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kyuss
04-12-2007, 11:07 PM
Rest In Peace Kurt.


How nice--to feel nothing, and still get full credit for being alive.
Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

dirtdog
04-12-2007, 11:47 PM
damn
he was old huh?
was gonna ask how did he die but just saw the year 1922....damn
Can you imagine
watching the world change in 85 years
he lived through the ban of alcohol
and WWI
and WWII
as well as the Great Depression
watched man land on the moon
saw scientists clone a sheep
and near cure for cancer....
insane
and now we have to live through the global warming...
fuck

candyshop
04-12-2007, 11:59 PM
awww-i loved that old dude

maybe he has only become" unstuck in time"

...and so it goes...

Woowoo
04-13-2007, 12:13 AM
Long Walk to Forever

They had grown up next door to each other, on the fringe of a city, near fields and woods and orchards, within sight of a lovely bell tower that belonged to a school for the blind.

Now they were twenty, had not seen each other for nearly a year. There had always been playful, comfortable warmth between them, but never any talk of love.

His name was Newt. Her name was Catharine. In the early afternoon, Newt knocked on Catharine's front door.

Catharine came to the door. She was carrying a fat, glossy magazine she had been reading. The magazine was devoted entirely to brides. "Newt!" she said. She was surprised to see him.

"Could you come for a walk? " he said. He was a shy person, even with Catharine. He covered his shyness by speaking absently, as though he were a secret agent pausing briefly on a mission between beautiful, distant, and sinister points. This manner of speaking had always been Newt's style, even in matters that concerned him desperately.

"A walk? " said Catharine.

"One foot in front of the other, "said Newt, "Through leaves, over bridges--"

"I had no idea you were in town," she said.

"Just this minute got in," he said.

"Still in the Army, I see," she said.

"Seven more months to go," he said. He was a private first class in the Artillery. His uniform was rumpled. His shoes were dusty. He needed a shave. He held out his hand for the magazine. "Let's see the pretty book," he said.

She gave it to him. "I'm getting married, Newt," she said.

"I know, " he said. "Let's go for a walk. "

"I'm awfully busy, Newt," she said. "The wedding is only a week away. "

"If we go for a walk, " he said, "it will make you rosy. It will make you a rosy bride." he turned the pages of the magazine. "A rosy bride like her--like her--like her, " he said, showing her rosy brides.

Catharine turned rosy, thinking about rosy brides.

"That will be my person to Henry Stewart Chasens, " said Newt. "By talking you for a walk, I'll be giving him a rosy bride. "

"You know his name? " said Catharine.

"Mother wrote," he said. "Form Pittsburgh? "

"Yes," she said. "You'd like him. "

"Maybe, " he said.

"Can--can you come to the wedding, Newt? " she said.

"That I doubt." he said.

"Your furlough isn't for long enough? "she said.

"Furlough? " said Newt. He was studying a twopage ad for flat silver. "I'm not on furlough," he said.

"Oh? " she said.

"I'm what they call A.W.O.L., " said Newt.

"Oh, Newt! You're not!" she siad.

"Sure I am," he said, still looking at the magazine.

"Why, Newt? " she said.

"I had to find out what your silver pattern is," he said. He read names of silver patterns from the magazine. "Albermarle? Heather? " he said. "Legend? Rambler Rose? " He looked up, smile. "I plan to give you and your husband a spoon," he said.

"Newt, Newt--tell me really," she said.

"I want to go for a walk," he said.

She wrung her hands in sisterly anguish. "Oh, Newt--you're fooling me about being A.W.O.L. ," she said.

Newt imitated police siren softly, raised his eyebrows.

"Where--where from? " she said.

"Fort Bragg, " he said.

"North Carolina? " she said.

"That all right," he said. "Near Fayetteville--where Scarlett O'Hara went to school."

"How did you get here, Newt? " she said.

He raised his thumb, jerked it in a hitchhike gesture. "Two days," he said.

