Just Doo Ittt.

[XxArsenxX]

Oh, not drugs. I just mean If you can't find an answer for a question, DO IT.
(Let's not kid ourselves, we're abusing some of the deadliest street drugs. Are you really worried about the contents of a pharmacutical? Juan Valdez could've pissed on every balloon of tar and stamp of powder, and you know it.)

So, after reading every post and hearing everyone guess about the result of the narcan in a prepared suboxone injection, I just did it. Fuck it. Was 4 days on bupe after a trip off the wagon climaxing at 2 buns a day of good east NY stamps, not really withdrawing, suBstaining as such :)

I read recently of a controlled experiment using recently detoxified opiate addicts being administed either a cash reward or an injection : 4mg hydromorphone(Dilaudid) OR Buprenorphine 2mg or 8mg (Subutex) OR Buprenorphine:nalaxone 4:1 in 2mg or 4mg(suboxone). This was based on responding to computer stimuli and choosing how many credits went to money or drug IV. The results led to an interesting conclusion:

Detox'd junkies liked suboxone injections. Not as much, but they'd literally pay for it.

I know it sounds crazy. But let's examine this anti-abuse for all it's uselessness.
Naloxone (Narcan) removes full agonist opiates from receptors and inhibits them from uptake. Buprenorphine is a semi-agonist/antagonist, and isn't affected by Narcan. So, you may precipitate withdrawls they say.
Well, if your DOC is a short half life opiate, like most IV'd, you most likely began withdrawing before you took the sub. Now how can you precipitate withdrawls if your already naturally there? There's no opiate in your system to remove from receptors, mU, kappa or otherwise.

So, If your slamming 5 bag shots every few hours and you trade your next shot for suboxone, your in a shithole of uncomfort. No doubt. So it does prevent abuse.

But, If you've days or weeks off a short half life opiate, you've got a needle fixation, and even your suboxone sounds better then falling into uncontrolled abyss AGAIN, well, Don't believe the hype!

Anyway, kinda warm, kinda fuzzy, kinda DOC like, Kinda unexpectedly fucked me up. Ever dose way too much methadone as a naive young opiotot with a normal amount of endorphine receptors? Familiar with that forehead smacked with a hammer, wheredafukdiddatcomefrom kinda feeling? that was it. Didn't have that "make-me-function-happy-world" feeling of when I have orange ether breath, But did have a much needed "wow-i'm staaayyinn-onn-thee-ccooouuuuucccchh" type feeling. Yup, i've done it since.

Finally, an experience based answer to an often asked but often guessed about question:
Can you inject suboxone?

Your welcome.:cool:

[tptptp]

Finally, an experience based answer to an often asked but often guessed about question:
Can you inject suboxone?

Your welcome.:cool:

Thanks, its only been covered a few times here in this very area, probably on this same page.

Anyhow, dope is one of the most dangerous street drugs because of the unknown factor(s) no doubt. Not everyone using bupe necessarily uses it though. I certainly dont believe in the fuck it lets find out method. I believe in harm reduction. But whatever floats your boat. I'm not an IV'r but if I were I certainly would want to waste my veins on bupe. I guess if I was fiending and there was nothing lse around that may be another story, but again not being an IV'r I wouldn't know.

Some people here have already shot it. One crazy junky here claims he can take subs whenever he wants along with his heroin use and not have it precipate his WD even if he still high from the H....

Ever meet a long time junky with a fuck all attitude? Be careful man we aren't invincible.

Does in jecting sub really feel good, like what does it compare with bangin? My assumption would be banging subs would just be lame.....

kinda confused about your statement about the detox'd junkys willing to pay for sub injections, if i was detoxed id pay for even an oral sub. i dont thnik im alone when i say most here would agree sobriety sucks. subs are good for alot of junkys depression/anxiety even when its not doing much in the high department.

But glad they're working for you. Curious as ri whether or not the shooting high will get boring after a while like the oral high does. keep us posted.

[soulman]

I'm one of those lucky few who can go back and forth from dope to subutex with no forced w/d.
If I run out of dope/money I can take a sub as soon as I start jonesin and be fine/well.
Also if I take a subutex because I'm not planning on using dope that day and then a friend calls, I can use, I just have to use more to get high.

[tptptp]

I'm one of those lucky few who can go back and forth from dope to subutex with no forced w/d.
If I run out of dope/money I can take a sub as soon as I start jonesin and be fine/well.
Also if I take a subutex because I'm not planning on using dope that day and then a friend calls, I can use, I just have to use more to get high.

The two times ive started bupe I wasnt that sick either. Actually i think i may be quite lucky in how soon I can take it coimnpared to others, but who knows. It sure as hell fewlt better for a longer period(days) the time i was sicker though.

