Injecting sub?

[kazman32]

Hello, Iv'e been on sub for a couple months now...sometimes I still miss the "high" I got on oxy's, percs's demerol etc...anyway I have injected demerol IM, and Nubain IV and IM...I'm no stranger to injections (former nat'l lvl bodybuilder, so yah I juiced) I have read of people here that injected their sub, wasn't planning on going the IV route just IM, I know you get more of a 'kick' that way..so how does one go about prepping a sub pill for injection purposes?

[bronyraur]

you really don't wanna do pills IM.

just asking for an abcess.

[kazman32]

Thanks for the response, Iv;e had abcess before and the were no fun, anyway, then how do people do them IV?

[Diacetyl]

You can get vials of buperenorphine injectable on a few OP's

SWIM used to fuck with bupe alot recreationally when he was first getting into opiates.

[tptptp]

I'm not an IV'r but if I were and I wanted to get high I definitely wouldnt waste my veins on bupe, thats really stupid IMO, just get some goodys to shoot, then go back to bupe you'll probably feel a little high normally from bupe just by switching back too.

[Opiyum]

In the last couple weeks I tried started fooling around with shooting suboxone and, as expected, it wasn't anything special. A few times, if I waited over 24 hours between seb doses I would catch a slitch buzz but still it was not worthwhile at all.
One thing I can say is that sometimes I have a hard time falling asleep on my normal under the tongue dose of one milligram so I would fire up an 8 and that would help me pass out.

Im posting this because i wanted to share what happened the other night. A mistake I'll make sure never to make again.
Ive been using suboxone off and on for 3 years now and have a lot of expierence with it and in this time have never experienced precipatated wd's from it.
I thought I was immune.
I was very wrong.
I had just finished a little binge of running oxy's and H for a week and that night when I ran out I took 2 mgs subligualy as normal. A few hours later I couldn't sleep and decided to fire up an 8.
This was a big mistake.
Apparently there was still some dope in my system and ten seconds after I fired that 8 milligrams up I knew somethings was very very wrong.
It was a terrifying experience going from a relatively normal state to deathly sick in 20 or so seconds.
In hind sight its actaully hard to belive but that is exactly how it goes.
I immediately broke out in sweats. Every object in the room suddenly took on a menacing vibration.
Dysphoria.
My forehead was soaked in sweat and I was forced to quickly make my way to the bathroom for a terrible round of the number 2's.

I remember looking at the clock thiniking "oh god!" Ill be ub till 10am feeling this way until the bupe kicks in and got very scared.
Fortunately it only lasted about ten minutes which isnt bad at all. Ive heard many people had to deal with this for much longer than this and im just glad i didnt.

I will never fire up any amount of sub within a 48 hour period of using anything again thats for sure.

[dizzle]

Dude, I WOULD NOT inject sub's IM. I had an abcess before to from IMing OC's (what a waste, I was young). As far as you're wanting to feel that buzz again. I'm right there with you, I've been on sub's for nearly 2 years now and seriously miss getting high. Here's what I tried, I lowered my dosage down to like 2 mg of suboxone a day, over the period of two weeks (i was on 16mg/day). Those damn maitenence doctors will tell you to take 32mg/day if you'll let 'em. Anyways, after that I crushed up about 4mg and IV'ed it. Got pretty high but nothing like H or anything. I'm going to try to wean myself off completly this time and give it two weeks. Then I'm gonna slam 4mgs again, I'll let you know the effects. Everybody says you can get really high on bupe but I beg to differ, I gave my girlfriend like 2mgs of suboxone (she's not a doper, never tried any opiates) and she was high for like 2 days, due to the extremely long half life I can only assume. After I saw that, I thought to myself, I'm going to figure out how to get like that. If anyone else can give me advice I'd love to hear it. BTW- I read the ultimate guide to subs and damn you guys are good. VERY impressive.

