i use naltrexone to kick QUICKLY

[muz]

I've found that if i need to kick a moderate Heroin Habit (3-5 bags a day) If i take 12 mgs of naltrexone once the first day (maybe once on the 2nd day, too), i can cut down the physical wd to about 3 days. Much better than the normal 5-7 days. It dosen't feel good at all, but it seems to quicken the process, and combined with other meds like clonidine, bentyl, and flexeril, and clonopin, it makes for a fairly rapid and (relatively) painless detox.
ANYone else ever used naltrexone to kick heroin? Not for maintaining sobriety but the for actual KICKING?

[kramorph]

Ive been there done that too.Its the only thing that has ever got me to stop using for a while. But its best to go as long as ya can without using your opiate of choice and then take as small a dose of naltrexone that is effective.You can always take more, but you CANNOT stop the withdrawals if you take a large amount.I have found !/4 of a 50mg tab to be heaps, ie about 12.5mgs.All you need to do is take one or two doses, suffer through 12 hours or so of w/d's, and then ya clean.Sounds too easy but it aint.The hard bit is staying clean, as you are also almost as intolerant as you were before using the first time. You can take 1/4 to 1 tab everyday or second day as this is usually enough to block even large doses of H, but it depends on what ya call large.I have taken 1/2g of decent H whilst taking 50mgs daily naltrexone and didnt feel a single thing, not even an initial tickle!But dont take my word for it as we are all different and you should get proper advice first.(that is if ya can find a good doc who will tell you the TRUTH, otherwise look it up yaself in the merck manual or better still, Goodman and Gillman- The pharmacological treatment ......(I cant remember the rest of the title), but Im sure any good pharmacology textbook should be ok. If ya do take a naltrexone tab the w/d's start about 10-20 mins after swallowing, can be quite severe, but start to subside after about 4-6hrs and ya feel better about 12hrs after swallowing, but aint 100% for a week or two. Hope this helps someone, although I do love opioids, they can cause us lots of problems,90% of which are caused by the LAWS prohibiting the use etc etc etc.

[jacky]

My experience with 50 milligrams a day and then using heroin wasnt a premium high, there was a slightly muted feeling, and I had to use more H than I normally would on a relapse.....I was suprised to feel anything at all.
I dont think this drug works as good as the Doctors think, according to them I shouldnt have felt anything, but as I stated I ended up with a long acting high once I had used enough.

I am really interested in the previous two posts regarding using Naltrexone as a withdrawl precipitater.

[kramorph]

Thats basically how Ive used it, to bring on w/d and get it over quick. Dr's reckon you should wait three to five days after last using H. But like I told the Dr, if I could go that long sick etc. then I wouldnt bloody need naltrexone. For apparently intelligent people, some docs really are extremely DUMB. How can you spend 6 years at uni, pass exams, yet still know fuck all about medicine???(I dont mean just addiction either).

[bi11i]

I am really interested in the previous two posts regarding using Naltrexone as a withdrawl precipitater.Damn, that is a fucking great idea. So once you induce the Naltrexone, there's really no way of getting back, eh? Anyone else here sped up there WD's by taking Naltrexone.

I tell ya, many a kick I've given up on because my brain just wouldn't let the pain go on - if I had something like Naltrexone to tell my brain to shut the hell up, I could make it, easily.

[kramorph]

That is exactly it bi11i. Once you pop that pill, that is it w/d's, but it also gets it over and done with quicker. None of that arguing with yourself, trying to convince yourself, beating yourself up etc etc. You still get all the sypmtoms, depression aswell, but its over in less than 24hrs.Plus half a 50mg tab will block opiates for 24-36hrs completely, and partially for up to 5 days. It is the ONLY thing that has got me to stop using, even if only for a short period.I dont recommend the implants though, but they apparently work well for some. Anyway if ya really wanna get through the addiction barrier, and get back in control, instead of being controlled by the addiction, then naltrexone is a very effective way to go.

[muz]

Damn, that is a fucking great idea. So once you induce the Naltrexone, there's really no way of getting back, eh?
I tell ya, many a kick I've given up on because my brain just wouldn't let the pain go on - if I had something like Naltrexone to tell my brain to shut the hell up, I could make it, easily.

