A thing for us to do or not do. Name or not name.

[Opiyum]

The suboxone swithc that alot of people, me included, do. Get a scrip take the pills use when you want never get sick drag it out maintainance program thingy.


What should we call this process. Its a derivative of chipping the way i see it....Any suggestions. Real or funny would be totally real and possibly funny.

Definately not funny if Nick responds.


I kill you.

[stormyskier]

For me sub makes chipping possible without geting sick. I take sub Monday thru wednesday and use friday, saturday. I don't use on sunday so I'm in mild withdrawls when I take the sub so I don't get the precipitated withdrawls. I stop taking the sub on wednesday so it doesn't mess up my high on fri.

[nick]

I'm not saying a word.


and I kill you first.

[Hammilton]

i will to.

and wtf is this thread about?

[nick]

i will to.

and wtf is this thread about?

Ham bro,you get the gun and I'll get the lime.........he'll never know what hit him.

It will have to be a shallow grave-I'm a lazy guy.

[tptptp]

how do ytou manage to not take subs for a day, maybe its pure compulsion or my god-like metabolism but I gotta take somethin!

[Opiyum]

i will to.

and wtf is this thread about?

Yeah. I did not make that clear in any sense. Sorry. No excuses here. Just...me.

Just wanted to figure out a term for those that get scrips for subs and still use. The back and forth deal.

I thought it would go over well cause humans love puting things in boxes then labeling those boxes and organizing the box by size shape and color.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

Just wanted to figure out a term for those that get scrips for subs and still use. The back and forth deal.



The old switcheroo. lol

[Opiyum]

Good memory BDG. I forgot about that one.

[Seedy]

Yeah. I did not make that clear in any sense. Sorry. No excuses here. Just...me.

Just wanted to figure out a term for those that get scrips for subs and still use. The back and forth deal.

I thought it would go over well cause humans love puting things in boxes then labeling those boxes and organizing the box by size shape and color.

sounds like my kind of routine. :)

[Digitopium]

Its called: "The fuck your tolerance routine".

Or Maybe: "Drugs wasted in the overlap game".

Howabout: "Detox/Retox"


I think that last one works best.

[IceCold]

Yeah when I first started playing the sub weekend warrior game I was sick all the time broke and it seems great. Now I don't like it because it always seems like someone will offer me a free bag or a good deal right after I take a sub so I have to wait or waste the dope. I am thinking of switching to street bought 'done so I can still get high on a whim.

[Papa Verine]

How about we call it "substaining" a habit.

[Diluted]

How about:
"I'm "subbin'" this week till pay-day."

Or:
"I "bupeitout" when the stash is dry"

Hard to think of a jingle - this will keep me entertained tonight.

[Diluted]

How about we call it "substaining" a habit.

Thats good!

[l4l5]

guys you make it seem like wd is the worst thing on earth, sure its not a ideal situation, but take it like a man, and just ride it out :D
I do twice a month for a week to keep tolerance down on my oxy

[OxyContinuously]

Maybe the whole bupe switch thing could be called: "Hey I'm Cheating Myself, and May As Well Stick With My DOC Instead Of Wasting My Money On Suboxone"


just a thought

[SuperJunky]

guys you make it seem like wd is the worst thing on earth, sure its not a ideal situation, but take it like a man, and just ride it out :D
I do twice a month for a week to keep tolerance down on my oxy

I usually agre w/ this type of sentiment but latley I just can't fucken do it, after 18 hours opiate free (hell, even some days w/ week opiates) I'm completly fuckin useless, consuming as many different sedtives as possible, and shortly there after (maybe 26 to 28 hours) I'm shaking, puking, blacking out (not sleep) and seizing, makes me wonder exactly what the shits cut w/.

[OxyContinuously]

I usually agre w/ this type of sentiment but latley I just can't fucken do it, after 18 hours opiate free (hell, even some days w/ week opiates) I'm completly fuckin useless, consuming as many different sedtives as possible, and shortly there after (maybe 26 to 28 hours) I'm shaking, puking, blacking out (not sleep) and seizing, makes me wonder exactly what the shits cut w/.


