Is chipping possible?

[shaunclo]

Almost everyone at one time or another has pondered the question, "I wonder if I can just use on the weekends, or maybe just every three days or so." I want to get a poll going to see who thinks "chipping" is either possible or a trap that you will eventually fall into again. Maybe you have never been addicted, and you have just been chipping all along. I am curious about this.

[katomic]

i drink poppy tea and i chip i use for two three days a week and use kava, booze, ghb and green the rest of the week kava right at the end of a tea is great!
some weekends i dont use tea cos i like to do ghb at my local drum and base night its hard but i fucking love D&B im raving till the very last tune.
GHB and opates do not mix at ALL
if that happens i use in the week never more than 3 days tho and three days is pushing it with tea cos of is long action 40+ hours. thats why valium is more additive than the newer benzos
but then this has onley been going on for allmost 2 months so.....

[shaunclo]

Hey Katomic, what are the new benzos?

[katomic]

the newer benzos are Clonazepam Lorazepam and triazolam (comperd to valium) triazolam has a half life of 2 hours while valium and its metabolites has a half life of up to 200 hours!
but get so low (how low?) and ther comes a point wher it becomes habit eg smoking and coke
so which is worst?

LONG HALF-LIFE:
Clonazepam/klonopin
clordiazepoxide/librium
diazepam/valium
halazepam/paxipam
prazepam/centrax
clorazepate/tranxene
flurazepam/daimane
SHORT HALF-LIFE:
Lorazepam/ativan
alprazo/amixanax
triazolam/halcion
oxazepam/serax
temazepam/restoril

half life table http://www.bataid.org/p_equiv.htm

[bi11i]

I never could chip. In fact, every time I would chip, I would always ALWAYS end up with a raging habit that would suck the life out of me. I'm still suffering from the last one with my daily suboxone. Fucking chipping. Not for me.

I'm willing to bet that some can, however. My problem was that I just didn't care enough about life around me to want to quit. I can't say that I'd be able to chip now, although my outlook has certainly changed over the last couple of years.

Anything's possible. Even chipping (fucking chipping.)

[george123]

I've been able to do an 80mg Oxycotin every two weeks for 6 months...but the comedown gets harder each time.

[Ogre]

I think it is...but only to a point. It depends on alot of things. You can chip but only until you get addicted again. And how long will take just depends on how much clean time between your last run and a few other factors.
It's doable for a very very few people. I did read a study once that said a small amount of people can do as much dope as they want, quit and not go thru withdrawl or be addicted...I thought it was something like .9% maybe? I dunno...maybe jacky or PK has seen the study and can tell you more.
For me no it's not. I guess you could say I'm chipping now, but only cuz I'm so broke I'm going to lose my house. So I'm chipping against my will, instead of doing a huge amount of dope...only cuz I'm broke.

[Paregoric Kid]

of course it's possible. it's fact that you can't become dependent if you wait a day or two between using opiates or opioids. of course ones with a long half-life might require 2 or 3 days between use. you just need will power and self control, a lot of people lack those qualities.

[Zoop]

If you are a true dope-o-phile, then NO, it's not possible. If you can take it or leave it, in which case you wouldn't be a member of this forum, then sure, you can chip till your heart's content.

An addict's disease will ALWAYS progress until it make his life unmangeable. The illusion to a lot of people is that because they've "chipped" for like 6 months or a year, then they are "maintaining," when in actuality what is occuring is a dynamic process - the progression of the disease. Check in with those folks in another 6 months and they will be either miserable because they are destroying their lives by using every day, or miserable because they can't destroy their lives by using every day.

He Billie, how does one get hooked up with a good Bupe maintenance program. I have been around the 12-steps for 5 years now, and think I still need it to avoid alcohol and coke, but recently, things have sort of "changed" due to a southeast asian tree that has nice big green leaves. I think bupe is cheaper than the leaves from this funky tree.

[paesan]

I've been doing opies for about 9 years now fairly regularly and I am still not (physically) addicted. Granted my use over the past 3 years has gone from a couple times a month to every weekend. I've also gone on binges a few times: OC's everyday for about 2 1/2 -3 weeks straight, H for almost a week straight, pods for about 2 weeks straight, hydrocodone for over a month straight, a fentanyl analog for about a week straight and I've never experienced any serious withdrawl, just the sniffles, some stiffness in my joints and some pain in my legs (mostly my shins). Honestly I don't even know if what I experienced was actual withdrawl or if it was just psychosomatic, either way it was tolerable.

Generally I start doing opies on Friday afternoon and stay high until Sunday night and I have never really had any problems. With me when I binge after a while it becomes no longer enjoyable as the negative side effects seem to take over and then I stop. Who knows mabey someday I will be a full blown junky but as of right now I'm not, and I've been chipping for years. But that is just me...

[shaunclo]

Paeson, that is fascinating!! Lucky Mother Fucka, I wish oh, I wish I could do that. I have been clean for over 1 1/2 years now (with the help of suboxone) a couple of months ago I wanted to do an experiment and see if I could get off of suboxone with some help from my friend narcotics. I thought this would work, so I ordered a bunch of oxycontin, percoset, percodan, morphine, and methadone. I stopped taking my Sub's and started taking the opiates. (no "H", I would have had no self-control with thatI though) A week went by and I started to get high as a kite. When it came time to stop, I thought.....well I have all these pills left, might as well just chip. Well that didnt work, then came the day (probably 2 weeks afetr taking no suboxone) I ran out of pills, and in came the w/d. I went right back to taking my sub. It worked in a way I guess, because I was on 8 mg's a day before I did this, and when I went back I was fine on 2mg's a day. Now Im down to 1 mg a day. Interetsed topic though, I wish I could just have fun with opiates, but when I get high, nothing else matters (I love Mettalica)

[paesan]

Yeah I guess I am one of the lucky ones. My metabolism is so fucking high that I can lose or gain 5-6lbs in a day depending on what and if I eat, I wonder if that has anything to do with it. I've had friends who've gone on a week long H binge and when they stopped they got sick, and they didn't do nearly as much as I did. For example last weekend I got 15 120mg Avinza (morphine sulfate) caps on friday and finished them by sunday and no withdrawl whatsoever. I snorted everyone of them too. After that month and a half or so of doing 20-30 Norco (hydrocodone) 10/325s a day I thought I was gonna be in trouble when I stopped, but nope. That's the only time I felt like I may have felt some withdrawl (achy joints and sniffles) but it was not that bad and it was over in about 2 days.

[bi11i]

He Billie, how does one get hooked up with a good Bupe maintenance program. I have been around the 12-steps for 5 years now, and think I still need it to avoid alcohol and coke, but recently, things have sort of "changed" due to a southeast asian tree that has nice big green leaves. I think bupe is cheaper than the leaves from this funky tree.check this out (http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/pls/bwns_locator/dr_search.process_query?alternative=CHOICEG&one_state=VA&state=00&zip=00000)or use the locator...: http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/index.html

Sorry, a little off-topic.

Paesan, you're a lucky, lucky man...

[anthropod]

I think so, for most people, but it is very, very easy to get carried away, as many can attest.

If that happens, and habituation is not desired, one really does need to come up with a plan and stick with it. Whether a gradual taper or cold-turkey or something in-between, a conscious decision and sustained action is required. It seems to me that having at least a week to a month with reduced to minimal responsibilities becomes almost necessary; unfortunately, all too many have to wait so long before that becomes possible that the habit becomes well-established.

* I am not an expert; these are my experiences and summary of others'.

[kramorph]

Apparently, i used to chip before i was a junky lol.

[anthropod]

Apparently, i used to chip before i was a junky lol.
A closely related question, with likely different answers for different people, would be,
"how long can one maintain a moderate habit before changes in body/brain chemistry make reverting to 'normalcy' uncomfortable even after prolonged abstinence?" Then there is the matter of those for whom opiates work to stabilize an endorphin imbalance.

I'm of the opinion that legal opiates of decent quality ought to be available for anyone in this situation. Sure, currently Methadone and Bupe are available, but one is among the hardest to ever get off, and the other is unaffordable for most.

Suggestion for any DEA lurkers: Now that heroin has been so thoroughly demonized over the last 75 years, senselessly, so that it's too politically painful to reverse that disasterous course, why not make morphine more widely available? Such a policy would be right in line with the hypocratic oath. Think of the social good this would do: pain patients suffer less, less "drug related" (ie prohibition related) crime, less AIDS. Less money in the hands of narcotraficantes, more money in the hands of the IRS.

But such a policy would make entirely too much sense - just as much as legalizing marijuana, which we all know our duly elected government will not even consider. Nuts.

[HeidiW]

Damn, I wish I could chip. Maybe before I got on the needle I could have. But now, there is no way in hell I could. It's all or nothing for me. Oh Anthro, yes, more Morphine should be put in the hands of the people. (Or, as you put it, 'easily acceptible')

[Peripat]

Is chipping possible? Yes, when your only supplier is 45 minutes away by car (2 hours by public transport) and you hardly have any money anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;)

[rebo]

Peripat ,I'm with you on that one.

[kramorph]

I once lived a long way from dealer, but ended up enjoying the trip(ie became part of the habit) esp nodding on the bus on way home and ending up miles away from home lol. And morphine should be more available, much better idea than hooking us on methadone(long acting, therefore long withdrawing).

[katomic]

it also depends on your life how shit/good is been, your current lifestyle and if you are looking forward to the future or not, also are if you are alone and how strong you are. what you are using There are so many of factors. I try to think of my sessions as relaxing and pleasurable time more than escapism, past 6 months I’ve actually been excited about the future because of my course to get me out of this fucking shit hole and my soon to be business.
For me that would be better than any high
of course id still get high but occasionally:)
good luck

[anthropod]

esp nodding on the bus on way home

Reminds me of an occasion a number of years ago when Greyhound was doing the driving; usually those long bus rides get very uncomfortable after awhile, but this one was kind of like floating along - the usual bumps bumps bumps of the bad roads and bad shocks of the bus just didn't seem to bother me as much :D

[Peripat]

Reminds me of an occasion a number of years ago when Greyhound was doing the driving; usually those long bus rides get very uncomfortable after awhile, but this one was kind of like floating along - the usual bumps bumps bumps of the bad roads and bad shocks of the bus just didn't seem to bother me as much :D

I made a 600-mile bus trip (from Sydney back to Brisbane) bearable in that way - fixing in bathrooms every rest stop... mmmmmmm :)

[alowishus]

My two cents, I guess for some it's possible.
It's like anything else; there are those whom find themsevles heavy in the middle of an addiction after thinking chipping was all they were doing, while the "others" can take it or leave it.

Some people are addicted to the high (that be me:D ), while others are taken in by the drug physically and psychologically, for others it's just the act or process of the drug and then you have those who do it for what it's supposed to be or do(writer/artist). I'm sure you can break it down even further but I'm just spit-balling here. You also have to put the addictive gene into the equation, if you believe in that. If those weekenders have that trait, I'm sure it's not 100% but, chipping will lead to a problem, even for the most mild mannered of us. But that problem doesn't have to be drugs, the addictive gene could lead to over eating, compulsive shopping, or DRIVING TOO FAST - it's true (got that one too:rolleyes: ). Wow, my 2 cents turned into a buck pretty quick.
Anyway in summation I feel it's all about the individual; what one can do - give or take, others may never be able relinquish.

Nice poll.

[oldschool?]

well since i aleady quoted my "former" self in another post saying, back when i botherd "drinking" my poppy "tea" i'd re-dissolve the stuff in alchol to deliver the desired alkaloids straight to my blood - luadenenum style and would say "this is the closest i'll ever get to the feel of i.v. morphine"

.... now i'm on methadone and even the last time i missed a methadone dose no amount of smoked water extracted opium would touch my withdrawl... evidently i couldn't chip - now i'm not saying the poppy led me straight to the needle but i did shut my friend up pretty good the last time he wasted his breath telling one of his pot customers (actually it was his older landlady he was trading for part of rent) how i was the first guy to turn him on to weed... i didn't mean it to shut him up but bluted out (as the ironic thought came to me-since he bothered mentioning such a thing) and i said "yeah, but you turned me on to opium!!" in retrospect this made him feel more bad than i intended but i was sick of him hinting that i influinced him becomming a "pot head" when i'm a junkey...of course amsterdam threw out the "stepping stone" theory in terms of ganja access making more junkies (it doesn't - i.e. the average heroin addicts age in holland has increased dispite the de-crimilnalization of marijuana)

but chipping doesn't work considering the old "rules of chipping" which i doubt any of you alleged "chippers" actually follow. to actually "chip" one has to avoid using for double the days one has used for after every use. i couldn't follow this shedule for even a week when living close to H. i immedeately made my own eaiser rules like "i won't score the day after i run out - to i won't score the day i ran out" hmm but to "chip" i'd have to do all my dope the day i scored then not score for 2 more!! as if!! and to quote my fave quote about opiate addiction (remind me where its from if you know) "we all think we can controll it at first....trouble is somtimes you don't want to controll it" it really pisses me off when people who say those who can't chip have "no will power, or self controll" i (and most addicts i know) have very strong wills - addiction has nothing to do with "will power" or "self controll" but its hard to explain why

[Wildman]

SWIM once had a good friend who was an MD, who once did
him the favor of scripting a large quantity of monthy hydro.

