Is 50mg of Codeine a lot?

[the morphine the better]

How does that compare to 5mg vic? Is it any good?

[insaneike]

Try more like 350mg of codeine and thats still not a lot... if you have any toler well, lets just not even go there lol.

If you have never used any opis before and do not have any natural tolerance whatsoever you might be able to feel something from 150-200mg... depends on person to person..

and it'd take aorund 90
0mg codeine to be equiv to a lortab i'd say... i dunno about the lortab 10s tho, but i'd say about 120mg codeine is equiv to a lortab 10, maybe a bit better but around there...

now theres a few folks out there who are VERY sensitive to opiates and opioids. Like i've heard of people getting some sort of effect from a single lortab 10 before! and some say they can feel something from tramadol and codeine mixed... so i guess it wont hurt to try and see! chances are you're not gonna get shit from the codeine though. I'd try and sell them vof 50cent to a buck to some HS kiddies if i was u and get something worthwhile, even some alcy lol

[doctor diesel]

If you're completely opi naive then 60mg is kind of dreamy enjoyable, while 90mg is a delight.
Any sort of tolerance though, and you're looking at 150mg to feel anything.
I'm a codeine expert, me.

Doc

[Diacetyl]

Out of all the friends I've ever seen do codeine; none of them could feel a "buzz" under 200 mg.


Protip: the best way to feel the codeine buzz is too lie down and listen to tunes.

[nick]

codeine sucks,but it's a lot better than nothing.

[Diacetyl]

codeine sucks,but it's a lot better than nothing.

Hell, when you're sick and theres nothing else around, codeine rules!. I'm glad codeine is OTC here, saves me alot of fucking hardship.

[Skript]

codeine sucks,but it's a lot better than nothing.

Yea if i wanted to itch my ass off, id save my money and eat some niacin.. no euphoria..

[Inspektahdek]

If you're completely opi naive then 60mg is kind of dreamy enjoyable, while 90mg is a delight.
Any sort of tolerance though, and you're looking at 150mg to feel anything.
I'm a codeine expert, me.

Doc


Wow that would have to be someone COMPLETELY opiateh the naive like never taken them before or something of that nature.


Ceiling dose is 400mg, meaning u won't be able to feel anything higher than this as far as your buzz efficiency is concerned and also anything in that area or near that will cause intense itching because of histamine release and the reason that the ceiling dose is at that mg %age, is because codeine is a weaker analogue kinda derived from morphine in which your metabolism at the CPY4d6 enzyme breaks codeine downt to morphine but only by %10 and this is the max your body can handle being metabolized at one time. 450 or 500mg might add just a very little more than the 400mg. and since 400mg is pretty much the max CEILING all you will receive from this is a subtle, tad boost and a massive increase in antihistamine release meaning itching til your skin is rubbed off!

It's not very pleasant and recall eating 500mg during a withdrawal from a much stronger pharm addiction.

However the dose, it u exceed 250/300mg, make sure you have hydrocortisone cream and/or bendryl to counteract that histamine release causing mad itching. Glad to help bro

peace

[Inspektahdek]

man I wish I could still feel something off of codeine, man those were the days, damn tolerance!

[jonny-5]

ive found that eating about 200 mg after drinking some poppy seed tea is VERY enjoyable. actually, it knocks me on my ass. but then again my tolerance is MUCH lower than it used to be.

[bronyraur]

How does that compare to 5mg vic? Is it any good?

First off, 50mg of codeine can be a lot for someone with NO tolerance who's never taken an opiate before.


Compared to a 5mg Vicodin, that 50mg of codeine isn't worth crap.