I know it's a fucking ardurous journey, but 18 hrs is a start at least. :rolleyes: Damn, man, I feel that. Do you have anything to help like Kratom , subs, anything? Shit, if you can, go to your local A&P or whatever the major supermarket is called near you and maybe get some poppy seeds? You know the seizures are what really worries me. PLease take some xanax or klon if you have any...that'll ease it. Actually klonopin's purpose besides an anxiolytic is an anti-seizure med. take care dude.

I dunno. I'm sure you already know all this, but WD sucks bro, and poppy seeds (like a couple lbs, LOL) should help you through the hump. I'm just trying to give some suggestions, man not trying to tell you shit you already know.

feel better
later

Oxy

[Ganjacake]

POPPY SEEDS ???

[tptptp]

Maybe the whole bupe switch thing could be called: "Hey I'm Cheating Myself, and May As Well Stick With My DOC Instead Of Wasting My Money On Suboxone"


just a thought

If you dont have insurance sure, with insurance for the pills after youve been to the doc a couple times people are usually paying 25 - $150 /month and $25-$40 for a brand name script. If you get overprescribed which you should strive for like my doc (4 8 mg's/day) you're getting

in my case about 120 pills for $125 and taking about half a pill a day. 240 days for $125 around 50 cents a day, compared to my prior......$10-$20/day or a real junky $50-$200/day...though they'd need 2-3 as much bupe still only $1 to $1.50/day

Ity has its other advahtages too, like being pretty easy to get tolerance down some, passing drug tests etc.

if you dont have insurance it might be somewhat cheaper but not much!

For the here and now subs aint too bad I simply cant afford to NOT take breaks/not be able to pass drug tests etc. and I cant just get sick and not go to work.

l45 - I agree somewhat but wd'ng twice a month is not the same as dropping a 1 year daily h habit or something....most people cant function when sick. If I WD twice a month and managed to get to work and work I still couldnt cause I'd be shitting and puking nonstop, just isnt gonna fly...

[Opiyum]

Maybe the whole bupe switch thing could be called: "Hey I'm Cheating Myself, and May As Well Stick With My DOC Instead Of Wasting My Money On Suboxone"


just a thought

With insurance it is actually a profitable way of doing things. I also have the patience necessary to wait to use . As far as being a man I did that for 6 years and I chose to become a pussy I guess because in my line of work it would be impossible to go to work sick.
Being sick is normally what gets you into situations that put you in jail or make you lose your job. Most negative things happen happen due to either getting sick or the fear of getting sick. I made it my goal to never have to do that again.

If your ripping (the others too) on people for doing what Im doing I can totally understand. Whatever you need to do to make yourself fel better about what you do and have to go through.
Dont get it twisted though. Your no better than any other.
That goes for all the nay sayers.

Simple questions tend to make soapboxes around here. I'm no innocent so fuck it.

PAPA....Substaining is a great one. Though it probably wont catch on I still love it.
Thanks for contributing to the thread in the way that was requested instead of sucking your ego's dick.

[drugsaregood]

The I take subs instead of good drugs maneuver.

[Papa Verine]

POPPY SEEDS ???

If you get the right ones they'll get you right back.

[candyshop]

i really liked the detox/retox suggestion

[blackdog]

hey peeps, good post cause my inquiring mind needs ta know......if there's any credence? to the rumor concerning.......the ideas that subs wont work as well for you depending on how long you've been using dope/heron for previously? huh? say that again! yeah what i'm trying to ask is would it matter how long you been using dope for subutex to work for ya ????one way or another any ideas?thanx
da/dawgg,:p

[Ganjacake]

Im in between drs and the "Box" is doing its job!!I'm a pretty heavy oxy user,about 5-6 a day.so when i ran out I took 3 - 8's the first day and 1 1/2 each day after.I also take klonipins with them , which I beleive is the difference.DR IS TUESDAY,YAY! this is a good wean method ,that works for me.thank god for "BOX" (sub)

[Ganjacake]

I forgot to say .Its very easy to get10/20 subs for like 5 80's. cheap in my book!