SWIM promised himself each month that the hydro would last
until the the refill. SWIM was not able to do that. SWIM could
not resist the temptation of chowing large quantities every
day until they were gone, and then had to go a long time
until refill day. At least SWIM never really got a bad habit out
of it and was smart enough to taper towards the end of
each run and never really suffered bad WD at all.

SWIM is not able to chip. I suppose others MIGHT be able
to but SWIM is not able to.

Naughty SWIM. SWIM learned a lot about himself and his
inability to resist temptation during that time.

[DaOxyMan]

i actually somehow jumped right into the addiction stage almost immediately..ibegan using a few 40mg oxys daily and a few weeks later i was hooked. i was selling for a local a dealer named 'fat joe' (corny, i know) who supplied me with a huge amount of oxys for selling. i made some cash, and used the cash to pay for the oxys myself for personal use. i became strongly addicted and started using more and more and buying extra 40's and 80's from other dealers. I then discovered the infinite greatness of H...I put oxys on the backburner for a while, only when H wasn't around, which was close to never cause my dearler and i quickly became good friends as i hooked him up with close to a dozen daily clients within my first week of purchasing. He lives about 5 minutes away from me and lets me simply stop by his house where i can have the comfort of going inside and not risk anything..this continued through high school now i am in college and have since been broke and FORCED to chip...after some time of some painful withdrawls, i am now in a somewhat strict chipping regimen, i use as much as i can on the weekends when i have cash, nodding Fri, sat, and sunday away, then sunday night i go back to school, deal with minor withdraw till friday then do the whole thing again..so im successfully chipping as of now but not by choice. id much rather be a junky again. i don't really care enough about my well being to be chipping. Chipping is garbage.

[GMorris]

Personally, I believe that a few lucky individuals can chip AND never become fully addicted, but I think that the number is relatively small. Part of this is the fact that some people who try opiates just plain don't like the feeling, and those people probably won't ever want to do it again, so in theory they are likely candidates for chipping. Many years ago, I knew a woman who dealt (and loved) coke. Her husband acquired a large quantity of Dilaudid (K4's), and several of the people he dealt with (including me) snapped them up as fast as funds allowed. She became curious and decided to crush and snort one, having seen me do it several times, and it immediately made her violently sick, which lasted for a couple of days at which time she vowed never to try that again! Most likely, people like her have a metabolism that just won't tolerate opiates in high enough quantity to get "buzzed". Given that, there are a few people "in between", who like the high and can do it several times in a row and just quit without any adverse effects. How I'd love to be one of those! All in all, it most likely depends on the individual. Some of us fall in love with opiates (my first experience was 60mg. codeine - I knew in an instant that this was for me) the first time we try them, and will seek them out the rest of our lives, making the idea of "chipping" nothing more than an idea. The only way I could do it is if someone else was in charge of when and how much I was allowed to have, otherwise I just keep on and on until the stuff is gone or until I die, whichever comes first.

[roxyrob]

I'm chip chopping my pillz right now........... :)

[katomic]

i guss you'ed have to if you live in jersey! :p

[devilsdrug]

depends on your definintion of chipping which turns this thread into a semantics lesson , can you still be chipping after 3 years of a couple times a week or is it 3or 4 times a week, or was it only a year of 1to 4 times a week and like the other guy said which drug. ah forget it , chipping is only possible for a finite period of time and then you either stop or start doing more period.

[insomnolent]

I've been using for about two years now, and I'm still a chipper, although I've been on several binges (OC 80's daily for a couple weeks straight a few times over the summer, as well as H for up to a week/week and a half straight), yet the closest to withdrawal I've been is aching joints and headaches. It all started when I had kidney surgery, and woke up with a morphine IV and got sent home with a bottle of Percoset. It was love at first sight. I gained access to 80mg Oxy's ($50 each, $40 each after two) over the summer after surgery and 60mg generic morphine sulphate tabs ($5 each), and snorted them to my hearts desire until my dealer moved to Atlanta. Then I found a less reliable OC dealer that charged a dollar a mg, and that really settled me into being a chipper due to the mere fact that I could only afford one pill per paycheck without dipping into money needed for living expenses (and beer expenses, I love the booze :D). After the bitch had ripped me off twice, I boycotted her sales and researched copping on the streets. I live a little more than an hour from the "heroin capital of the US", Baltimore, and tried my luck there. I copped four capsules on my first attempt, and I was introduced to an undying supply of heroin. The first capsules were shitty compared to future purchases, but at the time it was the best feeling I'd ever experienced. Now I've progressed to quality capsules of scramble ($10 each), vials of high purity dope ($20 each), and nearly pure dope right off a brick ($60 - $100 a gram). I buy every weekend with the money I can spare, but it's usually gone by Monday or Tuesday, and I don't drive up to get more until Saturday. If I lived 5 minutes away, I'd certainly be physically addicted, but the distance is what keeps me a chipper.

[sidman]

no no no no nooooooooooo!!!!

[sidman]

uhhhh, that is.....at least it's not possible FOR ME!!

[Coddfish]

Uuuuhhh. . . . . It's a word, isnt it? "Chipping?" It came from somewhere, so it must exist. Someone can do it, just no one I know. And SWIM, I mean I could never do it.

[THEPAINTER1960]

I once lived a long way from dealer, but ended up enjoying the trip(ie became part of the habit) esp nodding on the bus on way home and ending up miles away from home lol. And morphine should be more available, much better idea than hooking us on methadone(long acting, therefore long withdrawing).
Not for me. I remember back in the early 1980's. I used to drive from Rhode Island to Harlem in N.Y.C. and back . IT was almost a 7 hour drive back and forth. IT was just the more i had the more i would do. No chipping.

[junkiebrewster]

Some people can chip.

I can't however.

Damnit.

[sidman]

It is amazing that in the "poll result's", yes and no are neck-n-neck for the lead!! That's what I'd call a "hot topic!!"

[Opiyum]

I chip in the sense that I like to go through withdrawals once a month and no more. Does that still count? Withdrawals, to me, are like a punch in the gut. It can be good sometimes...lets you know your still alive.

All joking aside I've been good about using sporatically for about two years now. Aside from a few fuck-ups that only led to minor withdrawals I'm doin' pretty good.

Recently I've found something that makes it way easier to "Chip". I got a job. It keeps me busy during the day and it's tireing so it puts me to sleep at night (that and the trazadone).

The down side, which hasn't happend with this job yet, is having minor withdrawals and having to get up at four thirty am for work. I guess its not so hard to get up though if you havent slept.

So is it possible for me? So far it is. Of course I havent gotten my first paycheck yet.

[cori]

chipping is the only way i have ever used. i was actually able to convince myself i had it under control because i habitually chipped/ and was in college. but it is a bitch, i dont know if its a fear thing or what (not being able to afford such a life style finatially or physically) but ive never been able to maintain the life for more than a week or two.

[Cybershark]

I chip all the time. I work during the week and then do one or 2 Oxy 80's on Friday and Saturday night and then chill out and have a few drinks in the evenings during the week and that is it. I also eat hydro's with the OC 80's as well on the weekend. For me it is a great party on the weekend's and reality and work during the week. I could do it every day but then my life style and good living would most likely be destroyed so I try to think smart and do it responsibly if that is really what you would really call it LOL!

[Mrs. Killer]

I think that "chipping" IS possible - but you have to have VERY strong will power, because otherwise you'll just end up falling right back into using everyday - believe me, I'm speaking from experience!! It can be done, but as I just said, you have to be VERY careful about it, and just try sticking to the weekends or like you originally said, every three or four days or whatever. ZK and I have tried doing the whole chipping thing, and it's worked for us and then it hasn't worked for us - so it can end up going both ways! We had been in a really long binge peroid of using every single day for almost a month or more, and then stopped and went back onto the sub for a while, and only used on the weekends, like Friday and Saturday nights - and sometimes even on Sunday too, but then went back onto the sub for the whole week, and we found that by doing that, it made the weekends all that much better, because even being on sub for a week made it seem like our tolerance went down a little bit. (I don't know if that's really true or if it was just all in our heads, but it really seemed to make the H all that much more enjoyable when we finally did do some on the weekends...) So yes, in my opinion it can be done, but as I said, you just have to use a great deal of will power and NOT use during the week, or whatever time period that you're trying not to use.
However, (and I'm totally going to contradict myself here..but oh well!!!) part of me also believes that you CAN get away with chipping.....for a while - but eventually you will ALWAYS fall back into your old ways and start using everyday again. (Also speaking from experience!) So I guess I'm not all that sure WHAT I exactly think on this topic - because as I've just said, I've had it work, but then again, it always seems like eventually we always end up back in our old pattern again!!!
So anyhow - I know that I've just basically said "yes, you can get away w/ chipping..." but then I've also said, "no - you can't, because you're eventually going to fall back into your old ways..." so I'm sure a lot of you think that I sound like a big moron - telling you both things, but that's just me speaking from my own personal experience, and obviously I can't speak for anyone but myself, so I guess my advice to you (if you're really trying to make the whole chipping thing work for you) would be to just try your hardest to ONLY use on the weekends or whatever specific days that you want to use, and then try your hardest not to use on those other days - because I've really found that by taking that little break in between using REALY makes it all that much more enjoyable once you DO use again! So maybe just try thinking of it that way - like you'll be giving yourself a little reward of sorts once it comes time to use again!!!
Anyhow, I have NO idea if any of what I've just said makes any sense to you, or has helped answer your question in any way - but I guess I just thought that I'd share my own personal opinion and experience with you in hopes that it might help you in some way! I hope it's working for you, take care, and hang in there!!! Later!
Mrs. K :p

[clinton]

i think anythings possible if you use self control and dont let the drugs control you....
i take 300 mg of perduratas (broken up of course) about every three days, and drink poppy seed tea about once a week.....i get tempted to take more pills or drink more than once a week but then remember the pain of being addicted to adderral....i dont want to feel that way ever again....
i simply make myself aware of what im doing and use self control.....

[WarmCyanide]

good post mrs k btw even though your avatar freaks me out.:o


anyone here a habitual user/addict of one substance and a chipper of another substance???

beavs demon is the sauce, then chip with good ole opey

[illchemist]

I totally agree with Cybershark. If your standard of living is very high and you lead a productive life, physically, mentally and spiritually, you can reward youself with opiates after a hard week of work. If you don't have these basics down, no opiates. They are not he answer.

[schumer]

good post mrs k btw even though your avatar freaks me out.:o


anyone here a habitual user/addict of one substance and a chipper of another substance???

beavs demon is the sauce, then chip with good ole opey

:drink: I FEEL YOUR PAIN. I quit drinking at the age of 12 RIGHT AFTER I DISCOVERED THE FUNNEL:drinkit: . SHHHEEEEOOOW takin a drink scares the shit outta me. In no time flat I'd be postin from the COUNTY JAIL. My brother and I got in more trouble than the AVERAGE BEARS,,YEEAHAW

:hangloose Fuckin-A-Bubba,,,If we are putting it that way,,,,I guess I's been chippin for the past 26 years then. My drug of choice was always AL-KEE-HUAL .

BOOZE,,,, You know it's kinda like Ketchup,, It goes good with everything.:cloud9:,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The new demon is OPIE.

When I went into the DT's that experience don't hold a shine to that trip to TURKEY TOWN YAWL :uhhohh:
That got my attention. Kinda like I got my first wife's attention holding her out a 10 story window one night while imbibing quite heavily upon OLD #7 Jack Daniel, amonst many other things that are available to those that work in hospitals. She refused to give me the wrench for the NITROUS TANK. Seems she was getting a little scared since we kept going into siezures falling out, coming to after writhing around on the floor like a worm on hot asphzlt. When we came too,,,, instead of coming up for air we went right back to the GAS.

I was kind irritated to say the least. Needless to say she was gone the next morning. I was so far out there it didn't sink in till somebody asked me where she was. Ah yes they were right being young was wasted on my YOUNG PERSON. Up untill I hit 23,, in my case it certainly was true. Aint had a DROP since then. I got sober around a week after they found JOHN BELUSHI dead.

Point is THE BOOZE JUST LIKE all this other stuff was a 900# gorilla on my back. For some reason that sunk in for me when it came to the sauce. Sittin in the corner dozin & droolin doesn't quite set off as many ALARM BELLS. FLYING UNDER THE RADAR SCREEN in MID LIFE CRISIS YAWL.

Now I just gotta figure out if I'm going back out there whilst keepin the new DOGS AT BAY with the new LEASH. Good OLE,,ORANGE FLAVORED TANG,, the under the tongue or up the SNUFF-A-LOF-AGOs choice of the NEW GENERATION of P-FUNK AFRONAUGHTS,,,, SUB-OX-ONE-SPO-DE-IOTY pass tab to me.


I have been off all things other than SUB for nearly 4 months. I have been flat out there lately:juggle: I knows there's got to be some George Clinton Parliment/FUNKADELIC fans out there. Am I that friggin old YAWL?????? I wants my FUNK UNCUT make mine the P FUNK.

