Seeing a Bupe doc for the first time

[OhJoy]

Hello all,
I'm so glad to be apart of this forum. I love you guys. :)

I was just on another forum and all you get is critizem and judgement. I don't know why I bother.

This other forum was giving me all this shit about how bupe shouldn't be used for depression and how that's not it's intended use blah blah blah. I don't have to explain why to these people. Where is the support? It was labeled 'support forum' WTF!

Just wanted to say that due to the fact that I can't obtain hydrocodone like I used to (ROP's going down) I've been considering going the bupe route. I made my first appointment and I'm looking forward to not worrying about where my next order will come from. I'm hoping it really works out for me.


Anyway thanks for being here. :)

[OxyContinuously]

I hope it goes well, too. As a matter of fact, I myself have been thinking of doing the same shit.

later

[candyshop]

for me it rocks-i hope you get the same results
i love the stuff

[kyuss]

OJ I think
you'll like them.
I like them.
Just be careful
with chipping
cos they skyrocket
your tolerance.
Good Luck

[OhJoy]

OJ I think
you'll like them.
I like them.
Just be careful
with chipping
cos they skyrocket
your tolerance.
Good Luck

Do you mean chipping with the bupe or chipping with the hydro? I'm thinking (or hoping) that I won't go back to the hydro.

[JahRed24]

I always here bupe works wonders for people wanting to get off opiates...but if i took it i would ask for subutex so then there is no naloxene or w/e in it

[OhJoy]

He wouldn't give me the subutex. Do you think I'll be okay with the subuxone?

[mikells43]

you should be ok with suboxone. i hate the taste of it thats why i take subutex and my doc is awsome she dont care what i take. tell the doc u have emmense headaches and u just feel weard and he might swich u. subutex is more expensive than suboxone tho. i am covered by insurance so its all good here. i take about 12mg daily and im written for 24 so i have tons of extras. theres really no diff unless u plan on shooting it thats why docs wolnt give subutex cause they are paranoid people will shoot it since theres no naloxone in it to make u sick if u do, thats the only way it gets in ur system, it is inactive sublingually and next to none is absorbed the way u take the pill so dont sweat it. i just think docs think we will do anything to get high and thats why they think we will shoot the sub, some think like that and wolnt take our word for it that we wolnt. i guess its a huge prob in singapore its bigger than herion people are using bupe. but once ur on it u will learn that u can't use any opiates while on it cause it binds so hard to ur receptors and has a 37.5 half life meaning ur last dose half of it will be gone then . but trust me ive waited up to 30 hours and still couldnt get high off of normal to moderate doses of opiates. if ur gonna go straight this is the stuff to do it with . hope u do well. u have my prayers..

[OhJoy]

you should be ok with suboxone. i hate the taste of it thats why i take subutex and my doc is awsome she dont care what i take. tell the doc u have emmense headaches and u just feel weard and he might swich u. subutex is more expensive than suboxone tho. i am covered by insurance so its all good here. i take about 12mg daily and im written for 24 so i have tons of extras. theres really no diff unless u plan on shooting it thats why docs wolnt give subutex cause they are paranoid people will shoot it since theres no naloxone in it to make u sick if u do, thats the only way it gets in ur system, it is inactive sublingually and next to none is absorbed the way u take the pill so dont sweat it. i just think docs think we will do anything to get high and thats why they think we will shoot the sub, some think like that and wolnt take our word for it that we wolnt. i guess its a huge prob in singapore its bigger than herion people are using bupe. but once ur on it u will learn that u can't use any opiates while on it cause it binds so hard to ur receptors and has a 37.5 half life meaning ur last dose half of it will be gone then . but trust me ive waited up to 30 hours and still couldnt get high off of normal to moderate doses of opiates. if ur gonna go straight this is the stuff to do it with . hope u do well. u have my prayers..


So far this suboxone sucks. I feel like shit. I'm not experiencing any w/d symptoms, I just feel like sleeping and nothing else. I brain feels like marshmallows...and it isn't a good thing for me. Anyone have any ideas? I'm taking 16mg. Maybe it's too much. I want my opiate back. :(

[tptptp]

Bleh, I have advice, I said a million times not to take what you were prescribed......you could have gotten away with 2mg with the amount you were taken and thew bupe probably would have given you a buzz. Less is more with bupe where 4mg might make you feel great 16mg might make you feel like shit. going up to 16mg after the ltitle amount of hydro you were doing is not good at all, you really will screw your tolerance that way, and also lose the ability to get byuzz'd off the little doses

I tried helping in great length with all that stuff.......I dont understand why I was asked

[OhJoy]

Bleh, I have advice, I said a million times not to take what you were prescribed......you could have gotten away with 2mg with the amount you were taken and thew bupe probably would have given you a buzz. Less is more with bupe where 4mg might make you feel great 16mg might make you feel like shit. going up to 16mg after the ltitle amount of hydro you were doing is not good at all, you really will screw your tolerance that way, and also lose the ability to get byuzz'd off the little doses

I tried helping in great length with all that stuff.......I dont understand why I was asked

I felt like shit on 2mg, and on 4 and on 6 and on 8 etc....