[kazman32]

Sub (I have been on for a few months) was the ONLY thing to help my depression, diagnosed with bi-polar in 2000 depression ruined my life, I lost my girlfriend and her son (who I loved dearly) I have been on all the ssri anti-depressents..didn't do shit, opiates have always helped my depression but I developed a nasty oxy/perc habit I spent everything on them didn't matter If I made $600 a month on ssdi,, or when I was managming a health club making $5000 a month it all went to drugs..anyway my doc is really cool knows the sub is helping my depression and has seen research that it does in fact help with depression, so he dosn't have any intent to taper me down...I hope that it does in fact become approved for depression, I have read alot of research and the anti-depressent effecrs of opiate drugs, sub dosn't really get me 'high' It just kills my depression...the only drug that has done so with any degree of sucess.

[l4l5]

if your seizing from detoxing, that would suggest a long time use, am I right? if thats the case you need to keep your blood pressure in check, the first time I detoxed, I had come off a 3 month binge of 100mg a day of oxy, I would wake up light headed sometimes with headaches, thats as far as it got for me. I am extremly healthy as well, im a vegan and keep healthy as much as my condition allows me, I ended up taking an aspirin before bed to help keep my blood thin, and helps blood pressure, and that helped alot.

Guys I didnt mean to sound cold about my last post of course getting off junk is hard to do, but a lot of it is mind controll. you obviously like taking junk, addicted to feeling of it, so its not an ideal situation to just stop taking something that make you feel good, I understand this, my mentality when coming of junk is the biggest determing factor of staying clean for my certain periods of abstainance. Im no angel I do use oxy for pain controll, but also love the feeling, which is why I stop for a week or so, just to remind my body that im in controll and to keep tolerance down, if my pain gets to unbearable level, after detoxing for a day, even 50mg of codeine is enough to kill the pain just enough to stay level and be comfortable

I wish everyone the best in getting off junk in whatever route they choose to get rid of it

[psychotiKK]

The suboxone swithc that alot of people, me included, do. Get a scrip take the pills use when you want never get sick drag it out maintainance program thingy.


What should we call this process. Its a derivative of chipping the way i see it....Any suggestions. Real or funny would be totally real and possibly funny.

I would call this a self centered act. Doing this takes away opportunities to people who are serious about getting clean. I'd also say it's a huge waste of money and time.

[tptptp]

I would call this a self centered act. Doing this takes away opportunities to people who are serious about getting clean. I'd also say it's a huge waste of money and time.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. How is not getting sick selfish? How does him taking subs deprive others from getting clean? How is 50 cents a day to avoid sickness and kill many peoples depression and anxiety(and also easily lower tolerance if done right) where other meds havent a waste of money.

Subs are a GODSEND and I dont believe in god.

If the only sub patients were the ones who really truly wanted to get clean they would have to pay more than they do now because theyd have a hell of alot less patients and therefore would need greater compensation to make up for their training etc.
Almost anyone in any area can find a sub doc now without a waiting list since its 100 and not 30.

[tptptp]

Just wnated to add it always amazes me how people act when they are jealous, often by telling themselves that they dont want that thing or yeha I do lots of dope but i didnt just pawn my ps2 like that guy, so im ok wow that guys a big loser for doing that ! (what someone used to say to me about their frien d to make themselves feel better i assume, literally) its the usual BS I just have never understood how people truly buy into their own BS

That statement was also extremely ignorant or just plain stupid. I'd bet its ignorance though.

[Opiyum]

I would call this a self centered act. Doing this takes away opportunities to people who are serious about getting clean. I'd also say it's a huge waste of money and time.

It only takes an hour of my month and I make money from it. Otherwise who knows.

[Opiyum]

hey peeps, good post cause my inquiring mind needs ta know......if there's any credence? to the rumor concerning.......the ideas that subs wont work as well for you depending on how long you've been using dope/heron for previously? huh? say that again! yeah what i'm trying to ask is would it matter how long you been using dope for subutex to work for ya ????one way or another any ideas?thanx
da/dawgg,:p

I hear what your saying and all I can say is I dont think so. Ive only been using 8 years all in all but I know a few 20+ guys that are on subs and they love them.