Yep, there's no going back to getting any effects or relief from taking opiates once you induce wdwls with Naltrexone. It would take a few days to be able to use opiates again and have them work for you, but by that time, you've "kicked" and it's purely the mental addiction that can make you crave opiates. That's the hardest part. I do think that there could be great value in combatting addiction with a Naltrexone implant, because you KNOW that whatever you do, however much $ you spend on opiates, you won't be able to get high, and you have the psychic part of cravings taken care of from that angle. With the pills you HAVE to take them or you'll be tempted to use opiates. With the implant, you don't have to take the pills. You have no choice. Knowing you can't get high no matter what would definitely "Tell your brain to shut the hell up":)

On a side note, and i might mention this in the Ibogaine threads also, IBOGAINE IS THE REAL DEAL, if you want to kick opiates (or any drug, for that matter) without ANY withdrawal symptoms and it completely leaves you without any cravings for a good month or two. I went from 90 mgs of Methadone a day to ZERO in a few days and had NO wd symptoms and NO cravings (for a good while) Had i had a naltrexone implant after the Ibogaine, i'd probably be clean to this day. I'd kicked Methadone before, cold turkey from 32 mgms, and IT SUCKED for 6 weeks. For anyone that's gonna kick opiates, i'll mention the (non scheduled) (legal) medicines that have helped me the most:

In order of importance:

#1 NEURONTIN (or GABAPENTIN) This is probably the most important drug I'd want top have with me on a desert island while kicking opiates. It completely kills the "cold burn" creepy crawly jumpin outta your skin feeling. FLAT OUT. It also helps you to relax. AND It is non addictive. It just releases GABA in the brain like alcohol does.
# 2 BENTYL (Dicyclomine) Some opiates (especially H) can give you the worst stomach cramps while withdrawing, and this kills them, FLAT.
#3 Trazodone puts you to sleep and keeps you asleep when you can't sleep
#4 Clonidine lowers your blood pressure and helps you relax
#4 Flexeril (Cyclobenzaprine) is a muscle relaxant and keeps your legs from kicking around all night and cramps, etc.

Benzos (Valium, Xanax,Klonopin) can help anxiety, etc. BUT WATCH OUT FOR GETTING ADDICTED TO THESE. They are MUCH HARDER and more dangerous to kick than opiates.

I've also read abou a study on HEDWEB that said Buspar helped addicts in withdrawal.
I hope this helps..

[bi11i]

NEURONTIN (or GABAPENTIN) This is probably the most important drug I'd want top have with me on a desert island while kicking opiates. It completely kills the "cold burn" creepy crawly jumpin outta your skin feeling. FLAT OUT. It also helps you to relax. AND It is non addictive. It just releases GABA in the brain like alcohol does.I used to have a big bottle of this and at one point, before my brain made me give in and go back to getting high, it helped out in a huge way. Some of the side effects were a bit unpleasant, but all in all, I think had I stuck with it, I would've been good to go. Great suggestions and great info - anyone else use Neurontin before?

[scarlett44]

I'm still a little new at this sight, but I was planning on kicking my hydro habbit this week. I keep reading about subox and i am curious why it is so great. Also, i noticed you talking about neurontin, why does that help? I was prescribed that a few months ago but not for detoxing but i couldn't tell that it did anything. Can you fill me in on what it is and why it helps? Thanks

[muz]

Neurontin is an old anti-depresant which has also been used to prevent seizures and control"abnormal nerve stimulation" which is where it comes in handy for opiate WD. One of the MOST uncomfortable pars of WD can be the feeling of bugs crawling on your skin or the "cold burn" or what felt to me like someone is tickling every inch of your skin. It feels like you can't get comfortable in any position and can't stay still. Neurontin makes this stop happening and relaxes you. It can also help you fall asleep. THe GOOD news is that it's non addictive, almost impossible to overdose on (i've heard of people taking(prescribed) 6-7 grams a day), and after maybe 50 yrs they finally this year came out with a generic (GABAPENTIN) which costs 2/3 less than Neurontin.
Someone else might be able to point you in a more detailed scientific direction about this, but all I know is that it releases GABA in the brain-like alcohol does.

Depending on your Hydro habit, i.e. How long/How much per day, WDs might not be too bad. Lord knows i kicked pills many times before i ever came across Neurontin, and i never really noticed the infamous "cold burn" that i speak of until i met Mr. Methadone and kicked cold turkey.

