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Hiems

09-15-2005, 02:19 PM

Hello, has anyone tried doing this with success? I remember reading on Rhodium some time ago two different methods on how to demethylate oxycodone to the 10x as potent oxymorphone. One method involved using BBr3 and the other used Methionine, both I think in chlorobenzene. I have been wanting to try this method for a while now, but am having problems finding some chemicals now that I'm not in the O-Chem lab every week. Any suggestions on suppliers of chems or alternate methods would be much appreciated. Also, this will obviously first have to involve purifying OC tablets, I remmember seeing a thread about that here but the search didnt show it up... suggestions? Thanks guys.

MorphineDreams

09-15-2005, 10:40 PM

Hiems:

Chemically altering oxycodone and making oxymorphone out of it is a COLOSSAL task. I don't think the "average" person can do this in their basement with a few oxycontins - it's impossible. Although it would be real nice if it were possible. Although oxycodone is a very good narcotic itself it is still classified as a "moderate" opiate along with hydrocodone and methadone, it is nothing as compared to the real "strong" classified narcotics like morphine, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, levorphanol and of course heroin.

HeidiW

09-16-2005, 12:11 PM

Damn, wouldn't it be great to figure this one out!:D

Buckshot

09-20-2005, 11:50 PM

uhh did I just hear someone say oxycodone isnt a strong opiate......is dont think thats right.

JoyDivision

10-19-2005, 07:16 PM

From my experience OxyContin isn't that strong and I don't particulary like how it makes me feel.
It makes me agitated, turns me into a prick to my family and my dosage/quantity blows chunks (QTY: 90 x10mg CR's a month with 3 x 10mg a day). And it doesn't kill all my pain.

I'm sure it will get someone who doesn't really need it to get a nice rushy high but after being on it for almost a full 5 months I really hate it. But if I don't take it I get severe pain and I can't get into see my specialist for like 5-6 weeks because he is heavily booked and only works like one day and the place I see him is like a 45min drive away just to see him for 10 minutes just to get my Oxy dose either increased or put onto another pain medication.

I would rather be given pure 30mg or 60mg Codeine phosphate. and take 60-120mg 3-4 times a day with 10-20mg diazepam a day if needed. I like the feeling of codeine alot more. Sure I'll get a big tolerance like I do to Oxy but at least the stuff turns my depression into mania. It's no wonder codeine was used in the 1900's as an anti-depressant.

I know. Lots of people dislike codeine. But that's cause they take what 300-400mg at once and expect it to work all the time. Duh. It won't work all the time if you do that. Nor will diazepam if you take 20-40mg a day all the time. You gotta either go could turkey off this shit or substitute it for something else. And I'll tell you this. If you don't suffer from Chronic pain and you can't handle the withdrawls from OxyContin then you're a pussy. I'm not saying you can't use anything from the withdrawl symptoms. You can use mild stuff for the aches, pains and diarrhea. If you suffer from Chronic pain and you can handle withdrawls from OxyContin then you're a champion.

I go without OxyContin for almost up to 2 and a half weeks sometimes using only OTC codeine products or poppy seed tea. And I have constant chronic lower back, mid back, upper back, neck and forehead pain. And then people without any pain can't even go off the stuff for a few days without going insane.

If you want to get high. Smoke dope! Do Acid, Use Mushrooms. Leave the pain meds for people with pain instead of abusing it like smegheads and then it gets taken off the market, pharmacies won't stock it or some other stupid reason cause some little fuckwad is a little pussy and can't handle drugs.

Sorry but your hurting people with legit uses for pain meds. When you guys have plenty of shit on the street to get high off. What do we have? Fucking Heroin? I don't want to do heroin. I don't want to buy needles, heat the shit off a spoon, use a cotton bud or whatever to filter glass, cum and other shit out of it just to kill my pain. I just want to swallow a fucking pill! Not be a junkie or be treated like one!