[psychotiKK]

Just wnated to add it always amazes me how people act when they are jealous, often by telling themselves that they dont want that thing or yeha I do lots of dope but i didnt just pawn my ps2 like that guy, so im ok wow that guys a big loser for doing that ! (what someone used to say to me about their frien d to make themselves feel better i assume, literally) its the usual BS I just have never understood how people truly buy into their own BS

That statement was also extremely ignorant or just plain stupid. I'd bet its ignorance though.

If you're talking to me, I don't have much to say to you. Everything you have said is completely unrelated and far from the truth. It's incredibly ironic to say that I would make a statement out of jealousy and to make myself feel better when you just made an attempt to do so to me. :rolleyes:

[dimebagaboy]

how long does it take for the subs to wear off dying to shoot up over here!:mad:

[dimebagaboy]

my brother bought a couple bags the other day right in front of me i was on 16 mgs subs and i got a little shaky but maintained and bought a couple nickel rocks instead i hate crack but smoked it anyways i guess i just had to buy something at the trap and my bro wouldnt let me buy dope it sucked:mad:

[tptptp]

If you're talking to me, I don't have much to say to you. Everything you have said is completely unrelated and far from the truth. It's incredibly ironic to say that I would make a statement out of jealousy and to make myself feel better when you just made an attempt to do so to me. :rolleyes:

thanks for proving my point, sorry if those facts made you jealous! The only statement far from the truth is that one person using bupe to lower their tolerance hurts others who want to get clean more than it helps. What an ignorant statement.

[tptptp]

It only takes an hour of my month and I make money from it. Otherwise who knows.

Oh yeah, well my docs close so its about a half hour a month.

If I hung with the junky crowd I'd probably make a good bit off of it too, without a doubt. Most users dont seem to have insurance so they have to first pay a doc, go through the intial process and follow ups and thewn spernd about 75 cents a mg (and usually required to bnuy their entire script at once which many cant do) so most people would be glad to pay the straight up 75 cents per mg, being happy they dont need to see a doc or pay for the doc visits.

IOn my case I'm getting 960mg a month for about $125, so if I sold them at 75 cents a pop (what the pharmacy charges on the cheaper end for the pills without insurance) and sold them all, I'd MAKE $595.
So those who know people who use subs with insurance should be able to at least break even on their pills given how much doc overprescribe while at the same time getting an adequate amount of subs. If I had friends that used I could probably hook them up at like half of that price, use all the subs I need personally and still make a couple hundred a month. I only have one friend who uses thiough and hes not hooked anymore.

Stockpiling these is very handy though. Actually if you have insurance you should get subs even if you dont plan to use them if you hang around the junky crowd you'd get a huge $ money leverage on trades, sales etc. just based on the fact that most dont have insurance and the pills without are ridiculously priced.

[tptptp]

how long does it take for the subs to wear off dying to shoot up over here!:mad:

Half life is about 36 + hours. Metabloism makes a difference as does the amount you're using. to get 100% full effects off a large dose with aerage metabolism you'll need about 72 hours I'd guess. But you can always use extra and get high sooner but its gonna mess with yoiur tolerance. If you cant handle being on subs for at least a week straight before using for a day or two you're going to make your tolerance alot worse, subs wont work too well that way.

PS I always end up double posting because I dont know how you insert a quote into a reply after you've already inserted another one (like you hit quote and it brings up the thread with the quote but then I dont know how you'd use the quote feature to bring uyp another quote to use in the same post?)

[bronyraur]

guys you make it seem like wd is the worst thing on earth, sure its not a ideal situation, but take it like a man, and just ride it out :D
I do twice a month for a week to keep tolerance down on my oxy

Take it like a man? WTF? When you're on high doses of opiates for extended periods of time, it's next to impossible to just "ride it out".

