Insulin syringe too small to "muscle it"

[Sgt_Rock]

I posted a thread a while back complaining that I cant get high even on 1/4 gram of black-tar H (I have to "muscle it" rather than hitting a vein because my hands dont work good enough) anyway I was using a 1/2cc insulin syringe and hitting in the the side of my thigh but even 2-3 syringes full of dark brown liquid wouldent even give me a buzz.
I did this for months finaly last week i used a huge 10cc syringe w/ a needle that resembles a 1 1/2 inch nail! ow! Anyway i stabbed that mother fk'er a good inch into my thigh and...I was slurring and nodding for hours,I guess i wasnt reaching the muscle. Also,i dissolved a tiny bit of a vitamin C tablet in with it because i dont think the blk-tar was dissolving completley.
Does a tiny pinch of vit C help dissolve blk-tar?
P.S. I just use cold water and dont heat my spoon or shit,thats o.k.,right? Heating only quickens the disolving and maybe burns off impurities,right? Its not important is it?
thnx! Brad. Peace.

[jacky]

Not boiling your aqueous black tar solution and then muscle or skin popping leaves you at INCREASED risk for infection.
this is partly how the staph bacteria can get into your system and wreak havoc, necrosis, septic infection, and sometimes the "flexh eating"virus action may take hold.
BOIL THAT SHIT.
IF ITS HOT YOUR NOT.

[Ogre]

Yes..I agree with Jacky..always always heat tar even for of a reason if your skin popping of IM, it's not "quite" as bad doing a cold shot IV, but you should still heat it..

[jacky]

I would even rather do a cold shot in the vein due to the increased amounts of antibodys and white blood cells present!

the only times I watched people shoot cold dope is when the situation was far below that of being even moderately careful. I watched freind explain his chlorine hypothesis while shooting toilet water becuase he couldnt wait to go score a lighter.

always heat your tar, I would even cook ALL dope if it is meant for injection, and I even cooked the tar heroin that I snorted. why?
because of the fucking dreaded flesh eating virus staph infection that has ruined more than a few lives especially on the west coast.

I have found all matter of crap in my heroin. pubic hairs, what appeared to be mouse shit, non descripts....the problem gets worse and worse as the dope gets cut, and handled on the street, sometime by people who dont have homes for such processes, and sometimes from idiots who handle the stuff without compassion even though they have the facilities. ...which is alot more people than we would like to consider. I have never seen once a group of people bagging dope with alchohol or disinfectants sitting in arms reach. and usually gloves were used to reclaim material that would otherwise be wasted, not because it was cleaner for the buyer.

If I got some opium I would probably put it in an ethanol solution before I ate it just to be somewhat safer.

[Sgt_Rock]

Not boiling your aqueous black tar solution and then muscle or skin popping leaves you at INCREASED risk for infection.
this is partly how the staph bacteria can get into your system and wreak havoc, necrosis, septic infection, and sometimes the "flexh eating"virus action may take hold.
BOIL THAT SHIT.
IF ITS HOT YOUR NOT.

Thanks man,I have had 2 or 3 infections/absesses but i didnt know heating the shit prevents this.I thought it was just to help disolve it completley.
I will definatley boil it from now on.You probably saved me from several future infections,maybe worse.
Thanks Peace.

[red26]

When I'm heatin' up my tar I keep the flame far away from it, the more you boil, the more content is destroyed. It does accelerate the dissolving process. But just to be on the safe side I always put the flame up under close to destroy any unwanted bacteria real quick like.

[poonwhalla]

Yeah don't forget people will try to sell you wrinckle cream made out of rat poop!!!! Cook that shit fo yo own good!!!

[Paregoric Kid]

I don't think holding the flame underneath the spoon is going to help kill bacteria much at all. you'd probably have to hold the flame there so long that all your dope would vaporize before all the bacteria were killed.
also, why IM it, SC is more effective than IM. but I'd never skin pop or IM h, too much crap in it, you'll get an abscess sooner or later.

[Ogre]

Well if you have real crap dope besides useing chems to clean it you got shit dope. Really cooking won't kill some things but it can kill alot of the bad things you don't want sitting in your muscle tissue.
but I do also agree with PK that IM'ing tar is just a bad idea anyway you cut it. Tar is nasty dope and treats your body like shit anyway. I wouldn't Im tar unless I was really fucking sick and had no way of hitting a vein at all.

