Chicago narc gunned down in cold blood...

[Frozen]

I now raise a toast... To dead narcs!

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http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20070213/1060187.asp

Dr. Raul Vazquez's phone rang at 4:30 a.m. Monday, and when he picked up, the well-known West Side family physician learned the most devastating news he could ever have imagined.

His younger brother, a Chicago police officer, had been killed.
"He was shot twice in the chest, and he's dead," another brother told Vazquez.
Officer Jose Vazquez, an eight-year veteran of the Chicago Police Department, was off-duty when he was gunned down.
Police and family members told Raul Vazquez that the officer was on his way home from another job, as a security guard, when he stopped to pick up some food and drove to the home he shared with his wife on Chicago's West Side.
As he was getting out of his car at 1:47 a.m., someone opened fire, leaving Jose Vazquez dead, according to the Chicago Tribune. He was 34.
Raul Vazquez, who spoke to The Buffalo News from his cell phone as he waited for his plane to Chicago to take off, said his brother was the kind of young man who "always did the right thing."
"He was a good kid," he said. "He went to college. He became a police officer. He's really likable. . . . He was a nice guy." Jose Vazquez had worked recently in the narcotics unit of the Chicago Police Department and was studying to become an FBI agent, Raul Vazquez said.

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Looks like Jose's days of victimizing innocent junkies have come to a close. :p
Karma's a bitch, ain't it?

[OxyContinuously]

good for him...that's what happens when you are a rat faggot

[SuperJunky]

Maybe its just because I'm in a shitty mood but fuck him, the way I see there should be 1 day a year (or maybe a month) that is OK to blow away a cop or three. It would be a survival of the fittest thing, and it would keep bad cops to a minimum, no one wants to get shot

[Chris_Thantos]

You know I am not the biggest fan of cops but to say good (I’m glad he is dead) or fuck him he deserved it bla bla bla is just sick. Did any of you know this man? Did he ever do anything to you? We have all had bad experiences with cops but to say they all deserve to die or that a man whom you know nothing about deserves to die because some cop was a dick to you at one time is like saying all Germans deserve to die because of what Hitler and his army did. I hope the next time you need police assistance or someone in your family does that you remember the day you applauded an officer of the law being gunned down in cold blood. Sure he was a narc, but what did he ever do to you?

[HeidiW]

Hollow point shells for the snitches . . . .:hangloose:violent1:

[OxyContinuously]

You know I am not the biggest fan of cops but to say good (I’m glad he is dead) or fuck him he deserved it bla bla bla is just sick. Did any of you know this man? Did he ever do anything to you? We have all had bad experiences with cops but to say they all deserve to die or that a man whom you know nothing about deserves to die because some cop was a dick to you at one time is like saying all Germans deserve to die because of what Hitler and his army did. I hope the next time you need police assistance or someone in your family does that you remember the day you applauded an officer of the law being gunned down in cold blood. Sure he was a narc, but what did he ever do to you?

maybe you'll open your eyes after you cop something and are lead away in handcuffs and spend a night in the fucking cesspool known as County; treated like a fucking rapist or murderer just cause you had a little gunpowder. Smarten up.

[nick]

maybe you'll open your eyes after you cop something and are lead away in handcuffs and spend a night in the fucking cesspool known as County; treated like a fucking rapist or murderer just cause you had a little gunpowder. Smarten up.

Hey Oxy bro,I HAVE BEEN HANDCUFFED,SICK IN CELLS-THE WHOLE NINE YARDS and I'm with Chris Thantos.This guy is much a victim of the goddam drug war as any od.

I DON'T HATE COPS,BUT I FAR HAPPIER WHEN THEY AREN'T AROUND.



THE DRUG WAR DEMEANS US ALL.

IF WE START TAKING PLEASURE IN A COP'S DEATH-WE BECOME WHAT THEY SAY WE ARE.

SORRY,BUT I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.

[Frozen]

Hey Oxy bro,I HAVE BEEN HANDCUFFED,SICK IN CELLS-THE WHOLE NINE YARDS and I'm with Chris Thantos.This guy is much a victim of the goddam drug war as any od.

I DON'T HATE COPS,BUT I FAR HAPPIER WHEN THEY AREN'T AROUND.



THE DRUG WAR DEMEANS US ALL.

IF WE START TAKING PLEASURE IN A COP'S DEATH-WE BECOME WHAT THEY SAY WE ARE.

SORRY,BUT I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.

Narcs are the predators, we are the prey.
The dead narc devoted his life to hunting down people like you and I- taking away our freedom, property, and dignity by force.

I have as just much pity for him, as he had for us. Zilch.

Nick, I think your perspective as a European is different than ours in the States. European cops treat people with far more respect than U.S. pigs do. The Chicago P.D. is the biggest criminal street gang in the city. (I do understand why a European or a Canadian, with the relatively benign police forces in those nations, would see my view as being a bit harsh.)

[JonnyMohawk]

Narcs are the predators, we are the prey.
The dead narc devoted his life to hunting down people like you and I- taking away our freedom, property, and dignity by force.

I have as just much pity for him, as he had for us. Zilch.

That is a really good point. They would of been just as careless to throw us in a cell as we are that they are dead

[Chris_Thantos]

maybe you'll open your eyes after you cop something and are lead away in handcuffs and spend a night in the fucking cesspool known as County; treated like a fucking rapist or murderer just cause you had a little gunpowder. Smarten up.


Dude I have been lead away in handcuffs, I spent time in county but that doesn't have me cheering because a cop got killed. That cop was someone's son, and someone's husband. Do they deserve what they feel just because this man chose to be a cop. That would be like people that persecute junky's saying I'm glad that piece of shit OD'd because he was nothing but a menace. Some junkies are menaces, but for the most part they are kind and caring people with an addiction and nothing more. Some cops are dicks and some really do care and for that reason I won't celebrate a man being shot in cold blood. Perhaps if that cop had done something to me or someone I knew it would be a different story, since I don't know the man I'll say a prayer for his family and hope the piece of shit that killed him gets what he deserved.

[HeidiW]

Yeah, cops in the US are different here than the UK. They don't give a fuck over here. America is flooded with corrupt government at all levels, from East to West coast and everywhere in between.

