the problem with dope

[Paregoric Kid]

Shooting dope is one of, no, is the best feeling I've ever felt in my life. (well I would say a speedball exceeds it) But I hate shooting and only do it very rarely. I have needlephobia, so I need to take an ativan before I even try to shoot. so the problem is, pills cost way more than dope here
$20 for 40mg oxycodone $40 80mg oxycodone
I have a special methadone hookup but here to the average joe junky they go for $5 for 10mg each
dilaudids can go anywhere from $10-25 but those are rare and half the time you don't know what mg you are getting
though if you could get a hookup for 8mg dilaudid for $10-20 that would beat dope for me, but these are rare and hard to find anyways
sure you can buy a bundle but I never save that much for dope
it's hard to find any decent bags for less than $25 (once in a while someone gets back from the city and hooks me up for $20) a lot of scammers try and get $30 for one shitty bag
these bags here are fuckin small
though once in a while you will get fat bags, wait a week and read the papers about some poor fuck(s) who ODs
but anyways, smoking has never really worked efficient for me
snorting has yielded mixed results, from very good to very bad
sublingual wasn't bad but wasn't good
oral was close to a waste
so any ideas for effective ways to take heroin that aren't IV
besides snorting like 3 bags in a row lol
I know the answer is there is no way, but I've heard that to smoke it right you need to add something to change the burning temp
and usually smoking something yields results closer to IV than any other route (smoking crack, shooting coke, very similar but IV always wins)

[Peripat]

There's always shoving it up your backside (known as "shafting" in my part of the world)

Luckily I don't have your problem with needles. I'll even happily inject others - I've been told I'm quite good at it. Unluckily, though, my own veins are harder and harder to find, and even when I get it first go, I leave a red welt on my arm that doesn't go away for weeks. I have a nice little needlepoint pattern up and down the easy-to-get-at vein in my right arm (the one in my left arm collapsed, so I had to learn ambidexterity... never say that us junkies aren't resourceful.)

[Paregoric Kid]

yeah not being able to find a vein sucks, a couple times I had to poke around a bit before I found one, no fun

[bi11i]

the best way i'd always found is that i'd tie off with my shirt sleeve. i'd grab a little of the end and twist it, pulling the twisted part under my armpit to hold the tourniquet. this rolls the vein (and any extra skin on the arm) towards the body and keeps the vein in place. no rolling.

my other advice is to use SHARP needles. don't use the same shitty old disposable for a week; a good way to lose an arm it is. if you live in oregon or some other place that has a needle exchange, you've no excuse. when i was in portland i could go down and get 50 needles for nothing, no questions asked... in fact, i got a little 'junky kit' from h&w down there - complete with cottons, alcohols swabs, a box to dispose of points, etc. pretty cool if you ask me....

[Peripat]

my other advice is to use SHARP needles. don't use the same shitty old disposable for a week; a good way to lose an arm it is. if you live in oregon or some other place that has a needle exchange, you've no excuse. when i was in portland i could go down and get 50 needles for nothing, no questions asked... in fact, i got a little 'junky kit' from h&w down there - complete with cottons, alcohols swabs, a box to dispose of points, etc. pretty cool if you ask me....

Actually, the "junky kit" (also known as a "fitpack") is standard here in needle exchanges in Queensland. Not sure about New South Wales and Victoria, but I think they adopt similar approaches. Also, when I bought needles from the CVS Pharmacy in Connecticut, they came in a pack with cottons, swabs, and a sharps disposal bin also.

[Paregoric Kid]

I've used kendall monojects 28g 1cc and 29g 1cc
it's good to be friends with people who work around them ;)

[Peripat]

My favourite is the Terumo 27g, 1ml syringe/needle. B&D (28g) syringes with needles are also available at most needle exchanges here, but I find them a bit stiff and awkward for the "drawback" and I've spoken to many users who feel the same way. Also the needle is just a little TOO small for my liking.

Paregoric, if you like I can send you some stuff on safe injecting techniques and so on... Private Message me. I don't know if it's legal in your part of the US for me to send you syringes but there's nothing to stop me sending you alcohol swabs etc. Shoot straight, shoot clean as they say...

[I am err!]

jesus christ, if your fucking vein collapsed you should consider quitting. God damn!

[jacky]

I found that cooking the dope as usual, but with 1/4 the water, or just enough to liquefy, and then snorting worked very well. using an eyedropper, or a syringe barrel without a needle worked good. one could also use a nasal mist apparatus with a little glycerine mixed in to stick the material in the nasal casvity for a time. the only downside is that you need to wait and sense your dosage before redosing. insuffilated drugs can be very potent, almost as potent as IV, definitely more potent than IM or oral or vaporized.

[thechicken]

I am an old timer that always had trouble with my veins, some easy tips to follow is always use fresh works, use a warm/to hot moist clean towel, and place it over where you want to hit for at least 15 minutes. This increases the blood flow to your vein. Keep yourself hydrated you will be surprised how important this is. Even being partially hydrated will effect the thickeness of you blood and the ability to draw on a vein. If you do not have a rubber tube to use for your tie off, use an ace bandage. You want it tight, but expandable. Tie off approximatly 2 inches above where your going to hit. If you know you going to be doing multiple hits be sure to start at the lowest point because if you blow the vein you can go above.

