Suby's and Drug Tests..

[Flood]

Yeah, so im having some issues getting a job now because as my Doc has told me. Subs come up as an Opiate in drug tests.. Its kinda a catch 22 though. I either bring them a note from my doc and they dont give me the job because ive had problems in the past or I dont bring a note and it looks like im doing drugs now.

I guess my question is how long do I have to be off the subys for them to leave my system so I can piss clean? Dont know if it helps, but I take the 8/2 ones.

Oh and also.. I know this probably doesnt belong here, but I took an x pill about a week ago (Was a dumb thing to do, but shit im an addict). Does anyone know how long it takes for X to leave your system?

[tptptp]

I call bullshit on your doc, subs will NOT show up as opiates on a drug test. They need to test specifically for subs which is additional, expensive cost to them. Since there aren't a whole lot of people on subs I doubt anyone aside from maybe big government jobs do. Even then as long as you have a script if you come up dirty they cant legally do a fucking thing to you about it, even though im sure that wouldnt be a good thing.

As faras pissing clean from subs, WD will kick your ass so hard I dont see you going in for a piss test by the time its out of your system...

[Chipper]

About 5 days for the x pill - you would be ok with that one. Don't know about subs tho'

[Flood]

Thanks for the info.. My Doc is kinda strange. I keep hearing people say the best thing to do with subs is to taper off em right when you start em and my doc wants me to stay on em for a year. Anytime I talk to him about WD's from them he tells me not to worry about it and skips to a new subject. Sucks cause not only do I pay 8$ per pill I have to pay my doc 100$ per visit. I see him once a month for 5 min. at a time. 100$ for 5min? Shit...

[tptptp]

If you havent been on subs long taper yourself but quick - and dont say anything so you have extra pills, of course he doesnt want to talk about WD and wants an auatomatic $100 5 min visit appointment.

If it werent for doctors getting richer there would be no methadone clinics and sub programs, they keep that shit alive! They definitely want you to keep coming back.

[OxyContinuously]

standard tests do not test for bupe.
as for the X, it's an amphetamine so 72 hours max.

[Flood]

If you havent been on subs long taper yourself but quick - and dont say anything so you have extra pills, of course he doesnt want to talk about WD and wants an auatomatic $100 5 min visit appointment.

If it werent for doctors getting richer there would be no methadone clinics and sub programs, they keep that shit alive! They definitely want you to keep coming back.

I've been taking the subs for about 7 months now. Is it still possible for me to taper myself off em? I feel like a prisoner to these goddamn pills. I just wanna live my life with no chemicals in my blood stream. Im so sick of being dependent on drugs to function like a normal human being.

[tptptp]

I've been taking the subs for about 7 months now. Is it still possible for me to taper myself off em? I feel like a prisoner to these goddamn pills. I just wanna live my life with no chemicals in my blood stream. Im so sick of being dependent on drugs to function like a normal human being.

Well of course you CAN taper but 7 months in its gonna be painful, some even suggest going back to a short acting opiate for a while, this stuffs WD isnt super EXTREME but it lasts soooooo long because of the half life.

Sitar has tapered down to like .375mg now but its been a few months....

I've heard WD has even been felt by thsoe who tapered to .125mg so yeah

[Flood]

Great.. Im thinking of just trying it cold turkey. Just hope it isnt so bad that I end up out getting my DOC to help the pain.

[tptptp]

How much are you taking? I would at least try to taper with the pills you have left than going cold turkey but its all up to you...make sure you have plenty of time off and your responsibilities taken care of its a long WD it varies alot from person to person though, some people amazingly dont get it that bad, most, however do.

[Flood]

I take one 8/2 pill a day. It sucks though. Sometimes I get the sweats from it and it dries my head out real bad. My face was super dry and I have to use medicated shampoo now because it was giving me horrible dandruf. I know its the pills because i've never had any of these problems before.

[drugsaregood]

I get pee tested and the subs don't show up. I wish they did though, then I could use other shit and say it was the subs!

[Sitar]

You will be fine for the test as the Subs will not show up.