[ProdigalSon]

Holy Motherfucking Mother Of God. The "I hate cops" shit, I can deal with. Some of them can kiss my ass for the shit ive been through with them. But when one gets gunned down and peeps start clapping your hands. EAT A DICK. Ok here ya go: Banish all cops and make it a free for all. Your daughter gets raped by some transient out of towner and all you got is DNA. Wait, here it comes: "Id find the motherfucker and cut his dick off". Yeah sure if you find him, but you dont have any DNA databse cause you banished the cops. The guy was a human being trying to make a living. I dont agree with a lot of laws, but when I got some guys in blue patrollin the streets, lockin up pedophiles, or cuffin the asshole that shot some old lady for her purse, or tied up and beat my mother, riskin there lives for a measly paycheck, I take my hats off to em. Yeah I liked drugs alot and, fuck loved gettin a buzz, but when I made MY DESCISION to start doing them, I weighed the facts and figured out, I might go to jail for this. And someone is gonna have to put me there. Anyone who is sitting behind there computer praising this guys death is a pure asshole.

Now if this were a guy that ratted on his best friend for a lighter sentence, fuck him. But a someone who keeps you safe and puts there life on the line for you(like it or not, it may not happen everywhere or be extremely dangerous were you live) its true. Ive had bad experiences with cops and I fucking moved on with it because I always knew exactly what I was doin when I did it, and I knew the consequences

[Frozen]

Pillophile, can't you differentiate between a cop who honorably fights real crime on one hand, and a filthy rat narc on the other? This guy wasn't locking up perverts and muggers. His job was pure prohibition enforcement, nothing else.

[Chris_Thantos]

Pillophile, can't you differentiate between a cop who honorably fights real crime on one hand, and a filthy rat narc on the other? This guy wasn't locking up perverts and muggers. His job was pure prohibition enforcement, nothing else.

And so what if it was - How many narcs do you know? How many junkies do you know that have been targeted and locked up by a narc? Narc's aren't out looking users, have narcs busted users? Yes they have, but for the most part they are busting the big guy ... how does that affect you if your not one of those big guys? Oh that's right you don't get your fix boo fucking hoo. Drugs are illegal, right or wrong! They are illegal now and always will be. Take your chances or quit using ... Tell me this though - if this Narc (Who in your way of thinking deserved to die) was a family member of yours or someone on this board would you be clapping?

[ProdigalSon]

Pillophile, can't you differentiate between a cop who honorably fights real crime on one hand, and a filthy rat narc on the other? This guy wasn't locking up perverts and muggers. His job was pure prohibition enforcement, nothing else.

Dude totally, and I understand what your all saying and why, but you cant applause someones demise man. I feel bad for enemies that were killed while I was in combat. When I was in Afganistan, theyd strap bombs to five year olds and shit. They had to be shot because it was either him/her or us.

I just look at loss of life, as a horrible thing man. The dude had families and friends, and everyone of them is affected. Maybe before the NARC unit he did some real good for his city, now hes dead. And then again he maybe woulda locked me up and treated like a piece of shit and whatnot, but I wouldnt wish death on the guy for doing his job. I hope you can understand what Im sayin, all humans have some type of compassion. Just think of his fatherless kids...Fuck

[ProdigalSon]

And everyone of us motherfuckers knew drugs are illegal, so you might get locked up. We all still did em, right?

[Chris_Thantos]

Dude totally, and I understand what your all saying and why, but you cant applause someones demise man. I feel bad for enemies that were killed while I was in combat. When I was in Afganistan, theyd strap bombs to five year olds and shit. They had to be shot because it was either him/her or us.

I just look at loss of life, as a horrible thing man. The dude had families and friends, and everyone of them is affected. Maybe before the NARC unit he did some real good for his city, now hes dead. And then again he maybe woulda locked me up and treated like a piece of shit and whatnot, but I wouldnt wish death on the guy for doing his job. I hope you can understand what Im sayin, all humans have some type of compassion. Just think of his fatherless kids...Fuck

Exactly

[HeidiW]

Yes, ReardenMetal, I know exactly what you're saying, DIRTY, ROTTEN, CROOKED cops that break laws and back-door people to bust them can go straight to fucking hell where they belong.

Anyone that has ever had a cop with hard-on for them, had a DIRTY cop break into their home and PLANT EVIDENCE, you know what I'm talking about. FUCK CROOKED COPS.

And I'm happy to say, the cop that did to me and my family NO longer has his precious badge to hide behind. He lost his job over what he did, he's lucky he didn't prosecuted.

Now that motherfucker is driving a road-grater, ha ha Radcliffe!!!!!:violent4::violent1:

[Frozen]

Dude totally, and I understand what your all saying and why, but you cant applause someones demise man. I feel bad for enemies that were killed while I was in combat. When I was in Afganistan, theyd strap bombs to five year olds and shit. They had to be shot because it was either him/her or us.

I just look at loss of life, as a horrible thing man. The dude had families and friends, and everyone of them is affected. Maybe before the NARC unit he did some real good for his city, now hes dead. And then again he maybe woulda locked me up and treated like a piece of shit and whatnot, but I wouldnt wish death on the guy for doing his job. I hope you can understand what Im sayin, all humans have some type of compassion. Just think of his fatherless kids...Fuck

Alright, even though the narc became a professional predator by choice, I suppose I can't go as far as applauding his death (which I didn't exactly do in this thread). Ideally, in a perfect world, he would have been taught the importance of Karmic balance, realized that victimizing his fellow man is no way to make a living... and went to medical school like his brother, devoting the rest of his life to helping people instead of hurting them.

I can at least concede that such an outcome would have been greatly preferable over his murder.
Good enough? :p

[Frozen]

Yes, ReardenMetal, I know exactly what you're saying, DIRTY, ROTTEN, CROOKED cops that break laws and back-door people to bust them can go straight to fucking hell where they belong.

Anyone that has ever had a cop with hard-on for them, had a DIRTY cop break into their home and PLANT EVIDENCE, you know what I'm talking about. FUCK CROOKED COPS.

And I'm happy to say, the cop that did to me and my family NO longer has his precious badge to hide behind. He lost his job over what he did, he's lucky he didn't prosecuted.

Now that motherfucker is driving a road-grater, ha ha Radcliffe!!!!!:violent4::violent1:

Heidi, I'm kind of surprised he lost his badge over that. In Chicago, that sort of behavior would have gotten him a nice promotion & raise...

[HeidiW]

Metal, I haven't read the full story on this, I kinda jumped in the tail end of it.

What you said about Karmic balance is 100% dead-on. What goes around comes around . . . . . . . . . . .

