Research Chemicals

[theobarbital]

i have been wondering what is smart and what is a trap.
swim has had no trouble finding crazy research chems, euphoriants, hallucins, as well as all kind a tranks.

is it safe to order off these sites, they seem legit. just presents questions.

[Chemical_Boy]

I have often wondered the same thing myself.

I think a lot of it is the whole "it's only illegal if you get caught" theory. Maybe I am wrong, but I think most RC companies are outside of the states these days.

[Papa Verine]

It's a gamble. I know of people buying every pharm. you can think of from the internet but it's like buying on the street now. You might get conterfeit drugs, nothing, arrested... who knows?

[Sitar]

RCs on line used to be extremely easy to find, cheap, and always reliable.

And then the WebTryp bust brought it all down. I think there are some overseas companies now selling some RC materials, but I couldn't say how reliable they'd be.

[theobarbital]

RCs on line used to be extremely easy to find, cheap, and always reliable.

And then the WebTryp bust brought it all down. I think there are some overseas companies now selling some RC materials, but I couldn't say how reliable they'd be.


all these places have a degree of dodginess, but damn, some of this i could only dream of DPT, 5meodipt, AMT, all sorts of chemicals whose only purpose is to make you feel good.
however i heard that DPT was the most demonic substance known to man.

[Hammilton]

i didn't think so. I found it to be plenty fine. I never found any RC to be better than what I can get from a dealer, though. I mean, they don't seem to have anything on acid or shrooms, and at 5 a tab and 20 a 1/8, I never saw a reason to mess with them a whole lot.

I did develop a fondness for 4-hydroxy-diisopropyltryptamine, though.

[Sitar]

Oh yes, 4-HO-DiPT kicked my ass bigtime, and my friend as well. Probably the strongest trip of my life, even including mushrooms and acid experience.

We both took a little more (about 30 mgs) than the standard recommended dose and wound up seriously regretting it. The first half of the trip was amazing; incredibly powerful visuals and what seemed like complete telepathy between us. The second half was a full-blown complete nightmare bad trip, ego-death, and we thought we were permanently insane. Text-book bad trip basically.

And it lasted FAR longer than all the books and websites say it should. Every source I'd read about said that it lasts no longer than maybe 3 hours. We were both out of our minds tripping strongly for about 8 solid hours, more than twice what is commonly reported. I would expect a little increase in duration from the higher dose, but that's ridiculous.

[SuperJunky]

If you know where to look you can get just about any pharmautical or research chem you could ever want if you know where to go. I've seen businesses run through hushmail work just fine, and I've seen things that look legit be completly bunk. Its always a risk of being ripped off but I wouldnt really worry about being arested. It can happen but its not very likly. You usualy just get a love letter, even w/ schedule I and II drugs unless you order a huge quanity, and even then it usualy just gets confiscated. Theres one research chem company out of canada thats good and another one out of the south pacific, I've heard of a few others but dont know much about them. Ketamine and Benzos/sedatives are super easy to get, so is tramadol. Other things are hit or miss. Good luck and please dont PM me and ask for sources, this isnt the place, I havnt bouht most of these things myself, its mostly others that I know. OTIK = others that I know lol

[CMonk]

I always thought 2cb and AMT were both pretty fun. I tried a bunch of other ones and they all seemed second rank.

I found DPT to be very malevolent, especially in high doses

[jacky]

there are various small research circles still distributing stuff, but you have to be on the ins I guess.

also there is a company in canada that was shipping some 2c's around, great prices, fast delivery, and even would send free samples.

but it is nothing like it was a few years ago.

I want to make a t-shirt of one of the old jlf catalogs research chem section.
pcp precursors, various phens and trypt., loose powdered tramadol, ghb type compounds, bzp type compounds, various chems that occur in chocolate, arecoling hydrobromide, etc etc.
I know that some of those listed can still be bought with little worry.
that section was a treasure trove for sure.

at least there is alot of mescaline, lsa, dmt, 5meo dmt, bufotenine, beta-carboline, cocaine, and opium containing material sourceable still.

I know a person involved with ethnobotanicals, HPLC chemical isolation from plants, and similiar ventures, he has been raided twice before, both time no charges were brought up.
the owner told me that if its a pure compound and controlled, or an analog of certian controlled substances then you have to be careful, and if you get caught selling you are screwed.....but if you are selling materials that are raw plant products, or crude resins, then the DEA isnt as interested.
He feels confident enough, they didnt blink an eye at certian extracts he makes that contain small amounts of ibogaine, and passed over alot of plant material, fully knowing what some of it was apparently.

the last research chem I bought online was IAP. a great mdma like compound, with long effects, no serotonin crash, and I was getting some visuals similiar to thc and morphine combos. nice stuff. too bad I only bought a couple of doses.
shortly after the whole research chem thing went down, and I have not seen IAP mentioned or avialable again.

[Boudica]

I found the jlf log, jacky, on a google. Interesting, to looks to be quite depleted, sadly.

