potent ass kratom extract to hit the market

[jacky]

a major seller of plant extracts just sent me a new product list.

an extract of kratom, with a ratio of 70% alkaloidal content containg mitragynine and 17-hydroxy mitragynine will be sold for 150% a gram. this is too expensive for my blood. especially when I dont mind swallowing kratom in juice every 5 hours.

I think that people should stay away from markteting these extracts actually, and just use for personal use. obviously this is going to lead to a 95% pure product that can be mainlined, and if that goes on for a time, will most likely be abused in a new fashion, with probable attention from health authorities if overdoses start happening....

I wonder just what the overdose potential of kratom is? I have never heard of a USA kratom related death. I have read one authors descripiton of indigenous use of kratom in thialand (entheogen review) that leads me to believe that overdoses related to kratom HAVE happened in thialand.

be careful with this one folks! a compound in kratom is rumored to be 30 times more potent than morphine, there isnt much of it in kratom, but it can vary in concentration I am sure.

[paesan]

I found a 95% pure extract. It's crazy expensive though $40 for 100mg $300 a g. I don't know who the hell is going to buy this considering you can get shit for cheaper on the street.

[Zoop]

It should be about 1 dollar a mg, if you assume it's almost pure mitrag. alkaloids (preferably with a significant amount of 7-hydroxy), so that a "hit" is around 20-30 bucks, to be competitive with street dope. Kratom has the advantage of not getting you locked up if they find it on you (might have some trouble, but once the analysis comes back, you walk).

[katomic]

if anyone has green fingers and is worried about kratom becoming ileagle. ther is a site online that is selling kratom seeds at the moment k-----dragon.somthing i will buying soon because its inveitabule really.

[kramorph]

Where can one obtain these seeds, as i would assume it is illegal here, just like everything else that may or may not get ya high.If it will kill you thats ok and legal.FUCKHEAD lawmakers.

[MAXELL]

HELLO
NOT THAT I LIKE THROWING BISSINESS TO COMPETATORS, BUT LAST I KNEW. THE BASEMENT SHAMAN SELLS KRATOM PLANTS FOR $93.00 WWW.BASEMENTSHAMAN.COM (http://www.BASEMENTSHAMAN.COM) I KNOW KIND OF PRICEY, BUT SEEDS CAN BE TRICKY SOME WON'T GERMINATE WELL. MAXELL

[katomic]

hears that supplyer kratomdragon.com/kratom-seed2.html (http://www.kratomdragon.com/kratom-seed2.html)

the site is crap but thay sell stuff on www.shroombay.co.uk (http://www.shroombay.co.uk/) i think thay are ok i hope so cos i been looking for them for ageeeeessss

you will need a heated propergator, shamenastralis is the onley place i have found growing info.

thay dont look easy to grow but after the plants are a year old they are much easer to look after and can tolerate extreams more. im gona make my own propergator a tall one that i can leave the plants in ther for a year or so

the sooner you buy the better the chance of germantion
antifungle powder is essential!
peace

[Zoop]

Here is a guy in Redding, California, who sells live kratom plants - I think it said they're about a year old.

here's the link:

http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID5130352P4440876-Live-Kratom-Plant.aspx

Awww, look at the little things, they're cute!

He wants about 49 dollars each for 'em.

HMMMM. Maybe I can convince my wife that we need to grow this thing, just as an addition to the tropical plants we already have in the house - she has absolutely no clue what kratom is.

[jacky]

the 75% kratom extract is a nice product. I would consider a dose at least 50 milligrams. I could do a gram in 24 hours pretty easily. I would like some 17hydroxy mitragynine isolate, and imagine that that compound is pretty strong, but mitragynine in my opinion is not equipotent to morphine.
I still get some stronger effects from poppy seeds if they are good ,than kratom. doing both is the best.

I have use kratom for a few months everyday now, and when using it just by itself I notive less sexual side effects than standard opium. the only drawback is some dizzyness from consuming too much. kratom is a lighter high than standard opiates when you achieve a tolerance, and seems like it may be easier to manage. when I used kratom only before I found an extract called catuama that has been shown to exhibit morphine cross tolerance when used on a dialy basis. when using catuama I could cut my kratom dose by 1/5 every other day without experiencing any "backlash"

I think scheduling kratom will be a mistake, because in whatever countries that dont illegalize it , the plants will quickly become huge money makers, and the extracts will probably be diverted to countries where it is illegal, they could cut kratom extract with opium and I doubt most people would even know the difference.

[Zoop]

Hey Jacky, could you message me and give me some info on how to obtain that 75%?