[ProdigalSon]

(which I didn't exactly do in this thread).

No you made a toast which is close enough to an applause for me.

If you said "I shouldnt have put the champagne glasses on the post, and my intentions of this thread was not to glorify his death and I feel horrible for his family and coworkers" then it would be good enough. But, WTF your sincere in what you mean and your opinion is just that. There like assholes and everyones got em and they all stink. Just cause we dont agree on it means I hate you, or wish you death *cough* its the way it is, and I can get passed it. Thank God(or who the fuck ever) we are free to have and openly express our opinions.

[AWOL]

meh, fuck it. He was probably brain washed into believeing what he does anyway, I do actually feel bad for him. Not that he feels bad for drug addicts, but I guess that makes me the more jesus like of the two.

[asplinteredfawn]

That fact that a human died is sad in it self. Yet, the fact that a narc inforcment officer is off the streets just means thats another one will fill his place. Just like every time they get one junkie off the street another will come around. It's the way this dirty world works.

[HeidiW]

Heidi, I'm kind of surprised he lost his badge over that. In Chicago, that sort of behavior would have gotten him a nice promotion & raise...

We were in a small town and this fucker started chasing me in high school wanting to get in my pants. Because of my family name where we're from, (My grandfather was Lieutenant Governor in the state of Kansas in the early 1970's). The sheriff had no choice as when my grandfather got out of state politics, he started and law firm in our town and was also a city attorney and a county attorney there. That idiot cop fucked up big time.:D:DHe got his!

[OxyContinuously]

Dude I have been lead away in handcuffs, I spent time in county but that doesn't have me cheering because a cop got killed. That cop was someone's son, and someone's husband. Do they deserve what they feel just because this man chose to be a cop. That would be like people that persecute junky's saying I'm glad that piece of shit OD'd because he was nothing but a menace. Some junkies are menaces, but for the most part they are kind and caring people with an addiction and nothing more. Some cops are dicks and some really do care and for that reason I won't celebrate a man being shot in cold blood. Perhaps if that cop had done something to me or someone I knew it would be a different story, since I don't know the man I'll say a prayer for his family and hope the piece of shit that killed him gets what he deserved.

No offense against you or anything; hell I like your posts as you are an intelligent addition to this board. I just don't share your sentiments. i have an inability to empathize, really, and don't really give a shit about other people's feelings for the most part--especially a bastard narc I am not the most social person, not because i am a nerd or geek or a fag or anything like that---society just sickens me. I don't regard this narcs death with anything more than a smirk and an "oh well" and furthermore, you have your opinion and i have mine---leave it at that. i neither want nor care about what you think about my opinion. I didn't post it so Chris thantos or anyone else could tell me what they think. Understand that and leave it alone---> I am thoroughly sick of this "holier than thou" fucking attitude. Come on, man. Say a prayer? This hands across America tree hugging bullshit makes me sick. Leave me the fuck alone w my opinion.

[blackdog]

hey we smoke our green and ingest our d.o.c, and they have the highest number of alchoholics and domestics squabbles but their shit is legal and they got the badge and guns. ok so now they wanna play cops and robbers and so when one of them who just happens to be newly married and with a fresh babie and kids, well this cowboy runs into a real badguy and gets his ass shot were supposed to feel oh so bad when he gets snuffed. and so we up his status to detective so his family can get big time benefits for all their lives and so instead of that wanna be cowboy working a skilled job like a plumber or a carpenter,mailman or a truckdriver, and more than likely coming home at days end. we all end up paying for his bad choice in ocupations. ah that just aggravates the hell outta me.
whattaya think??peace
da/dawgg,:rolleyes:

[Frozen]

Hey, you never see lambs gathering to mourn and express their condolences when a wolf gets rubbed out.

...and why the fuck should they? :p

[OxyContinuously]

hey we smoke our green and ingest our d.o.c, and they have the highest number of alchoholics and domestics squabbles but their shit is legal and they got the badge and guns. ok so now they wanna play cops and robbers and so when one of them who just happens to be newly married and with a fresh babie and kids, well this cowboy runs into a real badguy and gets his ass shot were supposed to feel oh so bad when he gets snuffed. and so we up his status to detective so his family can get big time benefits for all their lives and so instead of that wanna be cowboy working a skilled job like a plumber or a carpenter,mailman or a truckdriver, and more than likely coming home at days end. we all end up paying for his bad choice in ocupations. ah that just aggravates the hell outta me.
whattaya think??peace
da/dawgg,:rolleyes:

I agree completely w/ you dawgg ;-)

[robojunkie]

War on drugs is bullshit but they use the term "war". Spies are about the best term one could use to describe narcs. In time of war it is acceptable by the Geneva convention for spies to be summarily executed. Hence executed narc is fully fucking justified. Goddam spies...

[AWOL]

If you don't want casualties, don't wage war.

[ProdigalSon]

I dont understand why the Govt. doesnt at least legalize weed. It kills me. I can understand shit like coke cause it can be made into crack EASILY. But weed? Opium as well. I just dont get it. These two "drugs" have destroyed less lives than tylenol. Look that shit up, id bet on it. And booze? I know soooooo many dudes that threw it away to booze, or have cirrosis or cancer cause of it. Of every person Ive known addicted to smack or pills, not coke though, has led a normal life. I know theres that 1% or whatever, but you ever seen a pothead holdin up a store for weed $$$. Fuck no you havent. And I had a gun to my face for a bottle of MOHAWK vodka a while back. At the very least legalize the shit and tax it to, maybe, get our deficit in line so 30 fucking percent of my money isnt ass raped outta me each paycheck to pay for what ever they do with the money. Ya know?

[I-Nod]

We all know what we're gettin into when we get low... they know what they're gettin into when they lock up folks.... who's surprized really? Sucks for his family, just as bad as it sucks for the dad/ mom hooked on opi's (or what have you) who can't see their kids grow up, but it's all part of the game. And we all know the rules. RIP.

[tptptp]

Blah I hate almost all police. Had very bad experiences with them my entire life. They always come off as cocky assholes who needed a way to powertrip maybe to feel in control of their life. For anonymitys sake Ill make this a little more unclear but one time when a family member of mine was younger and was out with a group of friends on public property (though late, late at night in a big open field) not bothering anyone but tossing back some brews. The police came and this family member got away
Later in the night the cop told my family they were lucky he hadnt caught him cuz if he had, that family member would be dead basically....if it would have been the family member that said that about the cop hed still be sitting in jail...the p.o got in trouble but NOTHING like the kinda of trouble if roles had been reversed....and shit the crime was underage drinking, so yes that was even said to a minor...

