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madnesscult
04-01-2007, 07:18 PM
So I feel a little silly asking a question about bupe, since I co-authored our "ultimate guide", but this is something I've never experienced before...

I stared on subs again 2 days ago, for the 3rd time. The past two times that I transitioned, once I had gotten through the waiting period and taken the subs, I was fine (once I found the right dose, and the highest I had ever needed was like 14mg on the first day). But this time, I don't know what's going on.

I lost my insurance for a while, and had to go back to H for several months since last using subs, so my tolerance has increased quite a bit from the last time I went on subs, probably about doubled. Anyway, 2 days ago, I took my subs after waiting almost 2 days from my last shot of heroin. I took 24mg throughout the day, but never got to the point where I was completely well, and eventually did a small shot of H (my emergency shot, so it was pretty small) and felt ok until the next day. Same deal with day 2, so last night I made the 3-hour (each way) trek down to SanFran to get some dope, but was only able to get a dime, so that only lasted me through last night and I don't have any more $. Today, I took another 24mg throughout the day, waiting at least an hour between each 8mg dose, and STILL feel shitty. I don't know what to do. After the last 8mg pill, if anything, I feel slightly WORSE, and I don't know what the fuck to do!

Has anyone experienced this?

I had started thinking that I was genuinely sick, ie flu or something, and just didn't know it because of the dope I was using, but my symptoms are such that I'm 90% sure that I'm just dopesick. It's not terrible, but enough to where I don't want to leave the house and just taking a shower exhausts me, and it's getting really damn old.

SuperJunky
04-01-2007, 07:47 PM
This is all I've ever experienced, I've never got well from bupe in any form, only worse. I've always waited atleast 24 but in some cases 48+ and still it only made me sicker, not just a little bit though, alot.

madnesscult
04-01-2007, 07:54 PM
You may have been getting the precipitated withdrawls...I know that if you get them, taking more bupe just makes it worse, but what I'm experiencing isn't that. I've gone through the precipitated w/d's before, and that was WAY worse.

SuperJunky
04-01-2007, 07:58 PM
I've had people say that you can push through it, any idea why every time I take them I get the same effect regaurdless of the amount of time I wait? WTF? I have a really fast metabolism, I could always pass a drug test for H in 36 hours!?!

HeidiW
04-01-2007, 08:01 PM
Me too Superjunky. I was always good at 36 hours. My metabolism rocks!!1:D

madnesscult
04-02-2007, 09:45 PM
Just thought I'd update on my situation:

Last night, around this time, I started feeling pretty much OK, and it's been getting progressively better the past few nights (ie sleeping a little more, and waking up with less cold sweat), which is nice. I've only taken 16mg today, and feel about the same as I did yesterday (before feeling completely OK). I think I may take another 2 or 4mg in a bit though...

jacky
04-03-2007, 10:47 AM
when I have transitioned from opiates to bup I always feel sort of crappy for 3-4 days after switching. it takes a few days till I start getting euphoria from the bup.

I also find that for myself, 16 milligrams is the highest I can go, or I get some real nasty side effects from the bup.
it almost seems like less bup covers me than more.

madnesscult
04-03-2007, 08:45 PM
when I have transitioned from opiates to bup I always feel sort of crappy for 3-4 days after switching. it takes a few days till I start getting euphoria from the bup.

I also find that for myself, 16 milligrams is the highest I can go, or I get some real nasty side effects from the bup.
it almost seems like less bup covers me than more.

Yeah, I completely know about the "less is more" deal with bupe. I mean, as it is, I feel crappy on the 20-24mg, but less than that I feel like absolute shit. Thanks for the input though, Jacky.

BloodIn
04-03-2007, 08:56 PM
I got a friend that was doing quite a bit of H and she said the bups didn't do shit for her either. HBO had this addiction thing on the other night and it mentioned bup. The doctor in the show acually said that Suboxone is only good for treating people with low opiate addiction. Like from hydros or perc ect...
The doctor said it wasn't shit compared to the H w/d's being only a partial mu agonist and all..

I think that's why they want you to wait sooo long before your first dose. Maybe you'll acually feel it if your real sick!

But after a few days and the hold of the other lets go , the bup will kick in nicely.

As for the less is more, I'll be damned if that shit doesn't have a hold, even at 1 mg i feel like SHIT if i don't take it for a day. WTF??

Does anyone know how long the w/d's are from bup??


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