tebernaemontana pachysiphon

[kingdxm]

I have read that this plant has ibogaine, any body know if it is as good as iboga vine?

[jacky]

I bought more than a couple kilos of tabernaemontana pachysiphon leaf....I sent a few kilos to a generous chemist.
he extracted a small amount of alkaloidal material from the leaf. around maybe 3 grams. he said it was a laborous extraction process , and referred to the alkaloids as being long chained indole alkaloids. it took him something like 5 different extractions to get the largest percentage of alkaloids.

he compared the alkaloid content to that of picralima nitida....but FAR less plentiful.
I know that there is some variation of alkaloid content between the two, but they do contain the active pentazocine like alkaloids.

I havnt tried much of the t.pachysiphon alkaloid, but I have consumed up to 60 grams of the powdered leaf with little effect.

picralima nitida acts like a stimulant. a chemist described his experience as a mild Ibogaine like stimulation.

so it wouldnt suprise me if these apocynacea species would be found to contain traces of ibogaine like compounds, or even ibogaine for that matter.

I just havnt seen the data myself...
have you any sources avialable kingdxm?

I think that picralima nitida has some potential, but the raw seed material is HORRIBLE to consume. this one needs to be extracted. either a complicated, or not so complicated PH manipulation extraction, or even a simple lemon juice/water alkaloid resin extract would work. people in africa use picralima nitida as a painkiller, and it contains alkaloids described as partial agonists, similiar to pentazocine. the seed is also used for treating malaria.

someday I will get around to bioassaying the t.pachysipon.
the suppliers warned me that the stuff can be very potent, and that people use it for recreational use as well as medicinal, but I dont know how much a person would need to consume....if 60 grams wasnt enough, how much is a given oral dose? a POUND?...

maybe some chemist will offer up isolated fractions of the alkaloids of either two at some point in time.

one thing I should mention, is that consuming 30 some grams of picralima nitida seeds gave me this strange, hard, itchy lump on my forehead for a few days...and made me somewhat dizzy. that amount of seeds also kept me up till the early morn.
strange stuff.

[kingdxm]

Erowid claims that there is ibogaine in it as well as in voacanga africana. as to how much either one of them have, who knows:confused: