Buprenex

[SuperJunky]

I believe I have identified the tablets I referred to as gummy bears in another thread. The person whom I was getting them from finally got a prescription bottle I could look at. The bottle Identifies them as "Buprenex 8mg." The are small red squares 1.5 cm X 1.2 cm X .5 cm with a small indent line down the center. They have no markings and are the consistency of a gummy bear. I'll post a picture to show you all what they look like as soon as I find a digital camera to use. Has any one else encountered any thing similar to these? I can't find any information about them. :confused- Everything I've read says Buprenex is an injectable product but my friend was told to dissolve them under her tongue. I've taken an entire one (the ones she was given from the doctor were cut in half, she was supposed to take two pieces a day, now she's supposed to take two whole ones) 36 hours after my last dose of heroin, 24 hours after my last dose of tramadol and 16 hours after my last cup of extremely weak poppy tea. I took it first thing in the morning when I woke up sick :sick: at 6:30 AM. I didn't swallow it, I just let it dissolve in my mouth and i spit it out. At 2:30 that after noon I injected 1/2 a normal bundle bag to see what would happen. I felt as much from such a small amount of heroin as usual, if not more. I then injected a 1/2 gram 20 minutes later in 2 shots. No adverse reaction and I seemed to get higher than I normally would from that amount of dope. It didn't seem to block it at all, and it actually seemed to make the dope stronger.
When you take suboxen are you supposed to swallow it after it has dissolved and sat in your mouth for a half hour or so or are you supposed to spit out? What texture dose suboxen and subutex have? Are they also a gummy bear like substance or are they a soft fruit flavored glob? And when you get a Suboxen prescription does it list naltrexone as an active ingredient on the bottle or is it listed as an inactive ingredient?
These things readily dissolve in slightly warm water, I'm curious if they could be injected. I have no intent to abuse them, I really want to detox again and I have never had much difficulty doing so until now. The 8 mgs I took did halt the sickness for the most part, but my stomach still felt like crap, as if I didn't take anything at all. I did the dope for two reasons, one was to see what would happen and the second was to get my stomach back in working order. The only other side affect I noticed was that every time I stood up quickly ( i was on my knees picking tomatoes most the day so this was quite often) I got very dizzy. Does this sound like a side affect of the bupe or the risperdone I took the night before? Basically since I have a very limited supply of these things I was hoping to get the most use of them by injecting them.

Any :zhelp: any of you could give me would be greatly appreciated. I was hoping to get started with these things today but I got high any way so as soon as I have a better idea of what I'm dealing with I'll make the switch and stick with it, at least if it seems as if it's going to work and be worthwhile.

[ontario_opiophile]

Don't inject the buprenex if it has a gummy bear type texture. I wouldnt risk it turning back into gel when you shot it into your blood. It's probably not very good for you. Also I believe the sublingual tablets are meant to dissolve in your mouth and then you swallow all the stuff. You dont spit it out. Also, the Naltrexone is an active ingredient I think. All i know is that when you inject a Subuxone tablet the Naltrexone overrides the buprenorphine and makes you go into withdrawal. It does this because it's very effective when injected. When you take the Suboxone pill by mouth, the buprenorphine is absorbed really well in your mouth and the naltrexone is poorly absorbed so you dont go into withdrawal. Basically when you inject Suboxone you will go into withdrawal. If you take it by mouth, let it dissolve and swallow all the medicine in the pill. Buprenex and Subutex do not have any Naltrexone in them so if you inject these it wont send you into withdrawal. Only the Subuxone brand with Naltrexone in it will make you withdraw.

I believe the dizziness you were experiencing was caused by the Risperdone. I have had dizziness from taking this type of medication and other semi-related medications so i'd assume it was that. Sometime the tiredness doesnt wear off from the night before and you will feel dizzy the next day. If you have to inject the Buprenex be careful. Don't inject Subuxone!!! only Subutex, Temgesic, and Buprenex are "suitable" for injection. I hope everything works out for you :) Take care and be safe.