[schumer]

I totally agree with Cybershark. If your standard of living is very high and you lead a productive life, physically, mentally and spiritually, you can reward youself with opiates after a hard week of work. If you don't have these basics down, no opiates. They are not he answer.

Therein lies the delima. We all got a way out now,,the SUB. I can now play with a way out easily afforded. I was am & still will be a civilized productive citizen. I just played toooooo long tooo many times.

However if you want to play with GOOD STUFF, & I do not necessarily mean the ILLEGAL stuff ,,,sooner or later it just might bite you in your hind end. I thought I could handle it after being clean 20 years. Please do not get the wrong idea ladies & gentlemen.

I do not come to judge nor slay Ceaser folks. No ETOU Brutus here,,, LOL

However if you are indeed as dignified as you condescendingly sanctify with your seeming judgment of those bitten by sista morphine; you may be one of the lucky folks that can put stuff of any form down and walk away. I'd lay odds,,,, keep fucking around with the OPPPIES and you might find you are not,,,ANY TAKERS???????

That said,,,I truly hope for you sir that never rather than sooner, the once playful cocker spaniel that brings such OCCSIONAL JOY you never find to be one mean MFER of a snarling ROTTWILER uninvitedly hunching your leg 24hrs a day; refusing to be shaken off just cusz you believe you are such a productive soul.

It sure happened to me and I sure as hell knew better. I guess I was right when I admitted I am truly powerless when it comes to ANY & ALL INSTANTANEOUS GRATIFICATION. Call me weak or whatever from those "for now" stable IVORY TOWERs,,,,,,FACT IS,,,I just DIG GETTING FUNKED UP YAWL. Can i get an AMEWN from the back row where all us fuck ups hang out YYYEAAAHAW.

[pointed]

A closely related question, with likely different answers for different people, would be,
"how long can one maintain a moderate habit before changes in body/brain chemistry make reverting to 'normalcy' uncomfortable even after prolonged abstinence?" Then there is the matter of those for whom opiates work to stabilize an endorphin imbalance.

I'm of the opinion that legal opiates of decent quality ought to be available for anyone in this situation. Sure, currently Methadone and Bupe are available, but one is among the hardest to ever get off, and the other is unaffordable for most.

Suggestion for any DEA lurkers: Now that heroin has been so thoroughly demonized over the last 75 years, senselessly, so that it's too politically painful to reverse that disasterous course, why not make morphine more widely available? Such a policy would be right in line with the hypocratic oath. Think of the social good this would do: pain patients suffer less, less "drug related" (ie prohibition related) crime, less AIDS. Less money in the hands of narcotraficantes, more money in the hands of the IRS.

But such a policy would make entirely too much sense - just as much as legalizing marijuana, which we all know our duly elected government will not even consider. Nuts.
Tut, tut! The hypocritical oath applies to junkies about as much as logic applies to government!

[CUBErt]

I have chipped successfully for a while. During the school year I tried to restrict my use to just the weekends. It was tough watching all my friends ditch class to fo pick up dope, but I managed for a time. Then, as the end of senior year approached and everyone started to slack off, so did I in my own unique way. Then summer vacation arrived, which sealed my fate : /

[ItchyandScratchy]

Chipping is possible for some people as I have seen them do it, but I doubt if it is possible for someone that is a full blown addict to come back and just be a chipper. I know I could never be a chipper. With me, it is all or nothing. I didn't read all three pages of posts, so you fellas have my permission to publicly humiliate me if this has already been said.

[shaunclo]

I doubt if it is possible for someone that is a full blown addict to come back and just be a chipper. I know I could never be a chipper. With me, it is all or nothing

I think this is the best way to put it. If you have ever crossed that line of addiction and lost control, then I dont think it is possible for you to ever become a successful chipper thereafter. But if you have been a successful chipper for all of your years while using, than maybe you have a chance.

I think fuckin around with opiates is kinda like that one saying the motor-cycilists use -

There are 2 types of riders, those who have fallen down, and those who are going down.

[Curio]

I think this is the best way to put it. If you have ever crossed that line of addiction and lost control, then I dont think it is possible for you to ever become a successful chipper thereafter. But if you have been a successful chipper for all of your years while using, than maybe you have a chance.
I think fuckin around with opiates is kinda like that one saying the motor-cycilists use -
There are 2 types of riders, those who have fallen down, and those who are going down.
reminds me of my job, working as a medic, I hear a lot of people say the reason they won't wear a seatbelt is because they are afraid of being trapped in the wreckage....want to be "thrown clear" lol....yeah they get thrown clear for sure...
sorry off topic :D

[mamasou]

Hi!

I really think this is a very interesting poll-topic!

But first i believe that a clean definition of the term "chipping" should be applied that we could all understant.

To me "chipping" is using opiates in such a way that one never becomes physically dependent and when not using never goes through serious physical withdrawal symptoms: diarrhea, abdominal pain, nausea, insomnia, muscle pain, fevers, sweating, and runny nose and eyes.

Or is it not???

Please I want your thoughts on that.

[Undermywheels74]

I think chipping will lead into a habit eventually. I know from fact..my H use was a weekend thing..then weekend and a few nights after work..then weekends, everynight after work and sometimes in the morning...by then i was gone. I think doing it hardcore for a weekend then laying off it for a few works best for me..i still use occasionally and thats how i do it. But i guess most of this depends on how your body is and how strong you will is.

[SmackTalkw/RushLimbo]

If you can put up with five days of constantly thinking about the weekend, WD's, and abstaining from DOC chipping is possible.

[WarmCyanide]

If you can put up with five days of constantly thinking about the weekend, WD's, and abstaining from DOC chipping is possible.


my friend in the looking glass does steady flow small amounts 7 days. having good luck but it's a hair trigger game and one must be aware of that.

[Curio]

my friend in the looking glass does steady flow small amounts 7 days. having good luck but it's a hair trigger game and one must be aware of that.

Her name Alice by any chance? Or by "looking glass" do you mean the feds with their binoculars?
lol....:p

yep ima dork
ty ty tyvm...:cool:

[repeek]

I once lived a long way from dealer, but ended up enjoying the trip(ie became part of the habit) esp nodding on the bus on way home and ending up miles away from home lol. And morphine should be more available, much better idea than hooking us on methadone(long acting, therefore long withdrawing).

I did the same thing only I drove, I ended up picking up enough to last till the weekend when I would make that trip and would make the 300 mile trip in withdrawl every weekend. I eventually found a connect closer to home, but would still make the trip when I could because the dope was better and cheaper in the big city.

I would be fighting to keep from nodding off all the way back. Crazy.

[trainwrecker]

^ I hate the exact same experience. I used to drive 4 hours each way, stopping to shit and puke on the way there, nodding off like a mother on the way back. I swear I must have had a guardian angle steering me as I slept, speeding down icy northern michigan highways with deer lined up on the side of the road.

[Powdered Love]

If you chip long enough, the tree will fall down... :(

But for me, I have been chipping for about 5 years now. I've only had full blown withdrawl ONE TIME when i went on a three week long morphine bender (best 3 weeks of my life tho :D )... I feel that if I stick to OCs and Hydros and excercise some self control that I'll be okay. Most of the time if I go on a bender, after about 4-5 days I will begin to get negative effects more pronounced than the positive ones, so I end up stopping short of getting full blown WDs anyway. That's really how i've managed not to become a true addict.

[alowishus]

Ah, there are those words.....but tell me what is a true addict?
I know I wouldn't fit the description, right? Maybe.
By my definition an addict would be someone who can't stop drinking/using/taking/abusing a certain subtance or anything for that matter. A true addict, in my definition, would be the same person who knows he's an addict and has stopped lying to himself.
See the trees for that forest grasshopper.

[WarmCyanide]

Ah, there are those words.....but tell me what is a true addict?
I know I wouldn't fit the description, right? Maybe.
By my definition an addict would be someone who can't stop drinking/using/taking/abusing a certain subtance or anything for that matter. A true addict, in my definition, would be the same person who knows he's an addict and has stopped lying to himself.
See the trees for that forest grasshopper.


i like the stop lying to himself part. too true.

also i heard someone say you know your in is when you use DOC as a "tool" but that sounds vague to me. like a glass of wine at party to make one chatty? nah.

I think an addict is one who is addicted.:p

anyone in here believe they use drugs, instead of ABusing? or is that considered chipping? fuck. full circle!

[orangejuice]

Well, about the lying to ones self, i like that to an extent. Reason i say that is because, you can very well be an addict and not say you are. Denial is the word. i didnt admit that i was an addict until a few years after i started using. In hindsight i was an "addict" the first few times i used.
This question was asked to us when i was in treatment the last time, my answer was " a person that HAS to abuse a chemical in order to live a "normal" life. This of course doesnt include being a CP patient, although some are addicts themselves. Cliches like "we used to live and lived to use" and "one is too many and a thousand is never enough" i like those to an extent too. I dunno, i guess there is no real definition to an addict IMO i think each addict defines it themselves in the way their habits are. My 2 cents.

[alowishus]

Well in clinical terms you can have ONE beer in your whole life and depending on the REASON you had said beer could determine if you are an alcoholic or not. I don't think it's that way but I'm not the one running the rehad.....ehh. It's your own world you build, only you really know. I got in some issues when I was drinking back when I was yound and stupid, and the court sent me to be evaluated be some shmuck that twisted every word I said to be a cry for help, and told the court I was an alcoholic and needed to be placed in a state inpatient rehab, best 23 days of my life (can you smell the bitterness) well I wasn't there to get out of jail time and I was able to form pretty good sentences and asked questions about everything and said "but why..." every chance I got (12 step bollox) the others started to ask the same things after awhlie, like why is it that I'll be cured just as my insurance runs out, or I don't need a higher power; why can't I believe in myself...? Things like that. They let me out a week early... well I did have a problem when I drank, I would drink all night until something fun happened and sometimes you had to make your own fun, I didn't have a problem not drinking, in fact I don't like drinking that much; I could have two beers and the next morning have the most worst fucking headache... now, I may have a beer at the game but that's it, I think it's been forever since I got a good buzz. I don't have a problem anymore, so to say once an alcoholic always an alcoholic, maybe for some people but not in my world, not the world I build.

If I had the means and the ways I could be Robert jr's character in the movie Less than Zero, easy, although it wouldn't be crack I'd be fucking up my life over. My devils could easily over take my life. I haven't got as low as I could, I say that w/ a smile and a frown!!:p

I just can't let it happen, for my son, for my wife......When I came clean to her about 4-6 months ago about being unable/unwilling to stop taking pods, (I'm just not ready for the W/D's man, after what, about 3-4 yr straight) but know that some time in the VERY NEAR future I will be forced too.....I know some will not agree and I know sometimes I think it's not the case but for some it's just a matter of will power.

Rationalizations about what you are and how you live your life are the real killers, yes denial, once your true to yourself and have accetped who you are, chipper or junkie, your life will become much easier to build as you see fit.

[Chipper]

It better be ... and it's v-e-r-y tricky. I tell myself "I don't need a habit. I don't want a habit. I can't afford a habit".

The reward is when you finally give in to the urge. Oh, it's easy to O/D, btw

[satori]

I dont take a lot and have few physical WD affects. Usual does a day is (or was up untill a few days ago) 50mg hydrocodone or 300-400 codeine. Since this has gone on for quiet a long time the lack of dose is made up for in regularity of doses. Nearly same time and same way taken everyday makes the habit harder to keep away.

As far as chipping.... i have either ran out or didnt. In fact right when im about to run out i usualy end up taking 2x the dose as a send off (using up the last two normal doses) instead of being smart and tapering a bit. I did that with oxy a few years back and had to go into the doc after two days of WD. Doc gave me 4, 10mg IR. I was honest and said i was addicted i didnt want to be any more etc etc just needed to take the edge off. Nurse was nice, it was a doctor i hadnt seen before because my main one was out but she was very upfront. She said i dont know if your being honest or if you have taken other things on the side but i will assume your telling me the truth. That was the only time i didnt just stop "cold turkey".

[satori]

i like the stop lying to himself part. too true.

also i heard someone say you know your in is when you use DOC as a "tool" but that sounds vague to me. like a glass of wine at party to make one chatty? nah.

I think an addict is one who is addicted.:p

anyone in here believe they use drugs, instead of ABusing? or is that considered chipping? fuck. full circle!


A doctor is a tool to be used period. You get them to write u perscription for antibiotic if your sick, cough medicine when you have brhonchitus and allergy meds when its that time of the year. Sometimes you have to get the doctors to see things your way because you know your body and what you want to be done. AN addict is addicted to X drug. I dont think a doctor plays a huge role one way or another except maybe a catalyst if they perscribe 120 OC's for an ankle injury lol.

[Layne777]

I've given this some amount of thought, and my opinion is thus:

Chipping is a heck of a lot easier if it is all you have every known. And that I think relates to your predisposition toward use/abuse. For example, from SWIM's first use he was sliding toward inevitable consistent application. That was never in question. And now, a chippers lifestyle would only be a cruel hoax. But for someone who had a different take on the experience (and there are many, who I have personally known), then they would treat the opiates like a cold beer, or a joint, to be enjoyed and forgotten until the next time. So I think it has less to do with willpower than with your own psychological makeup.

