Anybody here prefer C over the stronger opes?

[jinxxx]

I would, if it was consistent and lasted longer (vs. oxyc).

[nick]

No,next question.

[lynzee]

no way..fentanyl all the way. Although fent WD's are 10x worse, they don't last nearly as long.

[tofunun]

um, maybe I didn't run around with the "cool junkies" or something, but I have no idea what "c" is? Unless you are referring to codeine, and if so...is that a serious queston?

[tofunun]

er, sorry, I only saw that this thread was posted under "codeine" AFTER I already posted. I guess you're not an IV drug user, which makes a big difference in your preference of drugs. I have heard some people say they prefer stuff like codeine and darvocet and ultram over the stronger drugs, just the same way I prefer morphine over heroin, I guess. Most opiates are either derived from morphine or codeine, I think...can't remember how it goes, too lazy to google right now. But from what I can remember oc is just oxygen buffered codeine, so I dunno, everyone is different, everyone metabolizes things differently, everyone FEELS things differently, so if you like codeine better than "harder drugs", then kudos to you, I wish I was the same way.

[euphoria2002]

For the first time user, codiene is a good way to go. Not too addictive, good euphoria for one with no tolerance. That being said, once you have any tolerance at all, codeine becomes "not good enough".

Euph

[Ale]

I would, if it was consistent and lasted longer (vs. oxyc).

Well..don't really wanna be an ass here but..If it was consistent and lasted longer...then it wouldn't be called a weak opiate.It would just be somehting else ..If we just pretend things are something else then anything could definitely be better than anything.I wonder If I'm wrong..:confused:

[euphoria2002]

Well..don't really wanna be an ass here but..If it was consistent and lasted longer...then it wouldn't be called a weak opiate.It would just be somehting else ..If we just pretend things are something else then anything could definitely be better than anything.I wonder If I'm wrong..:confused:

Dude, can you write that again so we can understand what you just said?
Wait, aw shit...... you're from europe, now it makes sense. Sorry!!!!

Euph

Hey, just a guess, but R U from Denmark or Sweden maybe?

[Ale]

Dude, can you write that again so we can understand what you just said?
Wait, aw shit...... you're from europe, now it makes sense. Sorry!!!!

Euph

What I said is : it doesn't really make much sense to ask "what if this drug lasted longer and was more powerful ..would u enjoy it?"so I was all like..ehm..what are u supposed to answer to a question like this?Don't wanna be an ass -as I said b4- but it's much of an absurd question.That's it.Oh..btw..was I so ununderstandable?And If so ..why?Any input will be appreciated:p

[Cureforpain]

Wow, i thought we were talking about cocaine the whole time. never heard of codiene refered to as "c"

[Rhonda]

If you can call heroin H, you can call codiene C right.......why not?

[Diacetyl]

Definitely not, codeine is weak as shit for me. But it is OTC here so I use it often when I have nothing else around.

[clinton]

its nice if you have nothing else...pop about 200 mg of broken perduratas can do it for you if you can handle some of the nausea that comes with it...
also be careful with it, you cant shoot it------- it can also be one of the more violent opiate related deaths if you o.d. on it...shaking,seizures etc....

[Woowoo]

Are you trying to win the 'stupidest question of the month' contest or something?

And by the way, the only drug known as "C" is cocaine. Codeine sucks so bad it doesn't even deserve a nickname.

[insaneike]

I would rather NOT have any codeine... I got literally hundreds of those things in my fridge with all the lortabs(if my girl aint damn near finished em off yet lmao) that WONT even ease my WDs... and my toelr isn't that high either lol. and at doses it'd take to motabalize into enough morph to actually work the codeine has a ceiling effect at like 350-450mg. So that shit is worthless to most opiophilers i'm sure...

if you can get any noticable effects well, you lucky bitch! haha, j/k man, some ppl like it i read, just i think the avg person isn't gonna get much other than cough suppression from it.

I dunno but i would rather have freakin lortab/hydro over codeine lol. i can't believe you even mentioned oxy in the same sentence in codeine when it comes to effects!!!

[nick]

Are you trying to win the 'stupidest question of the month' contest or something?

And by the way, the only drug known as "C" is cocaine. Codeine sucks so bad it doesn't even deserve a nickname.

