First Hand Ibogaine Experience

[Opiyum]

For anyone interested in Ibogaine this is defenaitely for you. It comes from a radio program that I listen to regularly called "This American Life". In this episode, Sink or Swim, we hear stories of people who are in over their heads and trying to stay afloat.

In this act you will get to hear from a man, Dimitri, who is "praticing" this medicine at the local Holiday Inn and get to bear witness to a man in the middle of his trip through an Ibogaine dose. I found this very interesting. I've read a lot of what those here at Ophile have read and heard much of the same but to actually hear it like this was a real treat. I hope you all enjoy it as much as I did. Enjoy!

http://www.thislife.org/pages/descriptions/06/321.html

----Click on the blue speaker icon to download the streaming audio----
(Fast forward to 5:50 for this act of the show)

I added the poll after posting this because I realized that for me it's a very difficult question to answer. I think if it were studied enough and developed to the point were it was relatively safe (what relative means I dont know since i dont truly know how dangerous it is) then yes I would. But I don't think I would look at it like a rest of my life type of thing. What it would be great for is getting clean quiclkly with the least amount of damage done and with the least amount of pain involved. I love opiates to much to even desire to do something that would make me NOT desire them. Let's say that Iboga made you unable to get high the rest of your life from an opiate. My answer would quickly be No I would never take such a drug. So once again even if this drug was marketed I don;t think I would be using it the way the doctors intended. I'd like to get some more discussion on this question and also on the audio you have heard or are going to hear. It's probably the most unknown subject to all of us here and anyone who says they know it that well is going to be a freak occurrance or a liar. One thing I found interesting was the mention towards the end of a licensed doctor in Cancun. I was not aware of the fact that they were actually licensed down there perform such a treatment. What that license actually take to get is one question but either way....Its some interesting shit for us to talk about as opposed to the normal BS (which I love) and OC, Heroin question and stories.

GOD DAMNIT!!! I just now realized that there is an Ibogaine forum.....can we please have this moved. Im sorry.

Please fo yourself and everyone here a favor and don't be the guy who is too cool for school....Just wanted to get that out there ahead of time.

[nick]

Right guys, I know Dimitri personally.I like the guy and he's sincere in his desire to help other addicts.

I can't vouch for ibogaine,but I'm thinking of trying it in NY in April-so I'll report back.

freedomroot.com is Dimitri's groups website for anyone interested.

[alowishus]

It;s funny that you post this, I wish thinking of it the other day and wondering "what the fuck is it", I know far to little (w/o a google) about it to even start to understand how or what I'd do w/ it.

So is it just a rapid clean type deal?

[nick]

"They" say it removes much wd for hardcore addicts and more importantly removes cravings and depression for up to 5 years-when you need more ibogaine.

Before you ALL get down on ibogaine please remember it seems to be my last chance-I know,I'm doomed .

[alowishus]

Holy jumping jesus dolls, one dose works for 5 yrs? Wow, I'd have to say then I would need more long term info, something that will work/last that long......wow is all I can say.

And Nick, you've always got rugby.....:o
I know it isn't the same as a nice buzz, or even a good day for that matter.
Have you thought of returning to the church?
*ducks as a computer monitor comes flying a crossed the ocean*

[nick]

Holy jumping jesus dolls, one dose works for 5 yrs? Wow, I'd have to say then I would need more long term info, something that will work/last that long......wow is all I can say.

And Nick, you've always got rugby.....:o
I know it isn't the same as a nice buzz, or even a good day for that matter.
Have you thought of returning to the church?
*ducks as a computer monitor comes flying a crossed the ocean*

No laugthing at the back,but I have thought about playing rugby again.For fun,my chances of being paid went with my right knee-no one pays cripples.

[alowishus]

No laugthing at the back,but I have thought about playing rugby again.For fun,my chances of being paid went with my right knee-no one pays cripples.

Hey here in the states the NFL players that can't or don't get picked up again go up to Canada and play in the CFL, can you go up to Scotland and play for their pro teams? :p

[nick]

Ha Ha beautiful-I see you know your Scottish rugby.I really think Opio could put a team together to beat the Scots.We just have to lace our half time drinks with junk.

