methadone for breaks from hydro/oxy?

[blenderqueen]

I have some 10mg tabs. Was told could use it for a week to decrease tolerance (use it a reducing doses every few days & then one day with nothing & should feel no w/d's) havne't gotten up the nerve to try it yet as dont' trust myself not to "cheat" & use my reg meds too......:confused:


BUT I was wondering has anyone used it effectively even for just like a day or hell even half a day to get a break from their reg meds (& give their liver a break?) I know I need to study up on it more & I have UTFSE I swear but did not find any lengthy threads on this topic so if I missed it I appolagize (still trying to learn my way around). I am concerned about the half life - length of time it stays in your system. like if you do take a "break" & use meth to keep you from getting sick how soon can you resume your reg meds? I already know I won't take ANY benzos with it b/c I am scared of ODing myself I know even very tolerant opiate users have OD'd on that combo. I have read some of you drink with it though. (which is encouraging as I would love to be able to have some wine at least in the evening a few hours after I take my last dose for the day say?) Obviously the goal would be to go as many days as possible using it to replace my reg meds but I only have 20 10mg tabs......

I am thinking if I take it at like 4-5am when I usually take my morning OC20 & stay in bed for another hour or so that it should hopefully be starting to kick in when I get up then & hold me for a few hours? or maybe I should start with 15-20. my "habit" is about 1-3 OC20s a day just depends prob 2 to 4 percocets only the 5mg ones though (some days more) & about 10 hydro. so obviously would like to take a break from that level of dosing (oh that apap is a killer i know!) this is of course spread out over whole day & not at once. If I want to drink that day I skip the evening OC dose.

well if this has been discussed already I appolagize & mods plz redirect me. would LOVE some advice from you knowledgable folks here though as I am totally methadone naieve but really want to give it a try if even just for a day! thanks soooooo much! I need to break this terrible cycle I am in & maybe just maybe a day or two will help if nothing else make me feel better mentally about myself that I just went a day even without the regular amnt of meds or none at all!

thank you!!!!

blenderqueen

[Hammilton]

you're stupid.

you should start with 10mg max. And it's not gonna decrease your tolerance. You can't take a drug with a higher affinity and expect your tolerance to decrease. Methadone, on the scale of strength is much stronger than either. Oxycodone is very euphoric, but it's not particularly strong.

If you're only taking 60mg a day- and splitting it up, you might not live if you took 20mg of methadone. I've had friends OD at 20mg with bigger habits.

Shit, you hardly have a habit. You're not gonna break any cycle by switching for a day or two.

Why am I helping here? Such stupidity.

[johnnyb420]

like hamililton said if you think thast takeing methadone is going to help you with your 60mg per day oc habit you have a lot of learning to do .

if anything methadone will make your tolerence go up not down if you are only doing oxy 20's you have no bussiness takeing methadone at all.


i cant believe how irresponsible people are with putting drugs in there body without understanding what they are dealing with ,trust me you dont want any part of a methadone habit

[insanesteveo]

i cant believe how irresponsible people are with putting drugs in there body without understanding what they are dealing with ,trust me you dont want any part of a methadone habit

dude, did you read the post? she was asking BEFORE she took them. she IS being careful.

but you ARE right.

blenderqueen, dont use the methadone. the best thing you can do to get your tolerance(which from what you said isnt much of a tolerance at all) down would be to just cut back a couple days. take just enough to not go into withdrawal for a week or so and that will help tremendously. or if you take just a bit for 2 days, then a regular dose one day, then back to two days of a small dose, then back to reg dose, etc, it should help some too.

[alowishus]

I read the thread title and thought it was a joke; someone making a funny.

Queeny I say go for it, stop fucking around just dabbling w/ your habit, dive right into a hard core addiction, lets bypass all the yrs of being a junkie and move straight to the MMT. ;)




(:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:)



On 2nd thought this all seems a little harsh. Maybe you should seek a 12 step program instead. Or a rehab. Or you could just start to cut your drugs of choice down. How about 2 20's a day, then less and less as the days go on, huh......?