[Inspektahdek]

ive found that eating about 200 mg after drinking some poppy seed tea is VERY enjoyable. actually, it knocks me on my ass. but then again my tolerance is MUCH lower than it used to be.

poppy seed tea contains many opiate analogues which is great because it's like a blissful opiate cocktail; morphine is one of these anlogues, hence a booster or sorts ;)

[jonny-5]

poppy seed tea contains many opiate analogues which is great because it's like a blissful opiate cocktail; morphine is one of these anlogues, hence a booster or sorts ;)

i know, and you can imagine how happy i was to find that out after i had quit heroin for 5 months and was going crazy for ANYTHING.


btw: nice to see a fellow junglist on here :D

[tptptp]

First off, 50mg of codeine can be a lot for someone with NO tolerance who's never taken an opiate before.


Compared to a 5mg Vicodin, that 50mg of codeine isn't worth crap.

Exactly,,,, well sorta, just because most of you have tolerances doesn't mean you shgould be rec'ng 200 + mg. 60mg will get an opiate virgin a nice buzz. Technically the 50mg codeine would be equivalent to 5mg morphine which WOULD technically be stronger than the 5mg vic, but euphoria-wise the vike is much better.

[jonny-5]

oh i didnt mean to give the impression that i was recommending that dose to anyone, i was just giving personal experience. now that i reread it tho i can see i should have phrased it differently.

[bronyraur]

Exactly,,,, well sorta, just because most of you have tolerances doesn't mean you shgould be rec'ng 200 + mg. 60mg will get an opiate virgin a nice buzz. Technically the 50mg codeine would be equivalent to 5mg morphine which WOULD technically be stronger than the 5mg vic, but euphoria-wise the vike is much better.

Oddly enough tptptp, lately I've been seeing more analgesic potentcy charts that are starting to list morphine equal to hydrocodone on a milligram per milligram basis.

[Inspektahdek]

Oddly enough tptptp, lately I've been seeing more analgesic potentcy charts that are starting to list morphine equal to hydrocodone on a milligram per milligram basis.


oddly I doubt that but analgesic wise it's not too bad well the morphine part that it converts to as a mg to mg basis which is still not mg to mg, but not too spaced out from hydro eitiher as far as JUST ANALGESIA is concerned and not catching the buzz. Hydro euphoria is much stronger than codeine and I'm sure many can agree with me on this one right boys?

[jonny-5]

absolutely. plus codeine tolerance builds up really quickly, and codeine has a ceiling effect. after a couple days it doesnt even give me a buzz anymore.

[euphoria2002]

absolutely. plus codeine tolerance builds up really quickly, and codeine has a ceiling effect. after a couple days it doesnt even give me a buzz anymore.

Yeah, if you're using it every single day of course you're gonna get used to it. Try the same thing with hydro or oxy and you'll get the same thing. One week of continuous use and it doesn't work so good anymore..... same deal.

It just bugs me when people act like you're a loser if you use codeine. So what, there's some kind of drug hierarchy that exists? Hydro users laugh at the codeine users, and the oxy users laugh at the hydro users, and the Heroin users laugh at everyone? You ain't a real man 'til you use H and got the tracks to prove it?

I used codeine occasionally for a couple of years, continually getting good effect. I'd still be using them if I hadn't gone and fucked up my tolerance with those pods. Those were the good old days. :(

[clinton]

i took about 250 to 300 mg to feel a buzz...
perduratas i do believe...
it worked but if you take to much you can get nauseous real quick..
if you have no tolerance 50mg will do something...
i read once that 30mg of codeine is rouhly 5 mg of vicodin...
i know they are derived from different parts of opium, im just typing what i read...
i also read somewhere that vicodin is some latin/code , the name apperenlty shows its strength realtionship to codeine...

vi codin 5mg
6 codeine 30mg

i dont know where i read that...
that was the original pharmacists attempt anyway....

[tptptp]

i took about 250 to 300 mg to feel a buzz...
perduratas i do believe...
it worked but if you take to much you can get nauseous real quick..
if you have no tolerance 50mg will do something...
i read once that 30mg of codeine is rouhly 5 mg of vicodin...
i know they are derived from different parts of opium, im just typing what i read...
i also read somewhere that vicodin is some latin/code , the name apperenlty shows its strength realtionship to codeine...

vi codin 5mg
6 codeine 30mg

i dont know where i read that...
that was the original pharmacists attempt anyway....

