leo and the computer

[fxcx]

this is probably a stupid question, but im not very hip with the whole computer age thing, ive never owned one of my own. im assuming law enforcement does monitor this site. how easily do they pull up your ip address? does forgetting to log off when your done make this any easier? do law enforcement in small towns (small enough to not be considered a city) likely have there people checking the internet for these kind of sites. say a small town that doesnt have a huge h scene but has two h related deaths in the last year and a half. or do larger angencies check these things and pass information along about people on these type of sites to there local areas?

[Skript]

This place does track IP addresses but only for tracking and prevention of networking attacks. Although im not sure for how long, but they are kept private.
I would imagine a court order would be required to obtain the records..
I wouldnt worry about anything, the big boys are more interested in other larger scale things... Your safe here.

[nick]

I'd like to think the cops have better things to do.


I don't think anything we say here can be used against us-I hope.


For any LEO reading this......haven't you got some REAL crime to deal with..........Oh and why did you become a cop,what's wrong with you?

[Woowoo]

this is probably a stupid question, but im not very hip with the whole computer age thing, ive never owned one of my own. im assuming law enforcement does monitor this site.

Highly possible, but it's not a given. It's a big internet out there.

how easily do they pull up your ip address?

You mean, if you post a message, can they find out your IP address? Not likely, without a subpeona for your ISP. However those subpeonas are easy to deliver and ISP's are so used to processing them that the big ones have employees who do nothing but cater to LEO demands. But I doubt they would do it just for "the hell of it", they would probably have something on you before hand to want to dig that deeply. (In which case they probably know exactly who you are anyhow, and could care less about your IP.)

does forgetting to log off when your done make this any easier?

Doesn't make a damn bit of difference either way.

Well actually that's not 100% true--if they busted you and seized your computer, then you might be glad you logged out of opiophile, otherwise they could pull up the site and read your PM's and all that good stuff, with your own computer. (Bastards) But if you're talking about monitoring you through the internet invisibly, then your cookies mean absolutely nothing to them.

do law enforcement in small towns (small enough to not be considered a city) likely have there people checking the internet for these kind of sites. say a small town that doesnt have a huge h scene but has two h related deaths in the last year and a half. or do larger angencies check these things and pass information along about people on these type of sites to there local areas?

I don't know what you mean "checking the internet for these kinds of sites." Maybe you imagine that everytime you visit this site, suddenly the local police department sees a readout on their computer screen:


LOCAL RESIDENT
John J Unkie, 1318 NE 14th Ave, Podunk KY
just accessed www.opiophile.org
screen name: fxcx
ip 17.82.100.32
online for: 35 minutes
currently: reading post "leo and the computer"

Nah, it doesn't work that way. Only your ISP has this information--LEO don't keep track of who's accessing what web sites while it happens, they only worry about it after the fact, if it helps their investigation somehow.

More likely is the scenario that LEO for a small town notices that their small town is mentioned in a site like this, and then they try to dig and find out who's behind the post in question, and so forth. However it's sort of hard for them to make a big stink about something unless a law has actually been broken.

Suppose one junky from Podunk Kentucky posts "Hey fellow Podunk junkies! The dope 'round here is goooood lately ain't it??" Well, what will they do? He hasn't broken a law, it seems unlikely that this would trigger an investigation.

However, suppose that same guy says (EXAMPLE PURPOSE ONLY) types "Anybody want to score a bunny with me? I fly, you buy, we both get high!!" Now he's actually breaking the law, by soliciting sales of drugs. If the LEO wanted to find out that guy's street address, they could do it, probably just by making a few phone calls to the right people. In the process, the ISP that hosts this site gets subpeonaed by the police, and quite possibly the owners of the site themselves. If that happens too many times they might tell opiophile.com to go find another hosting company.

[fxcx]

thanks guys much appriciated information,piuts my mind at ease, i must have misunderstood it, or else the mechanics at work were altogether different, but i thought i read a thread started by greenfox talking about how some guy from, i believe the name of the site was perverted justice, was able to find out his ip (im not sure if he actually said that) or something along those lines and get his email and find out a bunch of information about him, it just put me to thinking (wondering is a better word) how easy it would be for anyone to find out whatever they wanted about you from something like this, given the right tools. that person (if ive even got that scenario right, im a bit low) must have had access to that sites ip tracking capabilities or something.