[blenderqueen]

I cant seem to edit my original post but plz note that the 60mg of OC's is just part of my daily intake & I should have said that is the LEAST amnt I take along with the 100-120 (* that's even kidding myself prob more like 150mgs of hydro) & then the perocets in addition to that as well. some days only 2-4 other days more it just varies & varies on how many hydros I take which is generally 3-4 10s at at a dose. & more than said above if I take less percs. i suppose I should have added in there that I didn't really count the OC's I occasionally chew through the day too. BUT anyhow my question which ya'll skipped over that I really want to know is:

CAN I just use say like 10mgs or so for a day or two to take a break from my reg meds. I was *told* by another stupid person I guess I would need at least 20mgs every 18hrs at my habit to not feel sick.?????????? so can I use it to just take a break is my real question. I only mentioned I was *told* about the reducing tolerance thing & added that idea scares me.:eek:

Anyhow thanks for ripping me a new one all. I obviously am stupid about meth or I wouldn't have had to ask & since I did utfse & saw nothing on t his topic thought it MIGHT be helpful to other meth stupid ppl like myself. SILLY ME! why do you delight in being suck dicks about it?why not just skip the question if it's so offensive to your superior eyes?


also having been dopefeind for many years of chasing the dragon I understand the full blown addiction thing. Did the 12 steps & rehab oh maybe 5times at least but thanks for the suggestions:rolleyes: I hate NA with a pasion but that's for another forum.

now I know I have read of some of you doing this to take a break from your meds. if I was strong enough to control myself & keep from taking as much as I do every day I wouldnt' be asking such a stupid fucking question now would I? I would surely just taper.

thanks. Keep em coming please. even the smartass ones I still learn from & that is why I am here. so thanks:o

BQ

[devilsdrug]

yep do it wont hurt to try but give it time to kick in

[Chipper]

...and remember methadone's long half life (up to 24 hours). Start with 10 mgs but remember that it probably will up your tolerance (again, the long half life).

I'm a chipper and if I take 10mgs of methadone on a Monday then I will experience mild w/d's by Friday and they will last until Tuesday week. It's a bitch of thing to control so I encourage you to stick to the dope you know otherwise you may end up on methadone for ages

[KRAZY8CHEMIST]

...and remember methadone's long half life (up to 24 hours). Start with 10 mgs but remember that it probably will up your tolerance (again, the long half life).

I'm a chipper and if I take 10mgs of methadone on a Monday then I will experience mild w/d's by Friday and they will last until Tuesday week. It's a bitch of thing to control so I encourage you to stick to the dope you know otherwise you may end up on methadone for ages


UR Kidding right? Methadones half-life is more like 50 or more ours So if you took monday you would be more than experiencing, "mild withdrawls by Friday".

Start with 10 mgs if still sick 18 hours later take 10 more but after initial 24 our dosing decrease till switched back to your normal meds , however, be careful methadone in your system can get your other meds taken in many states where doctors can take blood at random.

good luck

Krazy

[alowishus]

I cant seem to edit my original post but plz note that the 60mg of OC's is just part of my daily intake & I should have said that is the LEAST amnt I take along with the 100-120 (* that's even kidding myself prob more like 150mgs of hydro) & then the perocets in addition to that as well. some days only 2-4 other days more it just varies & varies on how many hydros I take which is generally 3-4 10s at at a dose. & more than said above if I take less percs. i suppose I should have added in there that I didn't really count the OC's I occasionally chew through the day too. BUT anyhow my question which ya'll skipped over that I really want to know is:

CAN I just use say like 10mgs or so for a day or two to take a break from my reg meds. I was *told* by another stupid person I guess I would need at least 20mgs every 18hrs at my habit to not feel sick.?????????? so can I use it to just take a break is my real question. I only mentioned I was *told* about the reducing tolerance thing & added that idea scares me.:eek:

Anyhow thanks for ripping me a new one all. I obviously am stupid about meth or I wouldn't have had to ask & since I did utfse & saw nothing on t his topic thought it MIGHT be helpful to other meth stupid ppl like myself. SILLY ME! why do you delight in being suck dicks about it?why not just skip the question if it's so offensive to your superior eyes?