"Dose your mother know? "she said.

"I didn't come to see my mother," he told her.

"Who did you come to see? " she said.

"You, " he said.

"Why me? "she said.

"Because I love you," he said. "Now can we take a walk? "he said. "One foot in front of the other--through leaver, over bridges--"

They were talking the walk now, were in a woods with a brown-leaf floor.

Catharine was angry and rattled, close to tears. "Newt," she said, "this is absolutely crazy. "

"How so? "said Newt.

"What a crazy time to tell me you love me," she said. "You never talked that way before." she stopped walking.

"Let's keep walking," he said.

"No," she said. "So far, no farther. I shouldn't have come out with you at all," she said.

"You did," he said.

"To get you out of the house," she said. "If somebody walked in and heard you talking to me that way, a week before the wedding--"

"What would they think?" he said.

"They'd think you were crazy," she said.

"Why?" he said.

Catharine took a deep breath, made a speech. "Let me say that I'm deeply honored by this crazy thing you've done," she said. "I can't believe you're really A. W. O. L. , but maybe you are. I can't believe you really love me, but maybe you do. But--"

"I do," said Newt.

"Well, I'm deeply honored," said Catharine, "and I'm very fond of you as a friend, Newt, extremely fond--but it's just too late." she took a step away from him. "You've never even kissed me," she said, and she protected herself with her hands. "I don't mean you should do it now. I just mean this is all so unexpected. I haven't got the remotest idea of how to respond. "

"Just walk some more," he said. "Have a nice time."

They started walking again.

"How did you expect me to react?" she said.

"How would I know what to expect? "he said. "I've never done anything like this before."

"Did you think I would throw myself into you arms?" she said.

"Maybe," he said.

"I'm sorry to disappointed you," she said.

"I'm not disappointed," he said. "I wasn't counting on it. This is very nice, just walking."

Catharine stopped again. "You know what happens next?" she said.

"Nope," he said.

"We shake hands," she said. "We shake hands and part friends," she said. "That's what happens next."

Newt nodded. "All right," he said. "Remember me from time to time. Remember how much I love you."

Involuntarily, Catharine burst into tears. She turned her back to Newt, looked into the infinite colonnade of the woods.

"what does that mean? "said Newt.

"Rage!" said Catharine. she clenched her hands. "You have no right--"

"I had to find out," he said.

"If I'd loved you," she said, "I would have let you know before now. "

"You would? "he said.

"Yes," she said. She faced him, looked up at him, her face quite red. "You would have known," she said.

"How?" he said.

"You would have seen it," she said. "Would aren't very clever at hiding it. "

Newt looked closely at Catharine's face now. To her distress, she realized that what she had said was true, that a woman couldn't hide love.

Newt was seeing love now.

And he did what he had to do. He kissed her.

"You're hell to get along with!" she said when Newt let her go.

"I am?" said Newt.

"You shouldn't have done that," she said.

"You didn't like it?" he said.

"What did you expect," she said--"wild, abandoned passion?"

"I keep telling you," he said, "I never know what's going to happen next."

"We say good-by," she said.

He frowned slightly. "All right," he said.

she made another speech. "I'm not sorry we kissed," she said. "That was sweet. We should have kissed, we've been so close. I'll always remember you, Newt, and good luck. "

"You too," he said.

"Thank you, Newt," she said.

"Thirty days," he said.

"What? "she said.

"Thirty days in the stockade," he said--"that's what one kiss will cost me. "

"I--I'm sorry," she said, "but I didn't ask you to go A.W.O.L."

"I know," he said.

"You certainly don't deserve any hero's reward for doing something as foolish as that," she said.

"Must be nice to be a hero," said Newt. "Is Henry Stewart Chasens a hero?"

"He might be, if he got the chance," said Catharine. She noted uneasily that they had begun to walk again. That farewell had been forgotten.

"You really love him?" he said.