And yes, you certainly can taper off the Subs relatively easily. I've gotten down to just .375 mgs a day within 4 months time from the start of the taper. I could have done it even faster if I had wanted to. I plan on being totally done with it sometime in April or maybe early May.

As long as you're really ready to quit and be done with the drugs, tapering off the Subs will be no problem. A prescription for Clonidine will help the taper go even smoother.

[Papa Verine]

Great.. Im thinking of just trying it cold turkey. Just hope it isnt so bad that I end up out getting my DOC to help the pain.

Where in this thread was this suggested???

[Skript]

Thanks for the info.. My Doc is kinda strange. I keep hearing people say the best thing to do with subs is to taper off em right when you start em and my doc wants me to stay on em for a year. Anytime I talk to him about WD's from them he tells me not to worry about it and skips to a new subject. Sucks cause not only do I pay 8$ per pill I have to pay my doc 100$ per visit. I see him once a month for 5 min. at a time. 100$ for 5min? Shit...

Shit i had to see my sub doc every week at $100/visit... then 105 to fill a weeks script.. The hell with that ill just get high.. good luck tho, id taper and get off em them things made me anti social.. 2mg/day is easy to get to.
Oh yea ive taken a few 10panel drug tests and bupe never showed up and neither did hydrocodone..

[Diluted]

Great.. Im thinking of just trying it cold turkey. Just hope it isnt so bad that I end up out getting my DOC to help the pain.

Hey flood. I totaly understand. Usualy, when I'm in active addiction.. I run to the nearest Methadone/Bupe DR. with a passion. I explain to people this is it. Trust me family/friends/etc, this makes me normal. Then of course, you do get normal. I'm one of those people with a balancing act in their head. If addiction is a disease, then do we need medicine - such as Bupe/Methadone - to treat it? We look purely on the addictiveness of the drug and wish for nothing at all. Yet, in all my years of using.. and recovery (recovery seems to be nearly just as long for some reason) I function the best.. work the best.. and am the best son and SO to my GF when I'm on bupe/methadone. Sometimes I too want nothing. I lasted about 90 days in an NA/AA program with no medicine.

Someone told me to take Suboxone and Methadone - and instead of making them your drug of choice, make them your Recovery of Choice. I'm learning that ones dose is individual, just like any other medicine. (high blood pressure, cholestoral, etc.) Why would you want to stop taking Lipitor if you could die? Ours is the deadliest. For now, though, I'll stick with bupe. Yet - I think straight from any AA/NA book: "The delussion of any drug addict is that her or she will be able to use narcotics again like a normal person." It's not going to happen.

The best dose is the lowest dose that makes you feel comfortable.

[OxyContinuously]

well said, Diluted

[Flood]

Hey flood. I totaly understand. Usualy, when I'm in active addiction.. I run to the nearest Methadone/Bupe DR. with a passion. I explain to people this is it. Trust me family/friends/etc, this makes me normal. Then of course, you do get normal. I'm one of those people with a balancing act in their head. If addiction is a disease, then do we need medicine - such as Bupe/Methadone - to treat it? We look purely on the addictiveness of the drug and wish for nothing at all. Yet, in all my years of using.. and recovery (recovery seems to be nearly just as long for some reason) I function the best.. work the best.. and am the best son and SO to my GF when I'm on bupe/methadone. Sometimes I too want nothing. I lasted about 90 days in an NA/AA program with no medicine.

Someone told me to take Suboxone and Methadone - and instead of making them your drug of choice, make them your Recovery of Choice. I'm learning that ones dose is individual, just like any other medicine. (high blood pressure, cholestoral, etc.) Why would you want to stop taking Lipitor if you could die? Ours is the deadliest. For now, though, I'll stick with bupe. Yet - I think straight from any AA/NA book: "The delussion of any drug addict is that her or she will be able to use narcotics again like a normal person." It's not going to happen.

The best dose is the lowest dose that makes you feel comfortable.