This is a great poll BTW, fascinating like so much of O.org :-)

[SuperJunky]

Oh, it's easy to O/D, btw

Kinda off topic here but I've found that its actually quite hard to OD, wether your an addict or a chipper. Every one I've sen OD hasnt even done enough to the point were you would think they would OD tolerance wise, it seems to have a lot more to do w/ the persons state of mind. Like sudden upheavels in ones life, being homeles, getting high not because its fun and you want to, or because you have to, but simply to blow it all away, thats when people od. I've sen people take way more than they should be able to handle and make it through it ok, and then seen people that can normally do enough to kill a horse drop off a half a bag or just two stamps. I definatly realize that every person has there limit, but I also believe that the limit is set by a lot of variables, the most important one being a will to live, or not caring so much in that department, fallowed by length of use, then tolerance and the persons genral health. Just my 2 cents and experience.

I think I answered this thread a long time ago but I have a new view on chipping, you can chip untill you become an addict, at wich point your no longer chipping. Then your an addict untill you again become a chipper. Who was saying what about full circle?

[Duckfeet]

I know everybody's different. I've gone long periods, years, off the shit, but can't anymore, not lately anyway. I think once I crossed a certain line, my tolerance got real low, I get strung out easy, and it's never changed. I've known people, seemed like they "chipped," but it was usually more due to availability than any determination. I know me, if I'm doing it, and it's around regular, and I have--or can get--money, I'm strung out. It's always hard to explain--or defend--rationally. It's like, once u figure it out, it's usually too late. I mean in hindsight, maybe I say, well I never should have slammed, or I should have stayed out of Orange County, or shoulda coulda, who knows, but I'm a full blown junky, and I see others kind of sliding down the same path, and they are as sure as I once was, that it'll never happen to them...

[oxymoron]

I know everybody's different. I've gone long periods, years, off the shit, but can't anymore, not lately anyway. I think once I crossed a certain line, my tolerance got real low, I get strung out easy, and it's never changed. I've known people, seemed like they "chipped," but it was usually more due to availability than any determination. I know me, if I'm doing it, and it's around regular, and I have--or can get--money, I'm strung out. It's always hard to explain--or defend--rationally. It's like, once u figure it out, it's usually too late. I mean in hindsight, maybe I say, well I never should have slammed, or I should have stayed out of Orange County, or shoulda coulda, who knows, but I'm a full blown junky, and I see others kind of sliding down the same path, and they are as sure as I once was, that it'll never happen to them...

Well put mighty duck. With me it's all or nothing, moderation was never a strong point of mine. No matter what I do, I DO IT! I've only been using opies for a few years, started with vikes, moved up to oxies, morphine, and dilaudid. I love tar when I can get it, but it's always a mission to score it. I got a bunch of morphine cheap, keeps me well, but I don't like it like D or Oxy. Being a dope fiend isn't as great as movies and tv would have you believe:jk::rolleyes: I'm either clean or strung out, it seems, hard to stand on the edge of the fence.

[HistoryofMadness]

i'm sure i've said this in here once before, but in case you missed it:

chipping is a phase of the process, not a description of a person's use. if you never stop chipping you are by definition of an addict, because you never know if you can quit until you actually try.

i believe strongly that 'chipping' is a word that junkies use to describe their behavior when they know people who use more. just because you don't use everyday and don't have WD symptoms doesn't mean you aren't addicted.

addiction is much more than being physically dependant on a drug.

the games we play with ourselves.

[Duckfeet]

i'm sure i've said this in here once before, but in case you missed it:

chipping is a phase of the process, not a description of a person's use. if you never stop chipping you are by definition of an addict, because you never know if you can quit until you actually try.

i believe strongly that 'chipping' is a word that junkies use to describe their behavior when they know people who use more. just because you don't use every day and don't have WD symptoms doesn't mean you aren't addicted.

addiction is much more than being physically dependant on a drug.

the games we play with ourselves.

Yeah, you're right. I guess my only comfort is knowing/believing that "they" (non-addicts) too, have all kinds of delusional crap they pull, just to put one foot in front of the other. The human condition, and our understanding of it, is not a comforting area of study, if looked at without blinders...if that is possible..

[Chipper]

Chipper considers himself psychologically addicted and believes the "once an addict, always an addict" adage. Chipping or not chipping.

[Dolomiti]

chipping is a phase of the process, not a description of a person's use. if you never stop chipping you are by definition of an addict, because you never know if you can quit until you actually try.



What does 'quitting' mean then? How long must a person stop to have been considered to have quit? Or is every former heroin user an addict for an indefinite period of time...

I don't really understand. It's like someone who drinks every day saying that "people who drink once a week are addicts too - they just are lying to themselves about it".

[nick]

I'm clean and I'm still an addict-I think I always will be.

[HistoryofMadness]

What does 'quitting' mean then? How long must a person stop to have been considered to have quit? Or is every former heroin user an addict for an indefinite period of time...

I don't really understand. It's like someone who drinks every day saying that "people who drink once a week are addicts too - they just are lying to themselves about it".

there is a very small percentage of the population that enjoys getting high occasionally for say 6 months or so and then they never touch anything again.

for the rest of us, quitting means not using but it doesn't mean you're not an addict... what do you not understand? i'm not saying someone's an addict because i'm saying it, i'm saying someone's an addict because they are.

[Duckfeet]

there is a very small percentage of the population that enjoys getting high occasionally for say 6 months or so and then they never touch anything again.

for the rest of us, quitting means not using but it doesn't mean you're not an addict... what do you not understand? i'm not saying someone's an addict because i'm saying it, i'm saying someone's an addict because they are.

I think once the "disease concept" entered the debate, and once there was a profit to be made in people "treating" these diseases, the argument on "what an addict is", took on all kinds of new and strange byways. I mean, we all know when we see a full blown heroin addict all strung out, and I guess we all know the citizen who doesn't have a problem, but again, there are just huge political and social implications now, to being an addict, some people even seeming to believe being an addict seems to bring on a bit of nobility or victim status, and the: "I'm not a bad person, I just have a disease,"...your honor....or "honey," and on and on.

Why these topics often seem endless, too...and I think many of us just rebel at being labeled...while others, seem thrilled to *have* a label to cling to...and then there are people that want to show whatever they are doing in a positive light, whether it's use of heroin or methadone/bup maintenance or AA, whatever....I'm always open to people seeing their lives in a positive light, as long as they don't need to bash other lives along the way...

Mystery to me. I'm an addict, but I don't feel like definining it, since it will bring on all kinds of arguments, and probably hurt feelings and irritation LOL... ;-)

[HistoryofMadness]

I think once the "disease concept" entered the debate, and once there was a profit to be made in people "treating" these diseases, the argument on "what an addict is", took on all kinds of new and strange byways. I mean, we all know when we see a full blown heroin addict all strung out, and I guess we all know the citizen who doesn't have a problem, but again, there are just huge political and social implications now, to being an addict, some people even seeming to believe being an addict seems to bring on a bit of nobility or victim status, and the: "I'm not a bad person, I just have a disease,"...your honor....or "honey," and on and on.



yeah i hear ya... i don't really buy into the disease model as it stands right now... just a little hokey for me.

[AWOL]

I have a disease, but syphilis is treaded these days quickly with an antibiotic

[Dolomiti]

for the rest of us, quitting means not using but it doesn't mean you're not an addict... what do you not understand?

I probably wasn't sure what you ment... misinterpreted. It seemed to me you were saying that all chippers are addicts.

i'm not saying someone's an addict because i'm saying it, i'm saying someone's an addict because they are.


That I do not understand. "They are an addict because they are an addict"

[scarlett44]

I get really confused on this subject. About 6 years ago, after i had my first child, they gave me Tylox when I went home. I took it just like i was suppose to and when it was gone it was gone. No biggie. I threw out plenty of hydrocodone and percodan one time because it had expired. But then 3 years ago, I was prescribed hydros for headaches and i got so addicted. I was under a lot of stress and hated my job, I guess i wanted anything to make me happy. Now i cant seem to get off of them. I took them for several surgeries in high school and half the time i didnt finish the bottle. So will i ever get back to that point where i dont crave them? I mean, once they are out of my system?

[Chipper]

I doubt if it is possible for someone that is a full blown addict to come back and just be a chipper.

On the contrary, for me it's the fear of another habit (and w/d's) that steers me towards chipping. It's also a financial thing. But, I don't know how I would react if you gave me an endless supply of free H.

[HistoryofMadness]

I probably wasn't sure what you ment... misinterpreted. It seemed to me you were saying that all chippers are addicts.
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That I do not understand. "They are an addict because they are an addict"

ok well not all chippers are addicts but many are...

the second thing was because I thought you were saying addicts (me being one) call chippers addicts to make us feel not quite so lonely... as if there's some sort of jealousy...

i just meant that I feel safe saying i'm at least mostly objective, and would never accuse anyone of being an addict unless i was fairly certain they are one...

there is a lot of grey, mostly due to semantics, in this subject, so at some point we just get into definitions... therefore i'm trying to quit... this labellization that is...

[Skript]

I dont think chipping is possible.. Once you have been addicted you will never be a chipper.
I have a couple friends that can do 5 or 6 80s with me and when its gone they will go a week or more without and never get hooked. Its a 1 way portal no goin back

[CUBErt]

Well my living situation forces me to "chip" with one or two weekends a month of usage.

However, its that time of month again :cool:
This time had some dope brought to me and enough to last for a little while until I can perhaps travel to snag some more. In case I run out early I got Suboxone on hand. Tonight I just snorted a few spoonfuls and went over and smoked some bowls at a friend's, and then some hookah. Fortunately they had a nice roll of foil there for the hookah so I grabbed some and pocketed it (I have nothing but ratty old brittle pieces here). One guy noticed and asked what I was doing and I was like "Oh man I'm about to come up on some hash oil." Works every time


Well have a good night everyone, about to break in my new foil and then this is me:

:cloud9:

(Oh and yes school is going fine)

[euphoria2002]

Yes it's possible. Also, just because one individual CAN'T chip, that doesn't automatically mean nobody else can either.

I've been doing an average of once a week usage for the last couple of years. My tolerance wasn't too bad until I tried pods for a couple of months. It's still not too bad (80mg of oxycodone will take pretty good care of things).

Why is it possible for some and not for others? That's the real question. Different personal circumstances, different personalities..... anyone care to comment?

[dimebagaboy]

I TRY CHIPPING AND IT WORKS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS THEN BEFORE U KNOW IT ,ITS BACK TO THE SAME OL SAME JUNKIE ASS MUTHAFUKKIN BEHAVIOR WE ALL KNOW HOW IT GOES BUT I DO REALIZE THAT WHEN I DO CHIP I ALWAYS HAVE ALOT MORE CASH ON ME,IM THE TYPE THAT IF I HAVE 500 BUCKS IM BUYING 50 BAGS OF DOPE, RIGHT NOW I SPEND ABOUT 125-200 A WEEKEND ON HEROIN AND THE REST OF THE WEEK I GET BY ON ROXI 30S AND XANAX IT SUX BUT IT WORKS IF HEROIN DIDNT PUT U THRU HELL WHEN U DONT HAVE ID BE ON IT THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!!THATS REAL TALK!

[loves a b....]

personally I don't think it's possible...LUVS IT TOOOOO MUCH!!

[euphoria2002]

I chip all the time. I work during the week and then do one or 2 Oxy 80's on Friday and Saturday night and then chill out and have a few drinks in the evenings during the week and that is it. I also eat hydro's with the OC 80's as well on the weekend. For me it is a great party on the weekend's and reality and work during the week. I could do it every day but then my life style and good living would most likely be destroyed so I try to think smart and do it responsibly if that is really what you would really call it LOL!

This is pretty much exactly the same thing that I do. Funny, but on a different thread a member claimed I was deluding myself by thinking I wasn't hooked.

Chipping is possible..... all it takes is some willpower. If my personal circumstances were different, if I was unemployed and single I might get completely hooked. As it is, I know that it's a slippery slope but so far I holding my place quite nicely. 'Course, some individuals don't want to hear that.


Euphoria2002

[robojunkie]

This is pretty much exactly the same thing that I do. Funny, but on a different thread a member claimed I was deluding myself by thinking I wasn't hooked.

Chipping is possible..... all it takes is some willpower. If my personal circumstances were different, if I was unemployed and single I might get completely hooked. As it is, I know that it's a slippery slope but so far I holding my place quite nicely. 'Course, some individuals don't want to hear that.


Euphoria2002

Euphoria,

I'm not gonna comment or judge someone else's own perception of their use. Or at least I try not to. Only that person can do that. Just wanted to ask you one thing though, without the whole "what is addiction?" thing. Just agreeing on the basic premise that there are levels of "addiction" wouldn't you say that someone who is a complete non-"addict" wouldn't need willpower as they, not being even slightly dependent, would just be able to take or leave here and there and not think twice about it? I mean me personally, I am a junkie, although I have been able to get through some hard times with willpower, though sadly will power like free will is not infinite.