Codeine does have a nickname......CRAP.

That is until your really sick.

[lstar7]

Well, I read everyone's comments. I have to take codeine for pain relief at this time. It is all I get, next to trams from my doctor. While I would most definately prefer dilaudid for the high, I dont think that "D" is a very good painkiller(everyone's chemistry is different). I would like 'dones for pain, but cant get them yet, so codeine it is, and it helps me a lot, tho I take a fair amount of them. I have really learned to appreciate the slight buzz I get from them as well. I dont nod, and feel quite warm, which works well with my work schedule... I think codeine is a great thing, having been a pain person for many years and under treated for it.

Codeine is good for pain my friends, if its all you have...

[lstar7]

Are you trying to win the 'stupidest question of the month' contest or something?

And by the way, the only drug known as "C" is cocaine. Codeine sucks so bad it doesn't even deserve a nickname.

There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers:D

[nick]

There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers:D

Wrong,I hear totally dumb questions ALL the time.

Nice philosophy,but this is the real world man.

Sorry,man I'm having ANOTHER bad day-I know that's no excuse,but.........what can you do?

[Diacetyl]

Wrong,I hear totally dumb questions ALL the time.

Nice philosophy,but this is the real world man.

Sorry,man I'm having ANOTHER bad day-I know that's no excuse,but.........what can you do?

Me too, no dope, only coke, i feel like shit! :mad: :mad:

I want to rip my fucking hair out right now

my skin is crawling and my joints feel like theyve been beaten to liquid with a sledgehammer

ugh

bad days get too me a little too much, fuck

[lstar7]

Wrong,I hear totally dumb questions ALL the time.

Nice philosophy,but this is the real world man.

Sorry,man I'm having ANOTHER bad day-I know that's no excuse,but.........what can you do?
Chill Nick.. nice philosophies generally make a more peaceful person.
Hope today is going better for you.

[bronyraur]

Codeine does have a nickname......CRAP.

That is until your really sick.

exactly. If codeine was such a great drug you wouldn't be able to order it online.

[CUBErt]

Reading the first page of this thread gave me a headache.

Anything beyond Nick's first answer is unnecessary

[roxi*stardust]

It doesn't even work very well as a cough suppressant, IMO. It sucks, good for w/d and that's it. Seems like everytime I go to the dentist I get an RX for 20 tabs and I have like 3 now that I never got filled, saving them for a rainy day.

[Sitar]

Codeine is good for what withdrawal? Codeine withdrawal? Darvocet withdrawal? Baby Aspirin withdrawal?

I know from experience it doesn't so shit for morphine withdrawal. All the codeine in the world couldn't even slightly ease a good withdrawal from morphine whatsoever. It's totally useless stuff unless you're 15 and have never tried opiates yet.

[doctor diesel]

My first opie experiences were with 'C', and it was utterly blissful.
It continued to work for me for a number of years too, although now I get no buzz from it cos I'm a hardened old bastard.
But it's still a VERY effective painkiller for me.


Doc

[roxi*stardust]

Codeine is good for what withdrawal? Codeine withdrawal? Darvocet withdrawal? Baby Aspirin withdrawal?

I know from experience it doesn't so shit for morphine withdrawal. All the codeine in the world couldn't even slightly ease a good withdrawal from morphine whatsoever. It's totally useless stuff unless you're 15 and have never tried opiates yet.
This coming from someone who likes Ultram? Yes codeine can ease w/d, yes you have to take alot but it does work.

[Greendaze]

I can recall back in the glory days of getting high from 2 hydrocodones that propoxyphene (sp?) (Darvocet) was my absolute favorite opiate. :rolleyes:

I remember that it would last FOREVER, and add a more sleepy feeling than other weak opiates. If I were to have no tolerance again, then I'd certainly be on the lookout for some darvs.

Codeine on the other hand pretty much always sucked. I never liked it....

[Sitar]

This coming from someone who likes Ultram? Yes codeine can ease w/d, yes you have to take alot but it does work.

Yes, Tramadol can be felt on top of the biggest habits, at least for me, whereas codeine can't do dick to accentuate the buzz or help with WD.