Thats about right, talking oral 10mg codeine = 1mg morphine = *roughly* 2mg hydro

When it comes to euphoria though, the hydro will always win out against an equivalent amount of codeine.

Brynoraur - Thats kinda weird, I still think morphines much stronger IMO, I think the 1m to 2h seems about right. But who knows, maybe they are equivalent in the same way codeine is equivalent to hydro but they hydro feels much better. Euphoria wise obviously hydro kills codeine and morphine kills hydro.

[euphoria2002]

Thats about right, talking oral 10mg codeine = 1mg morphine = *roughly* 2mg hydro

When it comes to euphoria though, the hydro will always win out against an equivalent amount of codeine.

Brynoraur - Thats kinda weird, I still think morphines much stronger IMO, I think the 1m to 2h seems about right. But who knows, maybe they are equivalent in the same way codeine is equivalent to hydro but they hydro feels much better. Euphoria wise obviously hydro kills codeine and morphine kills hydro.

The problem (in my opinion) with all of these equivalency charts is that they are based on analgesic effect. The reason it's a problem for opiophiles is simple, we aren't taking them for the analgesic effects.

Those dosage converters don't compare the euphoric effect, which is the main reason people use opiates recreationally.

Those drug 2 drug conversions are good as a rough estimate of how strong a drug is though.

[bronyraur]

Yeah, if you're using it every single day of course you're gonna get used to it. Try the same thing with hydro or oxy and you'll get the same thing. One week of continuous use and it doesn't work so good anymore..... same deal.

It just bugs me when people act like you're a loser if you use codeine. So what, there's some kind of drug hierarchy that exists? Hydro users laugh at the codeine users, and the oxy users laugh at the hydro users, and the Heroin users laugh at everyone? You ain't a real man 'til you use H and got the tracks to prove it?

I used codeine occasionally for a couple of years, continually getting good effect. I'd still be using them if I hadn't gone and fucked up my tolerance with those pods. Those were the good old days. :(

Well said Euphoria.

It doesn't matter what opiate you use, it still is an opiate.

Thats about right, talking oral 10mg codeine = 1mg morphine = *roughly* 2mg hydro

When it comes to euphoria though, the hydro will always win out against an equivalent amount of codeine.

Brynoraur - Thats kinda weird, I still think morphines much stronger IMO, I think the 1m to 2h seems about right. But who knows, maybe they are equivalent in the same way codeine is equivalent to hydro but they hydro feels much better. Euphoria wise obviously hydro kills codeine and morphine kills hydro.

I agree with you regarding the subjective effects of hydro vs. codeine. And theses charts that I speak of vary wildly in their mg to mg comparisions for analgesia.

The problem (in my opinion) with all of these equivalency charts is that they are based on analgesic effect. The reason it's a problem for opiophiles is simple, we aren't taking them for the analgesic effects.

Those dosage converters don't compare the euphoric effect, which is the main reason people use opiates recreationally.

Those drug 2 drug conversions are good as a rough estimate of how strong a drug is though.

Exactly Euphoria. These charts compare analgesic potentcy, not euphoric potentcy per mg; which is usually (if not always) what an opiate abuser considers.

Thanks for getting my back, man. I'd give you pts but the damn site won't let me.

[Inspektahdek]

i know, and you can imagine how happy i was to find that out after i had quit heroin for 5 months and was going crazy for ANYTHING.


btw: nice to see a fellow junglist on here :D


dear GOD, how many opiophile JUNGLISTs are there? :D:D:D

[HeidiW]

Yeah, when I'm dopesick, ANY opiate is greatly appreciated.(and taken):D

[tptptp]

The problem (in my opinion) with all of these equivalency charts is that they are based on analgesic effect. The reason it's a problem for opiophiles is simple, we aren't taking them for the analgesic effects.