Sorry but I'm just pissed off that I have to suffer while little fucks just go onto the next drug. Honestly if alcohol or pot killed pain like narcotics I'd use them. But Alcohol doesn't kill pain (there's plenty of booze around the house I could use if I could, I could even buy it myself) and marijunana makes me hella paranoid and my parents wouldn't support me smoking it, even though I could easily get it.

ontario_opiophile

10-20-2005, 02:34 AM

I dunno, people who use painkillers for just the hell of it are idiots in my opinion. I think that a large number of people who are addicted/regulars have a legitimate reason to be on them, no doctors support them in their persuit for eternal happiness though. I don't see the difference between prescribing Oxycodone for depression or Prozac for depression. Both of them alter your mind in one way or another. I dont see why people are so narcophobic. It's only been like this the last 100 years give or take 10-20 years, and for thousands of years, probably since the beginning of time, people have been using crude opium and tinctures. I kind of have a problem with people who go out and just do it for fun basically. Too many smart people go and use it for fun and die or piss their life away by being non-productive. That type of crap makes it hard for sick people to get their medications. Although.....

I do believe that EVERYONE has a legitimate need for opiates and any other drug that helps them live a happier and more productive life

But, with the narco-nazi governments we have all over the world today, everyone can't use opiates or many other drugs to help alleviate depression, or any other medical conditions. Well actually you can if you have money, or can doctor shop. But if you go out and do this your only ruining it for the people who have serious medical conditions. I think that 95% of the people on this site probably need opiates for one legitimate medical reason or another. If you think about it, why would anyone use opiates if they didnt have a need for whatever it gives them. Obviously opiates fill some void in humans that gives them greater pleasure in life. Why would you deny this wonder to so many who are depressed and stressed out over the bittersweet game we call life? Just more dillusions sorry for the ramble.

Zoop

10-20-2005, 06:21 AM

Ontario, I respect you and have agreed with most of what you say. Especially about using opiates for depression, much like prozac is used.

But, you are contradicting yourself when you say anyone who wants to use opiates therefore must need it in some way, and then you say you think people who take opiates for the fun of it are idiots? What's up with that?

One the topic, however, I would advise that it's folly to try and entertain some notion that you could just "convert oxycodone to oxymorphone" I doubt anyone would want to risk ruining a perfectly good batch of oxycodone to try and do that. And that's assuming 1. you could get your hands on a large amount of oxycodone that you didn't care about ruining, and 2. you REALLY have total and complete access to a chemical lab, where there is no way you could get caught doing it. You could do some time in prison if they thought you were part of a conspiracy to manufacture narcotics for distribution.

It's not gonna happen. Go to school and get a PhD in medicinal chemistry and then go to work for a drug company, get promoted to a suprevisory position in the R&D department and then attempt to do this. Until then, just maintain on what you got, don't fantasize about silly stuff.

shaunclo

10-20-2005, 09:44 AM

I know there are a lot of people in REAL pain, where they need REAL help with REAL narcotics. Fact is though that everyone is responsible for themselves. If the oxycontin isnt working for you right, and it doesnt take away all your pain, and it makes you treat your family like shit, then tell your doctor. And if he is so far away, then find one closer to you. I guaranty if you ask your doctor for codeine instead of oxycontin, Im pretty sure he would make that trade for you. If you are in legitimate pain, like I believe Ontario is, (only from some posts of his I have read) then get on the med that works for YOU. I dont understand why doctors put chronic-pain patients on oxycontin (it is such a short acting narcotic) when they can use morphine or duragesic.

duke_nemmerle

10-21-2005, 08:13 AM

As an aside, someone mentioned it and I'll second that oxy does make me agitated for some reason. It just seems as though conversation is petty to me when I'm on them. I'm a nice person so I'm not a dick about it to anyone, but I get annoyed very easily on them :)

red26

10-21-2005, 12:46 PM

shaunclo I'm with you bro. I've switched to heroin because I cant find a decent doctor whos ever been in as much pain on a daily basis as I am. I loath the medical "industry" for this. making one pain med into another isnt an easy task. I agree with the going to school thing. I'm planning on it myself. Infiltrate the system and corrupt it. Go to school and do something productive with your habit.Even converting codiene into hydro is a tough one if you dont know what your doing and dont have all the proper equippment and chems. to do it. If you are going to attempt this be careful, someone could lose an eye.

paesan

10-21-2005, 01:10 PM

duke_nemmerle

10-23-2005, 02:28 AM

Oxy definetely does turn people into mean bastards. Back in MA a street slang for oxy was "the grouch" cuz it allways turns you into a grouchy prick. I find I get "the grouch" (just really mean) on all opies not just oxy, it's just with oxy I feel I need to kill people more often...

hahaha, glad I'm not the only one. I usually wait til my girlfriend heads out before I get off because we both know that it makes me disagreeable

red26

10-23-2005, 02:56 PM

I happen to be just the opposite. It's when I'm not loaded I'm "the grouch" usually. I get loaded and I'm happy as could be, and productive too in my life. It could be that possibly your reaction time is increased or more sensitive when your takin your dose? Typically speaking, if I'm not nodding and just high things are happening upstairs quicker than usual. Maybe it's just impatience your experiencing?

