Add lemon juice to black tar?

[Sgt_Rock]

I was just reading in another thread (the thread tittled "insulin syringe too small") someone was saying that when they used to do/shoot black tar heroin (they called it black tar #3?) they always used to use lemon juice to disolve it in and if they didnt use lemon juice it wouldent work because the heroin is only soluble in an acidic solution.
I use black tar and was wondering if a tiny pinch of a crushed vitamin C tablet added to the water would work o.k.?

[paesan]

Heroin #3 is Heroin base whereas Heroin #4 is heroin hydrochloride (in a salt form). You can smoke things in their base form but unless it is turned into a salt with an acid it will not be readily absorbed into your body. I think that Vit C (Ascorbic Acid) would work but I'm not sure. I know that both lemon juice and vinegar work so if I were you I would try one of those.

[rebo]

Vit c does not work as well as lemon juice ,it,s only about half as acidic and vit c makes you detox ,so stay away from vit c.
Lemon juice (fresh) is the go!!!

[rachamim18]

First, to clarify a couple of things. #4 is a white powder, aws close to licit heroin as you will ever get [in its unadulterated form anyway]. Due to lack of carbon during the synthesis, it can be any clor, as in "Mexican Mud" which is dark to light brown.

#3 is not base but is a finsihed form of heroin, with speical additives to make it smokable [caffeine, strychnine, quinine, barbitone, and so forth]. Its usual color is braown, as in "Brown Sugar" but can be grey or even red.

Heroin base IS ofen sold in the EU, especially the UK. Its appearance is almost identical to #3 so it is treated by users in mucht he same way.


What of the lemon juice? Heroin base needs an acid to break it down for human consumption. It is related to the pH. It CAN be insufflated [sniffed] without this breakdown however because your nasal secretions will adjust the pH as the heroin base psses into the arteries in your nostril. If you want to inject it thougyh, you will need to break it down. this should NOT EVER be done with lemon or lime juice becauseof the potential of infection. You can buy citric acid in powder form and in fact in England and Holland at least, it is available free at harm reduction sites.


"Tar" is in a class by itself. It is none of the numbered heroins. It is simply acetylated opium, ergo the platex consistency and appearance. You do not need to use any acid on it, and should not. All you need to do is use enough water and heat, and patience to break it down into liquid. If you really have a time with it, use the plunger from your syringe to muck it about. It WILL break down after awhile. You can also smoke it without any additives, which makes it unique as well.

I would never recommend that anyone ever do "Tar" becuase of tis foul synthesis process but have no doubt that if I were to be in a place where NOLY tar existed that I would be the first on line so...

[paesan]

I see... Good to know.

Unfortunately tar is the only shit readily available TX and that shit is nasty so I try to stay away. Wish I could get some good powder here. I can get some sent to me from overseas but that is kinda sketchy, so I do not do that often.

[rachamim18]

Good choice but you could always buy that "Tar," purify it and/or turn it into a powder as well if you wanted. Do not let it keep you from what you want.

[SomniGod]

snortin monkey water or makin powder out of tar using nytol never got me off like strappin on my running shoes and chasing that bastard dragon around the block a few times. Also, aside from hackin up a lil lung cheese, much more sterile... much less chance of infection.

~S~

[paesan]

snortin monkey water or makin powder out of tar using nytol never got me off like strappin on my running shoes and chasing that bastard dragon around the block a few times. Also, aside from hackin up a lil lung cheese, much more sterile... much less chance of infection.

~S~

Yep that's what I've done, the water and powder I've made didn't do nearly as much as smoking... I'm sure IV'ing is best but I'm trying hard to avoid that route...

[rebo]

Would someone please tell me why so many people say lemon juice is bad to use as an acid ,we used to use it for years and never had any trouble ,apart from that ,nothing seems to work as well.

[HeidiW]

This is SICK, but Long John Silver's Malt Vinegar Sauce has always worked best for me when breaking down black tar. It also breaks down crack.

[jacky]

so if tar herion is acetylated opium, I suppose it is opium that is boiled then strained and then acetylated? I would like to see a HPLC of street sourced tar herion.
what about all the other alkaloids like thebaine and codeine and the antagonist opiates? do those make it into the final product, or does acetylation affect some other opiates besides morphine and create the correlatiing by products? obviously I am not a chemist.........