[donethat]

i actually have injected them, i put an 8 in a little thing of water and microwave it untill its all gooey and suck up a little at a time to shoot...doesnt hurt or anything...not sure if its healthy or not because of the orange flavor but at the time i didnt really care...i ended up bootin a lot of them after a couple weeks...but then one day i didnt cook it and did a filter throug ha cottonball and my hands and shit all started shaking and i thought i was gonna die i couldnt even type on the comp so i went and tried sleepin and i passed out woke up still a little sick and then fell asleep and woke up and havent done it since so...give it a try if you have nothing else in your system at a very low dose. ive been trying to find a better way to prepare it but i havent yet...just cook in a glass cup and suck and go....message me if you try it and tell me what you think...pleas be safe

[Raine]

I thought the naltrexone in suboxone prevented a high if you shoot suboxone? That's what my Dr. told me anyway, now i'm wondering if the truth was stretched just so I wouldn't try it. I'm looking it up on google now and I found this on some drug information/prevention site...

"Suboxone® contains naloxone in addition to the buprenorphine. Naloxone is added to Suboxone® to stop people from injecting ("shooting-up") Suboxone® tablets. If Suboxone® is injected, the naloxone can give patients bad withdrawal symptoms."

Is this something everyone already knows but are shooting up subs anyway? If so, you are far more daring than I.

[simfromstoke]

ive injected subutex hundreds of times(NOT suboxone though) and really enjoy the little buzz i get off it. it makes my mouth/jaw go numb, kinda like when ive had coke and it perks me up no-end.
ive been injecting subbies for 3-4 yrs now and id say im pretty knowledgable.the secret to cooking em up is DONT heat em up very much or the whole solution turns to a jelly like lump that wont even draw up the pin.and always use a low dose(2-4mg). putting too much in just makes you feel weired and gives you a headache.
so how to prep- (its best to use an 8mg cuz they crush easier) get a clean piece of paper and break off 2 - 4mg of sub and place it on the paper.fold the paper over and use a deodorant can or sumink and roll it over the paper- crushing the tablet.
pour the dust onto a spoon and add 60-70 units of water.warm the solution v.slightly(just a few quick licks with the lighter will do) then using the orange cap off your pin stir up the solution, crushing any little bits of powder on the bottom. then take a cigarette filter and drop it on the spoon. draw the solution up through the filter. dont worry about any powder left on the spoon, you can always use it again on a rainly day. find a good vein and enjoy. (just push it in slowly. it doesnt hurt) and even when ive missed a tiny bit ive never had any lumps/abcesses etc come up

[chopstix]

Disclaimer - don't shoot subs, it's really a waste of veins. But if you must, I can pass on some experience.

I used to inject them a lot (I don't anymore, it's a waste of veins), there's some articles floating around about people losing limbs and shit (it's propoganda and very rare, but..) I can tell you what that is - it's people heating them up, don't cook them, you dont even want WARM water, you want it to be COLD. The reason why is the filler is cornstarch and any cornstarch you manage to get into solution will just cause problems, buprenorphine is plenty soluble, it doesn't need any heat. Cornstarch is highly insoluble in cold water but it will start to dissolve in warm water, you don't want that shit in your shot. If the solution is cloudy - RE-FILTER IT.

DO NOT COOK SUBS, not even warm water - USE COLD WATER.

Yes, in spite of the naloxone, you can shoot suboxone, that doesn't mean you should, but it has NO bearing on the bup. Bup hits the receptors, gets all nice and cozy, the naloxone comes along and says GTFO biyatch and the bup jumps up, pulls a full on roundhouse and kicks the naloxone in the eye and then the naloxone goes home crying to mom. The binding affinity and half-life of Naloxone is a joke compared to bup, the ONLY time you'll have issue is if you have a weaker binding opiate in your system, the kind of stuff Naloxone (Narcan) was designed for - Heroin, Oxy, Fent, methadone, etc.. As long as you're clean, it doesn't matter if it's subutex or suboxone in the rig. All it is was a failed scare tactic by RB - I WILL say that if you have dope in your system and you shoot suboxone, you'll learn what severe dysphoria is, it's like shooting FEAR and NOT fun but Bup will do that too (kick heroin's ass) so it's really a moot point..