That's like saying to someone who just cut their finger off, "oh don't worry, it's just a minor flesh wound, put some pressure on it and you'll be OK".

of course getting off junk is hard to do, but a lot of it is mind controll.

mind control isn't gonna do shit for ya when you're taking 300+mgs of morphine and 120mgs of oxy a day.

I would call this a self centered act. Doing this takes away opportunities to people who are serious about getting clean. I'd also say it's a huge waste of money and time.

Be careful not to fall off your soapbox.:rolleyes:


I don't have any suggestions regarding a name for this "method", but I will say that it has saved my ass a few times. As most of you know, I'm a CP patient, and on the few occasions when I run out of all my meds early (usually I run out of oxy or morphine, not both), using subs has saved me from nasty WDs. The subs don't completely control the pain I have, but they keep me from wanting to hang myself.

[tptptp]

Be careful not to fall off your soapbox.:rolleyes:


Yeah.
Right after I posted that he went to another of my threads to try to bash me there. Probably because he realizes he has no way of digging himself out of such a stupid comment. Hey psych next time ur wd'ng with shit rolling out of your ass I'll be sucking on some bupe AHAHAHA

[Opiyum]

Oh yeah, well my docs close so its about a half hour a month.

If I hung with the junky crowd I'd probably make a good bit off of it too, without a doubt. Most users dont seem to have insurance so they have to first pay a doc, go through the intial process and follow ups and thewn spernd about 75 cents a mg (and usually required to bnuy their entire script at once which many cant do) so most people would be glad to pay the straight up 75 cents per mg, being happy they dont need to see a doc or pay for the doc visits.

IOn my case I'm getting 960mg a month for about $125, so if I sold them at 75 cents a pop (what the pharmacy charges on the cheaper end for the pills without insurance) and sold them all, I'd MAKE $595.
So those who know people who use subs with insurance should be able to at least break even on their pills given how much doc overprescribe while at the same time getting an adequate amount of subs. If I had friends that used I could probably hook them up at like half of that price, use all the subs I need personally and still make a couple hundred a month. I only have one friend who uses thiough and hes not hooked anymore.

Stockpiling these is very handy though. Actually if you have insurance you should get subs even if you dont plan to use them if you hang around the junky crowd you'd get a huge $ money leverage on trades, sales etc. just based on the fact that most dont have insurance and the pills without are ridiculously priced.

It's funny cause in every aspect of my life I never think of the long term.... In any sense.
My junky life is the only time I do. Stockpiling and "substaining".
I was really suprised to see the negative reactions towards this post. I have saved so many junkies days and weeks and jobs in the last eight months its unreal. Every month 32 8mg pills get sent out through the grapevine to people in trouble. I've given the things away for free many times because I hate to see anyone get sick.
You could ask three or four people on my email list and they would confirm.
Im getting defensive....My point is if more people did this then junkies all over would be able to go on in life without so much god damn fear.
That is what scares the rehab people I think. The fact that someone can be happily addicted is contrary to everything they were prescribed.

Honest to god its the ability to help others out that are in need that is the best thing about having this scrip.
The freedom is nice too.
Oh and tomorrow Im getting first dibs on a scrip of 40's cause I helped a guy get through a night of work a few weeks ago.

Damn it all!
I know all to well that Im not selfish and I should know better than to waste my time convincing the narrow minded of this fact.
I'm by no means selfless in every scenario but all I can do is try.

Laughing all the way to the doc,

Opi

[tptptp]

It's funny cause in every aspect of my life I never think of the long term.... In any sense.
My junky life is the only time I do. Stockpiling and "substaining".
I was really suprised to see the negative reactions towards this post. I have saved so many junkies days and weeks and jobs in the last eight months its unreal. Every month 32 8mg pills get sent out through the grapevine to people in trouble. I've given the things away for free many times because I hate to see anyone get sick.
You could ask three or four people on my email list and they would confirm.
Im getting defensive....My point is if more people did this then junkies all over would be able to go on in life without so much god damn fear.
That is what scares the rehab people I think. The fact that someone can be happily addicted is contrary to everything they were prescribed.

