Kratom when kicking... questions

[scarlett44]

I know this isn't the right spot to post, but i couldn't find the right place; how much kratom should i take if i am kicking hydro? I haven't felt anything from it. I poured about half a teaspoon on peanut butter; I have a really high tolerance to hydros. Was on morphine (pills) a few months back. I was taking about 8-10 7.5/1000 hydros a day and tapered down to about 3 a day. Am I not taking enough kratom? What should it feel like? I ordered it from the iamshaman (something like that) and I ordered the super, the one in between the low and high potency. I am ready to crawl out of my skin I am so irritated, I guess it's the w/d's from hydro. Anyone have any advice?? (plus it's that time of the month so the depression is killing me, along with a 4 year old son and husband driving me crazy!! Husband doesn't know about drug problem)Thanks so much!!:mad:

[Zoop]

O.K. I will answer your question. Sorry nobody answered your 'post for four days. It sucks to be sick, and hyrocdone is a bad one (well, the w/d's are bad from all of 'em really).

Anyway, kratom should work pretty good for w/d's, but it IS habit forming. I am addicted to it, after two months daily use, I noticed that I had a habit - got sick when I didn't take it after about 12 hours - that was about 8 months ago. Life goes on, it's just one ESSENTIAL item on the grocery list now...

So, what you gotta do is make a water extraction to get the most out of kratom. All that really entails is just grind it up into a fine green or off-green powder, and then mix this powder, at least 2 TEASPOONS of it, into a hot drink about 1/2 a mug of some herbal tea, chamomile mixes well, with a couple heaping spoons of sugar, or might not be able to drink it without hurling. Peanut butter will fuck up the 'sorption. You stir this concoction around for a minute in the boiling or almost-boiling tea - TAKE THE TEABAG OUT OF THE MUG FIRST! you don't want the chamomile to absorb the alkaloids from the kratom, and then top off with cool water to the top of the mug. Drink it up, and then rinse your mouth out or you'll go around tasting the shit... Should kick in (empty stomach is ESSENTIAL) in about 20 to 30 minutes. Every bit as good as orally administered hydrocodone, almost as good as oral oxycodone.

My bestest favorite way to drink this shit, and I have tried many in this almost a year I've been hooked on the shit, is with CHAI TEA LATTE mix, the kind with lots of sugar, granulated honey, and spices (look on the 'gredients label). Harris Teeter makes a real good one, just mix the kratom powder in with the Chai mix and drink up! MMM. JUST LIKE HOME MADE! (I just had some ;) )

I don't know where you live, Scarlet, but you probably have a grocery store in the area that sells something like this. If not, just use an herbal tea with plenty of honey or sugar.

Good luck. Peas.

OBTW, what was I gonna say....? Oh yea, an electric coffee bean grinder works really well if you have the whole dried kratom leaves. They are probably dried, unles you have your own tree, but if they're not, they need to be dried or it will turn into mush and might mess up your grinder.

Ok, all done.

[MAXELL]

Hiya Scarlett
Yupe That Tea Recipe Sounds Right. I Sell Kratom Myself, Have'nt Tried It For Wd. Probley Would'nt Do Much For Me, Hell Of A Tolorance. We Got This New Kratom Pure Alkaloid Extract 75% Did About 1/2 Gram. But I Already Had Done Some Oxycodone So Doing It At That Time Was Kind Of A Waste. The Shits Real Pricey $150.00 A Gram Retail, And Not Knowing For Sure About The Wd Thing. Hate To See Anyone Spend That Kind Of Cash. But On The Other Hand I Did Get Some Good Feed Back. With The Samples I Had To Send To Companies. Said It Was Pretty Buzzable. What I Would Suggest Is Poppy Tea, Just Find A Source For Good Pods. Pretty Easy, On The Net Or Try Craft Stores, Or Even Some Florists Sell Them. Tastes Like Crap, But Keeps Ya Feelin Ok. Maxell

[hovadagod]

Hiya Scarlett
Yupe That Tea Recipe Sounds Right. I Sell Kratom Myself, Have'nt Tried It For Wd. Probley Would'nt Do Much For Me, Hell Of A Tolorance. We Got This New Kratom Pure Alkaloid Extract 75% Did About 1/2 Gram. But I Already Had Done Some Oxycodone So Doing It At That Time Was Kind Of A Waste. The Shits Real Pricey $150.00 A Gram Retail, And Not Knowing For Sure About The Wd Thing. Hate To See Anyone Spend That Kind Of Cash. But On The Other Hand I Did Get Some Good Feed Back. With The Samples I Had To Send To Companies. Said It Was Pretty Buzzable. What I Would Suggest Is Poppy Tea, Just Find A Source For Good Pods. Pretty Easy, On The Net Or Try Craft Stores, Or Even Some Florists Sell Them. Tastes Like Crap, But Keeps Ya Feelin Ok. Maxell

A littlte late but...

No offense to Maxell..I know he's trying to help.

That is the worst idea ever. Poppy tea is so addictive. If you drink enough of that sh$# you'll feel like you're on 200mg of oxy that lasts 6 hours. It contains every natural opiate (or opiod?). All of em'. So if getting clean is your hope, poppy tea is the last thing you'd ever want to get into. Once you have good source of pods, you can get it whenver you want so be really careful.