I vote Heidi for full back-I bets she's got one hell of a tackle on her.

Heidi if you play NO GUNS-on the pitch anyway.

[southernbelle]

I don't think our sister Heidi goes *anywhere* without her guns....

[nick]

I don't think our sister Heidi goes *anywhere* without her guns....

Maybe she could hide one down her sock-it could come in useful.

[AWOL]

I saw a documentary on google video, based somewhere in the Uk, from a 20 year Heroin user turned methadone user who underwent the ibogaine treatment. Watching what he went though, ... man ... it must work good cause it was beyond words to watch that. Freaked me out pretty good thinking of some of my psychedelic ventures I'd taken before, but much worse. Much much much worse. If I can find the link I'll post it here, someone else had posted the video here before too.

Found it: One Life - Detox or Die

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=273520062084033834&q=ibogaine&hl=en

[Opiyum]

Correction....Fast forward to 26:50 in the show to here this segment.

[Seedy]

I saw a documentary on google video, based somewhere in the Uk, from a 20 year Heroin user turned methadone user who underwent the ibogaine treatment. Watching what he went though, ... man ... it must work good cause it was beyond words to watch that. Freaked me out pretty good thinking of some of my psychedelic ventures I'd taken before, but much worse. Much much much worse. If I can find the link I'll post it here, someone else had posted the video here before too.

Found it: One Life - Detox or Die

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=273520062084033834&q=ibogaine&hl=en


Wow, that was very interesting. I've had some pretty bad trips in my time, the first time I took acid was also the first time I ate pot cake (thinking it would be just like smoking), and I ate heaps. Seriously, I think I suffered more in that experience than that guy in his ibogaine detox. Never know until you try!

[Opiyum]

I saw a documentary on google video, based somewhere in the Uk, from a 20 year Heroin user turned methadone user who underwent the ibogaine treatment. Watching what he went though, ... man ... it must work good cause it was beyond words to watch that. Freaked me out pretty good thinking of some of my psychedelic ventures I'd taken before, but much worse. Much much much worse. If I can find the link I'll post it here, someone else had posted the video here before too.

Found it: One Life - Detox or Die

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=273520062084033834&q=ibogaine&hl=en

Next time get your own thread punk kid. Get off my Lawn!

Serious gayness.

[alowishus]

My question now after, watching a bunch of videos and doing NO research, is what about a peep that is clean taking it and what is it's state in the US and why?

[Seedy]

Next time get your own thread punk kid. Get off my Lawn!

Serious gayness.

dude, I listened to the interview first & voted in the poll but u gotta admit dv's vid was a nice addition to the thread.

[Opiyum]

yeah and i was making a joke seedy.

[Opiyum]

My question now after, watching a bunch of videos and doing NO research, is what about a peep that is clean taking it and what is it's state in the US and why?

Well its a schedule 1 in the states because its a hallucinagen and in the someone's mind it as no medical use. I guess they are thinking that the risk of death isn't something that they want attached to a product they sell. Though there are plenty of pharmies out there that are deadly. It's probably more profitable to maintain people rather than cure them.
It's really just a matter of that right people not have proper motivation I guess. In the sixties or seventies when this shit first made its first appearance (recorded one at least) it is and was seen as a Hallucinagen and with all that happened with Leary already I don't they would even think twice about looking further into iboga. It's amazing really. Leary rehabilitates criminals and this drug cures addicts but its all swept under the rug. I don't know if that question can ever be satisfied.
As far as someone being clean that is kinda (from what I heard in the show) how the "doctor" wants his patients to be. At least they are supposed to be 24 hours clean or more.
Benzo's in preticular can increase the chance of a seizure when used along with Iboga.
So I am going to say that for someone who is truly clean to decide to use Iboga would be fine. It's just a great risk to take for a trip when you could go get some paper or whatever else instead.


An entire history of Ibogaine in the US and Europe can be found here. (http://www.ibogaine.org/history.html)

Intersting stuff.