Honest to god its the ability to help others out that are in need that is the best thing about having this scrip.
The freedom is nice too.
Oh and tomorrow Im getting first dibs on a scrip of 40's cause I helped a guy get through a night of work a few weeks ago.

Damn it all!
I know all to well that Im not selfish and I should know better than to waste my time convincing the narrow minded of this fact.
I'm by no means selfless in every scenario but all I can do is try.

Laughing all the way to the doc,

Opi

Yeah I agree I was agreeing with you, hopefully it didnt get misinterpreted, cause im not sure if here you are agreeing with me or not....lol confused
I was furthering your statements about how subs arent a waste of time and money and the folks who say they are are just jealous.

[psychotiKK]

I am on suboxone maintenance myself. It doesn't take a genius to realize there is no jealousy involved. Since you, tptptp, continue to make comments concerning me which make absolutely no sense is showing everyone your immaturity. What can you accomplish by throwing child-like insults at someone you don't even know over the internet? So I hurt your feelings and instead of using a tissue, you're using the keyboard... cry me a damn river. I can't believe my little post would offend you so badly.

"Actually if you have insurance you should get subs even if you dont plan to use them" -tptptp

Now it makes more sense. The kid is a damn moron. Looks like I have to wait until you can feed me more insults that you received on the playground.

[tptptp]

I am on suboxone maintenance myself. It doesn't take a genius to realize there is no jealousy involved. Since you, tptptp, continue to make comments concerning me which make absolutely no sense is showing everyone your immaturity. What can you accomplish by throwing child-like insults at someone you don't even know over the internet? So I hurt your feelings and instead of using a tissue, you're using the keyboard... cry me a damn river. I can't believe my little post would offend you so badly.

WE keep your costs down and surge demand (aka other docs wanting to get trained)

"Actually if you have insurance you should get subs even if you dont plan to use them" -tptptp

Now it makes more sense. The kid is a damn moron. Looks like I have to wait until you can feed me more insults that you received on the playground.

"Looks like I have to wait until you can feed me more" - Psychotikk
sorry dude I'm not gay.

dont forget to finish the quote "if you have junky friends" in the context of supporting your habit/friends and or making money. I stand by that. Is that selfish? maybe. but the original statements weren't & you cant dig yourself out of this hole, no one here agrees with you, becase our brains are intact.

You're on sub maintenance? man thats selfish to people who need those docs for real health problems who didnt choose to do drugs. Now they have to fly out and train for a drug program instead.

Hey man those people going to doctors for diabetes are selfish so us heart patients cant get a doctor easy.

Hey thoise hert patients who ate poorly all their life are slefish because I ate perfect and have the problems.

Riiiiiiiight


get a grip.

I guess we're all wrong and your jealous ramblings are right, hahaha

No one with money has a problem getting a sub doc, and thanks to people like us we keep you true wanna be quitters cost cheap. dont get it twisted. the demand also makes more doctors want to get trained and more availability. Maybe you should take a basic economics class or something. Maybe you should have went to school as a child, who knows
lol

Jealous that you will lvie out a shitty life and we will be living the best of both worlds. ahaha have fun with "sobriety", loser.

Jealousys not good for your health man.

[Opiyum]

Yeah I agree I was agreeing with you, hopefully it didnt get misinterpreted, cause im not sure if here you are agreeing with me or not....lol confused
I was furthering your statements about how subs arent a waste of time and money and the folks who say they are are just jealous.


Yeah I just put your quote up in that last one to show that I was talking to you about the same people you were talking about. I now realize that it could be confusing.
I am a confusing person a lot of the time.
Don't waste anymore of your time with Mr. K. It's certainly not worth it.
He is gonna think whatever he wants to think in the same way that we are.
So is life.
A toast!
To the everlasting bullshit that surrounds it.


PS. On monday I delivered 8 Subs to a friend I just met on the job Im working right now. He needed these so he would be able to make it to his appointment with the sub doc I hooked him up with. He is in bad shape in many ways and neds to clean up. I will be giving him a ride to the doctor when that time comes.
I know.
How selfish of me right?
The rest were sold to the monthly regulars and traded for the monthly needles.