also having been dopefeind for many years of chasing the dragon I understand the full blown addiction thing. Did the 12 steps & rehab oh maybe 5times at least but thanks for the suggestions:rolleyes: I hate NA with a pasion but that's for another forum.

now I know I have read of some of you doing this to take a break from your meds. if I was strong enough to control myself & keep from taking as much as I do every day I wouldnt' be asking such a stupid fucking question now would I? I would surely just taper.

thanks. Keep em coming please. even the smartass ones I still learn from & that is why I am here. so thanks:o

BQ


Queeny, I've seen the rehab thread, the 12 step and rehab were a joke; I always forget my [sarcasm] tags.

I think the thing was that it sounded like such a bad idea, that people, me also, just couldn't be serious.
You've heard the term out of the frying pan and into the fire????

What is it you want to get done, just lower your tolerance, cuz that aint gonna do it.
Looking to help w/ wd's? Sure.
Looking to string those other meds out longer? That would work for a couple days, but you'd end up taking more.

As a temp replacement to the others, your moving backwards.

You can't have a break from a everyday habit unless you go CT and do the wd's thing, taper down and stop or check out opi's thread on ibogaine.
Time clean is the only thing that will help your tolerance, but it is never gonna go away, and certainly not by taking a more powerful longer acting drug.

[kevin]

UR Kidding right? Methadones half-life is more like 50 or more ours So if you took monday you would be more than experiencing, "mild withdrawls by Friday".
Start with 10 mgs if still sick 18 hours later take 10 more but after initial 24 our dosing decrease till switched back to your normal meds , however, be careful methadone in your system can get your other meds taken in many states where doctors can take blood at random.
good luck
Krazy
Actually,

Methadone has a typical half-life of 15 to 60 hours
That's from Wikipedia. If I had to pick an average for the half-life it would be 24 hours. When I was on MMT that's what they told us at the clinic.

[Hammilton]

methadone's half-life is much longer than 24 hours. Especially with chronic dosing. 80+ hours is more than common

[Chipper]

methadone's half-life is much longer than 24 hours. Especially with chronic dosing. 80+ hours is more than common

I have been on MMT and I didn't even get 24 hours out of it due to my fast metabolism. I think 80+ hours is way too much

[insaneike]

well, you WILL NOT low your toler AT ALL by using methaodne isntead of lil ol Oxy! Lmao!
good lord girl, do you even know what emthadone is!?!? It's a bit stronger than Oxy is in analgesic effects and recreation to some ppl(i saysome not most so none the OC lovers start bitching :rolleyes:). The only way you're lowering your toler is to STOP USING COMPLETELY! Not for just a fuckign week either... More like a year! You may drop a very few mg but nothing that matters or will porbably even be noticable. I went cleanf or 1.5-2yrs once, my toler didn't drop anything noticable! Aside fromt eh obvious high from not using in so long(which is all you'll experience from 1-2 weeks of stopping, ur toler sure as hell wont drop!).

You can use 'done to keep well or the substitute tho, but fi your goal is to even lower toler a wee bit, HAH, the only thing you're gonna do with methadone instead of oxy is RAISE your toler lol. I'd say start with 15mg but thats i you have lil to no toler, and increase every 2.5hrs by 5mg till you're 'good'. Methadone takes at least 1.5hrs to come on and about 2.5hrs to fully hit, so wait that long before re-dosing. I member back when I had like no toler at all 15-20mg of 'done would FUCK ME ALL UP. those where the days! I use methadone to potentate my other opis. ESPECIALY oxy(roxi 30s). I don't even really take oxy anymore without tkaing some 'dones with it.

and methadone will never last 3days... not form my or anyone i personally knows exp anyway. 24hrs is pushing it but it could work for some ppl... I personally come into the come on of WDs and get all freaky n panicky feeling after just 8hours... and when i take my roxis with a moderate dose of 'done i gotta dose again in like 4-6hrs tops. that shit doesn't near last like people claim. Not in my case or any of my friends that is. Not saying it doesn't last 48horus for some ppl!