ITs so funny. See i found this site after making this post and added it after and now i find this on the site. "the pharmaceutical industry also generally viewed addiction as an economically unattractive area for medication development..." This was in response to Lotsof's non-profit that tried to develop iboga.

The more I read this stuff the more interested I am getting in this stuff. It's probably not a good thing.

[nick]

I don't think Dimitri plays docs.What he does play at is dope dealing-not H anymore,but ibogaine.
Mind you if ibogaine was legal-guy's like Dimitri wouldn't be detoxing folks in hotel rooms.

People take ibogaine for all sorts of reasons apart from as a junk detox.

[Opiyum]

I'm not sure what you mean. I....yeah...come again?

[nick]

I'm just saying,Dimitri thinks of himself more as a holy pusher than a doc.

[southernbelle]

Nick, do you think it could be used for hydrocodone detox? Sorry if this has been answered in the videos, but I can't get them to play.

[nick]

Nick, do you think it could be used for hydrocodone detox? Sorry if this has been answered in the videos, but I can't get them to play.

Hell sis,people use it to stop smoking!! However I see it as a last resort for the truly desperate-like me.

[nick]

Nick, do you think it could be used for hydrocodone detox? Sorry if this has been answered in the videos, but I can't get them to play.

Hell sis,people use it to stop smoking!! However I see it as a last resort for the truly desperate-like me.

[Seedy]

yeah and i was making a joke seedy.

ahh, a joke. them things what make you laugh.

[jacky]

I think small doses of ibogaine will potentiate opiates,
if I lived in canada, I would have experimented with that by now, as ibogaine and the raw root are not controlled up there.
yet.
it might have an effect of lowering the tolerance of opiates perhaps?

I know some people have died using right before taking the LARGE doses of ibogaine that are used for withdrawl abatement.

I am talking about low stimulant doses of iboga rootbark, or maybe some extract product.

longlasting after effects of ibogaine metabolites, if that "theory" still stands, possibly might even make opiate regimines more euphoric/ or manageable for weeks or months after taking large addiction theraputic amounts of ibogaine.

[nick]

Yeah,Dimitri uses "the red" which I believe is iboga bark.

[AWOL]

Next time get your own thread punk kid. Get off my Lawn!

Serious gayness. I would have expected this from a poo joke. :confused:

[alowishus]

It really is an amazing little plant, the one thing I'm a little freaked on is the fact you need to learn how to walk again. And you can just "forget" to breath.... :(
Damage to the part of your brain that holds the walking, breathing, balance, all that long term memory - don't need to think about it, just do it - stuff.
I don't want that part of my brain fucked w/ already have a hard enough time walking a straight line.
:p

But I think as a last choice it's great. And of course they don't want to work on it, a drug that you take once and it lasts for yrs, no money in that, they want you on at least 6 different ones, once a day.

[Opiyum]

I would have expected this from a poo joke. :confused:

You mean delivered as a poo joke? or derived from?

What the?

ehh...

[AWOL]

You mean delivered as a poo joke? or derived from?

What the?

ehh... hah, ...... both?

Atleast I was on topic, no? Gotta give me that. :o


Having thought about it, I've decided to vote yes btw. Although Alow has a point with the walking and talking thing, I've done so many psychadelic / dissosiative (hundreds - dxm) / rc trips that have left me unable to walk / talk and I'm still doin fine (My probelms aren't a result of drug use. That's all me unfortunatly). I belive that's just temporary. My opinion ofcourse, but I just don't think it's going to cause any major problems. Too bad it is probably impossible to find, it would be interesting to feel a low dose to see. If it could help with the non-stop cravings, I would deffinetly try it.

[Opiyum]

hah, ...... both?

Atleast I was on topic, no? Gotta give me that. :o


Having thought about it, I've decided to vote yes btw. Although Alow has a point with the walking and talking thing, I've done so many psychadelic / dissosiative (hundreds - dxm) / rc trips that have left me unable to walk / talk and I'm still doin fine (My probelms aren't a result of drug use. That's all me unfortunatly). I belive that's just temporary. My opinion ofcourse, but I just don't think it's going to cause any major problems. Too bad it is probably impossible to find, it would be interesting to feel a low dose to see. If it could help with the non-stop cravings, I would deffinetly try it.

