scene in indonesia

[wide awake]

In my hometown Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, you could easily score some H if you had the connections ofcourse. A gram of H white powder would go for around Rp. 450.000 (that would be about 45 US$) but I doubt the purity is anything close to what they have here in the states.
The widely popular method of consuming it would be by chasing the dragon (smoking it on foil), and IV injections. I haven't heard of any dealers in Jakarta selling black tar though, so I'm very curious to see what the substance is like.

[kramorph]

Fuck Indonesia(nothing against the beautiful people) But dont ya get shot even for looking at it? There have been a few aussies lately stupid enough to mess with drugs there.Ive heard you can drink as much solvent/alternate feul as ya like(ie alcohol).But if you smoke or carry even a joint(mj) then youll either get the death penalty or spend the rest of ya life in prison.But if you murder hundreds of people youll be out in 18months.Sorry, but that is absolutey fucking ludicrous!

[Peripat]

Kramorph, before you go off at people randomly, it might be worth reading this article from the Bulletin magazine (Australia) (http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/3ED028F618CCDF0ECA25706B000A298B?open&ui=dom&template=domBulletin) from a few weeks back. The crackdown is hitting Indonesians and foreigners alike.

wide awake, welcome to opiophile.org, I hope you enjoy your stay.

[kramorph]

Yes I know Peripat, but I am an Aussie and can only speak for myself. I was under the impression this was a forum where people could freely speak their opinions.What do you have against me? Why dont ya go and bend a few bananas, or stay out of the sun for a while. I Read the article and that IS exactly what I am taking about.

[wide awake]

Kramorph, I would have to agree with you about the fuck Indonesia part, since what you said is true, possesion of even a small amount on drugs could result in life in prison or even the death penalty, but mass murderers get away with only months in prison. The police Jakarta even don't bother to put captured drug dealers through the whole trial process, they just shoot 'em and then make up story saying that the guy fought back or something. It seems the government is trying yo create the public opinion that drug dealers are to blame for the shit happening in the indonesian society and killing them will make things better. That's bullshit I tell you, and thats why I have to agree with Mr. Karmorph here, Fuck Indonesia!

About the few australian nationals that are currently going under trial in Indonesia for drug related cases, I have to say I'm sorry that had to happen but I think the australian government would do the same thing if they caught an Indonesian carrying 10 pounds or so of marijuana. Let's just hope they have a fair and just trial.

Thanks for the warm welcome Peripat, I believe I certainly will enjoy my stay here.

[kramorph]

I am sure the oz govt woul be pretty harsh on any"forigner"(forgotten how to spell again).Caught with a large amount of any thing they shouldnt have.But we never hear about tjat, the media here is extremely biased.

[Peripat]

Simple fact is, Indonesia has the death penalty and Australia doesn't. You can't get more harsh than killing someone... although I admit, locking undocumented foreigners up in Baxter or Villawood or wherever, isn't too nice either.

[wide awake]

Back to the scene, indonesian heroin is widely known as 'putaw' (pronounced pooh-tao). The substance is in the form of white powder, though the color may vary from pure white to a slight brownish color. The act of using putaw is called 'pakaw' (pronounced paa-kaw), and the withdrawals because of it is called 'sakaw'. Notice how they all rhyme? Oh smoking it on foil (chasing the dragon) is known as ngedrag and shooting it up your veins is called cucuaw.

Well putauw is selled in many quantities, a small bag that consists of .1 gram would go for about Rp.100,000. With the current value of the US$ to the indonesian rupiah, that would be equivalent to about 10 US$. You could get a hold of quarter gram bags, known as sperempy, which would sell for about 20US$. A gram of it would go for about 50-60 US$. Cheap huh?

From my own experiences, the center of the H scene of Jakarta is the area known as Batu Raja, in central jakarta, just behind the Grand Hyatt Hotel. Batu Raja is a low class residential area, you could find a dealer on every corner of the street, though since it is in a metropolitan area in the center of Jakarta the police there patrol oftenly so anybody planning to go to Batu Raja, I'd advise you to be careful. The drug bust which started in the early 2000's has cut down the drug dealers by a significant number, but putaw is still widely available, as long as you have the right connections.

I think thats just about enough for now, Im curious to hear what the scene is like in other countries. Oh, and I will try to kindly answer any questions about the H scene in Jakarta to the best of my knowledge.

