Very kind new stimulant??

[TappyTibbons]

I have just been offered a chance to purchase a substance called Desoxypipradol. Now I am not the biggest fan of stim. but this stuff sounds absolutely amazing. I haven't been able to find a whole lot of info on it. I can tell you its legal... from certain sources its relatively inexpensive (500mg $100 1g 180$ with 99.9% purity). This link from blue light is about the only experience documentation I can find.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=291179&page=2

Someone in that thread mentioned this might be a really good starting point, to look for a "methadone" type substance for people "addicted" to cocaine and possibly different forms of amphetamines. That is an incredible idea IMO, addicts suffering from stimulant addictions have been left out in the cold for far to long.

[Hammilton]

100 bucks is a ripoff for a half-gram, but it'll get you high 50 times, no problem.

i really want to get 3 5mg tablets of the stuff. PM me

[chinaski]

Damn, why can't we find some new experimental LEGAL opiates?

Have fun dude.

[TappyTibbons]

well it comes as a powder... a raw chem. no filler... just 500mg (in actual weight). 50 16-24 doses for 100 sounds like a hell of a deal to me. and chinaski.... i've been asking myself the same question for years.... all these chemists hearts are in the wrong place haha

[Sitar]

Research chems are fascinating things.

I would imagine its a really damn good thing there AREN'T any synthetic opiate research chems out there. Can you imagine how many ODs would occur regularly if that kind of stuff was available? And then they'd be illegal so fast, you'd be right back where you started.

Plus you have to understand that the reason that there are hallucinogen research chems on the grey market is that there's no medical value for them. Opiates have a lot of medical value, so there's no reason to limit them to a RC grey market.

There will never be opioids on the RC market. Ever. I'd be willing to bet on that.

[drugsaregood]

Very interesting! I'll have to look it up. I'm wondering about the affects, LD50, potential side effects though. This is an RC, right?

Aren't taking RC's usually more risky compared to other chemicals prescribed and the like? Say you OD, your chances for help are probably alot worse, no?

[jacky]

we have only to look to peptide suppliers for some incredibly potent research chemicals, most known as peptides. there is a whole section of opioid/opiate/agonist/antagonist type peptides to choose from.
a few opiophiles have experimented with opiate peptides, but in my opinion enzyme catalolism/metabolism limits the activity of most of them to a short period.
if you do your homework you will find that a few have been made that defy enzymatic destruction for quite some time.
many of these compounds are highly potent, and active in the submilligram range.

ordering these compounds and acting like an idiot will most likely worry all of the companys that sell such items. and even someone who knows that they are doing might kill themselves with the highly potent compounds. and then there is the ??? of how these compouns might effect your health in general.

some companies that sold research chems awhile back sold some mild schedule 4 opioids....

this is why I look to organic sources of opioid agonists. so far a few interesting ones,....but nothing really exciting.....yet.
the odds of decent opioid agonist compounds occuring in nature is good I think, but the novel compound search is rather slow.
depends alot on your ability to communicate and network if you are going to try and stimulate research into novel species.
there are a good amount of honest people looking into plant based research.
find something interesting and you will have a definite window of opportunity for further research.

I think the general subculture associated with research chems is far enough advanced that even street sourced materials will continue to evolve/push the envelope.

there are bound to be a few monsters created though...and some more people could get life in prison.

I caught a window of opportunity with research chems, and consider myself lucky that I experienced what I did,..... I think I would rather stick with organic research in general.

there are some piperazine related compounds avialable in new zealand that can ship to the states, like flipiperazine and two others, I was somewhat interested in the quasi psychedelic/sedative flipiperazine compound, but dont really feel the need to experiment with the legality of doing such anymore, the company will ship, but the pill formula might not get past customs , I think a pure powder sample would be better than pills with party advertisement on them.

most of the purported opioid active compounds that are abialable from chinese medicinal companies are questionably active opioid agonists in my experience,...the compounds are avialable for cheap, but unless you can arrange for a sample amount, you have to buy minimum 100 grams at least.

[Diacetyl]

I've only tried one RC stimulant, I believe it was called MET, I smoked, snorted and ate the stuff. It wasn't that great, I prefer cocaine or meth to it anyday.

[Hammilton]

i'm pretty sure there'll be some R/C narcotics. they're already in the works.

hell, i'd be willing to bet this MDAN-21 is available before you know it

[Sitar]

Now that I think of it, Tramadol was available as a RC for a while. But I still doubt anyone would put anything new on the RC market in that regard.

[Hammilton]

considering the easy of PEA synths, and our current knowledge of some fairly potent mu-agonist pea's- why wouldn't there be?

[Sitar]

There's medical value to opioids, so anybody who would come up with a new opioid is going to want to sell it to the pharm industry, not let it go for dirt cheap on the RC market. That's the main reason I think that there won't be any opioid RCs.

The reason that Tramadol slipped through on the RC market briefly is because it wasn't and still isn't scheduled.

As much as people think it would be cool to get cheap, pure opioids in the RC market, it would be a horrible idea, I believe. People would OD left and right if something like that were available. Some opioid that people know very little about available in a highly potent form couldn't possibly be any good for most people.

It would be just like the hallucinogens RCs but worse; you'd get dumbass kids using mom and dad's credit card to buy the opioid RCs, getting sick, addicted, and/or dying, and then that'd be it.

Then you'd also have the problem of people selling these RCs as Heroin. It's just a bad idea all around.