[jacky]

yeah, around 4-5 years ago the FDA and DEA raided jlf and seized some 800,000$ in the bank.

there were two deaths associated with 2ct-7 that JLF had sold an individual, the individual passed the materials on to the people who overdosed. so the DEA and FDA made a deal with JLF to limit the research chems, and to take all ghb/trypt/phen/tramadol out of the catalog.

cactus chips, opium pods, dmt containing material etc was not considered. JLF remained in business, and the owner still scrapes toad skins off the roads everyyear to supply dried toad skins that contain morphine to the general public.
yeah!!

[OxyContinuously]

I personally enjoyed DPT immensely, and gained a lot from it.

Dose: 100mg weighed out

Method: Insufflation

Duration: about four solid hours, give or take. Don't believe them when they ay you peak for an hour and are done by 3--that's BS.

Would you Repeat?: Sure, in a heartbeat

Type of "high" compared to, oh say, maybe San Pedro: a huge, huge, psychedelic experience

[Sitar]

Research chems I've seen in a nutshell:

Weirdest experience- DiPT distorting sounds and music radically for 12 hours; very novel

Quickest experience- DPT taken rectally; came on in 5 minutes, lasted 2 hours

Yuckiest experiences- 5-MeO-AMT felt like nauseating, brain-damaging poison; IAP felt like a nasty stimulant version of DXM, unpleasant and nauseating

Most intense experience- 4-HO-DiPT was the strongest and most complete trip; terribly bad trip with ego death, overwhelmingly intense visuals, and a sense of permanent insanity, very much like LSD

Most pleasant experience- 2C-I was very relaxed, visually stimulating, and completely controllable with no bad head trip

There were a few others I saw like 5-MeO-MiPT, 2C-T2, and 2C-T7 and they were all interesting in their own ways. 5-MeO-MiPT was a very non-descript trip with not much visual activity; controllable but very potent. 2C-T2 and 2C-T7 both produced too much nausea to be able to experiment with them past a +1 experience.

So there you have it, folks.

[AWOL]

Careful with DPT .... I'm not even going to write down my experience with that one, .... I'll just say be careful.

[chemboy7]

Anyone else here ever smoke DPT? Much more intense and it has a rush that is comparable to smoked 5-Meo-DMT without that slightly evil feeling that usually accompanies it. Smoking it (in the right doses anyways) actually blast you into a completely different world much like DMT/5-Meo-DMT but more colorful and euphoric and longer lasting. DPT is actually very similar to DMT from a molecular standpoint, so is DET. DET and DPT are longer acting and more potent than DMT as a result of altering the CH3 part of the DMT side-chain to CH2CH3 and CH2CH2CH3 respectively, I also assume that is why they are active orally without a MAOI while DMT isn't.

There is actually a church that considers DPT to be one of it's eucharist (they call it their "angel of the host") and consider it their direct link to their god believe it or not; they call themselves the Temple of the True Inner Light and are based in New York. Their preferred way to consume their DPT is either to drink it in a solution they have prepared or by smoking out of what they consider holy pipes. Acording to Shulgin in TIHKAL they have operated without being bothered by any government agency or police, then again that book was published 10 years ago (I know it doesn't seem that long but it came out in 1997) who knows if they have faced legal problems since then; if I had to bet I would probably guess that they have.

I actually like DPT (and DET) very much, I don't understand why everyone else is complaining of negative experiences... it is certainly less over-powering and sinister than DMT or 5-Meo-DMT. One thing I have noticed with DPT is it is one of the few Tryptamines that the duration is not drawn out by using higher doses, just increased effects. It can blast you out of reality like a cannon but I have never had anything but possitive effects from DPT; 5-Meo-DPT on the other hand is a completely different story, 5-Meo-DiPT (foxy methoxy) is an awesome psychedelic right up there with Mescaline and LSD in my opinion though. But yeah, if DPT frightens you stay away from DMT/5-Meo-DMT... you definately wouldn't enjoy that.

[CMonk]

I enjoyed smoked DPT much more then snorted. The one truly bad DPT experience I had was snorting, the rest were neither fun nor bad.

[Sitar]

I smoked DPT several times at various doses (actually it was vaporized) and it was never very intense at all. It was more like being really stoned with a psychedelic sparkle to it for a couple hours and then suddenly dropped off. Absolutely nothing like what I've read DMT as being described. It stank so horribly like sulfur when smoked. It ruined the straw afterward with that stench.

I could never bring myself to try snorting it, after seeing how painful it appeared to be to everyone else. And their puking didn't help either. Rectal use of it produced full-blown effects in 5 minutes and was fairly intense.

And DiPT was a really weird one. Funny thing about that is that it seems like 10% or so of the population cannot perceive any effects whatsoever from DiPT. I know about 20 people that tried it and 2 or 3 of them didn't feel one little thing, even with strong doses. Nothing whatsoever, while everybody else was tripping and hearing everything super low, etc. One of them even tried it repeatedly with the same results. Really odd.