Fuck the police. People that go on to catch rapist,murderes etc. are cool but the ones who go on mainly for that and dont care too much about drugs are few and very very far between.

I cant blanket statement all police, or even all narcs. Well actually narcs can be blanket staetemented cause I dont think any came on the job saying fuck meth opiates are cool though, wont arrest anyone there and make them go through hell with murderers and rapist who are going to fuck them in the ass and completely ruin their life because im an ignorant, stupid fuck. IMO For all the hell hes put people through for wanting to be happy(opiates) jail, getting raped in jail, having their careers and liberties stripped etc. hes just as guilty of those crimes as if he had done them himself.

[devilsdrug]

some of my favorite peeps are cops or prison guards

[nick]

There IS a difference between the law(which is an ass) and cops.

[ProdigalSon]

I have a Associates in Criminal Justice. I wanted and still do want to be a cop. Really..I just could not arrest say like a dude with a couple OCs or a bag of weed. DUIs, hellfire, I almost died the other day cause of a drunk, and lost a sister and two very good friends to DUI.

Then say I gotta arrest a child molester....MMPH...The Maglite logo would be imprinted in his forehead 5 or 6 six times for I shove it up his ass...

I passed my civil service test and am eligable for the acadamy, but here in MI, as a state, wez dead broke and noones hiring. Only the jail, and I aint gonna put up with that shit

[chemboy7]

War on drugs is bullshit but they use the term "war". Spies are about the best term one could use to describe narcs. In time of war it is acceptable by the Geneva convention for spies to be summarily executed. Hence executed narc is fully fucking justified. Goddam spies...

That is exactly right Robo; this fucking "free" country waged a war against it's own people with this "war on drugs" bullshit. Users are the new Jews in this prohabitu-holocaust. That's like war on cigarettes, you dont lock up or shoot a cigarette, you smoke it... they aint goin' after drugs in this war it's the drug users WHOM ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS they are after. I think it's sick that our country has waged war on it's own people, much sicker than rising a toast to a stiff narc. Granted, I aint gonna be throwing no party because of anyone's death; but what people need to understand is that this was not your ordinary, run of the mill, write you a speeding ticket type of cop... he was a fucking narc, the enemy. This holier than thou bastard dedicated his life to erradicating junkies and users. And I am sorry but I feel little pity in war time when one of my enemies (a potential threat to me and my side) is taken out. Do you think this rat fucker would shed a tear or waste 5 minutes out of his day to post against other cops that were laughing about a junkies demise? I wonder... Hmm, fuck no they wouldn't, it's their sole purpose in this world to be our antagonist. That same narc that you guys are sticking up for would have had a beer with his buddies after work laughing about how they shot/busted you and how much "safer the streets are now". Bullshit. If you want to call war and start playing soldier be prepared to get shot; when I decided I was going to do my own thing I realized the danger in it and did it anyways, so did this prick. End of story.

[nick]

That is exactly right Robo; this fucking "free" country waged a war against it's own people with this "war on drugs" bullshit. Users are the new Jews in this prohabitu-holocaust. That's like war on cigarettes, you dont lock up or shoot a cigarette, you smoke it... they aint goin' after drugs in this war it's the drug users WHOM ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS they are after. I think it's sick that our country has waged war on it's own people, much sicker than rising a toast to a stiff narc. Granted, I aint gonna be throwing no party because of anyone's death; but what people need to understand is that this was not your ordinary, run of the mill, write you a speeding ticket type of cop... he was a fucking narc, the enemy. This holier than thou bastard dedicated his life to erradicating junkies and users. And I am sorry but I feel little pity in war time when one of my enemies (a potential threat to me and my side) is taken out. Do you think this rat fucker would shed a tear or waste 5 minutes out of his day to post against other cops that were laughing about a junkies demise? I wonder... Hmm, fuck no they wouldn't, it's their sole purpose in this world to be our antagonist. That same narc that you guys are sticking up for would have had a beer with his buddies after work laughing about how they shot/busted you and how much "safer the streets are now". Bullshit. If you want to call war and start playing soldier be prepared to get shot; when I decided I was going to do my own thing I realized the danger in it and did it anyways, so did this prick. End of story.

BUT bro,we ARE better than them.If we get dragged in to the gutter we ARE truely lost.

I've been bust several times,been in the cells and locked up,buried alive and I forgive them because they really Don't understand,they're ignorant.I DO understand where you're coming from,but cops and junkies we're ALL trapped in an awful system/nightmare.

Oh and the drug war is global and it sucks.

[chemboy7]

BUT bro,we ARE better than them.If we get dragged in to the gutter we ARE truely lost.

I've been bust several times,been in the cells and locked up,buried alive and I forgive them because they really Don't understand,they're ignorant.I DO understand where you're coming from,but cops and junkies we're ALL trapped in an awful system/nightmare.

Oh and the drug war is global and it sucks.

Well this thread alone proves that junkies are more compassionate than their predators, of course we're better than them. You gotta understand if you just take a passive role and forgive and forget in time of war you really are gonna end up in the gutter though, literally, just like this dead narc.

[tptptp]

There IS a difference between the law(which is an ass) and cops.

You're right the cops are even worse than the law because they choose to enforce it when they know its fucked up (or are ignorant and dont think it is).

[blackdog]

yo chemboy i dig what yer saying about us losing are rights and freedoms and shit. i mean whats with all the controls. bastids damn bastids.... anyhow ya got me ta imagine what mighta happened back in the colonial period if say when George Washington was pres and someone tryed to make it illegal to smoke tobacco hah! or how fast to ride there horse!man i can see it...... hey blackdog why did you shoot the marshall dead answer: cause he tryed taking my tobacco pouch away and also forfeiture of my horse cause i was speeding and i said hell no! and i shot him dead! nobody's gonna take my gun untill they can pry my cold dead fingers from it. them was the rules back then all sheriffs and Marshall's treaded very lightly less they get dead for step on someones toes!!
dawgg,:p

[ProdigalSon]

BUT bro,we ARE better than them.If we get dragged in to the gutter we ARE truely lost.