So I guess I'm asking what you think of this as one who has said they are a chipper. Do you think the need for will power to prevent daily use/addiction/etc is a sign, albeit it a low or beginning one, of the tendency towards that direction, ie dependency? Again I'm not saying "you are this or you are that" I'm just asking what you think of this distinction, or do you think this is even worthy of being considered a distinction? BTW, obviously, either way, successful use of will power to control use is still far from full blown dependency IMO. Although I tend to believe its one of the early steps in that direction personally.

[Somanax]

There are no chippers .you either are or are not , no grey space ,A chip is a slack excuse for being scared of being an addict . accept or, deny your own behavior...:) your choice peace, or annihilation of, and to yourself STILL A GREAT ???????

[euphoria2002]

Robo, that's a really good way of putting it! I totally agree with you!

Here's the way I look at it. Some people take opiates for , let's say, a broken leg. They don't like it! They don't like the dizzy feeling, or the perceived tiredness. They don't like getting constipated, or they might have some bad nausea. For those people, willpower is not a factor since there was absolutely no perceived enjoyment from their drug experience.

Others, and this applies to all of us O'philes, DO enjoy the experience. We like the emotional detachment, the relaxation and the euphoria. So, since it feels good, we want to experience it more often. This is especially true if you don't have anything else to do. If we think about the consequences, we know that there will be a price to pay if we want to be high all the time. Increased use = more frequent enjoyment, but it also means spending more $$$, increased tolerance, dependency and eventual WD's.

That's where the willpower comes in. Maybe it's a little, maybe it's a lot. But everyone has an idea of when they're starting to do something too much or too often. You could even say everyone is addicted to something one way or another. It's how we balance those wants with the rest of our lives. Some people are willing to sacrifice so much to get high every day (eg. crack whore). They do things that are damaging to their health, their relationships, their self esteem etc. They function poorly compared to how they'd be doing if they were "clean".

At the other end of the spectrum, you have the people who keep things under control. Call them chippers or whatever you like. These are the people who use drugs but keep that use in balance with the rest of their lives. They have friends, jobs, families and responsibilities. Their health is good and (contrary to DEA propaganda) they enjoy their lives. Are they addicted? Am I? Sure, it's all in how you look at things.

Let's propose the concept that addiction, as a phenomenon, manifests itself over a broad spectrum. This spectrum could be expressed in terms of quality of life.

The powers that be don't want us to see things this way. They want us thinking that there's no in between. They want us to be scared of drugs, because they don't think it's safe for us to make up our own minds about these things.

Euphoria

[alowishus]

Robo, that's a really good way of putting it! I totally agree with you!

Here's the way I look at it. Some people take opiates for , let's say, a broken leg. They don't like it! They don't like the dizzy feeling, or the perceived tiredness. They don't like getting constipated, or they might have some bad nausea. For those people, willpower is not a factor since there was absolutely no perceived enjoyment from their drug experience.

Others, and this applies to all of us O'philes, DO enjoy the experience. We like the emotional detachment, the relaxation and the euphoria. So, since it feels good, we want to experience it more often. This is especially true if you don't have anything else to do. If we think about the consequences, we know that there will be a price to pay if we want to be high all the time. Increased use = more frequent enjoyment, but it also means spending more $$$, increased tolerance, dependency and eventual WD's.

That's where the willpower comes in. Maybe it's a little, maybe it's a lot. But everyone has an idea of when they're starting to do something too much or too often. You could even say everyone is addicted to something one way or another. It's how we balance those wants with the rest of our lives. Some people are willing to sacrifice so much to get high every day (eg. crack whore). They do things that are damaging to their health, their relationships, their self esteem etc. They function poorly compared to how they'd be doing if they were "clean".

At the other end of the spectrum, you have the people who keep things under control. Call them chippers or whatever you like. These are the people who use drugs but keep that use in balance with the rest of their lives. They have friends, jobs, families and responsibilities. Their health is good and (contrary to DEA propaganda) they enjoy their lives. Are they addicted? Am I? Sure, it's all in how you look at things.

Let's propose the concept that addiction, as a phenomenon, manifests itself over a broad spectrum. This spectrum could be expressed in terms of quality of life.

The powers that be don't want us to see things this way. They want us thinking that there's no in between. They want us to be scared of drugs, because they don't think it's safe for us to make up our own minds about these things.

Euphoria

Just wanted to ask a question, those peeps that don't like the opi buzz (I know many of them, live w/ one) but are on them for a month or more because of a Rx for a broken leg, cancer, anything; do you think they are addicted? I mean of course we can go round and round on this. I guess it is all rooted in your def. of addiction.



I really wish my post a couple days ago didn't go poof as I tried to reply, but what can you do. The main theme of that one was no one here wants you to lose; be a junkie, etc. No one is calling names.
So if you get that "oh yeah what ever feeling" from some of the replies, it's just that we've seen it, heard it, all before and mostly from our own mouths. And if helping you to see something that may be long off for you (or maybe not at all) that is something we've been through or are going through, that's all it is. No ill will mate.

I think Dave Chappelle said it:
Talking to a woman in a club all dressed up,
"You may not be a whore, but your wearing a whores' uniform." :D


Oh shit I just figured out that that was a different thread. :o

[CMonk]

Just wanted to ask a question, those peeps that don't like the opi buzz (I know many of them, live w/ one) but are on them for a month or more because of a Rx for a broken leg, cancer, anything; do you think they are addicted? I mean of course we can go round and round on this. I guess it is all rooted in your def. of addiction.


Interesting question. I think the main thing here, is that addiction needs to be divided between the physical and the psychological. I'm sure the majority of recreational users are addicted in both ways. The people you mentioned may only be physically addicted. Chippers are probably only psychologically addicted. Thankfully thats the category in which I currently belong, whether its out of will power or necessity is a whole other story.

[euphoria2002]

Now we have a real discussion going on!

Ok, I'm willing to admit I'm experiencing symptoms (signs?) of addiction. I think about getting high quite frequently. I maintain a good and varied supply of stuff I can use to get high whenever the mood strikes. What's more, I genuinely enjoy the experience.

From a functional viewpoint, I honestly think I've got things well in hand. My usage is holding steady at once a week.... and that's if I don't decide to skip a weekend. Flipside is helping me out with a plan so that I can actually reduce my tolerance, which resulted from less than 3 months of pod use.

Still, the question remains.... what is an addict? Take sex for example. Most everybody enjoys it.... especially guys. After your first fuck (or first 10 fucks) who ever just quits? Do we, as men, ever quit looking to get laid? Do we ever go more than a few hours without thinking about it? How many guys put up with incredible BS from a girlfriend just so they can keep getting some steady action? All of these things are perfectly normal, yet fit the pattern of addictive behavior.

When you do anything, and experience a pleasurable result, you just naturally want to do it again. That's a form of conditioning that even a first year psych student could recognize. So I'd say it again, addiction as a behavior, manifests itself across a broad spectrum of.....intensity? severity? hard to find the exact right word but I think you get the idea.

At the low end.... people like me, who keep doing it for the enjoyment....with low level effects on the rest of their life. In the middle, people who do drugs (or whatever else) to the point that it's having noticeable negative effects in other areas of their life..... but they still get along OK ie. they are still fairly functional. At the high end, you have extremely maladaptive behavior. The individual continues drug use even in full awareness of the destructive effects. They are virtually non-functional. Social life is a wreck, no friends, family has disowned them, incapable of employment, engaged in criminal activity to finance their habit, physical health damaged directly by use or indirectly through diease (HIV Hep C etc.)

So yeah, maybe some of my behaviors fit the definition of addiction, but I doubt I'll ever let things get out of balance. There's too many other things I enjoy in my life to give it all up just so I can be stoned all the time.

Question, are there any members here that feel they ARE addicted? If so, what was it that made them wonder whether or not they were hooked?

Euphoria

[alowishus]

Ok, I'm willing to admit I'm experiencing symptoms (signs?) of addiction. I think about getting high quite frequently.

That's the 1st step.

From a functional viewpoint, I honestly think I've got things well in hand.

Sorry but that's a addict talking if I ever heard one. Anyone else hear what I'm hearing???

Now as I said before, I'm not going "your a junkie, na na na nah na."
Just any "first year psych student could recognize" that as someone trying NOT to hear the truth.


Take sex for example..

Well I think you picked a bad example, 1st off, sex is an instinct, procreation is in all living things.
Now there are sex addicts but they a) they don't fit your def., b) they are mostly aware of their problem and c) are not doing it for pleasure, not the sexual kind anyway.

BUT I do see what your saying and I have all along.

What did you think about my question about the person w/ the Rx, are they an addict or just dependent?


So what you are saying is an addiction is ONLY an addiction when it has "noticeable negative effects in other areas of their life".

The def of ADDICTION:

is someone doing/using/taking something compulsively, despite their desire to stop or potential harm to themselves.

an emotional need for pain medication because of the feeling that is received from the medicine.

1. the state of being given up to some habit or compulsion. 2. strong physiological and psychological dependence on a drug or other psychoactive substance

A compulsive physiological craving for a habit-forming substance, addiction is a chronic and progressive disease usually characterized by physiological symptoms upon withdrawal.

Dependence on a chemical substance to the extent that a physiological and/or strong psychological need is established.


You don't have to get to the "high end" to be an addict. I think that is what we have been saying.


So yeah, maybe some of my behaviors fit the definition of addiction, but I doubt I'll ever let things get out of balance. There's too many other things I enjoy in my life to give it all up just so I can be stoned all the time.

You are judging yourself based on some pretty bad sterotype. It's called rationalization.

"just because I'm stealing pennies out of the need a penny take a penny tray doesn't mean I'm a CEO of Enron"

Stealing is stealing is stealing.

Question, are there any members here that feel they ARE addicted? If so, what was it that made them wonder whether or not they were hooked?

Me.
I'm a junkie. And I'm OK w/ it. I'm clean, have been, but just like you I want to use, but I can't. I don't have a closet full of stash or pills whenever I need.
Do I steal, rape, sell my kids..... nope.
I just get clean.
But not by chioce; which is what you say you have but have never NOT had the choice. If I have something I will use it, do it, LOVE IT until it's gone. It may not be everyday, but it would be close.

But by your def. I should:
have extremely maladaptive behavior. The individual continues drug use even in full awareness of the destructive effects. They are virtually non-functional. Social life is a wreck, no friends, family has disowned them, incapable of employment, engaged in criminal activity to finance their habit, physical health damaged directly by use or indirectly through diease (HIV Hep C etc.)

Do me a flavor, sit your wife down and tell her to be brutality honest w/ you, say you want the truth, not what you think I want to hear (I being you) and ask her w/o giving her a "look" how she feels about your using? Tell her there is no wrong answer.

I still think the true test is you ditching your stash. ;)

[euphoria2002]

Al, thanks for your reply.

I can see that you've got your position and I've got mine. It doesn't look like there's going to be a whole lot of overlap between the two.

I basically look at things in terms of balance. There's different things you want to do, or have, in your life. Some things are compatible with others. You like money, and don't mind getting an education and working hard..... chances are, you're gonna end up making some money. If you like money too much, you turn into a workaholic miser, your relationships might suffer, you might not have too many friends, the stress might eventually affect your health etc.

They key concept is balance. When the desire for any one thing becomes too strong, you get out of balance. To me, that's the key thing that explains addiction. Their drug use..... and desire for same, gets out of balance with the rest of their lives. This concept works with pretty much anything, sex, alcohol. work, drugs.... even some hard-core gamers.

So the way I see it, the truest test of an addict is whether or not their drug use is disrupting the balance in the rest of their life. I live in my own reality and you live in yours. We can both look at the same thing and see it 2 different ways. Yet, each of us would swear that we were the one who was seeing the truth.

That's the problem with truth. It's subjective and quite often no more than a flexible perception based on need. Why the need to be so obssesed with labels anyways? You can call me whatever you like. Maybe I am what you say I am.... according to you. But, if I'm living well, enjoying my life with my friends and family and everybody's happy..... then I gonna be the happiest most successful addict that ever lived.

Euphoria

[alowishus]

Yeah I said it before, we'll go round and round. ;)
BUT you've never said it the way you just did, balance.

OK I can get behind that, I'm a tree hugger from way back, I dig the ying & yang, all that General tso chicken and stuff :p .

No really I do believe in that very much.
But I think it's apples to durian. I have my touchy feely side but the cold clinical side mostly rules. I just don't think you have to fuck your life up and be addicted to something.

I mean, being an addict w/ means is a BIG difference. :D :D

Look at Sir Charles, he toss' money around like nothing; one mill on a game of cards, 50k a one golf shot...hell I'd love to be able to do that.

[euphoria2002]

There you go. Balance is the key. That's the whole idea that comes to mind when one thinks of an addict. There's something that's out of balance in their life. It doesn't have to be drugs either.

Look at your typical workaholic (interesting term btw). A lot of people might actually admire how hard he/she works at their job. You can bet their boss just loves them. But so many other aspects of their life suffer as a result. Why? Because they put such a high priority on their work it becomes out of balance with everything else.