I used to like tar heroin, and had no idea that it was such a complicated product, I thought the opium was boiled, and a morphine base precipitated and that very few other alkaloids made it into the mixture that was finally acetylated. After the product is acetylated I assume that the strychnine and caffeine is mixed in as well as lactose sugar or mannitol, or whatever the hell the different cuts might contain? maybe a little brown sugar, or boot polish once the heroin makes it to the low end dealers.........makes me think twice about shooting that mix again.

thanks for the info....

[kramorph]

This black tar you are all talking about sounds to me like the result of adding acetic anhydride to morphine and then igniting it, as descibed by another wise sole. I havent yet tried that method as I havent had AA and morphine in the same place at the same time,( but hopefully soon). But the old chasing the dragon, fucken loved it. But always also had to have a shot too. When I was in UK for hols etc., scored brown alkaline "smoking smack" all the time, and I reckon lemon juice works best(better than straight citric acid,apparently lemons and/or juice can sustain the growth of a mould that can apparently send ya blind). I mostly used commercially available lemon juice available in a plastic lemon, it had a preservative(I think?). I dont recommend using what I saw two young ladies once use though.They had a lemon they kept in the fridge an it was very old and moldy. Anyway only stuff available here is white to tan water sol powder.

[rachamim18]

"Why is lemon juice bad to use as a catylst?" Because fruit carries many bacteria that might not effect you when handled, WILL effect you adversely when injected. Use the pharmaceuticallypurepowdered acid instead. It is otc and often available free in many areas at harm reduction sites.


Jacky: You do not need to boil opium. In fact, you should never boil it. When processing it you just heat it to the point of total dissloution. Boiling, espeically long term will adversely effect the target alkaloids. Processing is only done when I] the opium is being used for smoking...or...II]the opium needs to be transported to a processing [for heroin] site. The dissolution and reconstitution makes it 20% lighter, and 20% purer.


As for thebaine, etc...most is lost during acetylation but tar is a nasty substance that has trce elements and much more[bad stuff].


Tar NEVER has caffeine and stryhnine. Caffeine is added to #3 heroin in order to make a skmokableproduct. Heroin has a high m.p., around 243.5 C. When youapply heat to itthough it begins to degrade long before that m.p. If you addup to 40% caffeine though, youlower it to around 100 C.so the degradation is almost removed from the quiotent.


Asfor the adulterant like mannitol andlactose...that is or is not added by the dealers along the chain. It is easy to add it to tar, justliquify it and add the adulterants in solution, thoroughlymix, recostitute, and voila...less pure tar.

[rebo]

Rachamim ,I'll take your word for it ,but lemon juice still worked best ,I tried the concentrate and the powder ,freshly squeezed lemon juice still tops them!!!!!Maybe you could send me a pm ,I have some more questions to ask you ,you seem to have some knowledge I would like to have!!

[JunkYardSaint]

The safer injecting protocol suggests that you add the smallest amount possible of citric acid or ascorbic acid (vitamin C) powder. The recommendation is to NOT use lemon juice or vinegar because they can cause fungal infections, these can travel through your bloodstream and end up in your eyes which could of course result in the loss of your sight. So don't use lemon juice. You'll put your eyes out!!! ;)

well i accidently double posted, but don't see how to delete that extra post.....any advice?
is it possible that we can't delete mistakes likes this? oh no tell me it's not so.......

[JunkYardSaint]

Safer injecting protocol suggests adding the smallest amount possible of citric acid or ascorbic acid (vitamin C) powder. The recommendation is to NOT use lemon juice or vinegar because they can cause fungal infections. These can result in fungal infections that travel through the bloodstream ending up in your eyes which have been known to result in loss of sight. So don't use lemon juice, you'll put your eyes out!!! ;)

[Sgt_Rock]

"Why is lemon juice bad to use as a catylst?" Because fruit carries many bacteria that might not effect you when handled, WILL effect you adversely when injected. Use the pharmaceuticallypurepowdered acid instead. It is otc and often available free in many areas at harm reduction sites.


Jacky: You do not need to boil opium. In fact, you should never boil it. When processing it you just heat it to the point of total dissloution. Boiling, espeically long term will adversely effect the target alkaloids. Processing is only done when I] the opium is being used for smoking...or...II]the opium needs to be transported to a processing [for heroin] site. The dissolution and reconstitution makes it 20% lighter, and 20% purer.


As for thebaine, etc...most is lost during acetylation but tar is a nasty substance that has trce elements and much more[bad stuff].


Tar NEVER has caffeine and stryhnine. Caffeine is added to #3 heroin in order to make a skmokableproduct. Heroin has a high m.p., around 243.5 C. When youapply heat to itthough it begins to degrade long before that m.p. If you addup to 40% caffeine though, youlower it to around 100 C.so the degradation is almost removed from the quiotent.