I've been bust several times,been in the cells and locked up,buried alive and I forgive them because they really Don't understand,they're ignorant.I DO understand where you're coming from,but cops and junkies we're ALL trapped in an awful system/nightmare.

Oh and the drug war is global and it sucks.

Exactly...Ignorance

[Woowoo]

Warms my heart to read news like this. If their chosen profession is to ruin the lives of people who wouldn't hurt a fly, then I consider them the refuse of humanity. He doesn't even deserve a funeral, just toss his corpse in the dumpster. And to add icing to the cake, I see that no real people were hurt in the incident. I clink my glass in toast.

[nick]

Warms my heart to read news like this. If their chosen profession is to ruin the lives of people who wouldn't hurt a fly, then I consider them the refuse of humanity. He doesn't even deserve a funeral, just toss his corpse in the dumpster. And to add icing to the cake, I see that no real people were hurt in the incident. I clink my glass in toast.

I uderstand your feelings Mr Woo,but this ain't right.No one benmefits from this-how hot do you think the neighberhood will have been afterwards?

We're ALL puppets in a very poor play.

[wafflehead77]

This guy was just doing his job. If he was dirty, and had it in for users, then he became to wrapped-up in his work. Many of us do this, he just happened to be in law enforcement. I dont care for police myself, but they dont make the laws; they only enforce them. Law makers are the ones to be disgusted with. The dude was a minion for the truly evil legislation that started the war.

[Woowoo]

OK that was cold me of. I know this guy probably had a wife and kids and nobody's death is a cause of real celebration.

But true blue friends that I really love have had their lives ruined by these fuckin' creeps, and the "just following orders" excuse washes over on me about as much as saying that the Nazi doctors were "just following orders" when they rammed spikes into Jew's legs as "experiments".

So I'll try to find some compassion in my heart, but believe me, I can't shed a tear if I tried.

[chemboy7]

This guy was just doing his job. If he was dirty, and had it in for users, then he became to wrapped-up in his work. Many of us do this, he just happened to be in law enforcement. I dont care for police myself, but they dont make the laws; they only enforce them. Law makers are the ones to be disgusted with. The dude was a minion for the truly evil legislation that started the war.

Yeah the law maker's are the ones to be disgusted with just like in war time it's the governments to be ashamed of, not the soldiers. That being said just because they are "just following orders" in this war on drugs doesn't mean that they shouldn't be looked down upon; they are soldiers in an active war against YOU. And I don't like the "it's just his job" or "he's just following orders" or "he didn't make the laws" arguments either because you know what, he wasn't drafted either. He chose to become not just a cop (which is bad enough) but a cop whose sole purpose is to fight in the war on drugs. Those asshole's laugh and get off on the anguish of people who commit vicitimless crimes, so no, fuck him I'm glad he's no longer around. His family are the ones to feel sorry for, they didn't make the horrible decision to become a narc that he did; but I wouldn't shed a tear if every single one of those drug nazis were wiped from the streets... in fact I probably would drink to that.

[ProdigalSon]

Ugggghhhhh...Some of these posts disgust me:(

[nick]

Ugggghhhhh...Some of these posts disgust me:(

They're not disgusting bro.They're sad.The drug war dehumanises us ALL.

Just sad to see folks I thought I knew better talking this way.

Chem my bro,when they make you bitter YOU lose.Try not to be bitter.

[youwonhundred]

Ya know, it is pretty fucking sad that people die, period, for whatever reason, and its not cool to celebrate the death of any human being, but I can certainly understand anger and frustration at the actions of some cops. For example, how many of us find shooting a 17 year old in the back, while handcuffed "justified"? Just because he ran? Maybe its just me, but if there is any justification in murdering a 17 year old, just because he ran, then theres just as much justification in "gunning down" a cop.

Far as I'm concerned, if a cop can murder a scared kid for running away, because he "posed a threat to society" then the cop is just as open to shot at. Does he/she not pose a threat to a users way of life? I honestly do not give a shit if dope is illegal and its a risk you take, blah blah blah. Fair is fair. If we can be gunned down in cold blood for trying to run from the law, we have just as much right to turn around and empty a weapon in that same cops chest. Are we not "someones child, father, son, daughter," too? What about that same 17 year old? Wasn't he someones kid? Did he deserve to die?

[ProdigalSon]

Just sad to see folks I thought I knew better talking this way.



Yeah....

[robojunkie]

Ugggghhhhh...Some of these posts disgust me:(

Why do they disgust you? A fucking narc is someone who chose to become a cop, and not just a regular patrol cop, but one who's life/job purpose is to destroy the lives of, oh, say, US?! I know you've said before you've thought about/would like to someday become a cop. Personally, that's none of my business really. However narcs aren't just regular cops. Think Wehrmact to the SS as an analogy. The first, regular soldiers. The second, well you know. That's like cops to narcs. So the thought that a narc got killed brings about as much water to my eye as there is in Death Valley. I mean like others have said not many give a shit when a cop kills a junky but turn the tables and we're all supposed to "show our humanity"? No, its a war they declared (the politicians) and narcs aren't just following orders, they're avid supporters. Besides, what's the "score" (not to sound sarcastic)? A few dead narcs and thousands of dead junkies? Please.

[Curio]

Yeah....

me three....

at least it is taking my mind off nearly asking all you guys to channel your anger into the direction some of you were offering my way the other day...just found insurance paperwork that shows my husband added A DEATH INDEMNITY RIDER onto my car insurance policy NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO.....now I gotta find myself a cop....except no crime has occurred yet....It sure hurts to know you love and care for someone who is a sociopath trying to attain his desired honda rincon, rubicon, fifth wheel toyhaulers and all the other stuff on his typewritten list I found february 15th....happy valentine's day baby...

anyway, the NARC term is confusing me I guess....I always thought a narc was an informant, a civilian, not a cop....I wanted to be a cop from my late teens mainly due to watching the show Quincy and not wanting to go to medical or any other school that long but still get to solve murders and fire guns and be a buffed out woman kicking some butt....I always saw myself kinda like Linda Hamilton in Terminator but hopefully less wigged out from PTSD....lol....oh well it's good to "want" ain't it?

I wish I could show you guys my before and after pictures....I look like an auschwitz inmate now instead of the hard body firefighter I was in 2005...

NOW STOP WISHING HATE AND DEATH ON FOLKS....IT SEEMS TO SPREAD LIKE DISEASE....