Wildman

10-23-2005, 04:45 PM

I've always had a real problem with patience, and find that
opioids really help with this. I'm also from a family where
depression is prevalent, and find (amazingly enough) that
opioids help with that as well.

I did, however, finally take the plunge and found a great
shrink who also deals with a lot of substance issues (even
though I primarily went there to deal with my anger, impatience,
and depression) he was able to put my experiences with
substances into proper perspective (i.e., not rush to judgement
that substances were the cause of my problems, but rather
that they might be a symptom of a larger issue).

This shrink has also probably done all the substances that I
have tried and deals with folks that are infinitely more messed
up than I am, so my drug consumption is small potatoes
to him.

If you find that you take opioids to deal with anger/depression/
motivation - you may want to consider that you are not just
a junky - but that you may have other issues WHICH CAN
BE SUCCESSFULLY DEALT WITH. My life (now that I am
on meds) is so much better than before. I still party, but
I drink A LOT LESS, and am a much nicer person to be around.

Don't define yourself and any issues you may have with the
"junky" label - people are usually much more complex than that.

paesan

10-24-2005, 10:38 AM

Yeah I definetely find "the grouch" to be a patients thing. For some reason opies make me frickin wired (to the point that I have trouble sleeping) and I seem to get very frustrated with everyone around me. The more people around the more frustrated I get which sucks because two of my current sources of funds require me to be around a lot of people.

It's not that I don't enjoy parties and people it's just that people don't appreciate me telling them "hurry up and hand me that money before I shove this #-B@*% up ya fuckin ass!!!" My sister & my girl now tell my friends "watch out he's got the grouch" and they just laugh my threats to their lives and the lives of their families off... Bastards...

duke_nemmerle

10-26-2005, 03:04 AM

paesan

10-26-2005, 10:28 AM

Yep same with me. It's funny cuz even though I'm homicidal I still feel fucking great...

marblehead

10-31-2005, 08:55 PM

It seems if I do eanough oxy for a mellow buzz ( about 20-40 mg) I feel ok but more and I get anxious and want to kill someone.I also race around my yard rying to get shit done, like a lunatic. The frustration fills me till i feel i'm going to explode then i ask myself am I enjoying this? So now I just keep my stash hidden 'till I'm alone and I can enjoy it cause people definately ruin it especially if they are in my aura

shaunclo

11-01-2005, 09:37 AM

Well, I think we are a little off of topic now, but oh well. I was in my room watching t.v. and playing my acoustic. I was having the time of my life, I dont think I could have been in a better mood, when all of a sudden.....knock, knock, knock ON MY FUCKIN DOOR!!! Right when I heard those knocks I instantly went nuts,WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT, I yelled. Then I had to make myself calm down for a second before my roomies thought I was slamming some steroids or something. This is very true, I am as happy as a clam when I am to myself minding my own business. People blow it for me when I am trying to enjoy a perfect high. Other people take away from your high, thats why I am such a hermit when I am using. Not the greatest thing, but hey, like I fuckin care..........

miosis

11-21-2005, 04:06 PM

Conversion of Oxycodone to Oxymorphone

by Epikur It seems a number of bees have access to oxycodone. Once this compound is available, one would immediately dream of converting this compound into the far more potent oxymorphone. This would increase the potency by a factor of 15 when based on intramuscular application.
Most processes to split off the O-methyl in codeines are quite messy, the yield is low, expensive or hard-to-get chemicals are required ... and a lot more worries which makes it usually not parctical to do for bees. But now yours truly has now found a process TO DO IT in a process adaptable to kitchen chemistry. All chemicals are cheap and unsuspicious.
Here is the procedure