Regards,

wide awake

[kramorph]

I am curious to know what it costs in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and maybe India, and how much extra us poor suckers pay for cut crap. Although I recently discovered that the shit I have been scoring, isnt as bad as I thought. Fucking tolerance.

[SomniGod]

In Nigeria, you can go to downtown Lagos, about 3 blocks south of Simpson Street and cop their. They call crack "Shelley" (atleast that's how it is pronounced. When referring to H, they would just say brown. The H was a light to medium brown powder. .1 went for about $50 Naira (equivalent back then to $2--- unless you go to the Eko Hotel and change dollars at 80N to the US dollar). They also have litlle shacks there where you are actually 'waited on' by a youngster who would run get you a syringe, water and bottle cap, or a new glass pipe. Just be careful because they would get raided every so often. You do NOT want to be a 20 yr old white-boy caught in a crack shack in Nigeria! That can lead to MAJOR international scandal, prison, death, or things far worse! But the price is right!! :rolleyes:


~S~

[rachamim18]

Ha! A Nigerian Brack Shack...Sounds like my cup of tea. I have traveled a bit but never to Africa [other than to Egypt] but have hasd friends tell me about Uganda and kenya. In Mobassa in Kenya you can buy it exccedingly cheap and it is jsut as in Pakistan with most taxi drivers making the offer. Just as in Pakistan though, some are snitches so be careful.


I have a few notes on what I was told but sadly they are not on me.


I enjoyed reading about Indonesia because I have been to Malaysia more than a couple of times. The prices there are super expensive and just as in Indonesia you run the very real risk of priosn or death. Just being under the influence can earn you a prison sentence. The cops have the right to deman urines on sight, even to foreigners. Refusinbg earns one 17 days in jail, even foreigners.

I hate Malaysia so much that on my upcoming trip to Cambodia [in a couple of weeks] I changed carriers so as not to have to transfer in Kuala Lampur! Even Bqngkok is preferable [even with their facist "War on Drugs"]. Think Indonesia is bad with placing the blame on drug dealers? Head to
Thailand where they have kelled more than 2000 already...in honor of the elderly king. What a joke! Except for those "dealers" that is. In a lot of cases the dead were merely addicts and almost all were low level street dealers. As usual, the big fish get away as they are the ones in partnership with the leaders of Thgailand.


I am glad that although Cambodia finally passed drug laws in 1999, they do not target Westerners. A gram of uncut #4, like a piece of white chalk, is 15 US per gram. Simple as wlaking around the Beong Keok lake in Pehnom Pehn. No crack of course but they do have Yaa Baa [someytimes called Ya Ma locally] which is what caused the drug war in Thailand.


Yaa Baa is methamphetamine in pill form but the pills are made to be smoked. they are about 30% pure but that is another story I suppose.

I feel for those Westerners caught in Indonesia [read about it on the International Prisoner board] but I also feel for the locals being executed for the same thing. They have noone speaking out for them.



Not only Indonesa, Malaysia, and Thailand though. You can catch an execution in Viet Nam and Laos as well for the same thing. Pays to be real careful. Sometimes it is all around you like when I went to viet Nam....but when the hammer comes down there is a special place for Westerners. In the north of Nam they sell opium in huge amounts at almost all hill tribe villages. One would think it wouyld be kind of cool to lay back with a nice wad and do your thing...until the local authorities come to your room and pick you up after being tipped by both your guide and the old lady who sold the opium to you!!! It is a treacherous world for users. Pays to educate yourself.

[SomniGod]

Damn.. i've been dreaming about a vacation in the Golden Triangle for years..... now I just might not try and go... what ever happened to the good ol days... like when Dorothy took a walk down the yellow brick road to that wonderful field of poppies and nodded out for a month? You pretty much have to jack a dope dealer to get a shitload of dope for minimal money. Fukkin sucks. Thought that going to the Far East would be the answer... so much for that.

~S~

[rachamim18]

Aaaahhh...but as I said, Cambodia IS the answer. A room of decent quality for 1 US dollar a night. A five course French meal for 4 Us dollars. And most importantly, a gram of uncut #4 for 15 US dollars! And no cops to worry about. They make about 20 a month and gladly accept anything you give them...and usually do not hit you up.