"Certainly I love him!" she said hotly. "I would not marry him if I didn't love him!"

"What's good about him? "said Newt.

"Honestly!" she cried, stopping again. "Do you have any idea how offensive you're being? Many, many, many things are good about Henry! Yes," she said, "and many, many, many things are probably bad too. But that isn't any of your business. I love Henry, and I don't have to argue his merits with you!"

"Sorry," said Newt.

"Honestly!" said Catharine.

Newt kissed her again. He kissed her again because she wanted him to.

They were now in a large orchard.

"How did we get so far from home, Newt?" said Catharine.

"One foot in front of the other--through leaves, over bridges," said Newt.

"They add up--the steps," she said.

Bells rang in the tower of the school for the blind nearby.

"School for the blind," said Newt.

"School for the blind," said Catharine. She shook her head in drowsy wonder. "I've got to go back now," she said.

"Say good-bye," said Newt.

"Every time I do," said Catharine, "I seem to get kissed. "

Newt sat down on the close-cropped grass under an apple tree. "Sit down," he said.

"No," she said.

"I won't touch you," he said.

"I don't believe you," she said.

She sat down under another tree, twenty feet away from him. She closed her eyes.

"Dream of Henry Stewart Chasens," he said.

"What?" she said.

"Dream of your wonderful husband-to-be," he said.

"All right, I will," she said. She closed her eyes tighter, caught glimpses of her husband-to-be.

Newt yawned.

The bees were humming in the trees, and Catharine almost fell asleep. When she opened her eyes she saw that Newt really was asleep.

He began to snore softly.

Catharine let Newt sleep for an hour, and while he slept she adored him with all her heart.

The shadows of the apple trees grew to the east. The bells in the tower of the school for the blind rang again.

"Chick-a-dee-dee-dee," went a chickadee.

Somewhere far away an automobile starter nagged and failed, nagged and failed, fell still.

Catharine came out from under her tree, knelt by Newt.

"Newt?" she said.

"H'm?" he said. He opened his eyes.

"Late," she said.

"Hello, Catharine," he said.

"Hello, Newt," she said.

"I love you," he said.

"I know," she said.

"Too late," she said.

He stood, stretched groaningly. "A very nice walk." he said.

"I thought so," she said.

"Part company here?" he said.

"Where will you go?" she said.

"Hitch into town, turn myself in," he said.

"Good luck," she said.

"You too," he said. "Marry me, Catharine?"

"No," she said.

He smiled, stared at her hard for a moment, then walked away quickly.

Catharine watched him grow smaller in the long perspective of shadows and trees, knew that if he stopped and turned now, if he called to her, she would run to him. She would have no choice.

Newt did stop. He did turn. He did call. "Catharine," he called.

She ran to him, put her arms around him, could not speak.

Ragdoll
04-13-2007, 03:31 AM
I'll bet we're all Tralfamadorians here.

Peace out, Kurt, buddy http://clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-031.gif

trainwrecker
04-13-2007, 07:32 PM
One of the truely great minds of our time, his body of work will last the ages...

nick
04-14-2007, 04:05 AM
so it goes.

Opiyum
04-15-2007, 04:10 AM
What terrible news to hear this sunday morning. Im a zombie due to overwork and little sleep so I can't even force any sort of reaction.
Probably better that way. He wouldn't want anyone to dwell on it and besides im sure he died with love all over.

I guess its time for me to retire his pic and quote in my signature thingy.

Bye Kurt.

candyshop
04-15-2007, 04:22 AM
What terrible news to hear this sunday morning. Im a zombie due to overwork and little sleep so I can't even force any sort of reaction.
Probably better that way. He wouldn't want anyone to dwell on it and besides im sure he died with love all over.

I guess its time for me to retire his pic and quote in my signature thingy.