Yeah the whole seizure thing is what scares me. When I was younger I used to have episodes and the docs said they were a type of seizure. No tonguebiting twitching on the ground type stuff but what would happen was far more frightening...At least I think so. I consider my first few episodes the first trips" that I ever had. I got the flu really really bad when I was about 11. One morning I woke up having only slept a few hours and could barely walk because the cough medicine was still flowing stong and I wasn't used to such a feeling.
I crawled to my moms bedroom and woke her up.
At the time it was only me and my mother in the house but next thing I knew I was in my moms bed which now appeared to have a ceiling like that of a cathedral. I was lost in it. A tiny spec of a person in a giant room. And in the most menacing way my older brother and father tore into the room screaming about something that needed done very quickly.
It startled me.
They were angry with me and began to shake the walls of the room around me. Treating a sick family member in a way that only some sort of demon would.
Next thing I know I'm crying in my mother's arms telling her to make them leave. I fell asleep soon after and tried my best to never think of it again and once medicated with tegretol I never had as intense an episode again. Just mild ones.
With that in my past I've always been careful with Hallucinagens but I try to imagine what it would be like to not crave opiates. It's has to be intense.
To be completely string out one day then the next dope sickness is something that doesn't apply to you anymore.
It's so hard to imagine.

[nick]

hah, ...... both?

Atleast I was on topic, no? Gotta give me that. :o


Having thought about it, I've decided to vote yes btw. Although Alow has a point with the walking and talking thing, I've done so many psychadelic / dissosiative (hundreds - dxm) / rc trips that have left me unable to walk / talk and I'm still doin fine (My probelms aren't a result of drug use. That's all me unfortunatly). I belive that's just temporary. My opinion ofcourse, but I just don't think it's going to cause any major problems. Too bad it is probably impossible to find, it would be interesting to feel a low dose to see. If it could help with the non-stop cravings, I would deffinetly try it.

Naw bro,you're fine-it's THEM,that's got the problem.

[Opiyum]

In this case....When talking about DV....circumstances what they are.....considering all... outstanding uh....I think it may be a bit a both.

[nick]

In this case....When talking about DV....circumstances what they are.....considering all... outstanding uh....I think it may be a bit a both.

The way I see it,DV MIGHT be nuts(but I doubt it)-THEM,I KNOW they're nuts.

[Opiyum]

Yeah....Your right. I'm with ya. Thanks again Nick for talking some sense into me. I'm always in need, as I'm sure you know.


Keep on looking forward buddy.

[the Madhatter]

http://www.ibogaine.org/manual.html

manual for use of ibogaine

[jacky]

ibogaine/iboga alkaloids have been used in the USA before the 70's....for years a type of iboga extract was avialable for people who were getting dementia from old age.
and in the early 1900's the root was extracted and compounded into pills as a stimulant. certian explorer parties carried the pills for medical use.

I think that when the feds put ibogaine on the schedule 1 status they were aware that it was actually still being used as a medicinal in the USA. but I think not too long after the drug was altogether dropped.

I am perplexed as to why more people havnt experimented with the lower doses in places like canada and such....it seems most people are wired into using the doses common to the bwiti methods for therapy, which are large, risky doses.
if it is just the mental effects people are looking for that is understandable....
you would think that a few intrepid explorers might be pushing the envelope with the stuff in low doses due to the lower cost and little to no recovery time needed.

in the USA a person can obtain ibogaine in a few other species of plants not technically scheduled, the alkaloid amounts are small...and certian species contain other compounds that might be a problem with higher doses, the trachelospermum jasminoides plant and tabernaemontana crassa (africana) plant are two examples of commercially avialable materials that wont be turned back by customs. I have consumed amounts of the crassa bark, and think I noticed some stimulation. but I would really have to experiment more with that species.

[nick]

Jacky,I've discussed taking ibo for my cravings(not wd) and the guys recommend a small dose.If I do it,I'll report back.

Oh,and I heard that guy Negroponte who made Methadonia started making a movie about Ibogaine.