[wide awake]

My thesis was about afghanistan, and from the books i've read about it says that the cost of opium in the US goes for about 25-30 times it costs there, so if a gram of dope went for 100 US$, it would be about 4US$ there, even cheaper i think since it were that stuff originates. I saw this documentary once were it showed thi mullah (religious leaders) smoking a mountain of brown powder dope from a frying pan with a charcoal fire burning under it, and i was thinking "goddamit!". It also showed that dope cookers, the guys who cook the opium flowers into the black goey substance we know as tar, enjoy a long and healthy, and happy i suppose because the everyday exposure to it, but once they arent exposed to it they die instantly. Now that a bad withdrawal with no way to kick. Dope being such an everyday commodity there, I guess the people there consider it completely normal to smoke it, though since the Taliban rose to power there in 1996 and then the US instated gov't in 2001 dope became illegal, I suspect it is still very easy to find it there.

[wide awake]

i did a little research, and i was mistaken, the street price of dope in the US is up too 100 times its original price back in afghanistan, so you could imagine how cheap it is there.

[rachamim18]

Afghanistan, etc...In Afghanistan the price is even cheaper than your quote. I have'nt been there but I have been to Peshawar, Pakistan which is right over the border. There the price for locals is about 50 US cents per half gram of brown sugar...not pure but purer certainly than anything in Europe or N. America...So...If the price in Pakistan is 50 odd cents, once can only imagine. Plus, Afghanistan has a much lower standard of living, and it IS the farmgate [or originating source in the case]. The price though, as far as pure goes, fluctuates as to the market. When the Taliban were in power and effected a ban on opium productiion [but not sale curiously], the price shot up through the roof. There are opium brokers who play the market just as any commodity borker anywhere 9in the world might [take the US and gas futures if you would]. They stockpile huge amounts, in some isolated cases, tons of the material and manipulate the market.


Currently though, production and refinement to heroin seems to be working like clockworks. It seems that the price is till fluctuating as bit but that it is now tied to the local political situation and instability as opposed to any real fear of outright bans...as in Taliban days.


You said your thesis was on Afghanistan. Might I ask in what area? I am only degreed in ethno-botany but have a great interst in geopolitcal situations and their connjection to the drug trade. In Afghanistan's case, have you read anything by Chouvy? Sadly, the "Geopolitique des Drogues" is no longer functioning. They used to have fabulous info in this regard. Anway, I am meandering...



Um, as far as the US, there is virtually no Afghan heroin to be seen. There was on notable bust last year of an Afghan -American grocer distributor in Queens NYC which has a sizable Afghan population but almost all of the exports go to the EU. There is some that is sent to Africa and SW Asia, like Israel...The thing is, almost all Afghan is "brown sugar," #3 or even #2 [heroin base] which Americans do not have the patience for...especially when Colombia is much closer, much less expensive, and is #4 type. In the early 80s though, when I fist began my usage, there was alot of Pakistani and Afgan heroin on the streets here. I know that they still priduce #4 as they did in those days but it is seen less and less from what I see.

[ontario_opiophile]

Those asian countries are backwards. I'm sick of them. I hope their leaders all choke on shit and die. Everyone knows that they are all inbred assholes. No offense to normal asian people. This Schapelle Corby or whatever her name is got a huge sentence for POT! Marijuana is nothing. It's not terribly psychoactive and it's not damaging to your health thats for sure. These nutty muslim bombers will get out of jail before she does. Indonesia is fucked (excuse my french). I will never travel there and I know alot of people who will never even think about travelling there. I have wrote their government and gave them a piece of my mind and a piece of my ass. uhh i mean....yah I gave them a piece of my mind! I told them I would not travel to Indonesia and that I would inform all my friends and family of their demented laws and cruel and unusual punishment. I can only hope that they will get flooded with letters from pissed off white people and they will finally let this girl out of jail. Oh and thailand........dont even get me started on Thailand. or Malaysia. I would rather have Kim Jong Il running these countries than their current leadership. Besides, i'm sure Kim is a really nice man, and he probably has lots of good heroin and methamphetamine.

Please just ignore my drug induced rants. For I am only dreaming. And so are you. Have a nice day :) Oh and I meant no offense to asians. Just the leadership in asia and the backwards thinking they forcefeed to their people. I think we should all boycott Indonesia and Malaysia and Thailand. I propose a boycott! Yes i do. I'm sure some of you are with me. If not! enjoy your stay in Indonesia, Malaysia or Thailand and be careful and do not get suckered in to buying cheap shitty drugs.
If i go missing. Just know, It was those crazy Indo's who got me!