Bye Kurt.

sorry opi -kisses

nikita70
04-26-2007, 04:48 PM
Writing like Kurt Vonnegut did, increases the tollerance/sensitivity for literature so high,
that it remains not too much others still working for us.

Almost like opiates, could be said. One difference: his books sharp up our mind, not close.

bronyraur
04-26-2007, 05:08 PM
RIP Kurt.

a incredible person.

euphoria2002
04-26-2007, 06:31 PM
was gonna ask how did he die but just saw the year 1922....damn
Can you imagine
watching the world change in 85 years
he lived through the ban of alcohol
and WWI
and WWII
as well as the Great Depression
watched man land on the moon
saw scientists clone a sheep
and near cure for cancer....
insane


Dude, WWI was over a few years before Kurt was even born. 1914 - 1918... it finished on Nov 11th which is why that day is marked on the calendar. He did live through a lot though.

I'm gonna have to read some of his books one of these days.... otherwise I'll have to admit I'm an ignoramus! :(

MissyAggravation
05-06-2007, 02:17 PM
it took me almost a month to learn of this and i'm deeply saddened. vonnegut is my all time favorite author followed closely by tom robbins who's style of spinning a yarn is quite akin to vonnegut.

for anyone who cares i uploaded an interview with kurt on alternative radio that i believe is from early 2003:

http://rapidshare.com/files/29848678/alternative_radio_-_kurt_vonnegut_in_conversation.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/29848678/alternative_radio_-_kurt_vonnegut_in_conversation.mp3.html)

it's an interesting listen for anyone who was a fan of vonnegut or even for anyone interested in politics/history as vonnegut had lead a very interesting life and had many points of view to offer on his experiences and life in general.

i also have the audio recording of god bless you, dr kevorkian read by scott brick
and
an audio recording of mother night read by i'm not sure who but is copywrited 1979
so if anyone is interested in either of those i would be more than happy to upload them upon request

edit:
i also wanted to ask everyone what their favorite vonnegut book is. it's hard to pick a favorite but if i had but one vonnegut book to read for the duration of my life it would be cat's cradle.

kyuss
05-14-2007, 07:42 AM
i also wanted to ask everyone what their favorite vonnegut book is. it's hard to pick a favorite but if i had but one vonnegut book to read for the duration of my life it would be cat's cradle.
Breakfast of Champions

Woowoo
05-18-2007, 11:20 AM
i also wanted to ask everyone what their favorite vonnegut book is. it's hard to pick a favorite but if i had but one vonnegut book to read for the duration of my life it would be cat's cradle.
"Sirens of Titan" for me. A book with a plot so convoluted and twisted, you could read the entire thing and honestly not be able to put into words what it is that you just read.

And if you include anthologies, "Welcome to the Monkeyhouse" (from which I took that short story I posted above).

WarmCyanide
01-29-2008, 06:28 PM
instead of resurrecting an old thread i wish i could resurrect this literary genius.

i'm 1/4 of the way through slaughterhouse five, thanks to Nick's recommendation.

Un-Fucking-believable. I put him up there with my faves Steve King and Dean Koontz.

my fave part so far is billy (i think it was billy) fucked up on alcohol trying to find the steering wheel in the car, just to later realize he was looking for it in the back seat. won't mention much more if anyone wants to pick it up. dont wanna spoil too much. I also now know candyshop's pillar of salt thingy.

Cant wait to dive into more of his works.

ein0606
01-29-2008, 06:35 PM
whats said about his death is that fox news wrote him off. in mean spiritedness.
they tried to write him off as a relic.

"by the 1970s he was rich and irrelevent,' they characterized his work as "despondent leftism"

fuckers.

WarmCyanide
01-29-2008, 06:37 PM
whats said about his death is that fox news wrote him off. in mean spiritedness. fuckers wanted to talk about vonnegut. not fox news. i'd like to keep partisan politics away from this thread if it's all the same to you. thanks :)

so it goes.

love it. it took me a few "so it goes" in the book to catch on.