The first time I did it it was only 1/4 of the pill. By the time I was up to 16 I thought ..THIS HAS GOT TO BE WAY TOO MUCH.
So today I tried just 2 again and triedd not to take anymore.

I kept wanting to take my doc ALL DAY. At noon I took 8mg because I couln't take being sick anymore. And low and behold I felt a little better. At 6pm I was starting to feel real sick again and took another 8mg.. And now I feel much better. Sorry if your dose reccomendation didn't work out for me. I wanted it to, but it just didn't. I did appreciate your advice, but it just wasn't enough. I don't know what else to say.

[tptptp]

I felt like shit on 2mg, and on 4 and on 6 and on 8 etc....

The first time I did it it was only 1/4 of the pill. By the time I was up to 16 I thought ..THIS HAS GOT TO BE WAY TOO MUCH.
So today I tried just 2 again and triedd not to take anymore.

I kept wanting to take my doc ALL DAY. At noon I took 8mg because I couln't take being sick anymore. And low and behold I felt a little better. At 6pm I was starting to feel real sick again and took another 8mg.. And now I feel much better. Sorry if your dose reccomendation didn't work out for me. I wanted it to, but it just didn't. I did appreciate your advice, but it just wasn't enough. I don't know what else to say.

I sent you a pm, im sure you know its gotta be slkowly dissolved under the tongue, right? Yeah I know a stupid Q but just checking I think the availability of swallowing it whole is less than 20%

It's weird you need so much from such a tiny habit, hopefully if/when you get adjusted it starts making you feel better and doesnt require as much. Everyones different somewhat but this is just rare it seems.

[Sitar]

After using Subs to come off of heavy pod habits twice, this is what I've found works best:

I needed to take up to 8 to 12 mgs. for the first few days, then 4 to 8 a day for another few days, and then after the first week or two once the opiates were all out of my system, I was able to quickly drop down to 2 mgs. per day and just stayed there for a while before tapering further.

For you, that first week will likely require amounts of up to 12 milligrams, but usually a lot less with do the job fine. The second week you want to spend getting it down lower and lower. By the third week you should be stable at 2 mgs, no more than 4. Now, just stay at that level comfortably for a couple weeks to get your head in order, and after that, start on a nice, long, slow taper, all the while keeping your life in order and getting some drug counseling if necessary.

Really you don't need to taper off of it like I'm doing. You could stay on it forever if you thought that was really necessary. But if you do that, make sure you get stable at the lowest dose possible; 2 mgs per day is ideal I think.

If you do decide to eventually taper, I have lots of advice for that. Feel free to ask.

[tptptp]

yeah but she was taking small doses of hydro everyday I dont understand why she'd need so much. She used to be on everyday and I haven't seen her on in a couple. hope shes ok

[flipside]

She logged in yesterday but it looks like she didn't post/

OJ give us holler and let us know how you are k?

[OhJoy]

Hey guys, thanks for asking about me. That means a lot. :)

I'm not doing that great on the suboxone. Last Friday I was down to 2mg /day and that is where I am currently. I'm very depressed and lethargic. I can't sleep w/o ambien or ativan. I hate work. I don't want to go on like this. I miss being happy and I've lost all creativity and desire..for anything. I miss my hydrocodone.

I haven't posted because I just don't care about anything. I feel like crying all the time and I have panic attacks in the middle of the night.

I was going to start surfing this forum to see who folks do going from suboxone back to there doc.

Thanks again for caring.

[Frozen]

Hey guys, thanks for asking about me. That means a lot. :)

I'm not doing that great on the suboxone. Last Friday I was down to 2mg /day and that is where I am currently. I'm very depressed and lethargic. I can't sleep w/o ambien or ativan. I hate work. I don't want to go on like this. I miss being happy and I've lost all creativity and desire..for anything. I miss my hydrocodone.

I haven't posted because I just don't care about anything. I feel like crying all the time and I have panic attacks in the middle of the night.

I was going to start surfing this forum to see who folks do going from suboxone back to there doc.

Thanks again for caring.

OMG Joy, I'm so sorry that sub doesn't work for you, and I know I'm partly responsible for this mess.

I think you do understand however, trying bupe was definitely worth a shot for you, and definitely the right thing for you to do (despite the negative results).

Bupe is strange and the results vary so widely from person to person- Candyshop switches to bupe and she's on cloud9, saying she loves it so much she owes the inventor a bj. I switched from oxy to bupe 15 months ago. The first 6 months I was fine, and glad to have found a legal and cheap med to replace the oxys. After half a year, the subs just started becoming less and less effective.