:p

[ProdigalSon]

Why do they disgust you? A fucking narc is someone who chose to become a cop, and not just a regular patrol cop, but one who's life/job purpose is to destroy the lives of, oh, say, US?! I know you've said before you've thought about/would like to someday become a cop. Personally, that's none of my business really. However narcs aren't just regular cops. Think Wehrmact to the SS as an analogy. The first, regular soldiers. The second, well you know. That's like cops to narcs. So the thought that a narc got killed brings about as much water to my eye as there is in Death Valley. I mean like others have said not many give a shit when a cop kills a junky but turn the tables and we're all supposed to "show our humanity"? No, its a war they declared (the politicians) and narcs aren't just following orders, they're avid supporters. Besides, what's the "score" (not to sound sarcastic)? A few dead narcs and thousands of dead junkies? Please.

Its not the fact he was a narc, he was a father, husband, son etc...He was a man with priorities and rasising kids and whatnot....Thats all Im sayin

[robojunkie]

CT,
I completely differentiate between a homicide/sex crimes detective and a narc. I got no problem with someone trying to solve murders, rapes, crimes against children, etc. (BTW in this thread narc is an undercover narcotics cop, but it can also be a rat as well) It's just that these guys (narcs) have chosen a police specialty that is responsible for the misery and destruction of countless lives for nothing more than committing a victimless "crime".

Pill,
I sympathize for his, and many of his victims' who are rotting in prison, families. They didn't make these choices. But quite often people that I or others regard as "bad" or offensive often have roles in their lives that aren't. Plenty of rapists and murderers and SS officers were also fathers/husbands/sons/pillars of the community/etc. But these other roles or acts of good do not excuse the other role involving harm and infliction of pain and misery. That's my point.

[ProdigalSon]

^^^^IME its hurtful seeing others who believe in something so much they would put there life on the line...It crawls out of me everyday. When someone in that type of wotk, gets killed, it hurts...

Maybe its me being dropped in Afgan..Seeing young guys who thought they were doin the world a favor, making there country proud, and Id be one of the guys picking up a leg under fire to have his body in one place

Thats were it hits me dude. He was willing to give his life and ended up doing that. I would have been proud as fuck to die for my country. So should he. He died for his city...On duty or not, He helped people.

Maybe it was the Smack head who he arrested who woulda overdosed the next day if he wasnt causght, or maybe busted a delivery that some thirteen year old woulda tried the next day. Were always sayind, DO NOT go down that route. Well this guy kinda helped it, and by getting people arrested and on some typr of program, IMHO he helped people like us. Fuck, I wish I was caught with a ton of OXYs, did some time and be over it, it woulda taught mtme a lesson and I wouldnt be in this dark place I am now

I dunno WTF im tryng to say, but Im sorry he met his demise and that peeps are happy over it. You guys are entitled to your opinions, and I respect them. But, dude, toasting someones death....He did good for his city, and believed in what he did....

[robojunkie]

I hear what you're trying to say pill, but just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right or wrong, it just makes it what they believe in. Maybe you would have preferred to be busted with a bunch of oxys to "stop" you from progressing (I don't believe arresting people is ever "good" for them...) but I would prefer to be left alone and as such never worry about most of the harm associated with illegal drugs. I can get how you may identify with him in the general sense, but the Taliban is a million miles away from drug users. Maybe his bust would have stopped a 13 year old from picking up his first shot but maybe this bust would have destroyed a family with children involved too. You were in a war fighting terrorists and religious fanatics. He was in a war on his own countrymen and people like us. I guess we should just agree to disagree.

Oh, and pill, do you honestly believe that the average narc thinks (or cares about in any way) that he is helping drug users? Or even wants too? Have you ever been questioned/interrogated by one? Most I've interacted with treated me like some sub-human piece of shit and most others I know who have had to deal with narcs on any level say the same thing. All they care about is their bust count, and possibly some altruistic "cleaning up the city" type shit. They certainly don't care about junkies. They may care about kids, but once a given kid becomes a junkie they stop caring in any way.

[ProdigalSon]

RJ you have points, I have points I dont want to argue or even discuss the issue. I respect what you have to say, and have the utmost confidence in what you say, you believe. But this one I will be bowing out. Agree to disagree is the right way for this

[Somanax]

There are no such things as victimless crimes . Even if you are the victim yourself .It is still your choice the man who chose to be involved in the war on drugs was probably a volounteer and possibly an idealist however he chose his life and chose to be a traitor /betrayor to people who took him in to thier trust. Well he bought his ticket he took his ride, as have we all.However we do it to please our selves or pain /mngmnt . All I can honestly say ,is he was probably as serious about his job as we are about our addictions. However my momma raised me better than to be a snitch /cop /corrections officer . I have one contact on this site that has known me almost all my life ,and I Hope he/she is on my own personal side of this.He {the narc} side and has to live or dy with it . quite possibly it is safer to be honest than a liar. My referrer and my own experience says honesty in a dishonest game , are better than shallow graves etc... Sorry we are just on opposite sides of the fence and he thought he was morally better ,his life depended on lies, yes he was a victim of his own , false innuendo / LIES and we O.D. he got shot who did the most harm ???The shooter or the LIAR. His family suffers because ,he had no standard of how to live an honest life P.S his family prolly never knew he was an U.C.officer untill informed of demise in line of duty?? All I can say is enemy by choice, and can say is that they are no better than any junky/booster its only a job aka hustle and they are paid to be proffessional liars. How many of us are paid to be addicts. HE MADE HIS CHOICE!!! I am not saying he asked to be killed however his life was less different than the media would spin this he lived a ly and got caught . Same as if we were killed in the line of duty AKA trying to stay well as in not sick Film at 11:00 not for us the same as if we were killed in the line of duty??? I do not think so :(

[The Lurker]

Ugh. Exhausting and draining just to read this. Negativity and hate just brings you down, folks.

After all that, only thing I can say is: if Pill ever decides to become a cop, I know he'll be one of the cool ones.

(Yes, he'll still have to enforce the laws - good or bad. That's his job)

And when he gets off work, the first two rounds're on me.

-TL

[Woowoo]

There are no such things as victimless crimes . Even if you are the victim yourself
Nonesense, our society is filled with victimless crimes! It all depends on the law! If somebody is sick and has a no appetite, maybe a big fat joint of sticky green bud would help them get better. They get their appetitite back, they start to eat, their body grows stronger. It would end up being a positive benefit on their life. Who's the victim? The grower? The "distributor"? The guy who smoked it? Nobody's the victim, there are no victims, it's a win-win situation! But it is a crime due to our fucked up laws.