All in all, no, you can't use methadone to lower your tolerance to Oxy!

[blenderqueen]

Well thanks again (seriously lol!) I WAS doubtful that it was a good idea to lower tolerance I wish I never would have fucking put that statement in there (that if you read it says someone ELSE told me that & I am too scared to try it!) BUT I still have the pills that someone gave & intend to hang on them in case I ever do find myself out of meds.

I do appreciate the valuable info (like the drug testing & half life etc) these are all things I need to know & obviously aren't in your typical google search on methadone.
Yes I am all too familiar with full blown addiction of many years to heroin. In fact in drug court they wanted to put me on methadone but I managed to stay clean (well pee clean anyways) after my first two dirties & final rehab & graduated the program then a few months later.

NOT everyone knows all about it (like ME! which is why I asked here maybe it was a bad idea to even ask :rolleyes:. besides what if I DO wanna take it to get a buzz or at least feel decent & still have pain relief IS that so bad? as I do need pain relief which is another reason I don't wanna go CT plus I am too much of a wimp anyhow as soon as I feel the slightest inkling of being sick I am gulping more pills :rolleyes: & I know damn well that I am happily replacing the opiate dependence I had on dope with pills. Still, I cant' help but chuckle at the irony of being slammed on a board all about opiates use/abuse/fun for being a less superior junkie or less *cool* of a user/habit than another. Bear in mind too I may weigh less than some of the guys mocking me for my tiny OC habit & dont' eat much, addded in with the hydro & plain IR oxys benzos too but I felt that was irrelevant to this particular topic other than I plan to avoid them while using any meth IF I do. But my *tiny* little habit to you may not be so tiny to me....Anyhoo, I am thinking I can use it for a day or two at 20 mgs per the whole day TOPS (hopefully) just to give myself a break from my reg meds & not be sick. I don't have regular access to it at all so it's not something I am going to switch to unless my DR. would switch me & I would strongly resist. I KNOW it's dangerous & nothing to take lightly which is why I want to LEARN all I can. isn't that what this place is for ? sharing & learning? or am i mistaken:sad-smile I don't want to develop a cross tolerance though (which seems to happen with ultram and kratom both of which I've tried, & managed to skip a day but then ended up taking more the next day/days. so hearing that is what I may end up doing if I try this is good to know as well THANK YOU!

I don't expect myself to decide I like methadone better than the meds I take now. I like the buzz too much. prob why I don't care for the OC all that much. I also think I just like chewing on pills lol. I really just want to stretch them out a bit for money reasons & my poor liver. Even my tiny tiny habit of a gazillion mgs of apap is big to my liver & that isn't a joke.

OK I am stoned and rambling & once again this post is waaay too long but please keep the info coming even if you have to be condescending about it I am still learning & that is the main reason I asked be it stupid or not. I'll quit whining for being talked to so harshly as i DO want to know & learn & that is the most important thing to me whether or not you think I am an idiot LOL. I just dont' have it in my nature to be such an asshole to people especially people who are politely asking for help. But that's just me & why it took me back a few steps & hit me hard, Besides I know opiates make ppl irritable myself included. so Ill shut the fuck up about that now.:p

OH I did want to know if you can drink on it though as I like to drink in the evening a few glasses or a bottle of wine heh. I have heard yes if you wait at least 5hrs after dosing......and I do know there is a thread on that here but didnt' see a lot in it last I checked but am going to check back on it now.

thank you seriously I really do appreciate it.

BQakaQueeny (lol I actually like that even if was meant to be mean)

[alowishus]

BQakaQueeny (lol I actually like that even if was meant to be mean)

Back up a second, strap yourself back on and wait before you get all unloaded. Queeny wasn't meant as anything other then I'm too fucking lazy to type out your whole name, and can't type for shit.

No one can tell someone else that there habit isn't bad, no matter what, BUT back to what was precived as someone w/ a little cut on thier hand, chopping off the hand to fix the cut - get me. ;)

If you plan to stay using, and don't want to stop, hell I'd take the meth, I find it's a dirty type of buzz but it's a strong buzz. I wouldn't use it for a long time unless I had too, don't want that shit built up inside you.