[lukilu]

I was at another site where a member said she had Gummy Bear Buprenorphine ! She said they were from a compounding pharmacy that her doctor sent her to ! Strange the label would say Buprenex 8 mgs because Buprenex is Liquid ! But maybe they make the Gummy Bears from the Buprenex ! I think they also called them Troche's or some shit like that . I would bet that it does not have Naloxone in it ! I get by daily on less than 1mg ! You can hold it under your tongue till it dissolves and swallow with no problems ! Also , I know from exsperience that dizziness is a side affect of Bup and goes away in 3 days to a week ! Just heard a cool saying !! --- Home is where you hang yourself ---- !! Lukilu

[voodoobudah]

Wow! Gummy Bear pills! Sounds like the old Placidyls we used to cop in the 70s.Buprenex is a liquid that comes in a .03 milligram ampule(little glass thing)made by Reckit Benckiser,the same company that makes suboxen and subutex.The suboxen that I got had the consistancy of a regular pill and dissolved very readily in 3 to 10 minutes under your tongue and I never had one last longer than 10 minutes or so. They worked great for me and sometimes I would cheat and take a whole (I was on 4 mg every other day)one for an extra boost if I had some kind of physical labor to do that day.Better- check yourself before you wreck yourself- on them Gummies ,Around here a dickhead was spray painting advil green and passing them off as oc 80s, till he got clocked by an irate consumer...

[voodoobudah]

Whoa !Hold the presses!Did a search[ Gummy bear buprenex]and guess what came up?? A university somewhere is experimenting on rats (NO SHIT) and has published the recipe on their web site .I think it was UC at Davis ,any way they use fricken Jello and describe the end result as" Gummy bear like pellets" ..Like they say Who you gonna believe me or your lying eyes???

[jacky]

I dont think it is legal to prescribe pure burprenorphine for addiction maintenance. unless you are inpatient. I think the only reason the DEA and FDA approved burprenophine as a maintenance drug is because of the naloxone. naltrexone lasts longer and is stronger as an antagonist I believe than naloxone.
IV'ing pure buprenorphine is ok, but doesnt come in anything stronger than 200 micrograms per ampule. I tried some a few years ago, and definitely like it, but it is ALOT more expensive than suboxone, and generally just prescribed for chronic pain.
be careful IVing any bup product, if there is naloxone in it you are in for a painful ride.

I have not waited long enough between coming off of other opiates and switching to buprenorphine, and was in an incredible amount of pain for 6-9 hours, MUCH worse than just a standard withdrawl, be careful when using this stuff, it has a slim window of abuse potential for a reason.

[Sykotherapudik Lee]

Well so where's the link to this magic recipe, any how?

[voodoobudah]

Google[ Gummy bear buprenex]. It is about the third site down( ehs.ucdavis.edu/animal/anesth/bjello.cfm) There are a few other mentions of the mysterious gummy bear buprenex

[HeidiW]

Gummy bears, I want the Placidyls. I'd give my right leg for some of those!!!!!:sick2:

[lukilu]

Great article on the Yummy Gummy Bears:p except when it says causes Pic:( any body here of that ? Jacky you said they dont give out straight Buprenorphine Did you forget about Subutex:rolleyes: ! Subutex is Bup only except for fillers I guess ! Lukilu:cool:

[jacky]

yeah, this buprenorphine product was made by a pharmacist/apothecary for the individual clinic, other people can do the same if they have a prescription for the drug. compounding medicines to suit the individual is not a common practice, a service most people are unaware of.

lukilu: I didnt really forget about subutex, just forget to mention it, see subutex is a tool for the doctor to use AT THE CLINIC or IN THEIR OFFICE, you can be given subutex initially on intake, but you cannot get a prescription to take home of subutex, they then give you suboxone for this reason. so you are right, a purer form of buprenorphine is available, just NOT FOR MAINTENANCE. this is for the safety of the individual at first I believe, so the doctor can view the patient while on buprenorphine alone during the initial dosing. the DEA is not worried about the doctors abusing the drug, just the patients when they are home alone. subutex would be great to recieve as a maintenance drug, but it aint going to happen, I dont think a doctor can even give you a prescription for it unless it is for pain relief beyond the intitial "intake" dose.