[candyshop]

i am sure it has been said already but when we advocate or celebrate violence ,we become the thing that "they " stereotype us as--and if these stereotypes did not exist ,maybe they would not feel so justified in going after us with such enthusiasm

we need to be more human ,more compassionate and more forgiving than the enemy
otherwise we appear to be the desperate ,vicious, grandma robbing slime that they believe we are
let us continue to prove them wrong

[ProdigalSon]

Ugh. Exhausting and draining just to read this. Negativity and hate just brings you down, folks.

After all that, only thing I can say is: if Pill ever decides to become a cop, I know he'll be one of the cool ones.

(Yes, he'll still have to enforce the laws - good or bad. That's his job)

And when he gets off work, the first two rounds're on me.

-TL

Its always been my fallback job in case what I decided to do didnt work out, and it hasnt worked out...So Im giving it serious thought, or re-enlisting which I really dont want to

Dude Id be after drunk drivers, and not the ones who blow just at the legal limit, Im talking fucked up blowin.25s and shit. If I found some weed on some kids, Id probably dump it and call there parents. Not even make a report. If I found a thirty year old dude with 10 OC 80s, Id ask him if he didnt have these would he WD. If he said yes Id give em back, maybe throw a couple down the sewer and give him one of those help pamphlets and my phone number if he ever decides to quit, im an ex-addict..I wanna help people, not fuck them over with court costs legal bills, stays in prison. Its a vague drift, but can ya catch it?

My career in LE would be like search and rescue, SWAT cause of my career as a sniper, which kinda sucks cause you gotta raid drug houses, pedophiles, Id be all over them motherfuckers, spouse abusers, people who beat the fuck outta there kids, Id go after crackheads for sure, Hookers I prob just fuck with them, alot, fucking theives cause I cannot stand someone who steals, hell maybe even internal affairs to get asshole cops off the street. Me, I think every drug should be legal,cept coke, cause you can make crack so fuckin easy. We all know what kinda crimes im talking about even if I didnt say it specifically, but theres gotta be some motherfuckers out there to stop them.

And fathers, if I become a cop in your state and I catch some guy rapin your daughter or wife, dont worry, itll be handled by cold hard redneck justice "What the fuck happened to him?" Sargeant asks. "he slipped on the ice and busted his head open...a few times" I say. Officer ******** its July, and were in Florida". "Sarge crazier things have happened, ever hear about those Northern Lights, weird shit....I dunno he must be drunk..." But if I catch your kid with dope, you deal with it, too much paper work

Ive had two bad experiencec with cops...And both time I was apprehensive over nothing. I blew a .02(which in MI is 2x the legal limit) and was let go. Because I was straight about the boozin, and passed my field sobriety tests no prob. But usually if your cool with them, there cool with us. Unless you have a mile long record then you gonna catch some shit

[I-Nod]

..Ive had two bad experiencec with cops...And both time I was apprehensive over nothing. I blew a .02(which in MI is 2x the legal limit) and was let go. Because I was straight about the boozin, and passed my field sobriety tests no prob. But usually if your cool with them, there cool with us. Unless you have a mile long record then you gonna catch some shit

I must say I've had some good deeds fall upon me from cops also. I'd always tell them, flat-out, what I was doing (drinking or driving w/out a license, what have ya etc etc) And more times than not, they would let me go or wait til backup came and wave them on... then let me go. So after many trial & errors, I've found telling them the truth gets me much further.

[noahzark]

True story believe it or not.

A friend bought a neighberhood dive bar in the north west side of Chi-Town. It was a typical blue collar place and there was dope but that is a different story. My buddy kept telling me to come and see the joint for months. I finally went on a Friday night. He and I and his girl friend sat at the end spot where he always sat. He kept telling the bar tender to fill up my beer glass. I don't know how much I had cause when it was half full he had him fill it up again and again. I told them to stop but they would not listen. They put shots in front of me and made me drink em. At about 1:30 AM I left. When I got up it hit me. I was fucked up. I starting driving home and came to a light at Milwaukee and Lawrence in Chicago. It was red and stayed red for what seemed like hours. I was stopped. Then I took off through the light, I thought there was no one around. Right then an unmarked Chicago cop car pulled along side of me and the cop rolled down his window and said "pull over right now" he flashed his badge at me and two very large, mean looking cops got out of their car. One came to the driver side and the other the passenger side, I was alone in my car. The cop said to me "why did you run that light, I saw you sitting there and then you want on through". I started to say some BS and the cop started yelling at me. He said "your drunk I can smell it" Everytime I tried to talk he interupted me and yelled one inch from my face "you are drink and I know it". I said "no sir, Im just tired". He said "you are lying, you are drunk". He was spitting in my face like a drill sargent I was so scared, I thought I was gonna get a DUI. The cop then said to me yelling, "you go right now to a Denny's or a Dunkin Donuts and drink coffee and stay there for 2 hours, do you understand!". I could not get a work in edgewise, he was yelling at me.

I didnt go anywhere but home after that. This is a true story and could only happen one place in the USA and that is Chicago. Ask anyone, Chicago Cops are a special breed. This guy was probably a gang crimes cop and didnt want to go to the station and write it up.

Noahzark

[ProdigalSon]

Fuck I went off a dirt road into ditch once and couldnt get out. It was pourin rain like a cow pissin on a flat rock. So this chick with these perfect tits and her boyfriedn come and pull me out.

Just as I drive aay I see a cop comin up the road. Its about 11:30pm. And Im druuuuuunk. Me and a buddy sptlit a litre of grey goose and damn nean a 30 whacker of pabst while fishin.

He pulls up askes if were ok then tells us to pull to the side. I was underage, two open eers in the cupholders, what was rest of the 30 pack in the bed of my truck and a quarter of some really good dank.

He has on this rain suit. Askes if we were drinking. Said yes. Asked how much. Said alot. Said any drugs in the car. Said yes and handed it to him. He pulls us outta the car, made us blow, I was a .22 not sure of my friend. Searches it, we got DRENCHED as hell. He dumped the weed and kept the beer fer himself and let us go.

He said "Those long days of fishin can bite ya in the ass sometimes, this time it almost did"

Hey mustve though the soaking was punishment enough and it help I was literally 100 yards to my parents driveway..