My good friend got some kid at a bar some X, the kid died later that night, what the guy had sold my friend to give to the kid was meth, so no I wouldn't drink. No no no, but hey it's your life, you know best.

And so you know, you youngins on the board get razzed, but it's nothing personal, we're kinda feeling you out, see what your made of, some run off and cry.......see ya.
Some turn a round and give it back, we like that.
Others get ALL bent out of shape, call names, and show us what they are really made of.....:D

First and foremost do what YOU need to do, you know that M aint gonna help you w/ anything other then getting high and stopping wd's.

[nick]

Back up a second, strap yourself back on and wait before you get all unloaded. Queeny wasn't meant as anything other then I'm too fucking lazy to type out your whole name, and can't type for shit.

No one can tell someone else that there habit isn't bad, no matter what, BUT back to what was precived as someone w/ a little cut on thier hand, chopping off the hand to fix the cut - get me. ;)

If you plan to stay using, and don't want to stop, hell I'd take the meth, I find it's a dirty type of buzz but it's a strong buzz. I wouldn't use it for a long time unless I had too, don't want that shit built up inside you.

My good friend got some kid at a bar some X, the kid died later that night, what the guy had sold my friend to give to the kid was meth, so no I wouldn't drink. No no no, but hey it's your life, you know best.

And so you know, you youngins on the board get razzed, but it's nothing personal, we're kinda feeling you out, see what your made of, some run off and cry.......see ya.
Some turn a round and give it back, we like that.
Others get ALL bent out of shape, call names, and show us what they are really made of.....:D

First and foremost do what YOU need to do, you know that M aint gonna help you w/ anything other then getting high and stopping wd's.

Hell,I still run off crying.

I'd just love some of Ham's 80 hour half life,2o mg's for an od 'done.

Queeny watch out foe the 'done-that shit is vicious.

[paragoric]

Damn, Queen, they stomped a mudhole in your ass just for asking a simple question about methadone.....the 'done will up your tolerance to your oxy and hydro....Even at 40 mg a day , I can no longer feel hydro or oxy....Methadone takes over the receptors and won't let any other opiates in....If your just wanting a break from your meds, to save your pretty lil liver, I see nothing wrong with taking a 10 mg dose, just don't do it every day....You get hooked on methadone very quick and the wd's are the panic/anxiety "I'm losing my mind" type....you don't want that, I can assure you....pg

.....most opiate boards use "'done" for methadone and reserve the word "meth" for methamphetamine, to avoid confusion...

[blenderqueen]

Damn, Queen, they stomped a mudhole in your ass just for asking a simple question about methadone.....the 'done will up your tolerance to your oxy and hydro....Even at 40 mg a day , I can no longer feel hydro or oxy....Methadone takes over the receptors and won't let any other opiates in....If your just wanting a break from your meds, to save your pretty lil liver, I see nothing wrong with taking a 10 mg dose, just don't do it every day....You get hooked on methadone very quick and the wd's are the panic/anxiety "I'm losing my mind" type....you don't want that, I can assure you....pg

.....most opiate boards use "'done" for methadone and reserve the word "meth" for methamphetamine, to avoid confusion...

thanks hon. well it's now turning into an issue of I am going to run out of meds early if I don't stretch them out somehow so I am going to most likely have no choice but to give it at try. I think I'Il start at 10mgs first & see how I feel & after 2hrs if not ok 5 or 10 more. I"ll do it for two days I think. I am just not sure what if anything I can take with it (ie a val or a .5 xanax) I don't feel like getting sick but have heard you still "jones" on "done" (did I say it right now ? LOL) the again I know clinics give methadone & percs/hydro for B/t pain so I assume the combo isn't lethal but yeah In my case I need to stretch meds & giving the old liver a break is a def PLUS! I am sure it hates my gutts LOL....