[OnzZznoD]

So did you end up doing it nick? I am considering doing it for wd+cravings because I was lucky and found someone who treats people at Australia. I would be taking a high dose.
Would be interested to hear if you ended up doing it.

[nick]

So did you end up doing it nick? I am considering doing it for wd+cravings because I was lucky and found someone who treats people at Australia. I would be taking a high dose.
Would be interested to hear if you ended up doing it.

no,lack of time and a partial relapse have put it off,but i'm still considering going to ny for treatment this summer.

[alowishus]

no,lack of time and a partial relapse have put it off,but i'm still considering going to ny for treatment this summer.

You just looking for an excuse to go back to the NYC.
Can't fault ya for that; so am I. :rolleyes:

[nick]

You just looking for an excuse to go back to the NYC.
Can't fault ya for that; so am I. :rolleyes:

SShhhhussshhh.Someone might here.

[Raz]

This thread is a bit of a trip....Any reason for the Vid not playin, would love to see this in action!!!
Nick if it all goes Pete Tong, i know where the Maudsley is, so dont chicken curry.I got your back...http://forum.opiophile.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Woody Bear]

The audio clip isn't on the front page anymore, but I searched the site for it's title, "Sink or Swim", and found it and am listening to it now. It's current location is:
http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=321

The first two stories are pretty entertaining, but the Ibogaine story itself starts at 27:33.

[Opiyum]

Thanks for that Woody bear. I know they recently redid their site and I figured the clip would be lost because of it.

Oh and Raz it's not a video it's an episode from a radio broadcast show. Still really good in my opinion.


EDIT: I just listened to it again and It's funny I can tell how intense of a trip he is having just by the way he responds to some of Dimitri's questions.

The way that the word "Yeah" just kinda falls out of his throat. I can remember being in the most severe throws of a trip trying to answer a persons questions. It's hard to say anything that can't be said in one quick exhale.

[ein0606]

ok so this thread popped up last night right before i went to bed last night. so i read like the first post and the link didnt work so i searched youtube and google for videos about ibogaine. i watched a bunch of shit and never knew anything about this stuff (another tally for the amount of shit ive learned from opio)

anyway so they were talking about how its kinda like a trip and that the ibogaine experience is not fun at all but it does block the w/d's. so when i was about 8 years old i got really really fucking sick and had a temp of like 104 and started hallucinating. i saw some fucked up shit that to this day i can see in my head but cant explain in words. so ever since then i have been terrified to hallucinate, thats why LSD is like one of the few drug on this planet i have never touched or wanted.

anyway so i watched this shit right before bed. went to sleep and had awful fucking nightmares last night. i dreamt i was doing the ibogaine to cure my addiction and i was with like 200 other people (who were all asian) and we were all in like this cloth and all baby powered up like the one guy in the video "getting rid of the ghost".
then when the ibogaine started to work i was tripping balls and scared shitless. i woke up in a pool of sweat.

jesus, i doubt its as bad as i pictured but this thread and material i saw put some evil tthoughts in my head. sorry for the long post.

[SpecialGuy69]

ok so this thread popped up last night right before i went to bed last night. so i read like the first post and the link didnt work so i searched youtube and google for videos about ibogaine. i watched a bunch of shit and never knew anything about this stuff (another tally for the amount of shit ive learned from opio)

anyway so they were talking about how its kinda like a trip and that the ibogaine experience is not fun at all but it does block the w/d's. so when i was about 8 years old i got really really fucking sick and had a temp of like 104 and started hallucinating. i saw some fucked up shit that to this day i can see in my head but cant explain in words. so ever since then i have been terrified to hallucinate, thats why LSD is like one of the few drug on this planet i have never touched or wanted.

anyway so i watched this shit right before bed. went to sleep and had awful fucking nightmares last night. i dreamt i was doing the ibogaine to cure my addiction and i was with like 200 other people (who were all asian) and we were all in like this cloth and all baby powered up like the one guy in the video "getting rid of the ghost".
then when the ibogaine started to work i was tripping balls and scared shitless. i woke up in a pool of sweat.

jesus, i doubt its as bad as i pictured but this thread and material i saw put some evil tthoughts in my head. sorry for the long post.ein - I have had a really scary LSD experience, and now I'm totally, completely averse to LSD and mushrooms. I know where your coming from, bro.
K or illy on the other hand...