And from what I've seen, it's actually impossible for codeine to relieve strong withdrawal because only something like 10% is converted to morphine and more than 400 mgs. is a waste. So that means you can only take in at most 40 mgs. of morphine, which won't even remotely touch strong withdrawal.

If you are addicted to LESS than 40 mgs. morphine equivalent, then yes, codeine will help you.

[nick]

Yes, Tramadol can be felt on top of the biggest habits, at least for me, whereas codeine can't do dick to accentuate the buzz or help with WD.

And from what I've seen, it's actually impossible for codeine to relieve strong withdrawal because only something like 10% is converted to morphine and more than 400 mgs. is a waste. So that means you can only take in at most 40 mgs. of morphine, which won't even remotely touch strong withdrawal.

If you are addicted to LESS than 40 mgs. morphine equivalent, then yes, codeine will help you.


Wrong bro.


When you're real sick codeine works.

choosing between Tramadol and codeine ain't no choice......it's a no brainer.

Putting your opinions down to your kick.

[l4l5]

codeine eases my wd from oxy 60mg, I take 80mg of codeine it keeps w/d away and i get to sleep
so its alrite, if ur really tired and have codeine u will feel a little buzz

[smojo]

Are you trying to win the 'stupidest question of the month' contest or something?

And by the way, the only drug known as "C" is cocaine. Codeine sucks so bad it doesn't even deserve a nickname.

HaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...too funny

[tptptp]

What I said is : it doesn't really make much sense to ask "what if this drug lasted longer and was more powerful ..would u enjoy it?"so I was all like..ehm..what are u supposed to answer to a question like this?Don't wanna be an ass -as I said b4- but it's much of an absurd question.That's it.Oh..btw..was I so ununderstandable?And If so ..why?Any input will be appreciated:p

Made perfect sense to me I dont know why euphoria didnt understand it...

[Opilover]

I took 3 T3's with 1 vic 7.5 and it seemed to give it a real nice boost and seemed to make it last longer..I have a pretty high tolerance to hydro's so i was suprized with the buzz...

[Sitar]

Um, I've been really sick and codeine didn't do shit. Yeah, I know, Tramadol is horrible stuff for everyone but me, but the stuff does far more than codeine could dream of doing in WD.

If you're dependent on 2 vicodin a day, then it'll probably help. Otherwise, a real habit won't be touched by codeine.

And that's the word.

[smojo]

And that's the word.

Here that.
That is the word.
PERIOD.

[Ale]

exactly. If codeine was such a great drug you wouldn't be able to order it online.
I would rather say if it was a strong drug you couldn't just get it OTC!Just like they do in the Uk and Canada I guess..

[Tmac5150]

It doesn't even work very well as a cough suppressant, IMO. It sucks, good for w/d and that's it. Seems like everytime I go to the dentist I get an RX for 20 tabs and I have like 3 now that I never got filled, saving them for a rainy day.


Rooxi, don't wait too long to fill those scripts. Here, after 6 months, they're no good...I'm sure you know this if it applies to you, Just a reminder...

[tptptp]

Yes, Tramadol can be felt on top of the biggest habits, at least for me, whereas codeine can't do dick to accentuate the buzz or help with WD.

And from what I've seen, it's actually impossible for codeine to relieve strong withdrawal because only something like 10% is converted to morphine and more than 400 mgs. is a waste. So that means you can only take in at most 40 mgs. of morphine, which won't even remotely touch strong withdrawal.

If you are addicted to LESS than 40 mgs. morphine equivalent, then yes, codeine will help you.

I too can feel codeine. If your habit IS LESS than 40mg morphine than 400mg codeine is the equivalent, if not more, so that would equal it out at least, even if it doesnt feel euphoric. if you're addicted to 50mg morphine the equivalent of 40 wont help? of course it will. Doesnt make sense.

[Sitar]

You're right, but what I'm talking about is having a habit of like 120 to 400 mgs. morphine (which I've had). Codeine will do absolutely nothing for a habit like that; not even take a little bit of the edge off. It will do nothing. Then again, few things will help at that point other than more morphine, H, a huge Oxy dose, or something like that.

That's why I think it's laughable that Heroin-Helper (great site, btw) has a whole section on how to taper off heroin using codeine. It's a nice little idea, but it won't work for 99% of people.

