Health-Food Store Ayahuasca?

[Hammilton]

anyone ever take P. Harmala, Tryptophan and L. Methionine (and I think B12, B6 and Folate)?

according to Rhodium, your body would produce DMT, NMT and NNT, in high enough quantities so as to get you to trip.

I don't think this is a banana-peel, but it may be bad science. I'm not sure

[Papa Verine]

anyone ever take P. Harmala, Tryptophan and L. Methionine (and I think B12, B6 and Folate)?

according to Rhodium, your body would produce DMT, NMT and NNT, in high enough quantities so as to get you to trip.

I don't think this is a banana-peel, but it may be bad science. I'm not sure

No, I haven't tried this but now that you mentioned it... Although with the money you're spending why don't you just buy some DMT-containing material on the web and do an extraction? I pulled it off with some Illinois Bundleflower root bark (harvested myself) a few years ago. I followed the instructions on Erowid and the final product was strong enough for a few good trips.

[Hammilton]

I was more interested in it for the novelty and the possibly to trip.

[Papa Verine]

I was more interested in it for the novelty and the possibly to trip.

I hear ya'. It would be very cool to be able to walk into a health food store and come out with a DMT trip. It's kind of like buying DXM at the grocery store.

A few weeks ago I found a very potent brand of poppy seed at a market nearby. (they're no longer carrying them) But anyway, I got so high and I just couldn't beleive I walked to the store and essentially bought a good dose of morphine for $6. I kept telling myself "holy shit, morphine at the grocery store"!!!

[jacky]

shulgin pondered this "endoge-huasca" possibility in one of his books.

perhaps this is why the harmala alkaloids are psychoactive in the first place?, the bodys natural tryptamines are enhanced when the harmala alkaloids are introduced....it is interesting that the harmala alkaloids produce visionary experiences on their own.

but I think just eating aminos and hoping that they produce sufficient amounts of metabolites is hopeful, but doubtful. and if it works for one person, that doesnt mean that it will work for the other.
I know that subtle effects can be felt from aminos, like gaba, tryptophan, etc, but I also think that these metabolic pathways of amino reaction/production/metabolism/catabolism are probably limited to a great degree by enzyme catabolism, or limited enzyme activity.

personally I think that melatonin might produce some byproduct active tryptamines, and also that smoking bufotenin, 5-meo dmt could possibly produce some type of sedative byproduct. just judging from reactions that I have had when taking these substances.

there are a few dietary supplements that I wouldnt take mixed with harmala alkaloids, due to their l-dopa/tryptamine content though.....

[Hammilton]

isn't bufotenine 4-meo-dmt? I know that 5-meo-dmt produces some great visionary effects- very close to pure DMT.

I dunno if I think that Harmala Alkaloids, the beta-carbolines are producing an endogohuasca effect, I mean, they're very closely related to the tryptamines, so why shouldn't they be psychedelic on their own right?

I dunno. I'm really confused about this, and I really think that finding an endogohuasca combination/technique would be the ultimate in psychedelic experiences. I mean, I'm not tripping now- of course- but I would imagine that the absolute knowledge that your own body is producing this wonderful, cosmic effects would be the greatest feeling possible when tripping.

I would love to experience this. I can't wait.

[mrklean]

I followed the instructions on Erowid and the final product was strong enough for a few good trips.


was this product pure enough to be smokable?

I am also very excited about this healthahuasca.

[OpiBli$$1988]

^i believe bufo is the stuff frogs secreet when their scared..its like smoking 5-meo-dmt if u smoke the stuff..lots of info on it at erowid.org. i hate 5-meo-dmt tho..its nothing like dmt..no hullucinations..just scary as fuck.

[jacky]

my thoughts on the harmala alkaloids is that people react very differently to them, and some people have some significant psychedelic experiences, and some have just dysphoria/sedative effects, perhaps endogenous tryptamines are part of the psychoactive effect, after all, its highly probably that some tryptamine compounds are present in your body when you take some harmala alkaloid.
perhaps these compounds can exhibit bi-phasic effects due to tryptamine interaction?
perhaps those with low endogenous tryptamine content feel harmala alkaloids as relaxing, slightly euphoric sedatives, and those with higher amounts start feeling psychedelic/religious thoughts/feelings.

just a thought.

one thing is for sure, at least, the addition of DMT to beta carbolines can cause quite a show....but the reaction there is still very different amongst people.

[Hammilton]

no, i totally agree jacky I don't doubt that it's possible our natural indole-alkaloids play a big part in it.

I just can't imagine that they're completely without their own effect, being so similar to the tryptamines themselves.

[jacky]

yeah, I think that the beta carbolines are definitely direct agonists too of course, and like you just stated, might make endogenous tryptamines more potent as well...
sort of like a direct agonist/indirect potentiator/reuptake inhibitor.....

I still have not gotten around to experimenting with the beta carbolines much, only a few times with the caapi vine, and those were some very mellow experiences.

the alkaloids in p. harmala are very easily purified using water, salt, and vinegar....after a few steps you get basically 80-90% pure alkaloids with some salt mixed in there.

when I was at an in patient treatment center I used passion flower teas to help me sleep, after 20 days of not having opiates, and not getting good sleep, the passion flower teas were the only thing that helped me sleep well.

[kingdxm]

I have personally tried this combo of chemicals about 2 months ago and I got nothing. I took approximatly 120mg of harmine alkaloids(Peganum harmala), 1000mg of tryptophan, 1000mg methionine, 100mg of B-6(2500% the RDA), 500mcg of B-12 sublingual(8333% of the RDA), and 800mcg of folic acid(200% the RDA) for 40 days strait and nothing, andda zip. Either I didn't take it long enough to build up or it doesn't work.I gonna say it don't work, but I could be wrong. Harmine alkaloids by themselves are pretty potent and I have taken 2 300+mg doses in the past 2 weeks and have found that I require less sleep, I don't figit as much, my craving for cigarretts has dissapeared, and I have more focus and energy days after coming down. This is perhaps the new wave of Ibogaine-like treatment for addiction.

[Hammilton]

Do you have Harmine or Harmaline in a pure form? I'd like to acquire some to play around with very carefully dosed attempts.

I think that I, like most people, are mostly interested in them in small quantities- the sedation, anxiolitic effects, etc.

I dunno how safe they are to take with buprenorphine/naloxone/zopiclone, but I can miss a days worth of doses, I suppose.

Any information would be useful!

[kingdxm]

I purified them from syrian rue seeds, salt, etc. There are places online you can buy pure alkaloids but it is expensive compared to extracting them yourself.