my plan is to not take any of my percs/ocs/hydros while on the done "med break" but If I cave in & take one hopefully I won't croak :rolleyes: AT this point I think I am glad to have it around for emergencies to keep from getting sick. but what i am getting from reading thus far is that my tolerance will be even HIGHER afeter using it for a day or two:( therefore requiring more meds..........ugh catch 22 eh????? but I wanna do it now so it's out of my system in two weeks when I go back to Dr. in off chance I'll get tested don't wanna wait til I run out if that make sense.

thanks for all the help kind & unkind it's still knowledge & knowledge is power & the ability to be alive & still posting even if it is just to get a mudhole dug in my ass ROFL that's a good one:)

peace! BQ

[roxi*stardust]

Damn people, you think we could be a little nicer. She asked a legit question. She didn't know about Methadone, that's why she asked. What ever happen to helping a fellow opiophile out. Some of you need a lesson in manners. Did you ever hear the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" or "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" Wow!!! Sorry Queen that you got your ass chewed for asking a legit question. It will help w/d's but it will not lower your tolerance. I don't know, this thread was old so did you ever end up trying it?

[Dilliy Danny]

Dont trip blenderqueen, I know Its hard. There arent any other places to go to talk about these kinds of things w/o being ridiculed. I think people should be a little more kind to their own.

[Synack]

I can only give you some info based on what it does for pain relief, IMO it's great... I was on a low dose (15mg a day - self adjusted to 20 - 30mg ie:higher initial dose, and higher dose before bed).

I switched back to oxy because I kept falling asleep at work/while driving/etc, the pain relief isn't as good mg for mg IMO.

[blenderqueen]

Damn people, you think we could be a little nicer. She asked a legit question. She didn't know about Methadone, that's why she asked. What ever happen to helping a fellow opiophile out. Some of you need a lesson in manners. Did you ever hear the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" or "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" Wow!!! Sorry Queen that you got your ass chewed for asking a legit question. It will help w/d's but it will not lower your tolerance. I don't know, this thread was old so did you ever end up trying it?

thanks Roxi I could tell you are a sweetie from reading all your post here ever since I started :)

No I haven' tried it yet but am getting more & more tempted to do it any day now. I am just afraid I will cave & still break down & take my other meds which is what I don't want I want to stretch them out & give my self a little break from the norm so to speak, & the norm is getting worse rapidly,I"m afraid add in plenty of vals & xans too:( but it would seem with my habit I could do a day or two on just the done & maybe a tiny bit of xan for sleep. I just am mainly curious after I would use it for a :break: how long do I have to wait b/c of the LONG half life apparantly before I can resume use of my reg meds.......since it is good for pain releif I guess I should be ok w/o my reg oc's (40s now) percs, vics, etc. I am just sick of the same thing day in & out & need a break & something different. sad to hear it's not true about lowering the tolerance though but still think I like the idea of using for a day or two max to give the old liver a break with the a mnt of APAP I cram into that poor thing,w ell it couldnt hurt. I just really am honestly nervous as I am curious about this med. Does it feel good or just keep you normal? energy or tired etc etc? y aknow the good ol warm & fuzzy opiate good feeling buzz or just no sickness.....stuff liek that I"d love to know???

Also I see jhared asked the same question, did it work? did it lower your tolerance are you back to normal?

curious about a lot I guess & I have read every methadone thread I can find on here & UTFSE & still catn' seem to find absorb enough info. so if anyone is bored & wants to give a done 101 I"d sure love ya for it;) like what's safe to mix (figuring high pill tolerance & past heroin pretty good habit) years ago but apparantly the brain likes to go right back to whre you were no? well anyhow I am getting sleepy so will study up more in the morning. but thanks roxi & dilly for being kind. I think methadone is one of the less known about opiates so the more info hte better as it also appears to be one of if not the most dangerous one so why not post about it as much as possible please?

thanks & Happy Easter all hope you all ate good & had a nice day:)
Queeny (off to bed, now do I wake up & pop my reg 40 & handful of hydros & percs before I hop out of bed or take a 10mg methadone, 15 20? Hmm maybe i will dream the answer LOL :)