BTW, if you're curious about why you didn't notice any effects when taking Neurontin before,
it's because Neurontin is a practically begnin NON narcotic drug. It's not something you'll find a lot of pleasure in, but it may surely take away some pain. If you try to take a lot, looking for some kinda "high" chances are you'll just fall asleep. ;)

..i hope this helps..

[muz]

i just realized that the only helpful med i left out was Immodium, or Lopermide, which happens to be the only opiate you can buy Over The Counter in the USA, maybe Canada too. It stops diarreah but dosent affect the CNS. Mixing this with other opiates, however, can produce dangerous constipation.
Also, like so many others on this site have said, Vit. C and exercise are the quickest way through detox/depression caused by detox.

[Peripat]

Immodium, or Loperamide, which happens to be the only opiate you can buy Over The Counter in the USA.

Available OTC also here in Australia, this one is invaluable. Its opioid qualities are very weak, but for a number of reasons, I find this one to be a great help in my "kick-sickness" arsenal...

[rebo]

I hate the stuff ,made me sick the entire four weeks i was on it ,If you want rapid detox here's a naturall way ,go out and buy a bottle of vitamin c tablets and take daily doses of 4-5000 mg's/day, this is probably the best way of rapid detox ,it's natural and if it gets to hard you can just have a hit and not worry about those nasty receptor cappas(bastards that they are).

[kramorph]

After what i attempted today i must retract almost everything i said about naltrexone, except it may be useful fo H w/d, but DONT USE IT TO COME OFF OF METHADONE. I took ~1/16 of a 50mg tab this morning as i was sick of visiting the bloody chemist everyday(occasionally "diverting" to shoot it, but it is the $5 per day(ie $70/fn) and the attitude of most uneducated pharmacists.Yes they really do know fuck all about anything really.(I studied pharmacy yrs ago and completed the first 4 yrs, but then fucked up etc etc, I am now studying chemistry and in the 1st year we covered more chem,biochem and biol than we did in 2nd yr pharmacy,anyway). 15 mins after taking ~3-5mgs naltrexone today, i wanted to shoot myself.5-7 days w/d all at once in about 12hrs.I ended up getting todays and tommorrows meth doses, and scored .1 of H.It took all this(80mgs meth and 100mgs street smack(ie ~20mgs pure)) just to ease the HELL slightly.Now 16 hrs after taking the poison I still cant sleep(despite also having taken 50mgs diazepam throughout the day).But from what i have just read it is worth pursuing.It is the cold burning in my arms and shoulders, plus the aggressiveness and/or crying,the restlessness etc that i just can no longer handle.My next option is to beg some doc or clinic to basically anaesthatise me for 2-3 days while detoxing, otherwise i honestly dont know how the hell i am gonna get free. Even if only for a few months.Anyway,AVOID naltrexone unless you enjoy being hit by trucks.But saying all that it does work to beat the habit, it is just far to painful for me these days.I remember my first attempt years ago being quite easy and relatively painless,fuck it ill stay a fucking junky then!

[rebo]

Kray ,there is a place that you can access over the internet called drugbeat S.A run by Anne Bressington ,she promotes the use of naltrexone ,but first you go on bupe and vit c for a while and only after a few days are you put on naltexone(nasty bloody stuff that it is), but it really does cap the receptors ,trouble is it can cause fits in people if they start using it straight away.

[kramorph]

I used it last year after bupe, trouble is I had also been on H for week, so the w/ds then were hell.But not as bad as the other day.

[rebo]

Liquid handcuffs mate, good luck to you. Methadone withdrawal seems to never stop.

[kramorph]

Spot on with the liquid handcuffs.I wish I had never ever sought what they call "help".

[rebo]

Have you tried the detox packs they give you at the clinic .5 temazepams ,clonidine and various other non essential stuff ,and you can get as many packs as you need (in S.A that is) ,tends to help as a last resort, the tems really help with the leg cramps .

[kramorph]

Nah ya get fuck all here in west oz.Lucky even to find a doc who will even give ya a benzo. Ill start making my own soon one way or another, whether grown, made from codeine etc.Im not interested in getting rich, just sick of the cost of H keeping me poor, and even the $70/ fortnight for 'done aint cheap either.