If you're trying to get high on the other hand, that tea is the best and cheapest way to do it. It is quite amazing! Its THE BEST thing for a good, long opiate high. But it is really easy to OD on the stuff. Some people say it doesn't really work well but if you get teh right pods and do it well, it works.

AGAIN, DONT TRY TO GET CLEAN WITH POPPY T...(IT IS ILLEGAL) IT WORKS WAY TOO WELL!!!

[duke_nemmerle]

A littlte late but...

No offense to Maxell..I know he's trying to help.

That is the worst idea ever. Poppy tea is so addictive. If you drink enough of that sh$# you'll feel like you're on 200mg of oxy that lasts 6 hours. It contains every natural opiate (or opiod?). All of em'. So if getting clean is your hope, poppy tea is the last thing you'd ever want to get into. Once you have good source of pods, you can get it whenver you want so be really careful.

If you're trying to get high on the other hand, that tea is the best and cheapest way to do it. It is quite amazing! Its THE BEST thing for a good, long opiate high. But it is really easy to OD on the stuff. Some people say it doesn't really work well but if you get teh right pods and do it well, it works.

AGAIN, DONT TRY TO GET CLEAN WITH POPPY T...(IT IS ILLEGAL) IT WORKS WAY TOO WELL!!!

I sort of read maxell's note to be talking about getting clean with kratom tea? I might be wrong about that. You are definitely right though hovadagod, poppy t could get someone with a mild habit in even more trouble(dependence wise) than they were already in. Certainly not a great maintenance option

[jacky]

I tried a half gram of 70% alkaloid extract of kratom IV. I couldnt get the whole amount to go into solution, weird. I mixed a little blood in initially to see if it would coagulate, and it didnt. mainline.

I felt the extract of course, but not as a rush. I did this out of a bit of bullheaded stupidity, I do not IV many drugs anymore, but I just couldnt resist the experience as I have never heard of anyone Iving it before. There was literally no rush, so I imagine that kratom as an IV drug will not be a substance that is abused much in that way. I didnt really know about posting this experience, especially if it felt GREAT, but it didnt, considering the cost of the extract I wouldnt think it would be advantageous to do the material in any other way except for INSUFFILATED. snorting kratom extract of this purity was very good. stronger it seems that doing it IV. and seemed to come on with a almost a rush, but perhaps that was more pain than the drug. I was pretty goddamn dizzy from the experience .

what I have learned about my preference is that kratom is better as an oral/ non extracted material in my opinion. I had a 3 time refluxed extract of a 100 grams of kratom that was extracted into a light yellow ethanol based liquid, It ook this extract and created a fortified product by evaporation on a gram of kratom leaf. I smoked about a quarter of this and actually got sick and whent on the nod as well. I was using small amounts of codeine and poppy seed tea as well, but that kratom refluxed extract was the most potent form I have had yet. I have tried alot of the extracts out there, and it just seems like something is missing?
I can drink like 25 grams of kratom in one sitting and get sick as shit from it, throw it up 30-40 minutes later, but do a larger equivelant of extract and I dont seem to get this reaction. weird. perhaps extractions using ph manipulation /solvent techniques are dropping something out of there, and the refluxed doesnt?

anyways I dont think kratom is a good IV candidate, which is probably a good thing in the end. pure 7 hydroxy mitragynine might be a different story though...............

It will be interesting to see if some research group picks up mitragynine as a lead compound for new drug design like they did with salvinorin a

[hovadagod]

What drug is made with salvia? That would be a scary rx!

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I have heard Kratom has helped many many people addicted to opiates. Has Kratom helped any of you with opiate addiction?? I even heard of a guy that was addicted to Fentanyl get off his daily habit using Kratom! I know most people at http://www.kratomforum.com swear by it. I was thinking about giving it a try. The effects seem to be similar to hydro so hopefully I'll like it. It sure is better on your wallet and liver. Has it helped any of you??

[flipside]

There are a whole lot of answers to this question already. Search around and I bet you'll find what you need.

The short answer is yes.

[tptptp]

Well it will definitely keep w/d at bay, im using it now to kick and am weaning w/ it, physically yes its working, mentally i still feel like shit, but i guess not too much worse than i normally felt sober, dunno its been a while, it keeps my mental state ok for a couple hours after i take it and my physical state ok for about 10-12. Right now I'm at 2 semi-heaping teaspoons (ingested) tomorrow morning, and then down to 1 tomorrow night as my plan 1 the following morning and maybe half two times and stopping....and swim smokes MJ to help him sleep.

If you plan to use it buy COMMERCIAL LEAF AND MAKE TEA OR EAT IT STRAIGHT/PUTR IT IN PILLS DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT BUY RESINS OR EXTRACTS, THEY ARENT ANYWHERE NEAR AS USEFUL.

[OhJoy]

I think if you are aiming to quit, then I think the rule is not to be on the Kratom for more than 10 days.... or you will end up with a high tolerance to that and I've read the w/d sucks. I personally can't imagine taking if for more than 3 days in a row. I just get 'sick' of the amount I have to consume. I do know if my hydro habit gets out of hand, I'll kick it with k.

[kyuss]

I'm kicking florals
with the help of kratom.
Yesterday I combined
the two with great results.
I was pain free for a short
sweet amount of time.
I added powdered kratom
to boiling water-cooled-chugged,
along with my reduced floral dose.