attacking my feet, but it scared the shit out of me at the time. After the high was over I was *really* irritable and nasty for about an hour. It is absolutely not a "social" drug, though you need a sitter who will watch you but leave you the fuck alone unless you're in danger of hurting yourself.

I convinced several of my friends to try salvia as well. A couple just laughed hysterically for about 10 minutes. One of them said he felt no effects, then took a few more rips, dropped the bong, and just sat there drooling for about 10 minutes. Didn't remember any of the trip. Another friend fell to the ground, starting trembling around in what looked like a seizure, then got up and started walking around, bumping into things and babbling incoherently. We had to restrain him from keeping himself from accidentally hurting himself. He also said he didn't remember anything after the trip ended.

Salvia is not a fun drug. Use with caution...

[bronyraur]

<snip>

Salvia is not a fun drug. Use with caution...

That's pretty much how I feel about it. The first time I used it (smoked), I took way too much. I lost track of all space and time. It was truly scary as hell. All I remember is the drug beginning to wear off, and coming back to reality.

The second time I tried it (a much smaller dose) I experienced a strong disassociative effect, along with strong (but short-lived) paranoia. It is one of the few drugs on my "never again" list.

Salvia is not to be taken lightly.

[imalgen]

The second time I tried it (a much smaller dose) I experienced a strong disassociative effect, along with strong (but short-lived) paranoia. It is one of the few drugs on my "never again" list.

Salvia is not to be taken lightly.

At one point (about 7 years ago) I said to myself "never again" as it was TERRIFYING! Then had a strange feeling like an old friend was calling me...so i decided to try again. Thankfully i DID try again, as Salvia divinorum is a great teacher and an excellent tool in bettering ones life. Excellent to rid yourself of headaches, be them migraine or not. Helpful for anger management, OCD and i can only imagine many many others health issues if used in the correct context.

Salvia is NOT to be taken lightly! It is too be respected like anything else. I think tonight may be a visitation night just before bed actually. :) I have been hearing that metaphysical phone ring lately.

[LeChuck]

That's pretty much how I feel about it. The first time I used it (smoked), I took way too much. I lost track of all space and time. It was truly scary as hell. All I remember is the drug beginning to wear off, and coming back to reality.

The second time I tried it (a much smaller dose) I experienced a strong disassociative effect, along with strong (but short-lived) paranoia. It is one of the few drugs on my "never again" list.

Salvia is not to be taken lightly.
Yeah, I forgot to mention the way one other friend reacted once. At first it seemed like the salvia hadn't affected him as he was looking normal. Then he said "Do you see it?" and we asked him, see what? And he's like "Do you see it? Do you see it? Get it away from me!" and freaking out about some imaginary thing attacking or haunting him...

Crazy shit.

Salvia is so different from anything else...if I had to classify it by its effects I'd say it's a dissociative deliriant, which would explain why it's not that fun, as deliriants rarely are.

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I wouldnt call it a deliriant, and it has the potential for fun if you show it/yourself the proper respect. Which means more than set/setting, means focus and heart to say the least.(not saying anyone who posted here doesnt have it, just saying trying to "get high" with friends using Salvia is a bad fucking idea) <--Its not meant for that, its more along the lines of a connection/disconnection with your true self that allows for understanding of underlying thoughts that you normally would have too much 'ego' to be able to 'talk to yourself' about.

Yeah, I forgot to mention the way one other friend reacted once. At first it seemed like the salvia hadn't affected him as he was looking normal. Then he said "Do you see it?" and we asked him, see what? And he's like "Do you see it? Do you see it? Get it away from me!" and freaking out about some imaginary thing attacking or haunting him...

10-11 years ago, when i was first being introduced to Salvia, i had an experience where i was lifted off the ground(witnessed by 2 others smoking with me, as well as 1 sober person) by about 6 inches, and then "thrown"(it felt more like being pushed or dragged) across the living room floor. It was carpet, i slid BACKWARDS and pushed the couch about 10 feet till i ran into the wall. Very strange indeed, and all i remember was "seeing" "something" that didnt want me there, and it was making sure i knew its intentions. I have read of similar happenings from very old reports, they say "there is good and bad everywhere...you just ran into "someone" bad".

But again(or for the first time), this is all trippy weird non-sensical stuff that cant be proved. Salvia is frightening but enlightening. A wonderful plant ally that helped me through many hard times, and gets rid of ALL my headaches(that i rarely get).