[candy]

The method of heating black tar heroin only helps to disolve the heroin and does not really kill off any bacteria. As said, you would need to heat it at higher temps to kill off all bacteria. For injecting, I recommend cleaning the site you are going to hit with alcohol of a betadine solution. Make sure your needle is clean and don't share. Also cleaning your equipment between uses will help as well. Most abscesses come from IM injections or a missed shot. The fluid sits in the tissue and acts as a resevoir for bacteria.

The reason the IM injection worked better than SQ is that the muscle metabolizes the dope much faster and it is readily absorbed. I don't recommend any SQ injections. If you do miss, put a warm compress on the site immediately to prevent abscesses.

Vit. C will help to break down the dope faster due to it's acidity. I myself recommend using only sterile water or at least clean water to shoot with. Any substance can cause irritation to the veins and tissues and increases your risks for infection and trouble with veins.

No matter what, we all take risks when buying dope. I doubt my dealer was very conscientious when it came to good handwashing. But most of us have the ability to fight off the bugs that enter our bodies.

As I said above, just keep your equipment clean and use a clean needle whenever possible. If you have Needle Exchange in your area, use them and they are more than happy to provide you with what you need. Always wash your own hands before cooking up a hit. Generally it is just bad habits that lead to infection and abscesses.

Be well and safe!

[red26]

would dropping in a drop of isopro. acohol in with the shot prior to cooking kill the bacteria and evaporate during the cook-up?

[Sgt_Rock]

The method of heating black tar heroin only helps to disolve the heroin and does not really kill off any bacteria. As said, you would need to heat it at higher temps to kill off all bacteria. For injecting, I recommend cleaning the site you are going to hit with alcohol of a betadine solution. Make sure your needle is clean and don't share. Also cleaning your equipment between uses will help as well. Most abscesses come from IM injections or a missed shot. The fluid sits in the tissue and acts as a resevoir for bacteria.

The reason the IM injection worked better than SQ is that the muscle metabolizes the dope much faster and it is readily absorbed. I don't recommend any SQ injections. If you do miss, put a warm compress on the site immediately to prevent abscesses.

Vit. C will help to break down the dope faster due to it's acidity. I myself recommend using only sterile water or at least clean water to shoot with. Any substance can cause irritation to the veins and tissues and increases your risks for infection and trouble with veins.

No matter what, we all take risks when buying dope. I doubt my dealer was very conscientious when it came to good handwashing. But most of us have the ability to fight off the bugs that enter our bodies.

As I said above, just keep your equipment clean and use a clean needle whenever possible. If you have Needle Exchange in your area, use them and they are more than happy to provide you with what you need. Always wash your own hands before cooking up a hit. Generally it is just bad habits that lead to infection and abscesses.

Be well and safe!


Did you read the first reply to my question someone posted? They gave the exact opposite answer saying "boil that shit!","not heating it leads to a greater chance of infection" and "if its hot your not". Giving wrong advice is the worst thing you can do. I also thought the reason for heating is to help disolve the tar completley and not to sterilize it but I honestly dont know for sure.
As ive' explained before do to spinal cord injury i lack the hand controle/dexterity to hit a vein so i have to "muscle it",I was using a 1/2cc insulin syringe and shooting into the front or side of my upper thigh and couldent get high even on 1/4 gram (3 syringes full of dark brown liquid).I did this for 2-3 months then one day i used a huge-ass 10cc syringe w/ a needle the size of a f-kin' nail (well,almost) that i use in my mushroom growing hobby,anyway i loaded one dime and stabbed myself in the thigh an inch deep and I was nodding (literaly) for hours so i guess your right IM works well but SQ doesnt. In the past 6 months ive had 3 or 4 absesses,do you think its probably because i was injectiing large shots SQ? Do you think IM would have less of a chance of infection than SQ?
Also i broke-up a bud and rolled a joint then without washing my hands I rolled a piece of cotton into a ball between my fingers to make the "cotton" i used to shoot with,ill' wash up next time.
Is there a way to "muscle" black tar without risking absesses? One more...Would disolving a very tiny pinch of a crushed/powdered vitamin C tablet in the water before you add the shit help?
Thanks' Peace.