For an addict, it's drug use that gets out of balance. My wife is actually a pretty good example. She was having some abdominal pains last year. These lasted for about 3 or 4 days. I got her some T3's and she wasn't shy about taking them. Then she got better.... and that was it, she hasn't taken anything since. Same thing with people that get Rx'd stuff from the hospital.

That's how things went with me. I'd never had anything in my life until I was almost 30. Then I had a kidney stone and they gave me some percs. Used them, the stone passed and that was it for the next year....when I got another stone. I got some T3's for that one (totally inadequate btw).

I didn't really start using until about three years ago. I had a bottle of demerols that had been laying around for almost 2 years. One night I figured I'd take a couple of those instead of having a beer. The opiate high was actually better than drinking and I didn't have to get all paranoid about getting pulled over coming home from a party.

Yeah, I think it would be hard to give it up completely. But not in a wd sense. More like how I'd feel if I had to go a week with no internet, or no TV, no workout at the gym ... or a week without getting laid. You don't get wd's but still you miss it because it's something you like to do. It's my life anyways. As long as my use doesn't get out of balance with the rest of my life, I'm fine with it.....never mind all the DEA/Republican Biblethumper do-gooder fearmongering anti-drug propaganda.

Euphoria

ps. After a high stress week of work, nothing centers my chi better than taking a little something, laying back in bed and just focusing on the rhythm of my breathing.

[HeidiW]

well, I can't center my chi w/out the use of a large quantity of opiates.
How's that in a nutshell, alow?;)

[euphoria2002]

Technically speaking, dependence is the physical need to take medication to prevent a withdrawl syndrome. Addiction is the continued use of a drug (and the compulsive searching for that drug) in spite of the harm that may come to the user.


I read this in another post. Just wish I could have put it so well, in so few words as Bronyraur did.

Euphoria

[Papa Verine]

I've been chipping for the past 6 months or so. In fact right now, I haven't used opiates in 15 days. With the exception of 2 batches of mildly potent seed teas. I didn't even rub my nose on that tea but point being...

...If you're willing to exept life without opiates is going to be very dull and unfullfilling, you can lick it. I go through long periods of W/D and semi-withdrawl regularly but I have to, just to be able to keep "chipping". Chipping is possible if you can endure some pain in between. That's all I'm saying.

And the length of time you can keep chipping before you end up a full-blown jukie is anyone's guess. It can sneak up on you at any time and before you know it you're not just chipping anymore. We call it playing with fire.

[RxQueen]

this is a great thread! i used to go round & round with myself on this issue. but eventually i got over it... it all ends up an issue of semantics for me, and i get frustrated with the inability of words to adequately cover the concepts. addiction, abuse, junky, chipper, blahblahblah....

i know that i spent my time in denial ("i'm not an addict", "i'd never let myself go that far", yada yada yada).... didn't like the way some of those words felt like labels, and derogatory ones, at that. but fuggit, they're just words. and they all apply to me; past, present, and as far as i can see, the future as well. the point that draws my interest these days is what alow & euphoria were discussing..... BALANCE. it's the one i'm trying to wrap my head around the most.

...If you're willing to exept life without opiates is going to be very dull and unfullfilling, you can lick it. I go through long periods of W/D and semi-withdrawl regularly but I have to, just to be able to keep "chipping". Chipping is possible if you can endure some pain in between. That's all I'm saying.

And the length of time you can keep chipping before you end up a full-blown jukie is anyone's guess. It can sneak up on you at any time and before you know it you're not just chipping anymore. We call it playing with fire.

i gotta agree with papa ver here, and it's a pretty balanced way of looking at it. and it can sneak up on ya, even once you know how to recognize it happening. what keeps me "chipping" right now is being broke and having very limited connects. but if i had just one or the other of those 2 things today, i'd probably be in bad shape inside of 2 weeks. but that's today, and by tomorrow i might feel like a "chipper by choice" instead of a chipper cuz i can't get enough of what i want. who said that thing about being a junky with means... yeah, if i was a trustfund baby or something, maybe i'd give up on chipping altogether. but then again, maybe i wouldn't? hmmmm....

that's (IMO) where the more personal lines get drawn.... as long as i'm not already physically dependent, that is, as in dopesick without it. my emotional state. sure, i've had a real shitty time of things this past year. and i went overboard (again) last summer. i was in a deep hole of depression because of losing my job, then getting evicted from my apartment (and no, that happened during a time when i wasn't using:p ). so once i got back in touch with the right people, i kept myself in a steady supply. i can look back honestly and see that i knew just what i was setting myself up for -- "pretty fire! i wanna plaaayyyy!" so the chipper comes off a long-ish "clean streak" and heads directly for "addict" with no in between. but by the time 2 months had gone by, the money was gone (had been saving up to buy a car.... oops). but is that why i stopped? hell no... i'm already 15K in debt.... like i didn't know how to take out a cash advance on a credit card! it was an improvement in my emotional state that allowed me to let myself run outta dope, and NOT call the man. and i suffered through another WD.

i know this got (kinda) off topic, but not really. (this is where i tie it back in to the BALANCE thang... watch!) so is it purely a rationalization to see my WD as the balance to my summer of too much fun? probably. does it matter to me? naw. i'm a junky, and addict, a chipper, a recreational user, an addict with months of clean time behind me, a down-and-out hittin-bottom-junky waitin to happen again. and about a thousand other things. but sometimes labels & words are fun to play with, and try to make fit. sometimes they're meaningless. mostly they're both.

so is chipping possible? sure. and no way, jose. and maybe. :rolleyes: i guess what i'm trying to say is that i don't have the answer, and i'm not certain that there IS an answer. not that there's anything wrong with that.... but it's always an interesting debate. :D

[euphoria2002]

Chipping is possible. The key word here is possible. Maybe the vast majority of users get hooked at some point (however one may choose to define what it is to be "hooked").

It's a slippery slope at the very least. One little lapse in self control and off you go into junkyland. But is it possible, for some individuals, to maintain intermittent use, infrequently enough that one never becomes physically dependant on the drugs?

I would say yes. For some people it's possible. This is likely a very small percentage, but there are those few who can do it. So you could say it's possible, but not likely.

Euphoria

[Delo]

Wow, I hate to be typing this one... I believe chipping is possible until you are addicted once...

In my own experience after a raging H addiction several years back, I get clean for a while. Eventually I tell myself that I can do it every once in a while now. Every once in a while becomes daily till im right back there staring a needle down.

I really needed to write that.

[Dolomiti]

One way I look at it... maybe it doesn't work for anyone at all...
but I consider, weigh up your pros and cons, very thuroughly, when planning out your use. Think over rationally in detail, logically. "Is it a bad idea to use for days in a row? If so, why? Why shouldn't I?"
Have to make it clear to onesself why or why not to use in whatever manner.
In some cases if you give in to using days in a row, that pattern may just be one that gives you less high, less enjoyment, and more dopesickness. So why do it if you can just chip?
In some cases I've seen, the person didn't clearly lay out why they gave themselves whatever rules they made about drug use. "What am I going to do, when the craving hits and it's available?"
This is just how things work for me but it may have absolutely no logic for anyone else... maybe I'm crazy :D

[chemboy7]

Is chipping possible, yeah, sure... I bet it is. I mean shit Jesus walked on water, so that's possible. Although Jesus hasn't tought us how to walk on water or how to sucessfully chip so I think until he does you have about as good of a chance walking on water than you do chipping if you plan on using Opaites recreationally.

Sorry to piss in anyone's drinking well there, but just like old William Burroughs said "I have learned the junk equation. Junk is not like alcohol or weed, a mean's to increase enjoyment in life. Junk is not a kick; it's a way of life."

So that's cool if you took a few pills and got away without any dependance, more power to you; but realize that once it's got you by the balls it doesn't let go and the body recognizes WD with just a few slip ups... it's ready to punish you for it. I said it before in another thread and I will say it here, "When it come's to using Opaites recreationally there really aren't any chippers, just people in different stages of denial."

Just my opinion. Think different talk to me in a year.

[Delo]

Is chipping possible, yeah, sure... I bet it is. I mean shit Jesus walked on water, so that's possible. Although Jesus hasn't tought us how to walk on water or how to sucessfully chip so I think until he does you have about as good of a chance walking on water than you do chipping if you plan on using Opaites recreationally.

Sorry to piss in anyone's drinking well there, but just like old William Burroughs said "I have learned the junk equation. Junk is not like alcohol or weed, a mean's to increase enjoyment in life. Junk is not a kick; it's a way of life."

So that's cool if you took a few pills and got away without any dependance, more power to you; but realize that once it's got you by the balls it doesn't let go and the body recognizes WD with just a few slip ups... it's ready to punish you for it. I said it before in another thread and I will say it here, "When it come's to using Opaites recreationally there really aren't any chippers, just people in different stages of denial."

Just my opinion. Think different talk to me in a year.

I really like this chemboy, this could be published in the New Yorker or something... I cant remember who said it but I always think of this "drugs should be used to expand the mind, not to escape it" I love that, it reminds me of my darker days when I truelly used to escape reallity. At one time it was expansion but once the monkey clamps its teeth around your balls, then u use it to escape...

[WarmCyanide]

I really like this chemboy, this could be published in the New Yorker or something... I cant remember who said it but I always think of this "drugs should be used to expand the mind, not to escape it" I love that, it reminds me of my darker days when I truelly used to escape reallity. At one time it was expansion but once the monkey clamps its teeth around your balls, then u use it to escape...

yeah, chem is well respected here. delo, i think the question of chipping is "can i use my DOC to escape reality or for comfort without doing it all of the time." just at an intermittent or regulated pace without falling into it. good post.

[ProdigalSon]

Is chipping possible, yeah, sure... I bet it is. I mean shit Jesus walked on water, so that's possible. Although Jesus hasn't tought us how to walk on water or how to sucessfully chip so I think until he does you have about as good of a chance walking on water than you do chipping if you plan on using Opaites recreationally.

Sorry to piss in anyone's drinking well there, but just like old William Burroughs said "I have learned the junk equation. Junk is not like alcohol or weed, a mean's to increase enjoyment in life. Junk is not a kick; it's a way of life."

So that's cool if you took a few pills and got away without any dependance, more power to you; but realize that once it's got you by the balls it doesn't let go and the body recognizes WD with just a few slip ups... it's ready to punish you for it. I said it before in another thread and I will say it here, "When it come's to using Opaites recreationally there really aren't any chippers, just people in different stages of denial."

Just my opinion. Think different talk to me in a year.

Oh shiiiiiiiit, chipping is possible. Just as log as you have self control...Which I never had. But I knew motherfuckers that would shoot an 80 and be fucked for a day that call me two weeks later, askin for more. For fuckin years.

Me, If Im gonna do something Im all the fuck the way in the deep end. No matter what. Drugs, booze, hobbies, broads, cigs, dip. whathemotherfuckever...They encase me especialy now the women....If i took one hit, id be right back in the shithole of scum they call addiction in Websters, so no. Guess someone has an adictive personality, huh? Case in fucking point...its up to you and how big your balls are..Now from my statement....not too big Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhahahahahahaahahahahhahhhaaahah

[chemboy7]

I really like this chemboy, this could be published in the New Yorker or something... I cant remember who said it but I always think of this "drugs should be used to expand the mind, not to escape it" I love that, it reminds me of my darker days when I truelly used to escape reallity. At one time it was expansion but once the monkey clamps its teeth around your balls, then u use it to escape...

Well, this Chemboy really like's you too Delo. And I have always said that I use drugs not to escape reality, but enhance it... kinda like 3D goggles at the movies or getting a blow-job while your watching the game; why the fuck not, it makes it so much better? And it was just like that, as I said it, for quite sometime; then one day I woke up and realized that I couldn't live without Opaites, then I woke up another day and realized that my body wants to kill me if I don't load it down without Benzodiazepines. My opinion on the matter is sure, you can chip, but I'm talking about using maybe once a month. Any tighter schedual and sooner or later it's just like I said, there are no chippers, just people in different stages of denial. I used to think Cocaine was an addiction, Ha! Cocaine is just an expensive habit, I can show you what addiction is.

[Raz]

Is chipping possible, yeah, sure... I bet it is. I mean shit Jesus walked on water, so that's possible. Although Jesus hasn't tought us how to walk on water or how to sucessfully chip so I think until he does you have about as good of a chance walking on water than you do chipping if you plan on using Opaites recreationally.

Sorry to piss in anyone's drinking well there, but just like old William Burroughs said "I have learned the junk equation. Junk is not like alcohol or weed, a mean's to increase enjoyment in life. Junk is not a kick; it's a way of life."

So that's cool if you took a few pills and got away without any dependance, more power to you; but realize that once it's got you by the balls it doesn't let go and the body recognizes WD with just a few slip ups... it's ready to punish you for it. I said it before in another thread and I will say it here, "When it come's to using Opaites recreationally there really aren't any chippers, just people in different stages of denial."

Just my opinion. Think different talk to me in a year.
Everytime i say "just for today" it always turns into 3, 4, a week of bein fucked up. Tell me is there something wrong with me ?

[HistoryofMadness]

Everytime i say "just for today" it always turns into 3, 4, a week of bein fucked up. Tell me is there something wrong with me ?

yes, there is. you are a drug addict.