There's a reason they don't give people codeine for detox off other drugs. It won't work.

It's fucking sad that a majority of the morphine in this world is wasted by turning it into useless shit codeine for the pharm industry. That is just pathetic. What a waste of morphine.

[Inspektahdek]

um, maybe I didn't run around with the "cool junkies" or something, but I have no idea what "c" is? Unless you are referring to codeine, and if so...is that a serious queston?


HAHA, that's awesome tofunnun, I would probably slap the person that tried to offer me codeine as "C" (no offense to the poster of this thread) but thats fucking hilarious.

I never never have preferred it to other opiates but with a little tolerance or none at all, I've had pure codeine tabs that were extremely SMALL AND WHITE and were codeine sulphate tabs and I think most combos of codeine (codeine is lower on the scheduled meds I,II,III,IV, codeine being 4 I think and by itself it moves to schedule III or II and illegal drugs being I) contain codeine phosphate and not sulphate.


Anyhow when I had a 40mg or so hydro tolerance way way back I got this script because they ran out of the syrup combo'd codeines so I received the pure sulphate ones and downed all 20 down the hatch with lots of anti itching meds and mechanisms and it was extremely euphoric and felt very similar to pure morphine which it converts to but way cleaner and more impressive then when I had T3s etc. in the past.

[80oranges]

Codeine, for me doesnt do shit. During oxy w/d i took 4 T3'S whatever that is, and it didn't make me feel better in the least bit. Hey, if you could get away with taking codeine you should really stick with that; but for me its kind of a waste of money.

[_L_S_V_]

i completely disagree with those people claiming codeine does nothing for wd's. when i was in full swing my oxy habit was 160-200mg/day up the nose. when i kicked the habit i used around 240mg codeine via extraction(syringe extraction to minimize caffeine, as caffeine is not good during wd's) daily for like 4-5 days then stopped using codeine as well. i can say that codeine practically completely made the wd's symptoms disappear, and i was even able to sleep. i still felt some minor aches in my shins, general tiredness feeling, some anxiety, and sleep could of been somewhat better... but it still helped out quite a bit. codeine plus marijuana plus maybe something like trazadone can do wonders. so please don't act like your word is the final word and written in stone or something, different people react differently to things. sure as hell better than getting hopped up on methadone, which is an even bigger gorilla to get off the back.

[Sitar]

Well, yippee for you. It doesn't do shit for morphine withdrawal.

[nick]

Well, yippee for you. It doesn't do shit for morphine withdrawal.


Man,I dislike codeine as much as the next junky,but no matter how big your habit,if you're sick enough it WILL help.

[Sitar]

It's possible that it can marginally help for some people, but for me, unfortunately it did nothing. Darvocet has helped more in withdrawal than Codeine.

[Majortom]

Dude, can you write that again so we can understand what you just said?
Wait, aw shit...... you're from europe, now it makes sense. Sorry!!!!

Euph

Hey, just a guess, but R U from Denmark or Sweden maybe?

Dudes, I lived in all around Europe and I can't understand as well.. Codein is 70's thing and haven't met anyone prefer codein over any opiate really; unless you are broke , I mean really broke...:D

Nevertheless respect man..:cool:

[Majortom]

codeine eases my wd from oxy 60mg, I take 80mg of codeine it keeps w/d away and i get to sleep
so its alrite, if ur really tired and have codeine u will feel a little buzz

To get a some sort of buzz out of codeine you probably have had not much opiate tolerance or you need a good loaded dosage of them unless you fix then the buzz is there... would help in some stage of the w/d but not much plus codeine is a real brain fucker in other words I m sorry but useless...
Well before they launched methadone and other staff like subotex DF118 were used 5mg tablets then they found out that it had bad effects to the brain in long term as ell as some short term shit..

So wouldn't suggest to anyone .. if only you have nothing to keep you going and you want to ease w/d to a stage maybe but personally I d even prefer Atrophine its much cheaper, not prescriptıoned and better and doesn't have side effects like codeine except problems to go out toilet. Cause they are diarrhea pills.

[kidding]

Well before they launched methadone and other staff like subotex DF118 were used 5mg tablets then they found out that it had bad effects to the brain in long term as ell as some short term shit..