Asfor the adulterant like mannitol andlactose...that is or is not added by the dealers along the chain. It is easy to add it to tar, justliquify it and add the adulterants in solution, thoroughlymix, recostitute, and voila...less pure tar.

If heat degrades heroin why does everyone heat/boil it in the spoon?

[Sgt_Rock]

First, to clarify a couple of things. #4 is a white powder, aws close to licit heroin as you will ever get [in its unadulterated form anyway]. Due to lack of carbon during the synthesis, it can be any clor, as in "Mexican Mud" which is dark to light brown.

#3 is not base but is a finsihed form of heroin, with speical additives to make it smokable [caffeine, strychnine, quinine, barbitone, and so forth]. Its usual color is braown, as in "Brown Sugar" but can be grey or even red.

Heroin base IS ofen sold in the EU, especially the UK. Its appearance is almost identical to #3 so it is treated by users in mucht he same way.


What of the lemon juice? Heroin base needs an acid to break it down for human consumption. It is related to the pH. It CAN be insufflated [sniffed] without this breakdown however because your nasal secretions will adjust the pH as the heroin base psses into the arteries in your nostril. If you want to inject it thougyh, you will need to break it down. this should NOT EVER be done with lemon or lime juice becauseof the potential of infection. You can buy citric acid in powder form and in fact in England and Holland at least, it is available free at harm reduction sites.


"Tar" is in a class by itself. It is none of the numbered heroins. It is simply acetylated opium, ergo the platex consistency and appearance. You do not need to use any acid on it, and should not. All you need to do is use enough water and heat, and patience to break it down into liquid. If you really have a time with it, use the plunger from your syringe to muck it about. It WILL break down after awhile. You can also smoke it without any additives, which makes it unique as well.

I would never recommend that anyone ever do "Tar" becuase of tis foul synthesis process but have no doubt that if I were to be in a place where NOLY tar existed that I would be the first on line so...

The black tar i get must be the hydrocloride (salt) and not heroin base because everyone i know gets high on it and none of them add any lemon juice,vit C,ect. So i guess i shouldent either,right?
P.S. When "muscling it" is a more concentrated shot (less water,dark brown) more effective or a bigger shot of more dilute (more water,dark amber) better?

[rachamim18]

O.K., it is not heat per se that degrades opiums alkaloids [or the target alkaloids anyway] but boiling. Alot of people think that acetylation requires boiling the morphine [etc] in glacial acetic acid. It should NEVER be boiled...not to mention that although the early researchers [including the man who discovered diacetlymorphine] used to biol acetic anhydride like it's going out of style, doing so can level your entire block.


As for what "Tar" is or isn't...There is an accepted numbering system for grades of heroin. #1 is merely morhine in various stages of processing. #2 is heroin base. #3 is smokable heroin that has been treated with various adulterants to make it so, and #4 is injection ready heroin [illicit of course]. Tar is in none of those classes. When that system was devised by the International Community "Tar" did not yet exist.

It is not heroin base so it isnot #2. Neither do you need a catylyst a la #2, nor have any potentiating or induicing adulterants al al #3 been added. Technically then, it is #4 BUT it CAN be smoked without any workup since it retains its latex consistency. Ergo, it is in a class of its own...and I do not want to repeat how foul it really is.


Rebo, although you might find the juice better, it is still not healthy practice. You will run the risk of serious infection. The thing is, juice of course is a liquid. Therefore it probably seems as if your heroin is liquifying much more easily then with afore mentioned powdered acids. As for the p.m., I will.


JunkyardSaint is correct.

[rebo]

Thanks Rach ,hope to here from you soon!!

[SomniGod]

This is SICK, but Long John Silver's Malt Vinegar Sauce has always worked best for me when breaking down black tar. It also breaks down crack.


Is banging crack a different high than banging coke? I tried it once with vinegar (banging crack) and had lil to no effect... maybe what that street whore gave me was boo-boo....?


~S~

[rachamim18]

Well, first you have to understand that crack is simply cocaine freebase...not a new or different substance. Cocaine is converted back to freebase ["back" because freebase is an intermediate form of the substance, hcl., or powder, is the final product] easily enough....and one can also convert freebase into hcl...CDocaine injected is coaine injected. The thing is, with crack, you need to properly convert it to a soluble material in order to inject it. You might not have converted it thoroughly enough...or, as you stated, it might have just been garbage. Your best bet is to obtain cocaine already in hcl. form and then purify it yourself.