[fxcx]

hey woowoo suppose someone says for the sake of this conversation " this one time back in the day i was so high" could leo get their info from the hosting companie directly without anyone hear being the wiser"?, or would it have to be solicitation or something like that

[fxcx]

sorry i couldnt just put this all in one post.....lol, the reason i ask is that swim is associated with a couple of people but has definately not been getting high with or breaking any other laws with (though leo wouldnt know this) that have died (heroin overdose) this last year (over a year, not since jan.),and its in a fairly small town

[freedomclub]

We're def. monitored I saw a bunch of posts on some corrupted justice site where people had copy and pasted several of green fox's post on this site and they were judging and ridiculing him for wanted to get "low".

That Mellisa Zuppardi bitch finally relented to the moderators at Topix and deleted all the posts she had copy and pasted, including mine, from this site on her anti methadone patients rights crusade.

[nick]

anti methadone patients rights.......spot the contradiction folks.

[Woowoo]

hey woowoo suppose someone says for the sake of this conversation " this one time back in the day i was so high" could leo get their info from the hosting companie directly without anyone hear being the wiser"?, or would it have to be solicitation or something like that

Well the FBI / CIA / NSA can investigate anybody they want, anytime, for any reason, without answering to anybody as to why they need the information. But they are not "LEO" at least not in the normal sense of the word.

So I'm not going to tell you "it's impossible" ... if it was a matter of national security I'm sure the Feds would do whatever they need to do. But don't believe they are going to do that just to build a dossier on you specifically. If they happen to run into information about you, it will go into their database, but unless you've been up to some really bad shit I don't think you will warrant a special task-force just to gather information about you specifically. The perform intelligence "sweeps", gathering little facts and dirt on millions of people, and put it all together in one giant mosiac.

An off-topic anecdote ....

When I was busted on trumped-up drug charges (20+ years ago) the pigs sat me down in a room and showed me photographs that were taken by some automatic camera-device in a trailer park that I used to visit. Photos were snapped of cars that drove to see this guy, and also of his front door. They saw my car visit the dope-dealer who lived there, so they knew that I was in good with that guy. They pointed out how on one day I was inside his trailer for over 2 hours. I recognized one of the cars as being my friend's (of course my lips were sealed), and tons of cars I'd never seen. Apparently this guy was into arms-dealing and the GBI (Georgia Bureau of Intelligence) was hot on his trails. They wanted me to set him up: I would buy dope from him and then they'd swoop in on him, and pressure him to reveal his source of arms.

God I hated those GBI fucks. They'd say things like "Once we get that little maggot behind bars all we'll have to day is wave a bag of heroin under his nose and he'll roll over on his own mother!" They loved that word, "maggot" -- everybody is a "maggot" to them.

They told me all this figuring that I would play the peace-loving hippie and figure "Oh gosh I didn't know he dealt in ARMS...that's horrible" and maybe then I would turn on him.

Little did they know I was their worst nightmare: a dead-head junky with an AK47. I own my AK as a symbol of my patriotism--I love this country too much to go unarmed. Somebody has to keep these tyrant fuckheads in check, so I do my part.

Of course I didn't help them, and in the end I got off almost scott-free on my drug charge as their entire case against me fell apart at the seams. I got off with probation, in my opinion it could have even been dismissed, but I wasn't in a position to argue with a probation offer.

Anyhow I suppose the moral of this story is, they were able to punch up my license plate number in their computers and suddenly I was embroiled in somebody else's arms-dealing investigation, and I didn't even know the guy dealt arms. Long before I was busted they had me in their computers as a "heroin user" and knew one of my contacts. Scary shit!!

[alowishus]

Is it just me, or what would you be more worried about - IP addy's, the NSA/CIA tracking everything you do & every where you go on the net (because they already do - thanks to people that voted for Bush) OR hang a pic of yourself on the net when being from a town smaller then a city? ;)

[ProdigalSon]

Ill just tell them I lied it all. And then shut up and git a lawyer if the Cops were gonna bone me on some shit like this. I doubt it would ever come down to that. Unless the sale of drugs and shit started but the mods kick em all to the curb at the 1st hint of copping or selling so fuck it. I dont believe were doing anything wrong. Just expressing freedom of speach

[bronyraur]

The way I see it is that the internet is a VERY public place, and by using it you take risks. The question is how much of a risk are you willing to take?

I personally don't give a damn. While I'm not posting photos of my Rx bottles with my name showing, I will post my picture, albeit w/ my face missing.


I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!