[limitless_euphoria]

It takes a very special person to pull it off. They have to have extraordinary self-discipline and they have to know their limits. Once someone has been addicted for too long I'd say the likelihood they'll be able to chip decreases exponentially. That's just IMO.

[Nemesis1]

Of course chipping is possible! To think anything else is superstition... And actually achieving it isn't even hard... You don't have to do anything at all (except for opioids once in a while, otherwise you'd be a "non-user" instead of a "chipper"), but compared to other achievments that requires you to acomplish something, chipping just demands that you abstain from doing something...

It's all in your mind... Abstain from taking opioids six days a week and you can go on doing it forever as long as you don't stray from your path... SWIM has been chipping for a couple of years, he first tried 1mg buprenorphine, which give you 24 hours of nodding bliss if you've never been hooked on opioids, since then he has been trying everything from tramadol to morphine and IV heroin, but usually he still take the same dose as he did his very first time, and he still gets as high now as he did then! No tolerance, no withdrawls, nothing but a virgin-pure high once a week!

[cg5]

I do it, but it really sucks...

[Duckfeet]

Everybody starts out a chipper, and figures out some kind of plan to not get strung out ... and I never listened to pathetic old junkies myself: weak fucks, all u need is a little toughness of spirit, and determination...they were usually loosers from New York City, always laughing when I'd say I still had it under control, and was planning on quitting when I left Vietnam...no fucking substance was going to beat me...

And chipping *does* work...until it doesn't, and then u go "whoops", next time I'll just do it every *other* day, and then stop on sundays...trouble is, like the man in the post before me said, it kind of sucks: and it sucks more, the longer u do it, rather than the opposite...remember u heard this from me: both chipping, and kicking get *worse* the more experience you get....

Makes no sense, I know ...

Yup...and I'm not even from NYC ..;)

[underide]

I never even had a 'plan not to get strung out'.
When i was starting out on dope I was just always in denial, i guess.
I was in denial going on 'done...And i'm still in denial
Fucking hopeless case:rolleyes:

And like most of the above would probably tell you - sure, chipping might work for a while...but once you cross some lines you might just keep on crossing them. Familiarity breeds
And you better have something tangible to hang on to in life if you wish to keep on chipping succesfully, and even then, it's probably just a matter of time, still.
I think it was Burroughs who said something to the effect of: "junkies are people that don't have any strong motivations/inclinations in life - dope wins by default" something like that.. Old man Burroughs got that one right for sure.

[PoppyHeadStoner]

Everytime i say "just for today" it always turns into 3, 4, a week of bein fucked up. Tell me is there something wrong with me ?

yes, there is. you are a drug addict.


hahaha hilarious.

[upstate_007]

Everybody starts out a chipper, and figures out some kind of plan to not get strung out ... and I never listened to pathetic old junkies myself: weak fucks, all u need is a little toughness of spirit, and determination...they were usually loosers from New York City, always laughing when I'd say I still had it under control, and was planning on quitting when I left Vietnam...no fucking substance was going to beat me...

And chipping *does* work...until it doesn't, and then u go "whoops", next time I'll just do it every *other* day, and then stop on sundays...trouble is, like the man in the post before me said, it kind of sucks: and it sucks more, the longer u do it, rather than the opposite...remember u heard this from me: both chipping, and kicking get *worse* the more experience you get....

Makes no sense, I know ...

Yup...and I'm not even from NYC ..;)

That is the truth about how it gets worse with the more experience you get. But, like the good little junky I am, I keep trying to beat the system from time to time. I never seem to win though.

And DF....... I think you have earned the title of an honorary New Yorker. Not that it's that much of an honor, but you got it. With how the weather has been lately I would be more than happy to trade living quarters for a bit.

[Duckfeet]

I know: I love that city, and any time you'all post on it, I read every post ... just about wrecked my truck going thru there, cuz I'm like every tourist, always looking *up*...

9/11 broke my heart--I was trucking thru Wyoming-- but the resilience and toughness of spirit that we we all saw, gave me hope: u guys rock...


That is the truth about how it gets worse with the more experience you get. But, like the good little junky I am, I keep trying to beat the system from time to time. I never seem to win though.

And DF....... I think you have earned the title of an honorary New Yorker. Not that it's that much of an honor, but you got it. With how the weather has been lately I would be more than happy to trade living quarters for a bit.

[Nemesis1]

Everybody starts out a chipper, and figures out some kind of plan to not get strung out ... and I never listened to pathetic old junkies myself: weak fucks, all u need is a little toughness of spirit, and determination...they were usually loosers from New York City, always laughing when I'd say I still had it under control, and was planning on quitting when I left Vietnam...no fucking substance was going to beat me...

And chipping *does* work...until it doesn't, and then u go "whoops", next time I'll just do it every *other* day, and then stop on sundays...trouble is, like the man in the post before me said, it kind of sucks: and it sucks more, the longer u do it, rather than the opposite...remember u heard this from me: both chipping, and kicking get *worse* the more experience you get....

Makes no sense, I know ...It certainly makes sense, becuase most people don't like opioids that much when they try it the first time... Some just puke and pass out, others have a mellow high that they think is relaxing but still not anywhere like other drugs like speed, E, coke and so on... It takes some time before you actually learn to enjoy the full potential of opioids...

Nevertheless SWIM has been chipping for two years and he still gets the same effect as he got the first time he tried opioids... At the very same dose! Could this "only once a week"-habit work out forever... No idea, and SWIM doesn't even care since he won't have to do it forever, repeating the last two years something like 25 times would be enough for SWIM to have chipped all of his life... ;)

Either way, no matter how hard it is to chip for any longer period of time, it's all in the users mind... It's not impossible or anything, it's all about psychology (and perhaps some neurochemistry, who knows)... Anyway, SWIM likes to think like this: If the odds are a millon to one, SWIM is going to make himself that one in a million person! After all, he is an individual who makes his own destiny and can therefore go against all odds and statistics with pure willpower... :p

[Duckfeet]

Sometimes I think I don't *really* give a correct take on this: I agree with you, we *have* to chip, or else just self-destruct, and you're right, in that some people, for all kinds of reasons, undoubtedly succeed, and here I am, "chipping" myself, more or less, but I guess I just wanted to make sure, particularly with newer users, that the not kid themselves about it, or how tough it can be, or how heartbreaking...

But I like your attitude, really, and I have a bit of that too, (I hope) if u see my posts on PAWs and EDS and other stuff: I always admire and aspire, to "toughness of spirit," and even if I have failed miserably at this, and a few other things, it's *much* better to fight even a loosing battle, than to surrender immediately and go cry in a corner...

So my experience might be a bit negative, Nemesis, but you have the correct attitude....hell, if I didn't think it was possible to beat this thing, I'a got on methadone maintenance 30 years ago...rather than six months ago...and I'm fighting that too...theory and even experience is one thing...believe oneself to be better and tougher than average is a whole other thing, and u have all my respect for operating that way...


It certainly makes sense, becuase most people don't like opioids that much when they try it the first time... Some just puke and pass out, others have a mellow high that they think is relaxing but still not anywhere like other drugs like speed, E, coke and so on... It takes some time before you actually learn to enjoy the full potential of opioids...

Nevertheless SWIM has been chipping for two years and he still gets the same effect as he got the first time he tried opioids... At the very same dose! Could this "only once a week"-habit work out forever... No idea, and SWIM doesn't even care since he won't have to do it forever, repeating the last two years something like 25 times would be enough for SWIM to have chipped all of his life... ;)

Either way, no matter how hard it is to chip for any longer period of time, it's all in the users mind... It's not impossible or anything, it's all about psychology (and perhaps some neurochemistry, who knows)... Anyway, SWIM likes to think like this: If the odds are a millon to one, SWIM is going to make himself that one in a million person! After all, he is an individual who makes his own destiny and can therefore go against all odds and statistics with pure willpower... :p

[zenpunk]

I think it depends upon the person and how their "wired". My S.O. could have chipped forever on the weekends. Me on the other hand had to stop or die - I was going down so fast it was insane.

[prc117f]

I have been chipping for almost 3 years now. Pod tea is it. Now I am in my mid 30s and I never have had what some term an addictive personality (Never really drank much etc.. did pot a few times only)

I keep my dosage real low. Max about two tablespoons (14grams I use coffee ground spoons measuring 7g)

I limit my dosage to infrequent use

I understand the risks and I know I cannot afford to ruin my life or let my family down by getting addicted and going down a slippery slope. I also own a company and I need to make sure all the people who work for me are taken care of and they have families of their own. If I ruin the company lots of people lose well paying jobs.

Pod tea for me is something to enjoy on occasion , it is like anything else in life. You need to respect this product, and practice self control and always keep in mind that there is a line that can be crossed and if you cross that line it can lead to disaster. Look at people who get hooked on Alcohol etc..

It is only good when it is occasional, otherwise it becomes a habit and no longer good.

[prc117f]

I've given this some amount of thought, and my opinion is thus:

Chipping is a heck of a lot easier if it is all you have every known. And that I think relates to your predisposition toward use/abuse. For example, from SWIM's first use he was sliding toward inevitable consistent application. That was never in question. And now, a chippers lifestyle would only be a cruel hoax. But for someone who had a different take on the experience (and there are many, who I have personally known), then they would treat the opiates like a cold beer, or a joint, to be enjoyed and forgotten until the next time. So I think it has less to do with willpower than with your own psychological makeup.

This is a great poll BTW, fascinating like so much of O.org :-)

I would have to agree. I think psychological makeup probably has a lot to do with it. I remember some of my buddies in HS smoking joints every day and lots of it, I bet if I handed them a cup back then they would be full blown addicts. This is why I have such a problem with the way this country treats the use of drugs. It should be legal and anyone who is addicted should be allowed to get free treatment by the US GOVT. I mean instead of spending 40K a year to incarcerate someone for drug use. Addiction is a disease like anything else.

[prc117f]

i'm sure i've said this in here once before, but in case you missed it:

chipping is a phase of the process, not a description of a person's use. if you never stop chipping you are by definition of an addict, because you never know if you can quit until you actually try.

i believe strongly that 'chipping' is a word that junkies use to describe their behavior when they know people who use more. just because you don't use everyday and don't have WD symptoms doesn't mean you aren't addicted.

addiction is much more than being physically dependant on a drug.

the games we play with ourselves.

So what about people who have a cold beer on a friday? Are they alcoholics?

An addict in my book is someone who has no control over the process and has to use to keep normal etc..

[mikells43]

chipping for me on anything is impossible. i use everything to the max and large quantities of it. if i dont have anymore then im miserable. so no for me its impossible. alot of people say that it is, and some even loose time clean/sober due to their brain talking them into it, but i am not a chipper. for me its everything all day everyday. then the physcal addiciton hits and its all downhill from there.

and usually the people they toss in prision have did extremely dumb things which were crimes to get money to get drugs. tho some dealers are in there (which only makes the drugs in prisions thing worse). but when it comes down to it if someone robbed a stop and shop, and got 7-12years all for what 100 bucks (prob a nites worth of dope ) and 20 packs of smokes. man i would be regreting the hell out of those actions. tho i have some of my own that i have taken care of and made the appologies and what not. thank god i didn't get any felonys over my drug use.

and what is normal use? like for pain? or to get a euphroia? i am not the poster boy for normal use lol.

[rockbottom]

i chipped for ten years, every weekend. b-4 i finally got addicted. i still remember the first time i shot up on a tuesday, the beginning of the end of chipping for me. i also remember all my so called addicted friends always trying to get me addicted with them , offering free shots and calling me a pussy for not fixing with them during the week.:cool:

[Dan Steely]

i chipped for ten years, every weekend. b-4 i finally got addicted. i still remember the first time i shot up on a tuesday, the beginning of the end of chipping for me. i also remember all my so called addicted friends always trying to get me addicted with them , offering free shots and calling me a pussy for not fixing with them during the week.:cool:

I nominate RB as the all time "King of digging up old threads".

Here's to you sir.:hangloose

JK man this thread may be old but it's certainly always relevant.

Is chipping possible? Sure but it's probably only temporary one way or the other. I had a solid habit for a year, quit for a couple months (with every intention of using again) and have just been using on wknds for 4 months. I'd like to use every day but I just can't afford to right now and I refuse to chase around like I used to. One night knockin on the dealers door at 2am in the f'n ghetto was enough for me.

[rockbottom]

i didn't start this thread just responded. matter of fact i dont start threads any more, because it seems Everything has already been discussed in OLD threads. ~Peace~ --Rock--

[jdub]

so no for me its impossible. alot of people say that it is, and some even loose time clean/sober due to their brain talking them into it, but i am not a chipper.



I wish fuckhead was around so I could ask how it is possible to "lose" sober time. I mean you were sober for that time and what you do tomorrow doesn't change what happened yesterday right?

[Raz]

Hey jdub you shoulda been online when Pappy V told him "why dont you just fuck off and go to a meeting or something"?.....

It was an opi classic....Fuckin blinder...

[Saint]

I think he meant well but got on everyones nerves with the AA stuff and his nonstop - short sentences - no capitals way of writing..
(and his avatar got on my nerves too, little guy on the bike drove me crazy :-).
He's happy on the subforum now.