...What?

[Majortom]

...What?
I know tits a bed structure of my sentence but I meant Codeine like DF118 were used ages ago to help ease the w/d symptom's and has been out of the market for its harmed effects. well before meth and subotex came into the market.
And the reason they were prohibited that Dihydrocodeine tablets had harmful effects on human brain in long terms.

This is really I meant to say for whom came up with this thread. So there is a flaw in reasoning in the sentence. ıts my fault..sorry.

[Majortom]

...What?


There was supposed to be full stop after subotex.

[_L_S_V_]

You're right, but what I'm talking about is having a habit of like 120 to 400 mgs. morphine (which I've had). Codeine will do absolutely nothing for a habit like that; not even take a little bit of the edge off. It will do nothing. Then again, few things will help at that point other than more morphine, H, a huge Oxy dose, or something like that.

That's why I think it's laughable that Heroin-Helper (great site, btw) has a whole section on how to taper off heroin using codeine. It's a nice little idea, but it won't work for 99% of people.

There's a reason they don't give people codeine for detox off other drugs. It won't work.

It's fucking sad that a majority of the morphine in this world is wasted by turning it into useless shit codeine for the pharm industry. That is just pathetic. What a waste of morphine.

i think you're wrong bra. my tolerance is around 150-200mg of morphine IV, same amount oxy IV, and dilaudid i can pound back 50mg IV over the course of a day. and still even with that tolerance and IV use 240mg of codeine still takes away the wd's for me, but everyones body is different i guess. one key thing is to use the proper extraction method to minimize caffeine in the final product. the best one i've found is the syringe extraction that was found on heroin helper, very minimal caffeine and i feel pretty decent after pounding one of those puppies back. i've used codeine to come off the harder shit several times now and i've never ever suffered like i've seen some people suffer..

[_L_S_V_]

lol i just realized this is my second time posting in this thread praising codeine for helping me during wd's. lol back then i was only snorting oxy, i guess i've graduated, where's my diploma. :D

[Ale]

Dudes, I lived in all around Europe and I can't understand as well.. Codein is 70's thing and haven't met anyone prefer codein over any opiate really; unless you are broke , I mean really broke...:D

Nevertheless respect man..:cool:

I guess you got it wrong man.He was talkin about what I typed..which for some reason he found ununderstanbale..which is pretty Weird since everyone else got it.
Peace.

[OCfenatiq]

It's possible that it can marginally help for some people, but for me, unfortunately it did nothing. Darvocet has helped more in withdrawal than Codeine.
I've said this before but I know I've read that certain genetic backgrounds or whatever (certain races I guess) can't get anything out of codeine b/c they lack something in their body that turns codeine to morphine in the brain I think... I've taken very large doses of codeine and got nothing at all from it. As far as darvocet, it is made from methadone though very much weaker but it has helped me in the past, though it takes a heafty dose...

[Tortoise]

My friend is an avid abuser of codeine and he enjoys it very, very much. For those of you out there who are dissing recreational codeine use he would just like to point out that...

a) He has low tolerance and can therefore get quite high off codeine
b) He has no means to obtain stronger opiates apart from poppyseed tea, so he makes do with what he's got.
c) He believes that he is a very good codeine->morphine converter and according to research, somebody like him is able to convert 120mg of codeine into 10mg of morphine. If he takes 420mg of codeine, that's the equivalent of 35mg of mophine. What the hell is wrong with 35mg of morphine?
d) He can pick up enough codeine to keep him happy for the equivalent of $5US from virtually any pharmacy, anywhere, anytime over-the-counter. I'm sure there are a lot of more "hard-core" opiophiles who would love such easy access to their drug of choice!

At the end of the day, whatever you do should be done because you enjoy it, and he sure enjoys his codeine.

Stay safe folks.

[LorTabitha]

Your friend must not live in the US!? Canada maybe? :-)

[Seedy]

New Zealand?

[pharmboy]

Once when I was in the hospital after a surgery I got shot up ( IM )

with codeine in the leg. All and all it was VERY very very Nice.

But alas my tolerance was sooo much lower then.