You are right about too much kratom causing dizziness.

The resin extract is more of a stim. than opi. - don't like as much. I have a little bit at home and I'm saving it for if the mail gets held up and I run out. I have problems if I run out. I keep telling myself, it's better than a D habit, better than a hydro habit, etc. It IS a habit nonetheless.

[Zoop]

Yo, I think I found the site anyway.

Might have to make a small purchase...

[poonwhalla]

It may be a temp fix. SWIM who uses it and it works. However an overall use of that herb will cause permanent black spots on your face if it becomes a day to day thing? Just wondering if this is true that would suck trying to explaine what those black spots are on ur face. Never have tried but don't want to make it a regular thing b/c of that its like spray painting a target on ur face freak's me out to not make it a regular thing.

[Zoop]

The way I undertsand it, it's not really like "black spots," more of a yellowing of the sides of the cheeks. I have been using it pretty much daily for about 9 months, and so far so good. I think this shit starts happening when you use it daily for years. I think those old farts in Thailand who've been drinking kratom their whole lives have this coloration on their faces.

[paesan]

From what I understand habitual (daily) kratom use can cause a darkening of the skin particularly on your face and even more specifically in the cheeks. Also it can cause anorexia in that the user does not need/want to eat as much while using it. Keep in mind who the original users were; Thai laborers who as you can imagine probably work very hard for very little, so the kratom chewing would help save on food and provide the energy they require in order to work effectively with little food energy (e.g. calories, carbs, aminos, etc...)

As far as I know it takes years of heavy daily use for these side effects to manifest. Also the yellowing of the skin could be due in part to the fact that Thai peoples natural skin tone has a slight yellow tint therefore when their skin darkens that way it appears yellowish and resembles jaundice. I myself being Sicilian would probably get a similar color from kratom abuse as my skin tone is olive.

Kratom does appear to be safe as I have read articles in which the writer interviewd long time Kratom addicts many of whom were 10+ years over Thailands national average lifespan. However with these new pure alkaloidal extracts if users begin mainlining there could be a whole new set of health risks/issues which have never been scene due to the fact that this material has never been used in this fasion.

We'll see what happens. Hopefully the fucking moron lawmakers and the DEA will not schedule it because at this point there is no eveidence that it is dangerous and therefore there is no reason it should be prohibited. But you know gov'ts, if it makes you feel good, then it must be bad. I mean our fucking moron of a President GW Bush wants to crack down on weed because it's a gateway drug and leads to other harder addictions such as prigles (once you pop you can't stop). Jailing non violent drug offenders is a complete fucking waste of taxpayer money but the holier than thou neo-cons know best and want to spend tax dollars on good things like locking up college kids for weed instead of helping out the less fortunate and possibly giving them a chance to be a valuable member of society instaid of a poor worthless societal burden.

Anyone (specifically here in the states) who disagrees with the WOD who disagrees with the current drug policy in any aspect should become a member of the Drug Policy Alliance @ www.drugpolicy.org and (http://www.drugpolicy.org and) do their part to fight back against the war on drugs. It's a great website that alerts you of new bills and provides templates & gov't contacts info so that you can make your voice heard.

It's rediculous that the biggest and richest drug dealers in the world can peddle their shit to the masses and get benefits for doing so. Just because a doctor (who half the time are paid by the pharma co's to peddle their shit) tells you that you need something and the drug companies sell it than no problem. You know your own body much better than a doc who will make a generalized diagnosis and give you some synthetic shit to "fix" you. Many times these bandaids do not work and can cause very serious and even fatal side effects. But if you self medicate with a substance not manufactured and sold by the corporate drug czars than you are a criminal that deserves to be locked up because you are a danger to yourself and others, which is complete fucking bullshit. A drug is a drug licit and illicit alike. If you are using antidepressants to make yourself happier and improve your life than you are technically a drug addict and no different than the functional opiate user who is doing opioids for the same reason. Granted some people are unable to use moderately and use becomes a serious problem but if that drug were legalized, controlled (quality etc...), taxed and made readily available many of the current drug issues we have would virtually disappear.

All I'm saying is that if something is making you happier, and helping you to be emotionally and as a result physically healthier than what is the problem with doing it. As long as it's not endangering anyone else or causing any damage to anything but yourself it should be a non-issue. Laws should be made for 1 reason and 1 reason alone, to protect. What one chooses to do to onself is their own fucking business. If you feel something is morally wrong than don't do it, and also keep your fucking mouth shut if other people want to do it because it's not affecting you.