Those dosage converters don't compare the euphoric effect, which is the main reason people use opiates recreationally.

Those drug 2 drug conversions are good as a rough estimate of how strong a drug is though.

Erm, thats basically what I was saying or at least trying to say...

[soulninja]

Wow that would have to be someone COMPLETELY opiateh the naive like never taken them before or something of that nature.


Ceiling dose is 400mg, meaning u won't be able to feel anything higher than this as far as your buzz efficiency is concerned and also anything in that area or near that will cause intense itching because of histamine release and the reason that the ceiling dose is at that mg %age, is because codeine is a weaker analogue kinda derived from morphine in which your metabolism at the CPY4d6 enzyme breaks codeine downt to morphine but only by %10 and this is the max your body can handle being metabolized at one time. 450 or 500mg might add just a very little more than the 400mg. and since 400mg is pretty much the max CEILING all you will receive from this is a subtle, tad boost and a massive increase in antihistamine release meaning itching til your skin is rubbed off!

It's not very pleasant and recall eating 500mg during a withdrawal from a much stronger pharm addiction.

However the dose, it u exceed 250/300mg, make sure you have hydrocortisone cream and/or bendryl to counteract that histamine release causing mad itching. Glad to help bro

peace


Last time i wasin toronto i thought i was all slick because i read about the cold water extraction for codiene pills.They were 8mg w/ caffiene and i did an extraction for 40 pills which should have been less than 40o mgs because youlose a lot in the process,but i thought i was gona get high as shit.....nothing ,I went to sleep

[tptptp]

Last time i wasin toronto i thought i was all slick because i read about the cold water extraction for codiene pills.They were 8mg w/ caffiene and i did an extraction for 40 pills which should have been less than 40o mgs because youlose a lot in the process,but i thought i was gona get high as shit.....nothing ,I went to sleep

hehe bud 8 times 40 is alot less than 400 before you lose any in the extraction ;)

[euphoria2002]

hehe bud 8 times 40 is alot less than 400 before you lose any in the extraction ;)

Yep! Soulninja likely got his hands on some tylenol 1's (or genric equivalent). So he had 320mgs to work with in theory. After a CWE (likely assumption) he's got maybe 250, plus a whack of caffeine. The caff/codi ratio in T 1's is pretty disadvantageous to say the least.

[Opilover]

Yeah, when I'm dopesick, ANY opiate is greatly appreciated.(and taken):D


I agree with you 100% They all look good....

[jerets]

Damn... I just converted it -- 30mg of Codeine = 4.5mg of Morphine. Hah... can you imagine. I would need 600mg of Codeine to replace my morphine use each day. My god

[roxi*stardust]

The problem (in my opinion) with all of these equivalency charts is that they are based on analgesic effect. The reason it's a problem for opiophiles is simple, we aren't taking them for the analgesic effects.

Those dosage converters don't compare the euphoric effect, which is the main reason people use opiates recreationally.

Those drug 2 drug conversions are good as a rough estimate of how strong a drug is though.
That and generally they are comparing everything to IV Morphine. Cause lord knows 1mg of oral MSO4 wouldn't do anything to anyone.

[nick]

Yeah, if you're using it every single day of course you're gonna get used to it. Try the same thing with hydro or oxy and you'll get the same thing. One week of continuous use and it doesn't work so good anymore..... same deal.

It just bugs me when people act like you're a loser if you use codeine. So what, there's some kind of drug hierarchy that exists? Hydro users laugh at the codeine users, and the oxy users laugh at the hydro users, and the Heroin users laugh at everyone? You ain't a real man 'til you use H and got the tracks to prove it?

I used codeine occasionally for a couple of years, continually getting good effect. I'd still be using them if I hadn't gone and fucked up my tolerance with those pods. Those were the good old days. :(

Man,I never,EVER meant to give the impression there was anything cool about using harder opiates.


Tolerence sucks and MUCH power to anyone who can get high on codeine-I wish I could.