[Narkotikon]

I'm going to say no because I always tell myself I'm just going to use today and not tomorrow / the next day. Only once in a while. Then the next day comes and I'm going out of my mind or something happens, and I use again, then again, etc.

I guess it's possible if you're relatively drug-naive and don't have an addictive personality. But that's not me. I never understood how some people can use recreationally with hard drugs like opiates / coke. When I do them, I want to keep on doing them. This is just a highly subjective scenario. It's highly personal to each individual.

[rolln7s]

weekend warrior, never existed in me and the ones i saw who tried eventually lost their battle gear.

[OxyQueen]

Well "I" of course could NEVER...have too addictive of a personality, no matter WHAT DRUG... But interestingly enough, me and hubby's friend that he works with DOES DO THIS. He has had a HUGE habit in the past, went to prison for most of his adult life. And has just recently been paying more and more for his "chipping". He is the one i get my little package of roxi 15's every month around next week. He'll get 120 and do them ALL in like 1 - 3 days. 5 days max. I am talking massive using. Our last 'round, he got SICK though and had to fess up to his ol lady cuz he was so sick he needed her help. She was pissed. To my knowledge tho he lets the sickness come and gets over it in 4 days and goes on til he runs into his cousin who'll give him 5 80's at a time. Then it one night of wasted and back to nothing the next day. He always claims to me that he doesn't have a habit, like i do. But fuck i use everyday but no where near the amount he uses. I said to him last month, "You've been sick more this month than high or normal"..... he just laughed. Willpower, strong...maybe once you kick a huge heroin habit in jail sickness from a week of pills ain't shit. Maybe i'm just a wimp. I dunno, i do not know how he does it. But i watch it over and over with him. He's something else...not human THATS FOR SURE!!!

[clonaze-whammed]

absolutely not.
delaying the inevitable.
Dont try to chip, quit while you're ahead

[Nate]

To be honest for someone who was previously addicted, chipping isn't going to work, at least it hasn't for me. Even keeping it to once a week or so, all it does is leave you trapped in a world of PAWS, at least in my case. I had to stop even chipping and go completely clean (which is fucking hard) but it has been the only way for this dreaded paws to even get remotely better.

For once in my life I actually feel I have some self control over my usage, but either I am going to be on the shit full time, or no at all, I wasn't liking the cloud of dysphoria a day of use would give.

[pizzaboy]

My wife has been trying to chip over the past month or so, despite my strenuous warnings. She had to learn for herself I guess.

She's basically been sick for a month, except for occasions when I give her little pieces of methadone. I think she's finally got wise and has decided to ride out the last stages of it.

She was never that bad, not like me and others I know...but it doesn't take a whole lot to get addicted.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

I cannot do it. I always make a plan and I always fail. The only drug that I've been able to enjoy greatly but only use occasionally is crack. And everyone told me that I'd be addicted and there was no such thing as the recreational crack smoker. But I've been doing this for over two years and I'm still able to handle it. I can binge smoke, and then not touch the stuff. I can stop in the middle of a binge, eat, go to sleep, and wake up with more to smoke. It just doesn't have a hold on me the way opiates does. I'm not smoking at all now that I'm on methadone and it's not an issue. Sometimes I think it sounds like a nice idea but I never go from having that thought to purchasing. With opiates, I would never just have a thought. I would already be in the car.

[alowishus]

Always does.

[OxyQueen]

Well "I" of course could NEVER...have too addictive of a personality, no matter WHAT DRUG... But interestingly enough, me and hubby's friend that he works with DOES DO THIS. He has had a HUGE habit in the past, went to prison for most of his adult life. And has just recently been paying more and more for his "chipping". He is the one i get my little package of roxi 15's every month around next week. He'll get 120 and do them ALL in like 1 - 3 days. 5 days max. I am talking massive using. Our last 'round, he got SICK though and had to fess up to his ol lady cuz he was so sick he needed her help. She was pissed. To my knowledge tho he lets the sickness come and gets over it in 4 days and goes on til he runs into his cousin who'll give him 5 80's at a time. Then it one night of wasted and back to nothing the next day. He always claims to me that he doesn't have a habit, like i do. But fuck i use everyday but no where near the amount he uses. I said to him last month, "You've been sick more this month than high or normal"..... he just laughed. Willpower, strong...maybe once you kick a huge heroin habit in jail sickness from a week of pills ain't shit. Maybe i'm just a wimp. I dunno, i do not know how he does it. But i watch it over and over with him. He's something else...not human THATS FOR SURE!!!

FUNNY how i just posted this ...THIS MORNING and hubby went back to work this morning. Our little "chippin' buddy" was freakin out this morning in hubby's office. He finally CAUGHT A HABIT, he claims he's in over his head and doesn't know what to do.... So much for him being super-chipper! I saw this one comin'. The thing is....like i said before, he just had a real ROUGH w/d last month...fessed up to his wife and all. It'll be interesting next week when i am SUPPOSED to get my roxi's from him, i'll bet he doesn't SELL ANY of them from this day forward. Chippin' is obviously NOT possible for someone who has had a habit in the past, the brain REMEMBERS. I knew he was playin' with fire. He was making me feel like a junkie loser there for awhile...ahhhhhhhh welcome back to this side of the tracks, my friend. Sucks though, he worked like hell, had a coupla kids since he got outta prison. He'll be back in prison, he's careless and reckless when he uses...it really is SAD

[Duckfeet]

Trouble with chipping is that it *does* work...until it doesn't, and then it's too late to go "whoops!"

[jonny-5]

i can chip on subs as long as i stick to a strict schedule and never waver from it. last time it didnt work out because i didnt keep a schedule...once i use two days in a row im fucked.

so for now i use once every two weeks, on a friday. usually only .1 never more than .2. and this ONLY works if im on bupe. i just skip my afternoon dose that day and replace it with dope, a .1 will get me 3 shots and i nod out for the nite...its nice.

[alowishus]

Is you repl it, 1500-1699 eruope (rot skanty place that is), Czars russia, prewar germany (1925-1934) JUST GET ys posslie (The 02 - The Wizard.mp3 on in tht back ground), I' gone and got myself in a whole heap of shit (watching Cool hand Luke all day- you know what what will do to ya.......)I feeel like theret is blood pouring all over the keyboard, but it'd dry....weird shit - our foal passed.
For foal. He helf now for a bould a week or week god tried rreal hard, I don;t even know if this is is in the righy trhgead yeahn fucck threads at this point,,,,,,I tried to find somhg lyrics to thr somng and I could'ld esle not for $3.50 rounf hrere.

I'v been haveing sime pretty fucked up times guys, some kmon some don't.

I cut the pinky toe to my left foot off, I I did't need it much, I can't keep goiong through this shit!!!!!!, I love myself, I hate Mysekf, I would of full on and done a cop suicide but U can'y leave MY fuckinghboyI need help but I don't know wherer are how to start, I know alot of poeple are cutters, even now are burners (thanks to alll tyhe guys that helped w this actingout, and mayde for so it noy,,,,)When I burn myself peoplemost be thinkingoh omg, but it's the total oposite-----alll the pain that I used to feel are gone, it's hard to explaine

I think mybe that Opiophile.org (http://forum.opiophile.org/index.php) has maybe not the rite place or time for that here. I just feel that their are other places or In All thruth I feel like BOOT SRTAP BILL- with all matters of things crawlingg all ogver mu keybeady(having to reread it 3-4 times to get it right) not to mentionthr leapses in rerality.
So times it;s cavesmane days, overs,IT ZA ALLL OUT OF THE WAY START THE SLAUGHTER.
I don'u speak to you of thr Germany and the Gews, I SPEAK TO YOU OF US US US US US . Who willl stop us on, read the books see thr movies, thise is how it alll startedf and no, one said or did a thingthey alll walked,like lambs
to thier own SLAUGHTER!!!!

I computer is not right, I need to fix it, need to fix it we'll make well Please just fix...................

[bigNasty]

Is you repl it, 1500-1699 eruope (rot skanty place that is), Czars russia, prewar germany (1925-1934) JUST GET ys posslie (The 02 - The Wizard.mp3 on in tht back ground), I' gone and got myself in a whole heap of shit (watching Cool hand Luke all day- you know what what will do to ya.......)I feeel like theret is blood pouring all over the keyboard, but it'd dry....weird shit - our foal passed.
For foal. He helf now for a bould a week or week god tried rreal hard, I don;t even know if this is is in the righy trhgead yeahn fucck threads at this point,,,,,,I tried to find somhg lyrics to thr somng and I could'ld esle not for $3.50 rounf hrere.

I'v been haveing sime pretty fucked up times guys, some kmon some don't.

I cut the pinky toe to my left foot off, I I did't need it much, I can't keep goiong through this shit!!!!!!, I love myself, I hate Mysekf, I would of full on and done a cop suicide but U can'y leave MY fuckinghboyI need help but I don't know wherer are how to start, I know alot of poeple are cutters, even now are burners (thanks to alll tyhe guys that helped w this actingout, and mayde for so it noy,,,,)When I burn myself peoplemost be thinkingoh omg, but it's the total oposite-----alll the pain that I used to feel are gone, it's hard to explaine

I think mybe that Opiophile.org (http://forum.opiophile.org/index.php) has maybe not the rite place or time for that here. I just feel that their are other places or In All thruth I feel like BOOT SRTAP BILL- with all matters of things crawlingg all ogver mu keybeady(having to reread it 3-4 times to get it right) not to mentionthr leapses in rerality.
So times it;s cavesmane days, overs,IT ZA ALLL OUT OF THE WAY START THE SLAUGHTER.
I don'u speak to you of thr Germany and the Gews, I SPEAK TO YOU OF US US US US US . Who willl stop us on, read the books see thr movies, thise is how it alll startedf and no, one said or did a thingthey alll walked,like lambs
to thier own SLAUGHTER!!!!

I computer is not right, I need to fix it, need to fix it we'll make well Please just fix...................
I think i speak for all of us on here when i say "HUH?".

here you go though, best part of the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

[marshalldylan1]

I'll be clean for a few weeks, use it once, then just fall right back into that cycle of coming up with any little excuse to use again. You know how it is. So no, in my opinion, chipping isn't possible, at least not over long periods of time. I only seem to last a week at most.

[SurfRat]

Yes chipping is possible but with HUGE caveats.

Because if you are consciously thinking about chipping then you are already aware that you are addicted or could be addicted... Chipping implies that whatever drug it is, it has already become an issue with you.

For example if I have a few drinks this month, it isn't chipping because I don't like alcohol to begin with and I am only having a small amount because people keep shoving it in my face. Or like with weed, it is only pleasant in small amounts/time/situations so for me it isn't chipping because will only use it in very small amounts.

So if you are *chipping* then you probably like your drug a lot, and you are trying to not have a habit.

I think the only way that can happen is if you use very small amounts and very infrequently. And also you have to take into consideration what kind of habit/addiction you have had in the past and if you have managed at least a few years of not using at all. Because I think you have to have had at least some period of time when you controlled your habit and it didn't control you.

I really like opiates, but I can't afford literally and figuratively any kind of addiction.

And although I was a considerable and dedicated drug taker from age fifteen until twenty, I was 99% stone cold sober for twenty five years.

I have a very low tolerance, even for a non user and I am thinking that if I never increase my current minimal usage, I will be fine. Because for practical purposes I never take more of anything than my body can clear/process of my system, so I avoid accumulation levels in my bloodstream.

My ROAs are a little over the top for the small amounts I use but I don't like to waste drugs so I choose the correct tool for the job so to speak. But for instance last week I took 4mg Dilaudid the next day 20mg OC
skipped a day (or maybe took like two Trams) then 20mg OC skipped a day then maybe a couple trams day after that and the next day 15mg Morph. Like I said I use the *correct* ROAs so I get all or most of what I am taking. And I feel good and I nod a little sometimes. And that's it. I don't get major rushes and super high situations but I am doing ok, helps my back pain a little too sometimes.

I know non users who have taken 30 to 40mg of OC and not really felt anything so I don't know why I respond to such low doses but I guess I will be happy with it and leave it at that.


Hope I didn't write too much there...



I guess the simple answer is

no.

[Raisin]

"I guess the simple answer is

no."


What he said

[alowishus]

I think i speak for all of us on here when i say "HUH?".

here you go though, best part of the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

Great Flick got it off the torrents sites. That was my 4th day into a 4 day sleep deprov, I was about 4 derrerent people - it was great sort-a- One I got my guts torn out w/ two hand guard axes, I was a guard at the Zcars garden, ripped to ribbons I was. the other I think I died of hungry, no not the place!!!! The only one I did do anything in was mid-20's Germany, what raunck time. that and pairs.

Of course My mind came back to the fact to the fact that the horse and her baby that we had just lostIt may have not seemsd to way hard on my girl but all death ways mines. ANd I did feel her loss, not so much the loss of o the hor but of my girl...

It's been like death certanl around me.

NIck mate, will they give me a visa?

As far as chipping.......fucking never working, you can chip for two weeks, two nyears, but your gonna use you junkie slush