A mixture of 3.15 g (10e-2 mole) of oxycodone, 28.3 g (3.1e-1 mole) of methanesulfonic acid and 2.2 g of DL-methionine are heated to 40° C. The reaction mixture is stirred at this temperature for 12 hours and then poured onto ice. The mixture is made alkaline with ammonia to a pH = 8 to 9, then extracted with dichloromethane. The organic phases are washed with water, dried over sodium sulfate and evaporated to dryness under reduced pressure. The crude product thus obtained (2.51 g) is purified on a column of silica by eluating with pure chloroform followed by a gradient with methanol. 2.17 g of oxymorphone are thus obtained, which represents a yield of 72%.
You will most likely want to convert this into the hydrochloride: 5 g of the purified base previously obtained are disolved in 30 ml of warm acetone. After concentration to about 10 ml, 5 ml of 6N hydrochloric acid are added to the warm solution. The mixture is cooled to -10° C, and the precipitate is filtered off, washed with acetone and dried at 50° C in a vacuum. 4.83 g of oxymorphone hydrochloride are thus obtained. Yield 87%.
With an overall yield of 63% and a potency increase of 15, the actual gain factor is around 9, i.e. you have 9 times more opioid activity than at the beginning. A one-day dose can therefore be converted into a week-dose. No bad, eh?
The kitchen chemistry adaptions would include the use of a hair dryer insted of the reduced pressure, skipping the purification process (the crude product should be clean enough and no toxic chemicals have been used).
I already know your next question: will it work with codeine or other codeine derivatives like dihydrocodeine or hydrocodone? NO, it won't. The yield would be terribly low (~15%) and a lot of goo is formed so serious cleanup has to be done.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/oxymorphone.html

psychotiKK

12-20-2005, 12:39 AM

Yep same with me. It's funny cuz even though I'm homicidal I still feel fucking great...

I got in a verbal argument with a 65 year old man on pod tea the other week. The thing is, if that morphine wasn't in my system I wouldn't of went as far as I did. Basically, this old prick decides to threaten me because my car alarm was fucking up and wouldn't stop. I cussed this guy out like no tomorrow, but he deserved it.. what kind of 65 year old guy threatens a 20 year old and then denies it to his wife.. never seen such immaturity at such an old age..

Anyways, I find if I do opiates/opioids too often I'll become an asshole. Everything will bother me. Little noises, people asking me questions, the way someone looks at me, ect. I'll feel damn good, but at the same time I will want to rip someones fuckin' head off!! ;) I find morphine to do this to me the most.. specially when coming down.

poppy

12-20-2005, 04:04 AM

My partner is fine on smack, and ok on his oral methadone but his methadone amps.......I have a feeling of dread every saturday on the way to picking up our scripts because more often than not he seems to react in the same way you're describing. Having said that I sometimes find that I get more irritated with people when I'm wasted on gear, probably because subconsciously I think they are interfering with my buzz for whatever reason.

paesan

12-20-2005, 03:37 PM

That my friends is called "the grouch"...I get that also on all opies. I just feel the need to kill everyone I come in contact with. But hey, at least I feel good.

SomniGod

12-20-2005, 04:27 PM

I seen it!!! Couches flyin!!! Heheh.... that chic had no business throwin hands though!!! Man, that shit was funny... i guess you had to be there in 3rd person... but...hahah...yeah ... u don't wanna meet a pissed off opiophile!

Sorry, that was pretty 'off-topic.' Back to conversion..... we are all talkin bout this shit...most of us have access to some form of M.... does noone have a pair of brass big enough to start testing? I guess I should shut up.... you don't see me possibly wasting my shit!!!!

~S~

devilsdrug

12-20-2005, 05:15 PM

off topic yeh old days a hammerless s&w 38 in back pocket, then i settled for a louisville slugger, now i am down to a can of pepper spray who would have known , id say ive mellowe out

duke_nemmerle

12-21-2005, 12:00 AM

off topic yeh old days a hammerless s&w 38 in back pocket, then i settled for a louisville slugger, now i am down to a can of pepper spray who would have known , id say ive mellowe out

Devil's I love hearing your commentary on mellowing(you're the guy who is the lone survivor your 1970s heroin group, right?), I sure hope I have the fortitude you do bro. I'ma have to sit down with you someday and take notes

paesan

12-21-2005, 10:51 AM

I seen it!!! Couches flyin!!! Heheh.... that chic had no business throwin hands though!!! Man, that shit was funny... i guess you had to be there in 3rd person... but...hahah...yeah ... u don't wanna meet a pissed off opiophile!

~S~

She's coming back for new years too bro...but we aint gonna see her. I found out she fucked my good friend so after I leave him spending the rest of his life in a wheel chair I plan on sending some o' my new broads over there to mess up her pretty face. Too bad I can't change into a broad for just a couple of hours...oh the brutality, the horror, the pure hatefilled beatings...