[ein0606]

ein - I have had a really scary LSD experience, and now I'm totally, completely averse to LSD and mushrooms. I know where your coming from, bro.
K or illy on the other hand...


well i have done mushrooms just becaus emy roomates convinced me that i wouldnt hallunicate. my roomate had like a pound of shrooms in choclate bars. anyway i ate a little and started to see streakers and shit like that and saw the most beautiful moon ever shinging down through the forest, (probably the coolest thing i have ever seen) but still it was enough to scare me away.

too bad no one shot me full of dope as a kid too make me sick and throwing up and unpleasent to scare me away from that.

illy????????????

[Hammilton]

I love Ira Glass. That program is great!

[irish]

No hallucinagens in a dodgy hotel room while in full withdrawal for me. I really cant think of much that would be worse.

[underide]

No hallucinagens in a dodgy hotel room while in full withdrawal for me. I really cant think of much that would be worse.

Some janitor finding your bloated corpse in a dodgy hotel room with a rig still hanging from your arm (or neck?).....I'd say that would be much worse. maybe?
But i see your point. That's why it's not doing anybody any good keeping ibogaine illegal. Didn't someone say that ibogaine is not controlled in Canada anyway? so you could find a 'legal' therapy there?
I used to be pretty skeptical about ibogaine too. But i did some reading up on it and i am quite intrigued now. To a point of actually thinking about it as an option to get clean.

[EleusisII]

It might work for a few people, but hell... For the money it costs, you can check yourself into a really nice rehab!

[Opiyum]

Really nice rehab's and really bad rehab's all have little difference in recidivism rates. This is an option for people who have tried and tried but can't seem to get it right with the traditional tools. Sometime's the tools available aren't the best tools for the job. This is when you have to learn to improvise.

[EleusisII]

I'd love to hear from people who tried it... So far I've only read mixed reports, and I don't really trust the "testimonials" too much.

I'm afraid there's no miracle cure against addiction.

One thing that makes me suspicious of the Ibogaine is the cost of it. If it was really an easy and effective way of detoxing/rehabing, I'd figure the price would be a lot lower, and that there would be a lot more "official" support and centres.

Governments would be sp happy about an effective cure, that they probably wouldnt care if ibogaine is psychedelic, if it was really effective.
Shit, a couple of years ago, the UN started pushing some ridiculous vietnamese herbal concoction as a "possible cure".

This is just my opinion, I might be wrong, but I'd love to hear from people who've tried it. As I remember there was only one guy on the site, who've tried it, and he wasn't thrilled.

[jacky]

I think ibogaine is effective enough for some people that is why the DEA got it illegalized about the same time that the CIA was importing hard drugs into the inner citys to raise money for their covert operations.

if you want an experience, its cheap enough in the sense that its legal in most countries, and an effective dose of the rootbark, which could easily be extracted with a vinegar/citrus solution, should only cost around 300-500$ for enough of the rootbark material or around 600-700 for a few grams of purified ibogaine.
the expense I think comes in when these clinics get their hands on the material, and gouge the consumer, but most if not all clinics do this same thing with other "cures"
and really, no one has considered low dose therapy to augment opiate intake. ibogaine alkaloids are opiate potentiators, so small amounts might be able to be taken on a daily basis, along with weening opiate intake.

one hypothesis is that metabolites produced from ibogaine metabolism stay in the system for weeks to months. I think that the metabolites have been shown to actually stay in the blood for quite some time. so perhaps these metabolites enforce the opiate receptors.
in a way, ibogaine can be considered a partial opioid.

ibogaine is just one of the different paths to recovery, its not completely effective for everyone, nothing is.
but I have heard some peoples lives being forever changed by the root.