[resorcinol]

When I had no tolerance, codeine was fantastic. It has great oral bioavaliability too, so it came on FAST 15 mins after swallowing the pills. One minute I'd be feeling nothing, the next minute I'd be blissfully numb and euphoric... again, this is with no tolerance.

Hydrocodone felt more synthetic but similar and stronger. It didn't last as long as codeine though, IMO.

[upstate_007]

I've said this before but I know I've read that certain genetic backgrounds or whatever (certain races I guess) can't get anything out of codeine b/c they lack something in their body that turns codeine to morphine in the brain I think... I've taken very large doses of codeine and got nothing at all from it. As far as darvocet, it is made from methadone though very much weaker but it has helped me in the past, though it takes a heafty dose...

Must be a biological thing. I can get some sort of pleasure from Codeine even in relatively low doses. Darvocet though gives me no feeling no matter how much I take.

As for IV'ing codeine.... Isn't that very very dangerous? Like life threatening king of dangerous because of pulmonary edema?

[Ale]

Your friend must not live in the US!? Canada maybe? :-)

I say Australia:rolleyes:

[Ickyuck]

Are you trying to win the 'stupidest question of the month' contest or something?

And by the way, the only drug known as "C" is cocaine. Codeine sucks so bad it doesn't even deserve a nickname.

What is with the drug bashing on this board? Different people, different bodies, its an old saying, but its true: what gets one person high may not get the next guy high. Sometimes it seems as though that the people who mock weaker drugs are only doing it to sound cool. Like "dude my tolerance is so high brah" or "I only do schedule II/I" etc etc. :cool::rolleyes:

Anyway, as I just posted in another thread, personally my body reacts very well with codeine and diacetylmorphine. And when you think about it... if you don't have any opiates at all, you'd be glad to get your hands on anything at all.

Soo, Woo Woo, I believe there is no "Stupidest question of the month". And, at least for me, codeine doesn't suck.

[Tortoise]

I say Australia:rolleyes:

Correctamundo!

[zelno]

new zealand is the same though, 72tabs nurofen is about $15 us- thats about 900 mg of codeine after extraction- over the counter.
I have been a happy codeine camper for 7 years, after tolerance build up, i still visit the codeine womb on a twice daily basis with about 300mg of the stuff.Interspersed with 300mg of tramol and i am happy as.Dose hasnt moved signifigantly for 4 years.

Still, the mecca for codeine phosphate has to be cambodia, 1,000 tabs (30 mg) for $90 us, over the counter!!.If you have the desire to convert to morphine, that still must work out great value for money.Pick up some smokes on the way out, 1 carton of marlboro for $6.Then do a quick side trip to thailand and grab -over the counter_1,000 tramol (50mg) for $120 us.Who said asia has had its day!!

[DCBA]

Where i live i can get codeine (prescription only but pharmacies sell it with no questions asked..) for like 600mgs for 2.5€ and 1000mg tramadol for 3.6€.
It's cheap.

Allthought it has to do with tolerance, i do enjoy a late codeine night when i got a low tolerance, the sedation/speed that codeine has is a lot different. For me nowadays does little but a small sedation.

[Ale]

Where i live i can get codeine (prescription only but pharmacies sell it with no questions asked..) for like 600mgs for 2.5€ and 1000mg tramadol for 3.6€.
It's cheap.

Allthought it has to do with tolerance, i do enjoy a late codeine night when i got a low tolerance, the sedation/speed that codeine has is a lot different. For me nowadays does little but a small sedation.

What do you mean pharmacies will sell it with no question asked? They won't ask you to show them your script or....they will,but won't get into messing about your ID and won't ask you to sign a log like they do in the US?Oh..and what about the Tram..is that available on prescription only as well or what?

[DCBA]

What do you mean pharmacies will sell it with no question asked? They won't ask you to show them your script or....they will,but won't get into messing about your ID and won't ask you to sign a log like they do in the US?Oh..and what about the Tram..is that available on prescription only as well or what?

Sometimes they ask if you will bring a script for the codeine but if that happens all you have to do is say "ok, i will" and they give you.
As for tramadol, its prescription only also, it is harder to get than codeine but still most pharmacies will sell you without a script.

No ID asked.


Spain is better even, on top of that you get DXM caps, and DHC also.

[alissanurse]

ah tyl 2-3's suck