SomniGod

12-21-2005, 01:14 PM

lessons will be learned.... thought she had mo sense than to try and pull the wool...that's the way the cookie does its' thang! Is this mark gonna be in town when I get there....?????;) I'll try a new conversion....turning a mark-ass trick into a usable form:
1. locate shit(busta)
2. pulverize shit
3. Stomp on the shit
4. Do a 'quick-trick-wash' and put his punk-ass out on the street to make us $$$

beware...this is not recommended for the newbie street-chemist...pimpin and shinin experienced persons only attempt this!

~S~

paesan

12-21-2005, 01:37 PM

Hell yeah they both be there...we gotsta get those fools. One my boy...pretty boy won't be so pretty after I hit em so hard he starts shittin teeth. Po po pretty boy aint got no teeth. I wonder what it tastes like to chew your own insides???

Two my ex-biizzzznatch...I got about fo o fie udda broads on the look fo that trick. I think once we get her, we can make some serious change off that beeeeeoooootch...Stick her right on rundberg...the land of 5 dollar crackrocks and 3 dollar crack whores. I bet we get at least $50 for her cute little ass. HIV here she comes...damn I am a sick fuck.

devilsdrug

12-21-2005, 07:46 PM

ya Duke im the lone survivor the secret the last 10 yrs is im on my own dont share my usin and abusin with any body the ol lady dont know , the stepson knows but dont use cause of work his dad was one of my best buddies who died in emergency we are drinkin buddies see ive known him all his life and his dad and uncle are gone so im like the only one left for him also heh hes 37 so all this soap goes way back . any way this thread isnt the place for this yak

psychotiKK

12-21-2005, 11:04 PM

but...hahah...yeah ... u don't wanna meet a pissed off opiophile!

~S~

Definately.. I was way too close to fighting that 65 year old man..

I've had many other encounters while doped up and turned into the hulk, but when I'm not using I usually try to avoid a fight. When I'm on tea, morphine, smack, ect. I would probably fight a 10 foot giant.. when I feel no pain, I feel like a god. There are two things I can not tolerate whether I'm on opies or not. First thing are people who go out of their way to personally insult me, and the second thing is anyone who hits on my girlfriend or talks down to her. What kind of drunk morons hit on your girlfriend when you're sitting right next to her.. fucking dumbshits I swear..

Dee

12-22-2005, 05:44 AM

Dee

12-22-2005, 05:48 AM

SomniGod

12-22-2005, 10:12 AM

I've tried & contrary to popular belief OC does NOT dissolve in water for IV use. Thanks- Dee

actually it is possible, just not worth it..... or maybe i just am not skilled enough for it...but what doesn't come out...gets eaten anyway...waste no want not...

~S~

insaneike

01-07-2006, 06:20 PM

I dunno about converting oxycodone to oxymorphone but I can go ahead and tell you the process will not be at all worthwhile man. It'd be easier to convince a doc to prescribe it to ya...

and I agree with the ones who say oxyCODONE isn't that strong. I mean yeah it gets me there but in a shit-like way comapred to other opioids. Like it doesn't have that rushy-pure blissful euphoria of smack, or even morphine at real doses. Now IV OC is DAMN good, thats nothing but euphoria, but seems to cause more sleepiness than IV morphine or IV Demerol.

and yeah, all strong opiates give that 'anger issue' that i'm aware of. I thought that was part of it, just like puking... :S It sucks but when you're actualy in pain you'll learn to live with the bad effects.

later

insaneike

01-07-2006, 06:23 PM

dunno about converting oxycodone to oxymorphone but I can go ahead and tell you the process will not be at all worthwhile man. It'd be easier to convince a doc to prescribe it to ya...

and I agree with the ones who say oxyCODONE isn't that strong. I mean yeah it gets me there but in a shit-like way comapred to other opioids. Like it doesn't have that rushy-pure blissful euphoria of smack, or even morphine at real doses. Now IV OC is DAMN good, thats nothing but euphoria, but seems to cause more sleepiness than IV morphine or IV Demerol.

and yeah, all strong opiates give that 'anger issue' that i'm aware of. I thought that was part of it, just like puking... :S It sucks but when you're actualy in pain you'll learn to live with the bad effects.

later
How the shit do you delete a post ont his board!?!?