If you miss a vein and get a bump, redness or purple color, use warm compresses at least 4 times a day. If you start getting streakes going up your vein, purpleless greenish, or yellowish. You have philbitis, the treatment for that is warm compresses. The moist heat, for about 15 to 30 minutes 4x's a day, increases and the decreases the blood flow. Therefore the body cleans out the vein. If you have a bump, or any kind of trauma. Epson salts are also good to use when you do your warm compresses.

If you have any kind of break in the skin that looks infected or run a fever even a low grade fever get yourself to a doctor. The local infection at the sight is not what is so dangerous, the infection can easily spread to your heart and then you are screwed. So be safe, and clean. If you can always leave one vein untouched. You never know if you get sick or something a health care professional may need a vein to save your life!

[motorcitycheeze]

Where you from kid.
Don't play with skin poping
you will end up with an abcess,
they might need to take your arm.
What would you tell mommy and daddy?
Either shoot or snort the dope aint strong enough to smoke

[Curio]

the best way i'd always found is that i'd tie off with my shirt sleeve. i'd grab a little of the end and twist it, pulling the twisted part under my armpit to hold the tourniquet. this rolls the vein (and any extra skin on the arm) towards the body and keeps the vein in place. no rolling.
my other advice is to use SHARP needles. don't use the same shitty old disposable for a week; a good way to lose an arm it is. if you live in oregon or some other place that has a needle exchange, you've no excuse. when i was in portland i could go down and get 50 needles for nothing, no questions asked... in fact, i got a little 'junky kit' from h&w down there - complete with cottons, alcohols swabs, a box to dispose of points, etc. pretty cool if you ask me....


never even knew that the whole time I was shooting while in Portland!

me and the boyfriend would always just buy a ten pack at the pharmacy....

[HistoryofMadness]

the problem with dope is that I have none!

my veins suck bad... there are some good short term solutions, but long term, shooters will fuck up their veins regardless of precautions.

stop shooting now if you don't want to permantly mark yourself as a junky. (yeah this thread is old i'm talking to the future not the past)

[nick]

the problem with dope is that I have none!

my veins suck bad... there are some good short term solutions, but long term, shooters will fuck up their veins regardless of precautions.

stop shooting now if you don't want to permantly mark yourself as a junky. (yeah this thread is old i'm talking to the future not the past)

Damn straight! I shot up for 20 years and when I look at the tracks on my hands I want to cry-or use.

[chucky]

After shooting copious amounts of black tar in SF I have no veins left. I have found several large veins in my froin but I warn you it is dangerous, It is very easy to get a blood clot and if you hit the main artery in your groin it feels like the fires of hell have hit it
peace

[odd]

After shooting copious amounts of black tar in SF I have no veins left. I have found several large veins in my froin but I warn you it is dangerous, It is very easy to get a blood clot and if you hit the main artery in your groin it feels like the fires of hell have hit it
peace


Ditto, after shooting tar from SF for 2 years my shit was jacked. I had to IM and got a few abcesses because of it. Right now though, my shit is pretty much patched up. (2 years clean)

[Woowoo]

ya just take the pointy and find a noodle and listen you dont want to go in at a real low angle you want to sort of come straight down, well not straight down, but maybe a 45 degree angle or more. and then when you think you got it, you pull back and if you see that purple rose blossom and then you know you got it goood and then DONT MOVE THE FOKKIN POINTY just push the plunger and you can feel it when you're doin it right

and dats what gives you the yukyuks bigtime

wooowooo!!!

[Dances with Smack]

Man...bad hits suck.

I have the worst veins ever...I'm probably the LAST fucker that should be shooting up. Consider too that my 'ol lady (a healthcare professional) is the one that's tapping me.

Man, all the dope wasted that went to missed veins...

[Mallinckrodt]

Be sure to check the date on these posts before replying to them. This one was dead in feb of 07. . .I'm a newbie also so im not sure how everybody feels about bumping threads like this, but i've seen people reprimanded a few times for it. Just lookin out 4 ya.

[Saint]

Damn straight! I shot up for 20 years and when I look at the tracks on my hands I want to cry-or use.

Same here. Sometimes I look at my arms thinking 'shit, what happened in those 20 years, did I do that?' Then I'm washed away by a sad mood and just wish I had some right there.. but I know I shouldn't. Not anymore

[SeVeN]

the best way i'd always found is that i'd tie off with my shirt sleeve. i'd grab a little of the end and twist it, pulling the twisted part under my armpit to hold the tourniquet. this rolls the vein (and any extra skin on the arm) towards the body and keeps the vein in place. no rolling.



Ahhaaa me too man. Everytime i did this in front of some one they would look at me wierd......but before too long they were doing it too. ah the "good" ole days!

[betmylife]

THE ONLY REAL JUNK DILEMA IS HAVING NO JUNK.

[motts]

I guess I am lucky in the sense my veins are so healthy and nice from working out I basically don't have to tie off. It does look a little strange when I wear long sleeve t-shirts to workout though.

But anyways I think that every pharmacy in the US, and the rest of the world (not including the places that have it) should carry "iv kits" needles, cottons, alcohol pads, filters, etc. and they should be able to be replaced whenever, no questions asked. If the world wanted to clean up on AIDS and Hep. C ...maybe one today.

As far as your question you basically answered it, IV, snort, plug.......just suck it up and IV otherwise in my opinion Heroin is a waste of time/money.

Take care and be safe :)