OK I went off on a tangent on that one huh??? Sorry about that guys I'm kinda high and very agitated as one of my good friends just got sentenced to 12 months in county for half a fucking blunt!!! Anyway thanks for letting me vent.

Paesan

[RotationMethod]

Will someone please educate me on this subject? Exactly what is Kratom? What are the effects? How safe is it? I assume that it is currently legal. Is that correct? Where can I obtain it? Online? Herb Shops, etc.? Can kratom be taken in conjunction with methadone? Thanks a lot for the help. I really appreciate it.

[Paregoric Kid]

here is something I found on bluelight. Mitragynine = 0.26 x morphine
7-Hydroxymitragynine (7-OHM) = 10.71 x morphine
Mitragynine pseudoindoxyl (MPI) = 30.67 x morphine

I didn't really read much about MPI before, but apparently it is stronger than 7-hydroxymitragynine, but I think it isn't a pure mu agonist like 7-ohm; I think MPI is like mitragynine and binds to delta receptors and has mu crossover.

I would like to experiment with more kratom extracts, I've used 50% alkaloid extract from MJB but it only seemed a few times stronger than regular kratom.

anyone have information on how to do a good alkaloid extract on kratom?

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

From what I understand habitual (daily) kratom use can cause a darkening of the skin particularly on your face and even more specifically in the cheeks. Also it can cause anorexia in that the user does not need/want to eat as much while using it. Keep in mind who the original users were; Thai laborers who as you can imagine probably work very hard for very little, so the kratom chewing would help save on food and provide the energy they require in order to work effectively with little food energy (e.g. calories, carbs, aminos, etc...)

As far as I know it takes years of heavy daily use for these side effects to manifest. Also the yellowing of the skin could be due in part to the fact that Thai peoples natural skin tone has a slight yellow tint therefore when their skin darkens that way it appears yellowish and resembles jaundice. I myself being Sicilian would probably get a similar color from kratom abuse as my skin tone is olive.

Kratom does appear to be safe as I have read articles in which the writer interviewd long time Kratom addicts many of whom were 10+ years over Thailands national average lifespan. However with these new pure alkaloidal extracts if users begin mainlining there could be a whole new set of health risks/issues which have never been scene due to the fact that this material has never been used in this fasion.

We'll see what happens. Hopefully the fucking moron lawmakers and the DEA will not schedule it because at this point there is no eveidence that it is dangerous and therefore there is no reason it should be prohibited. But you know gov'ts, if it makes you feel good, then it must be bad. I mean our fucking moron of a President GW Bush wants to crack down on weed because it's a gateway drug and leads to other harder addictions such as prigles (once you pop you can't stop). Jailing non violent drug offenders is a complete fucking waste of taxpayer money but the holier than thou neo-cons know best and want to spend tax dollars on good things like locking up college kids for weed instead of helping out the less fortunate and possibly giving them a chance to be a valuable member of society instaid of a poor worthless societal burden.

Anyone (specifically here in the states) who disagrees with the WOD who disagrees with the current drug policy in any aspect should become a member of the Drug Policy Alliance @ www.drugpolicy.org and (http://www.drugpolicy.org and) do their part to fight back against the war on drugs. It's a great website that alerts you of new bills and provides templates & gov't contacts info so that you can make your voice heard.

It's rediculous that the biggest and richest drug dealers in the world can peddle their shit to the masses and get benefits for doing so. Just because a doctor (who half the time are paid by the pharma co's to peddle their shit) tells you that you need something and the drug companies sell it than no problem. You know your own body much better than a doc who will make a generalized diagnosis and give you some synthetic shit to "fix" you. Many times these bandaids do not work and can cause very serious and even fatal side effects. But if you self medicate with a substance not manufactured and sold by the corporate drug czars than you are a criminal that deserves to be locked up because you are a danger to yourself and others, which is complete fucking bullshit. A drug is a drug licit and illicit alike. If you are using antidepressants to make yourself happier and improve your life than you are technically a drug addict and no different than the functional opiate user who is doing opioids for the same reason. Granted some people are unable to use moderately and use becomes a serious problem but if that drug were legalized, controlled (quality etc...), taxed and made readily available many of the current drug issues we have would virtually disappear.

All I'm saying is that if something is making you happier, and helping you to be emotionally and as a result physically healthier than what is the problem with doing it. As long as it's not endangering anyone else or causing any damage to anything but yourself it should be a non-issue. Laws should be made for 1 reason and 1 reason alone, to protect. What one chooses to do to onself is their own fucking business. If you feel something is morally wrong than don't do it, and also keep your fucking mouth shut if other people want to do it because it's not affecting you.