[rebo]

Sgt .Rock ,with your injuries cant you get some serious painkillers and learn how to cook them.In response to your questions ,personally I think I.M shooting leads to abscesses sooner or later no matter what ,and for question 2 ,we used to cook no.3 heroin with a few drops of lemon juice and believe me ,without it ,it didn't work ,so maybe the tar is a no. 3 heroin and needs to be cooked.On the P.H scale ,lemon juice is more acidic than cit c ,it also contains acetic acid which is used in the morphine to h process

[candy]

Sgt. Rock,
I did read all the replys, yes. Being an RN myself and junkie, I certainly would not post any information I felt was wrong or would harm anyone in anyway. I have worked on numerous research projects with the CDC and at Needle Exchange for several years. While heating is the best way to disolve black tar heroin, it will not kill all bacteria.

The best way to prevent abscesses, is to rotate your sites and to massage the area after you hit. If you should develop an area under the skin that feels swollen, apply heat right away. This will help the fluid absorb into the tissues. Most often times what causes abscesses is the fluid sitting in the tissue, where it acts as a resevoir for bacteria.

Not injecting deep enough into the muscle also results in the fluid accumulating below the skin. How long is your needle. You should at least use a needle 1 inch or longer. As well hitting into the larger muscle groups will help. Using the upper part of the thigh or the belly will help to lessen the chance of developing abscesses. It is what I teach clients at Needle Exchange. Keeping your equipment clean as well will help prevent abscesses as well. I know some like to keep their cottons and rinse them, but this is a no-no. I never got a damn thing from rinsing cottons. And when they sit there wet, they just gather bacteria. Anytime you have a wet surface, bacteria will thrive.

It is anyone's guess what bacteria is actually killed off by heating. Recent research has shown that a great deal of the known infective agents have become resistant to heat(except at extremely high temps) as such as with an autoclave, but not to the temps reached from heating your dope.

I hope this clears it up for you.


Also, I would not recommend dissolving your dope in alcohol! Use to keep your equipment clean.

[SomniGod]

Ever tried IV'ing tar with a 1/2cc syringe? What a pain in the ass! The shit is f*&$ing dark, you can't see a register. I can feel when I hit yayo without looking, but not H. When it does make it in, it hits HARD cuz it's so concentrated, but I prefer a watered down 'sure-thing' to a dark 50/50 chance.


~S~

[Sgt_Rock]

Sgt .Rock ,with your injuries cant you get some serious painkillers and learn how to cook them.In response to your questions ,personally I think I.M shooting leads to abscesses sooner or later no matter what ,and for question 2 ,we used to cook no.3 heroin with a few drops of lemon juice and believe me ,without it ,it didn't work ,so maybe the tar is a no. 3 heroin and needs to be cooked.On the P.H scale ,lemon juice is more acidic than cit c ,it also contains acetic acid which is used in the morphine to h process

"Cook painkillers"? you mean somehow extract dope from pain killer tablets or capsules? HOW? Oxy's and dilaudid strenth only or tylenol#3/darvocet strenth? Oxys ect cost $25-$30 ea! i can get plenty of the other? I REPEAT..HOW!
P.S. Ive been adding a tiny pinch of vit. C tablet to my blk tar is that o.k.? Peace.

[rebo]

Don't use vit c ,I repeat ,don't use vit c. It antagonises the opiates out of your body and puts you into wd's faster ,use only freshly squeezed lemon juice. I did meen extracting the active ingredient ,but that depends on what pills you get ,they are so full of binders ,corn flower etc that they have made it difficult to do a proper extraction.
The best way to get around a lot of these binders etc in the slow release tabs is to crush them to powder(work out the quantity ) and drink it ,if it contains parecetamol or asprin do a cold water extraction and go from there .(I also find freezing the powder/ water mix really helps in freeing the active ingredient .I need to know exactly what you have got and maybe I can take you a step further ,but I am not a chemist so you take this advice with caution ,I'm only telling you what works for me.
Good luck!!!