Joy, in your shoes I'd just cut my losses and go back on hydros immediately, since the bupe is almost certainly making your tolerance to other opies worse, not better, while you're on it.

[OhJoy]

Frozen-Don't even think that you are even a smidge responsible. I wanted to find something that could help my depression. Many many people had great experiences. Who would ever know that I would react this way. My bupe doctor keeps telling me to stick with it for another two weeks and he 'promises' I will feel great soon. I'm not sure I can believe him.

Before I started the bupe I was taking approx. 40-60mg hydrocodone a day. Would my tolerance have gone up since I'm on the bupe for 2 weeks now? I thought th ere were some ppl whowere using bupe to lower tolerance. Is it not true? Because you said that 'bupe is almost certainly making your tolerance to other opies worse" then it would be true that the longer I stay on bupe the higher my tolerance will be?

Since my brain feels so screwed up now, how screwed up will it be when I go back to hydro? I know there is at least one person who uses bupe during the week and d.o.c. on the weekends. I wonder how messed up there sleep/anxiety is?

Should I wait a few days after my last dose of bupe to go back to hydro? Or should I just wait until I start feeling w/d from bupe?

Maybe I just haven't been on opiates long enuf to get the full benefit of bupe. I started regular use of hydro June 2006. I can always give it another try.

[tptptp]

Frozen-Don't even think that you are even a smidge responsible. I wanted to find something that could help my depression. Many many people had great experiences. Who would ever know that I would react this way. My bupe doctor keeps telling me to stick with it for another two weeks and he 'promises' I will feel great soon. I'm not sure I can believe him.

Before I started the bupe I was taking approx. 40-60mg hydrocodone a day. Would my tolerance have gone up since I'm on the bupe for 2 weeks now? I thought th ere were some ppl whowere using bupe to lower tolerance. Is it not true? Because you said that 'bupe is almost certainly making your tolerance to other opies worse" then it would be true that the longer I stay on bupe the higher my tolerance will be?

Since my brain feels so screwed up now, how screwed up will it be when I go back to hydro? I know there is at least one person who uses bupe during the week and d.o.c. on the weekends. I wonder how messed up there sleep/anxiety is?

Should I wait a few days after my last dose of bupe to go back to hydro? Or should I just wait until I start feeling w/d from bupe?

Maybe I just haven't been on opiates long enuf to get the full benefit of bupe. I started regular use of hydro June 2006. I can always give it another try.

making tolerance worse? on 16mg without a doubt on 2? for what you were taking probably a bit but nothing extreme i'd imagine. I'd go back to your doc too unfofrtunately, works for most but I guess not for you. I think that doc's good but like most they dunno what they are prescribing really and while his literature (taken from naabt) does say you feel like crap for the first couple days I think almost everyone gets immediate nice effect from it after a switch. so if you havent yet felt good even at 16mg its not gonna work, at least not mentally.

You can go back to hydro whanever you want but bupe is going to block its effects quite a bit...if you've been stabl e at 2mg id imagine you'll be feeling full effects from hydro in a couple days, you can start earlier you'll just need more to break through the bupe and that'll hjelp raise your tolerance. you dont ahve to be in bupe wd to take hydro.

[Frozen]

My bupe doctor keeps telling me to stick with it for another two weeks and he 'promises' I will feel great soon. I'm not sure I can believe him.

-----> Sorry, the odds are stacked against his prediction.


Before I started the bupe I was taking approx. 40-60mg hydrocodone a day. Would my tolerance have gone up since I'm on the bupe for 2 weeks now?

----> You're on 2mg/day, right? To the best of my knowledge I'd say your tolerance is almost certainly not going down, and more likely to go up a bit (not dramatically though, just a little if at all.)
I really can't answer this with any certainty at all though.


Should I wait a few days after my last dose of bupe to go back to hydro? Or should I just wait until I start feeling w/d from bupe?

---> There's no danger at all of precipitated withdrawal when switching from bupe to hydro (or oxy, or H...) The only issue you may have, is that the hydro would be partially blocked for a couple days, requiring a higher dose than usual until all the bupe has cleared from your receptors.

[OhJoy]

Hey Guys,
Well I had a horrible nightmare and that did it for me.

Back to my life with hydro. I feel SOOOO much better now. I took my last dose of bupe 2mg yesterday at noon. I took 17.5 mg hydro at 9:30am this morning and 45 minutes later I was great.

I guess I'll keep bupe around for an emergency, but otherwise no more bupe for me.

What ever it is I need for my brain to feel right, it's in the hydrocodone, not in the bupe.

oh well. I should be around more now that I'm not wanting to 'check-out' anymore.

Thanks for all the support. :)

[candyshop]

really sorry it did not work for you the way it did for me
but glad that you are happy now

brain chemistry is such an odd and varied thing
i wonder if they will ever figure it all out