The only way it was ever effective for me was in the 1-2mg range, never more; here's how I prepped (after a couple abscesses and a bit of thought):

Put a chip in the cooker, draw off like 80 units of COLD water, you want it this dilute because the binders aren't something you want in your system, blood or tissue. Use the butt end of the rig and smash it up, mix it around a bit and then let the binder settle, this is actually a good tech for any pill with binders. I like the bottlecap like cookers because they leave a nice well for shit to fall to the bottom.

For filtering, I use both ends of a q-tip or equivalent size cotton, seriously big, like a pea - you're not gonna lose anything but you will get filtration at or close to the micron level which is what you want. Roll the cotton up and I get it slightly damp, roll it up tighter (I squeeze the water off) and drop ON THE SIDE of the solution, away from the sediment, roll the cooker or spoon to move the liquid away from the sediment if that helps. The top of the cotton should be above the solution. Draw it off slow and careful, the bevel should be tight and flush with the cotton, as in ALL fluid is filtered as best as it can. If it's cloudy, then get all the liquid, rinse the cooker and filter it again. It should be *crystal* clear.

You don't want to shoot corstarch, I shot tar dope for over 15 years on the west coast without ever getting an abscess and I got two in two weeks from subutex, once I figured out how to prep, that stopped happening - it's the cornstarch that causes problems..

This really is barely worth it. Your intake has to be low (<8mg/day) and benzos and booze help, but I really don't advise it. I have nodded with benzos and you can get a little glow but it's really not a big deal. There's better drugs if you're trying to get off. If you are doing it though make sure to fucking filter it proper..

[jonny-5]

i will never inject subs again. its so not worth it. i got this vein infection and it spread, and it sucked. well it wasnt that bad, but it was scary. plus the high from snorting it is way better in my opinion. most people ive talked to who have IVd it say that they arent gonna try it again.

i said i wasnt gonna inject any pills again after that, but those dillies are just too damn tempting.

[roxi*stardust]

No amount of Bupe no matter the ROA will get you high. It is a partial agonist/antagonist; meaning it only partially activates those lovely mu receptors so you will never get a high similar or close to the high of a full agonist like Oxycodone, MSO4, Fent, etc. BTW injecting any pill is not advisable because of binders but especailly not Suboxone; not only because of the binders but the Nalaxone in it.

[edhorfin]

Chopstix knows what he's talking about. I read a study last night (can post link if needed) where junkies were in a controlled environment and given IV subutex, suboxone, and a placebo. Both objective and subjective effects were measured. The suboxone definitely worked, the naloxone in it did not cause any side effects and it was concluded that suboxone does have potential for abuse. Low potential, but its there nonetheless. If I recall, 8mg doses seemed to give the best effect. There was no rush, of course, and all of these injections were given using a catheter with hep lock.

The filtering wasn't an issue of course, because the study wasn't using pills, they used liquid injectable bupe and naloxone.

Ed

[chopstix]

No amount of Bupe no matter the ROA will get you high.

The effect I get is quite marked, it's not a rush but I do feel it within 10-15 seconds and I know for fact it's not a placebo effect - and this is regardless of whether it's tex or 'xone. But I agree with Jonny in that you can get basically the same effect with a bit more onset by sniffing it..

[jonny-5]

The effect I get is quite marked, it's not a rush but I do feel it within 10-15 seconds and I know for fact it's not a placebo effect - and this is regardless of whether it's tex or 'xone. But I agree with Jonny in that you can get basically the same effect with a bit more onset by sniffing it..


yea, it definately does work IV, but not in a way that would make it a better ROA, and considering the risks of IVing pills, i just choose not to and suggest against it. but to each his/her own.

[paroxetina]

I don't get it, how are you guys getting high from injecting it since it contains naltrexone?

[Thanat0s]

I don't get it, how are you guys getting high from injecting it since it contains naltrexone?

its binding affinity, bupe has higher affinity for the mu receptor than naloxone does, therefore, the bupe binds and the naloxone cannot. it is effectively inert when coadministered with bupe.

any)well, almost any) other opiate WOULD be displaced by naloxone though.