Yeah, I hear ya. Im also very active in NA. Got a home group, a sponser I call on a daily basis and im working my steps and such. I goto 6 meetings a week (Take Sunday off). I am scared i'd go back to H as I still long for the feeling I used to get. I do however realize that my addiction is only gonna lead me to the grave. I cant do anything casually.. I certainly wasnt a "functioning addict". At the moment im 7 and a half months clean if it wasnt for the X fuck up. I dont know. I just want my life back ya know? Like how it was before I turned to H for comfort... I fear it'll never happen though and thats fucked..

[Diluted]

I just want my life back ya know? Like how it was before I turned to H for comfort... I fear it'll never happen though and thats fucked..

It's over for that. You can't keep looking in the past or at other non addicts wishing that you never tasted the fruit of the poppy. It's over, done with. You've experienced living life with an opiate in your system. Nothing, ever, will match that. I remember when I tried to stop smoking cigarettes, an old hippie told me: "Just remember, you'll want a cigarette every day for the rest of your life." The same goes for opiates - if not more. "I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who need reasons when you've got heroin?"

You'll never get your old life back - You'll get your new life back with a better understanding. I went to the ARC center in my town (addoloscent recovery center) and I got the chance to speak to a bunch of under 18 yos about drugs. I felt like Chris Farley in the LIVING IN THE VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER scene.. yet the sad thing was.. I did live in a van, near the gulf of mexico, for about six months. (I was sober remember! No opiates! I was just drinking $30 of liquor every night at the bar across the street.) It was on a resort island on the west coast of Florida - the van belonged to friends of the family and they'd let me use their outside shower to bathe, and the laundry mat was a trolly ride away. It was an interesting experience. It produced alot of journal entrys, and I made a lot of friends and slept with a lot of girls on spring break. I shared this with the kids and I almost glorified the whole process. What I wanted to tell them was get out before it's too late. I try and avoid thinking "No nod never again?!" That's just.. scary. Last night, my GF and I went to downtown Sarasota to the bookstore. I ended up having a mucho margarita with dinner.. first time I drank in awhile. We walked up and down downtown and bought a few items, smoked a few cigarettes.. and drove back. It was fun, a good experience for both of us.. yet, never, ever, ever as good as a nod from a few oc80s and a bowl of vanilla icecream and the history channel. Yet, if you've never experienced that -- you can't compare it too -- see what I'm saying?

I try not to burn my self out with NA. I hit my homegroup (twice a week) and sometimes throw in a meeting I've never been too. Burnout from NA sucks. You can repeat "How it works" in your head.. instead, I like going on the functions. Camping, going out to dinner after a meeting.. thats what I really like.. I'm sure most people do too.

If you're ever in Tampa Bay area stop by and we can go fishing and snorkling. Not as fun as a good knod, but still - it's pretty damn fun. Sex with random women is my D.O.C. :) I'm sure it's not healthy for me to harass tons of girls on myspace, and yahoo chat.. but having sex with a person for the first time is an exhilariting process. Besides, one good point about methadone and sub..

We can pound away for a loooongg time. :)

[BizzyBone]

i was just gonna say that subs are way worse comeing off cold turkey in my opinion its worser then pods, oxy , and also morphine..ive heard alot of people say the same...i dont know about methadone because ive never got the chance to take it more then a day or 2 at a time

[roxi*stardust]

Thanks for the info.. My Doc is kinda strange. I keep hearing people say the best thing to do with subs is to taper off em right when you start em and my doc wants me to stay on em for a year. Anytime I talk to him about WD's from them he tells me not to worry about it and skips to a new subject. Sucks cause not only do I pay 8$ per pill I have to pay my doc 100$ per visit. I see him once a month for 5 min. at a time. 100$ for 5min? Shit...
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[Diluted]

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[tptptp]

Shit i had to see my sub doc every week at $100/visit... then 105 to fill a weeks script.. The hell with that ill just get high.. good luck tho, id taper and get off em them things made me anti social.. 2mg/day is easy to get to.
Oh yea ive taken a few 10panel drug tests and bupe never showed up and neither did hydrocodone..

Dude, you're getting jipped! Gotta call around to a few docs cause most are rip offs