P.s ,you will actually see the difference if you cook your tar with lemon juice ,it draws out the active ingredient nicely. Also vinegar is only about half as effective as lemon juice .We used to use approx. 4 drops of lemon juice to 1/4 weight of no.3 heroin, then add water and cook. I have been told that heat brakes down the morphine in the no.3 ,but you need the heat to bind the acid in the juice to the morphine in the tar. The acid turns the m into a h salt and you get the full effect of the poppy as a lot of the other alkalines are also transfered through. this way you are not isolating one alkaline ,but pretty much all of them. I prefer to cook no.3 h as to bying no.4 h ,then I know I'm getting a fairly clean hit.

[kramorph]

I always use boiling or freshly boiled water.I dont know about black tar, but not alot of germs actually survive in H( fungus is ya main prob).But most pathogenic organisms(ie the ones that cause illness and shit) actually die at temps much above 60*C! I would always heat ya gear, not too much, but enough to just start to boil.That should kill most bugs.It is always better to be safe than sorry.I have known people who have lost limbs due to dirty shots.Instead of lemon juice or vinegar, I would recommend citric acid, but it seems you are already using the safest choice, vit c or ascorbic acid.We always used citric acid when I was in UK scoring freebase smoking smack, mainly coz it was cheap, vit c powder was preferred but often hard to find and a bit exp.The really poor bastards used lemon juice from mouldy old lemons that looked a month old and they boiled the shit in the spoon and never got sick.So who the fuck really knows eh?

[SomniGod]

"Cook painkillers"? you mean somehow extract dope from pain killer tablets or capsules? HOW? Oxy's and dilaudid strenth only or tylenol#3/darvocet strenth? Oxys ect cost $25-$30 ea! i can get plenty of the other? I REPEAT..HOW!
P.S. Ive been adding a tiny pinch of vit. C tablet to my blk tar is that o.k.? Peace.



That's what the search engine is for Rock. There are tons of threads re: bangin pills. A lil legwork will get you the info u want.


~S~

[Tar_Baby]

I wouldnt skin pop tar ..I have some spots that were abcessed from missing my vein..They are black dents in my skin now.
Get someone else to hit you maybe?

[Peripat]

That's what the search engine is for Rock. There are tons of threads re: bangin pills. A lil legwork will get you the info u want.


~S~

Somni is right, Rock. If you look towards the top of the page, you will see a link, third from the right, called "Search" - use it to look through the combined knowledge of the opiophiles here on the opiophorums; that's what it's there for. One or two searches should give you quite a few threads on the subject.

[candy]

Hey SomniGod,
I read your post about injecting with a 1/2 cc syringe. Pull back on the plunger a bit to leave a small space so you can see the register. It will not hurt anything. Yeah a concentrated shot can hurt like hell.

I also wanted to respond to those using lemon juice to disolve your dope.....Don't do it. It can lead to abscesses and is also really hard on the veins and tissues.

If you cannot get ascorbic acid, then using sterile water or clean water is the best choice. Most often infection comes from contaminated equipment, especially the cottons. Use a new cotton each time. When it sits there wet, it is a breeding ground for bacteria. As well, use clean water each time. I have seen many folks use water that has been sitting there in a glass for weeks. Just not healthy. Cleaning your skin before any injection is a good way to prevent infection as well. Most Needle Exchanges will give you alcohol pads to clean the skin and if not, go to the store and get a bottle of rubbing alcohol and some cotton and clean the skin before you inject.

[Sgt_Rock]

Hey SomniGod,
I read your post about injecting with a 1/2 cc syringe. Pull back on the plunger a bit to leave a small space so you can see the register. It will not hurt anything. Yeah a concentrated shot can hurt like hell.

I also wanted to respond to those using lemon juice to disolve your dope.....Don't do it. It can lead to abscesses and is also really hard on the veins and tissues.

If you cannot get ascorbic acid, then using sterile water or clean water is the best choice. Most often infection comes from contaminated equipment, especially the cottons. Use a new cotton each time. When it sits there wet, it is a breeding ground for bacteria. As well, use clean water each time. I have seen many folks use water that has been sitting there in a glass for weeks. Just not healthy. Cleaning your skin before any injection is a good way to prevent infection as well. Most Needle Exchanges will give you alcohol pads to clean the skin and if not, go to the store and get a bottle of rubbing alcohol and some cotton and clean the skin before you inject.

If im "muscling it" why would i try/need to register it? doesnt register mean to pull back the plunger a tiny bit so that blood enters the syringe so that you know your in the vein when injecting introvenously?