OK I went off on a tangent on that one huh??? Sorry about that guys I'm kinda high and very agitated as one of my good friends just got sentenced to 12 months in county for half a fucking blunt!!! Anyway thanks for letting me vent.

Paesan

Paesan I just have to say that was a GREAT rant!! You rock!!

[Canis aureus]

Yeah,

hopefully it stays legal... I don't know any kratom related deths; the dizzyness being rather hard, if taken alot (I mean alot)... One couldn't rise up from bed for hours, when one did extract by oneself (and took bit heavy dose, because eyballscaled that.

[speciosa]

Pure 7-hydroxymitragynine (99%+ analytical purity) is available now as a tincture in alcohol, for anyone who wants to investigate it. (See post in vendors forum).

As well as 250x extract (90%+ full spectrum of Kratom alkaloids) and 250x extract enhanced with 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OHM proportionally tripled relative to other alkaloids, and standardized). Prices are competitive.

All of these materials are very interesting, especially the pure 7-OHM for those who are curious; and the extracts can be a godsend for anyone who is detoxing / going through withdrawals from harder, more addictive opioids.

[Hammilton]

I see Kratom is now on the DEA chemicals of concern (ironic considering it isn't a chemical...), but I'm not surprized. Anything that's effective (unlike Damaina or Catnip) is going to be scheduled.

Wait for some jackass to buy some of that pure 7-HO-M and shoot up 150mg while taking shots of southern comfort. Watch him wind up in the morgue. Then, turn on CNN and watch them cry on and on about how terrible it is that this great kid had to die such a terrible death because of this evil drug. "He had such a great future ahead of him, and now its been taken from him" they'll say.

Thats what they say now about this kid who committed suicide months after using salvia. No one ever wants to blame the dead for their actions.

[jacky]

it should be said while kratom can take away some aspects of opiate withdrawl , that kratom itself is addictive...I am not the only opiophile that found themselves physically addicted to kratom after an extended period of using it daily for months...one person on this forum actually went and got on buprenorphine to get off the kratom train.

that isnt to say that I think the material is dangerous, and I was fully aware that I might expect some sort of withdrawl from taking kratom for months at a time. the problem I think is kratoms relatively short action, I would need to dose every 4-5 hours at least to keep from getting uncomfortable. I did notice a positive effect of a ceiling dose that I do not experience with morphine or other opiates, in that I could only really stomach taking 30-50 grams of kratom daily, anymore than that didnt make me feel any better. I personally think kratom is more addictive than morphine in some respects, mainly that it is shorter acting, and thus an addict is going to need to dose more than with long lasting opiates.

kratom is a godsend though, no doubt, and my favorite way to use it is in conjunction with standard/classic good ol M....kratom is like the pepper next to my favorite salt. a great spice.

[zombiewoof23]

Has anybody bit on Speciosa's pitch yet? Seems interesting and not priced too bad. I was wondering if anybody had any experiences with this vendor yet?

[cronosaegis]

Has anybody bit on Speciosa's pitch yet? Seems interesting and not priced too bad. I was wondering if anybody had any experiences with this vendor yet?

I ordered the .5 gram a week or two ago. I paid for two day shipping, and got it in 2 days.

The product was quality, and was potent.

I mixed what remained, after an initial experimenting period, with a baggie of 10x. It added to the potency of the 10x.

Any other questions ? PM me.

[orchidfanatic]

Where can one obtain these seeds, as i would assume it is illegal here, just like everything else that may or may not get ya high.If it will kill you thats ok and legal.FUCKHEAD lawmakers.

last I looked you can get kratom plants on ebay.. I have two I am nursing to larger size then in the ground they go .. sub tropical area here so they do fine in the ground..
also got a coca twig.. from europe I hope I can nusrse it to life.

[Narkotikon]

Thats what they say now about this kid who committed suicide months after using salvia. No one ever wants to blame the dead for their actions.

Or how about even the situations that put them there. I mean, I expect people to take responsibility for their actions, but how can you blame some girl for getting hooked on drugs because she was rapped and constantly replays it in her mind, or a guy who got beat up everyday in elementary school when everyone he looked up to didn't do a damned thing about it. Like I said, I think people should realize that no one put the drugs into them, but I definitely think it's easier for some than other's because of a lack of social support. I mean, we're all human, if we're in need, we're going to do what makes us feel better. And yes, I'm tired of those CNN things saying it's all the drug's fault and the kid was perfect.