GMorris

01-07-2006, 08:27 PM

How the shit do you delete a post ont his board!?!?
Never tried it, but when you go to edit a post there is a button that says "go advanced" I think. Maybe there is some way to do it there?

EDIT:

OK I just tried it with this post, and I see nothing that will do it. I even tried just deleting the text and saving but then I get a message that the post is too short... maybe the founders or moderators know how and will share it with us?

Mark

01-11-2006, 12:24 AM

When I get high on opies I have to be in a semi-quiet environment. If I'm around a bunch of other people who aren't high or people who are high on uppers I find myself feeling agitated and disconnected from others. One thing about oxys that I've noticed is that whenever I'm on them I find I have trouble conversing with anyone without feeling annoyed. Even with loved ones or people that I normally love talking to, I always find myself wanting to just relax and be left alone. If someone starts talking about something interesting or meaningful I usually just roll with it but I get pissed off when people start talking just for the sake of ruining perfectly good silence.

northernstar

07-09-2006, 05:27 PM

does anyone know how flexable that bbhr process is...it seems to work on thebaine to make semisynthetics, and if it works on oxycodone to make oxymorphone, then could it work on hydrocodone to make hydromorphone.?..... i know hydromorphone is strong as hell....and hydrocodone is chreap and still easy to get online....turn vicodan into palladones!!! hell ya! plus hydro-c is way cheaper then oc's

any thought and if this is at all feesable?

SirDonkeyPunch

07-09-2006, 06:17 PM

I'm not sure, but you may want to ck out chemistrystore.com
(For me it was a source of citric acid) they have LOTS of stuff.
Q for you:
I've tried & contrary to popular belief OC does NOT dissolve in water for IV use.
Any idea if it's safe to spike this granular mixture?
Thanks- Dee

depends on what oc's ur talking about, oldschool ones with teh OC printed on them will dissolve, obviously there will be filler or binder left at the bottom. oxycodone instant release tablets are good to boot, so are the ABG's made by Ivax. i think the endo's u can do but the teva's are a bitch and then you should just parachute it.

superman

07-09-2006, 09:30 PM

northernstar

07-10-2006, 12:11 AM

"could it work on hydrocodone to make hydromorphone?"

hydromorphone is made from morphine by the same process that makes hydrocodone from codiene. may want to look at codiene -> morphine -> heroin if you looking to spend less on materials

hmmmm i belive the bbhr may work for that ( c to m) then aa to get h. codien sulphate is gettable...prob about the same price as hydro-c. theres a recipie for what the threads about, but says the conversion rate is crappy. but further looking, its 15%....so it seems to me that would gladly this is not so bad...i would trade 100mg of hydrocodone for 15 dellotin! hell, just getting c to m would be worth it! thanks! u know wher there would be a good recipie for c to m?

superman

07-10-2006, 11:32 PM

hmmmm i belive the bbhr may work for that ( c to m) then aa to get h. codien sulphate is gettable...prob about the same price as hydro-c. theres a recipie for what the threads about, but says the conversion rate is crappy. but further looking, its 15%....so it seems to me that would gladly this is not so bad...i would trade 100mg of hydrocodone for 15 dellotin! hell, just getting c to m would be worth it! thanks! u know wher there would be a good recipie for c to m?

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/codeine2morphine.html

one of the many treasures to be found in rhodiums archive

TTD

07-12-2006, 01:32 PM

The 2 drugs, oxycodone and hydrocodone are very similar for the most part, any proceedure working on oxycodone should work on hydrocodone as well, unless there is a group on hydro somewhere that would be ripped off in the process (other than the methyl).

I posted a LONG proceedure for extracting oxycontin into an IV solution safely without getting all the binders into the end result, very high yeild, its on this board somewhere one of the first posts i made here called Oxycontin IV solution i think.

Anyhow that would be your best way to purify OC pills, it would work on other pills but the drug to inert ratio is higher in OC, i have used it on roxicodone 30mg though works ok. Never even tried with something with apap in it but with some ingenuity it would work, perhaps cold water the pills first and vaccum filter the water through filter paper to get most of the apap, then run the solution through a micron filter at cold temp to get some more. Apap will always disolve in water so you cant separate that way.

The actual proceedure for a conversion to oxymorphone or hydromorphone is fairly uninvolved comparitively, but its by no means "safe", most chemicals involved would be harmfull even if they dont meet the definition of toxic.