I would love to undergo ibogaine treatment.
so far, the ibogaine house in canada gives free treatment I think, but they didnt respond to my email. I think the government is letting these people do a good thing, but its not really an answer for the populations, more a gifted privilege for a few.
but they are doing a damn good thing.

daniel pinchbeck, the non opiate user of ibogaine that has several books that address the issue, got free treatment from a Mexican clinic, apparently a really nice, ocean side joint, just so that he would write about it.
this clinic does dose people for non opiate use, for religious/spiritual growth/experience, and for other drug addictions besides opiates.
as interesting as his writings on the subject are, it irks me that an opiate user who could use some help didnt get offered free treatment.
I have thought about writing this clinic, and asking them to consider treating me if I would post a testimonial about my experience, and write several articles or similiar.
danial pinchbecks last book on the subject started with his clinical ibogaine experience, but was just a chapter or two mention of the incident...the rest of the book was pretty far flung, wild drug escapades of a person who started thinking he was an aztec god reborn, and spent much of the book trying to tie together an ontological mess.
a person might think that it was the ibogaine that warped his mind !
all in all the book is interesting, he has caught some flack about it in reviews, but I think the book is an interesting study of long term effects of doing psychedelics and mixing that with religious wandering, and though its gotten him scathing reviews from some, I think that its more honest that many people would give him credit for. most people wouldnt want to write a book describing his type of experience.
everybody loved his first book it seems, if for only the reason that the guy had the bravery to actually go to africa, and pay the Bwiti preists to risk his life by forcing a "ceremonial" style ibogaine delerium, at this time maybe at most 20-50 westerners had undergone the traditional experience, that number is just a guess, I know of 4 -6 people that have written about the subject.


the ibogaine issue is a different story for someone that is going in for a reason other than a free ride experience in exchange.

I have never seen the drug on the street in america, though I have heard that in some citys it is available to a few.

a person could go to canada or mexico, probably safer to do this in canada though, as far as the law in concerned, buy the powder, have it sent to a hotel room/house.
that process would take at least 4-7 days.
so a two-three week vacation might be needed for many people.
the problem is ascertaining alkaloid dose if using rootbark material. probably best in this situtation to slowly lower oneself into the experience.
especially since cardio problems, fast heart, etc can be a problem.
I doubt I would take the pure alkaloid material in a large dose. a gram or more of 90% pure material at least is needed for the traditional clinical use, ceremonial usage might exceed that to the point of causing some people death.
the whole experience could be done for less than3500$ and if a drop box was used, a person could probably squash the time down to a week for the experience.
some junkies pressed for time could probably dose on a friday, and make it back to work on a monday-tuesday if they could have access to the drug in their town of residence.

one opiophile in the ibogaine forum here, lives in mexico, and can offer self guided ibogaine experiences.
last he quoted it was around 1000$ for the isolate material. and he offers some decent accomidations, or nature experiences. he mentioned that there was a hospital in the area as well.
treating ibogaine problems isnt a big science for most of the worlds hospitals, but I imagine that doctors in mexico would be able to treat it as well as many us doctors.
now this quote was from a few years ago, so things might have changed.

for me its really the only type of treatment that interests me except for self guided herbal options. maybe something else interesting will come along in the future, but for now I think the research into ibogaine is important if you want to consider how viable the options are.
the USA needs to get its shit together when it comes to this issue. I would consider ibogaine worthy far more of research funding that say, heantos, or mentat, in which the total ingredient list is not even divulged.
ohh yeah, I almost forgot, unless its patentable, the powers that be and the drug companies dont really give a shit. common, organic cures are still the underdog, not just because they might not be the most potent, or even effective, but because of greed

the pharmaceutical companies are probably scared to shit that ibogaine might mess up their plan.

[SynthMorph]

Yep, available in Canada, pricey as hell though.

[clinton]

So has anyone done it and experienced the desired effects?
Nick are you still attempting a new York trip?

[nick]

So has anyone done it and experienced the desired effects?
Nick are you still attempting a new York trip?

No bro,I've given up on sobriety and come to terms with my demons.I've found somekinda peace at last.

[Indy]

If somebody could find a working link again to this recording, i'd like to give it a listen.

[clinton]

peace is more than most people get....

[Opiyum]

http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=321

Click on full episode and there ya go.