I have tried buprenorphine without the naloxone, in IV ampules. great stuff, but so expensive, I think I paid 100$ for 20 ampules of 200 micrograms a peice, so I paid 100$ for 4 milligrams, or 1/2 of a suboxone pill. the feeling of IVing pure bup while you are going through withdrawl is AMAZING.
taking suboxone while experiencing withdrawl via buccal absorption takes longer to experience relief of course, but the relief comes within the hour.

there are some studies done investigating the possible potentiation effects of combining small amounts of naloxone or naltrexone with opiates. microgram amounts of antagonists mixed with morphine codeine etc seemed to potentiate the analgesic effects of said drugs. a company was pushing these products through human trials around three years ago, I read about this in an issue of the entheogen review. I wonder if microgram amounts of naloxone ingested/absorbed with buprenorphine might cause a potentiation in some users?
I myself made a solution of water and naltrexone trying to get a 50 microgram per millilitre of water ratio to take with morphine and poppy seeds. it seemed to work, but after 4-5 days of taking this naltrexone solution with my opiates I started to get dysphoric effects, like a ringing in the ears, dizziness and nausea, basically I felt like it was too much, and had to quit the experiment. this was three years ago.

I used to take naltrexone in 50 milligram a day doses. I ended up relapsing with the drug in my system, it took me about 4 times the amount of heroin to get high while on naltrexone than usual, as far as a person can judge unstandardized street heroin. anyway I definitely felt effects, and it was pretty good. initially I was alone,but then called some user freinds to hang out with so I wasnt risking overdose as much, I ended up doing dope all day. a few months later a freind who was on naltrexone tried the same deal, he ended up dying in a corner of a room while freinds sat getting high right next to him. obviously these antagonists are not fully understood............

[lukilu]

Buprenex, Jacky , Close but no cigar ! You are right that the induction phase is best starterd with Subutex and then Suboxone is given for the patient to take from then on because of the abuse potential of Subutex ! But this really is not being adhered to ! When I went to Doctor to get on Sub I had read up on it and found most Doctors were giving Suboxone and it sounded like some patients were having headaches from the Naloxone in the Bup . So I told the doctor I did not want Suboxone would you give me Subutex and he complied I get 60 8mg Subutex each month ! Also I have heard of others getting Subutex as take home also ! I have heard of the low dose naloxone theory before , interesting exsp you had ! Lukilu

[jacky]

Ill be damned. that is great.
I know a person that may be very happy to hear your news as they get headaches from suboxone. perhaps doctors are told to try and push the suboxone as much as possible unless someone is sensitive to the naloxone? perhaps. IV buprenorphine is a fine feeling when you are dope sick, not a huge rush, but a very clean feeling swept over me and relief was instantaneous.

I would like to see a protocol sheet for the DR's prescribing this stuff, sounds like there are a few secrets being held back.

I just went back on suboxone and spent the second day couch ridden cause of a horrible headache, I had only taken around 10 milligrams in 24 hours. I really doubt my DR would give me subutex though.....

thanks for the reply and for setting me straight.

[lukilu]

Any Time Jacky ! Just wanted to make sure you understood me ! The Subutex I get is 8mg Sublingual Pill ! Some doctors will- some wont ! My guy apparently did not care ! Lukilu-

[jacky]

I think that gummy bear idea is pretty good. I take suboxone ground up in a solution of spring water 3 parts to vodka 1 part, a drop of solution to every 200 microgram portion of pill powder, then I let that sit in my lip/mouth for up to 5 minutes. part of the reason for this is because the pills are not that easy to chop up evenly for taking smaller amounts, much less to tranpsport those peices around. I think this gummy square may lend to an easier product to work with.

I bet if you put one in the freezer, and then took a razor blade to it you could easily produce 8 cuts that would leave you with 16 similiar sized peices, this medium might allow for a better controlled contact and absorption of the drug?

The water/vodka solution works well when I take the little dropper bottle out of the house, I imagine it is fairly accurate for dosing considering the solution is stirred and mixed up before each use. The gummy square would allow for even easier transport than the solution or pill in the sense that the gummy square might be easiest to handle and divide with only a surface and razor blade involved.

If the gummy square in question is a product which the drug content is not divulged as one person stated, then I would rather have the pill so I at least know the approximate of what each division should contain. I suppose a person could easily make there own gummy squares even if they had only the pills to use.

good idea as a carrier, bad idea to not divulge the dose of drug to the patient in my opinion.