[XxArsenxX]

I smell smoke tp. Maybe not a flame, but smoke. Yes, I read pretty much every post available on the board before I became a member, and yes, plenty of GUESSING was done on the topic. Be glad I'm not another jerk-off spitting made up bullshit like it's stone cold fact.:D Put my health on the line, and I get the kid with a gas can sparking a lighter, gee, thanks. (Not really mad, btw.:) )
If you do dope, if you have thrown off the word of society telling you "This is a documented man killer, an addiction with withdrawl beyond compare, That will feel blissful til the moment your foaming, eyed rolled ass gets pushed out of this life by the cosmic sphinter that be" then your already living life with a "fuck it let's find out" ideaology, ain't ya? 'cause DARE and the rest of the 4th reich drug warriors painted a picture of heroin, and you said "well, fuck it, let's find out." Don't kid yourself. You'll slip off your pedestal nodding the first time the needle slips in. And it will. You'll always think your special. We all did.

I've got a friend:) Who brings large amounts of cash to Brooklyn to do a shady deal in a stairwell, literally hearing shots 2 blocks away at 2pm, a blue eyed white boy speaking spanish to the guy at the diner/bodega (i'm a regular:) ) and sits on the (OMIT) train till he hits Jamaica station and does his first shot under the nose of MTA, NYPD, and TnT so he's not sick on the LIRR trip home. Then it's bags by the butt-n-nutz for an hour till i'm uh HE is safe in suburbia and the locals don't know what a glassine is.
Too many horror stories to tell. Know How I know you wouldn't undestand? You have access to a computer. Nobody lettin no junkie by no computer unsupervised, I fell for that last time! Thats the only people hittin up my spot, the truly fucked and the fuck its.
Every part of doing dope says " Fuck it, let's find out."
And as an East new yorker with a habit, I don't need to be told, i've seen it all. Come make the mistake of hanging out at the rec room in the Jamiaca needle exchange cause your friend who you thought wasn't much worse than you says he goes there to hang out all the time. I can tell you all about what injecting every different drug feels like. And Then we'll grab you some clean works, and you can mutter under your breath...

"Fuck it, let's find out."


(and btw, it sounds stupid, but yeah, you get real nervous at the exchange the first time. I had this hilarious but anxious paranoia that there were uncapped needles everywhere, under couch cushions, tables, on your chair, etc. waiting to jump out and bite me like they're alive. Funny, sad, and true.:D )

[XxArsenxX]

OOOhhh yeah . The detox'd. they were six months clean, volunteered under strict criteria, and were allowed after the study started to piss dirty for opiates. which means they were asked... "Complete these tasks. good. Now you want cash (which can get you your DOC) , The shot we give you, or a percentage of each.

The point being, not one suboxone patient said "DEAR GOD NEVER AGAIN, THAT SHOT MADE ME MORE DOPE SICK THAN I'VE EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, I'LL TAKE THE CASH!"
Like the pamphlet that came with your script would have you believe.

I'll try and find the paper, but it's boring, written in a writing style most would rather not bother deciphering, and it's obscurely archived on some university database. but if you have the patience to read it, I'll find it.

[tptptp]

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=6376&highlight=inject

There's mroe than one person on the thread who claims to have shot it, and says that the high did seem to decline from shooting.

Thats just one but I've read more, and this forums not really that old, well the bupe side anyways.

Yeah the literature with bupe and all the doc's prescribing it dont know a fucking thing. Afterall thats why im getting scribed 32mg/day and only use about 4. Ignorance always has and wqill continue to be bliss for the money grubbing doctors. The funny thing about addiction docs is that they think that they relly know the drugs better than the junkys. Maybe the chemical structure, thats about it.

As far as the fuck it lets find out shpeel, whatever floats your boat. I dont really consider what "society" says about anything I have to do, so I wont base my health decisions on it. Eventually it'll catch up to anyone thats all i'm sayin. a careless junky is a dead junky

[XxArsenxX]

Now you have hit the nail on the head, my new friend. Careless and psuedo-invincible are seperate liabilities. I'm niether. I did the research, assesed and weighed the risks, then dived in. I did read that thread, and many others as well. I hoped my original post more thoroughly elaborated on answers known, guessed, and still up in the air waiting for a solid backing of facts presented in those threads.
Funny about your script compared to actual dose: I get all my sub from a generous old time friend who is scripted 32, takes 8mg. You prescribed seroquel as well?
Unfortunately, we as buprenorphine users are all pet projects of a pharmacutical industry that decided "fuck it, let's see" when they approved this, and many other drugs. as part of an often disdained and overlooked part of the populace, I really hope for the best with this. A generation of methadone addicts weren't as lucky.

[0,45mm as in 9mm]

most of Finlands opiate users do only subutex because theres nothing else around. and they do inject it.