[matt7682]

I figured id throw in my $.02. I currently have a subutex script, and have never administered a dose in any way other than IV. Never taken suboxone in any way other than the way it was intended. With the subutex, there is no rush after a shot, but within a minute or two I definately have a noticable opiate buzz thats fairly enjoyable and enough so that I continue to dose via IV. This usually lasts about an hour or so, then i'm left with the normal bupe feeling, no high or anything, I just feel normal. The same principle applies when dosing via IV, as does with dosing sublingually....and that is, less is more!!! I find anything over 4mg in a shot of 'tex actually takes away from the "high". I'm by no means opiate-naive either. This is all after recently coming off of an IV heroin habit that included up to a few grams a day. So anyways, IVing subutex is possible, dont think it is with suboxone though, and can produce a recreational "high".

[More Feen]

Clinically,

Buprenex is given IM or IV in dosage increments of 0.3 mg, or 300 micrograms.

The estimate is that 0.3mg of buprenex given IM is roughly equal to 10mg of morphine IM. Or, buprenex is 30 times as efficacious (sp?) (potent) ( 30 X 0.3 = 10 ).

The sublingual formulation of 12, or 24 mg is due to the crappy absorbance across the mucosal layers of the mouth. You need that much more concentration of bupe to get a decent effect.

You would really want to decrease the dosage, dilute the hell out of your subligual dose if you were going to shoot this medicine.

I don't know if your particular formulation has narcan/nalloxone in it, but that'll add even more confusion to the mix.

IF you had access to ampules of injectable bupe, than I would start out at 1-3 amps ( 0.3mg -- 0.9mg) which is equal to < 1/24th of your subligual dose.

In other words, be careful when changing your ROA, some meds really get jacked up in potency if you administer it in a different way--especially if it was not designed to be taken that way.
MF

[BigLou]

hey matt, i must agree with u, no initial buzz after the shot but you definately feel alot better it just kicks your bupe in faster, but i must warn you, u say u get a buzz now? pretty soon you will be doing it so u dont get sick and thats what sucks thats where i am at, i dont get shit from bupe exept the first shot in the morning makes me feel not sick. and if i dont do any i am gonna be sick. also iving suboxone is possible in the same way with tex, i just dont advise shooting that orange liquid into your arm lol

[chopstix]

hey matt, i must agree with u, no initial buzz after the shot but you definately feel alot better it just kicks your bupe in faster, but i must warn you, u say u get a buzz now? pretty soon you will be doing it so u dont get sick and thats what sucks thats where i am at, i dont get shit from bupe exept the first shot in the morning makes me feel not sick. and if i dont do any i am gonna be sick. also iving suboxone is possible in the same way with tex, i just dont advise shooting that orange liquid into your arm lol

SUBOXONE:
Active Ingredients: buprenorphine hydrochloride and naloxone hydrochloride dihydrate
Inactive Ingredients : lactose, mannitol, cornstarch, povidone K30, citric acid, sodium citrate, FD&C Yellow No. 6 color, magnesium stearate, and for flavoring, Acesulfame K sweetener and a lemon-lime flavor.
SUBUTEX:
Active Ingredients : buprenorphine hydrochloride
Inactive Ingredients : lactose, mannitol, cornstarch, povidone K30, citric acid, sodium citrate and magnesium stearate.


This post wasn't made to pressure people into shooting their subs, again, it's barely worth it and very dangerous if not done properly. It is a very common misconception that shooting Naloxone will ruin your day though but it's completely benign unless you have any of the lesser binding opiates in your system that you're Dependant on - ie, shooting while on dope will ruin your day, but that goes for both subutex and suboxone - the Narcan is a failed scare tactic. It truly doesn't do shit aside from the former situation, in which case shootinh EITHER 'tex or 'xone will throw you into wd, Narcan or not.. Suboxone is kinda like mixing in a little bit bir of asorin

I'm starting to feel like a parrot. Maybe we can sticky this info? It comes up a lot and there are a ton of people who don't understand the underlying issue with 'xomg. lame differencebut moot differences between the two..

No big deal really, maybe Ill just make a cut and paste post on why you shouldn't cook them and what a joke suboxone is.. Ya think RB underestnates j

[BigLou]

i bet shooting 1/4th of a subutex pill is better for you than shooting heroin or an oxy pill. just from my experiences. antime i ever shot heroin or oxys i got nasty bumbs and i dunno tex is alot smoother but still dont recomend it dont do it