Whew..

[HeidiW]

It takes 1,000 bad cops to equal 1 good one.

[noahzark]

It takes 1,000 bad cops to equal 1 good one.


My dad always used to say me as a kid "scratch a cop, find a crook". At that time, I didnt know what he was talking about. I do now.............

Noahzark

[ProdigalSon]

Keepin my motherfuckin mouth shut:mad:

[ProdigalSon]

Ok, if I did becme a cop, and got shot dead, would you celebrate my death or put up a Farewell sticky?????? Motherfuckers aitn gonna hurt my feelings, be fucking honest

[thujone]

I find it odd that some of you are happy about the death of a human simply because he may have locked away a few "harmless" junkies. If junkies are harmless, then who the fuck MURDERED this man? I'm inclined to mourn the death of this man, as he was clearly dealing with people who really are the scum of society if they feel the need to kill an enforcer of the law.

If a police officer is killed by a child molestor, how does that make it any different than if he/she is killed by anyone else? The act of cold-blooded murder makes a sinner from even a saint. The drug war truly is a shame, but it really makes me sad that some of you think people who decide to shrug off the fact that selling drugs is ILLEGAL by thinking they can go around murdering anyone who stands in their way (and actually DOING so) should be celebrated as if they did something heroic by murdering a human.

The bottom line is, the man murdered was sworn to uphold the law, and therefore it's probably what he did do. That makes him a far lesser evil than the drug-slinging outlaws out there who callously terrorized his family and a neighbourhood by murdering him on the sidewalk, and it scares me to think some of you would rather have the outlaws out there just because they are the ones providing you with the fix you need.

Addiction must truly be a most horrible fate

[greenfox]

Hollow point shells for the snitches . . . .:hangloose:violent1:
thank you. and to the poster right above you, NO i didn't know him but i did know he made his money (livlihood) being a misserable prick.

You know I get this shit sometimes; blah blah you don't know the guy, not all cops are bad, WHATEVER! Anyone who is a cop...

well I put it to you like this: being a cop is ONE THING (even tho I despise them,) but being a NARC? That's a special kind of asshole. I mean what kind of human being... and FURTHERMORE anyone who makes a living off the missery of others.. that's fucked up. Seriously! It's not a matter of knowing the guy or not... i'll say it like this: if the tables were turned, I guarentee you this guy's attitude would be "fucking lowlife druggie scum" so why SHOULDN'T we cellebrate when one of THEIRS bites the dust? FUCK `EM! they knew the risks when becomming little puppets for the state, in this CASE, I give `em a foxy-swish FUCK YOU with my giant green tail.

:violent4: :sandm: THE NARC----> :magicshit

[devilsdrug]

there is a lotof lumpin all in the same boat here, not all are bad folks in any group

[Somanax]

I find it odd that some of you are happy about the death of a human simply because he may have locked away a few "harmless" junkies. If junkies are harmless, then who the fuck MURDERED this man? I'm inclined to mourn the death of this man, as he was clearly dealing with people who really are the scum of society if they feel the need to kill an enforcer of the law.

If a police officer is killed by a child molestor, how does that make it any different than if he/she is killed by anyone else? The act of cold-blooded murder makes a sinner from even a saint. The drug war truly is a shame, but it really makes me sad that some of you think people who decide to shrug off the fact that selling drugs is ILLEGAL by thinking they can go around murdering anyone who stands in their way (and actually DOING so) should be celebrated as if they did something heroic by murdering a human.

The bottom line is, the man murdered was sworn to uphold the law, and therefore it's probably what he did do. That makes him a far lesser evil than the drug-slinging outlaws out there who callously terrorized his family and a neighbourhood by murdering him on the sidewalk, and it scares me to think some of you would rather have the outlaws out there just because they are the ones providing you with the fix you need.

Addiction must truly be a most horrible fate
are you swine?? you first post homebake and then defend someone who would destroy your family take your children as I said he bought his ticket he took his ride and that was his free will .

[robojunkie]

Ok, if I did becme a cop, and got shot dead, would you celebrate my death or put up a Farewell sticky?????? Motherfuckers aitn gonna hurt my feelings, be fucking honest

Well pill, first of all I would like to clarify that I wasn't/am not "celebrating" the fact that this narc was killed. I just don't feel much/any sympathy towards him as he is the "enemy". I can sympathize with his family, especially children (if he had any) but I tend to have more sympathy for his victims and their families. Now, interesting question you ask...first of all I differentiate between regular beat/patrol cops and narcs. If you became a cop and were murdered at some random traffic stop or such, I would find that to be very sad and, yes I would be for a sticky in that case. However I don't think it is realistic to think that you could choose to become a cop and then, especially as a rookie, selectively not enforce/arrest the drug laws/junkies. You will have to arrest one of us at some point, no way around it.

Now you asked for honesty, and I will say that is something I respect about you, the fact that we often disagree, especially about political type stuff, and yet can have discussions about these things without big flame wars, etc. Few people I can do that with while disagreeing. If you were to become a narc (which I know you wouldn't, but just for conversation and differentiation) and used your past drug experience to go after junkies/dealers/etc and do all the things narcs do like blackmail, browbeat, take advantage of junkies' withdrawals, etc I still wouldn't "celebrate" your demise. However in this case I would see you as a traitor and I would not sympathize nor would I support a sticky, at least not as a commemorative, maybe as a tale of the path not to follow. But I know you wouldn't become a narc, so that's irrelevant...


I find it odd that some of you are happy about the death of a human simply because he may have locked away a few "harmless" junkies. If junkies are harmless, then who the fuck MURDERED this man? I'm inclined to mourn the death of this man, as he was clearly dealing with people who really are the scum of society if they feel the need to kill an enforcer of the law.

If a police officer is killed by a child molestor, how does that make it any different than if he/she is killed by anyone else? The act of cold-blooded murder makes a sinner from even a saint. The drug war truly is a shame, but it really makes me sad that some of you think people who decide to shrug off the fact that selling drugs is ILLEGAL by thinking they can go around murdering anyone who stands in their way (and actually DOING so) should be celebrated as if they did something heroic by murdering a human.

The bottom line is, the man murdered was sworn to uphold the law, and therefore it's probably what he did do. That makes him a far lesser evil than the drug-slinging outlaws out there who callously terrorized his family and a neighbourhood by murdering him on the sidewalk, and it scares me to think some of you would rather have the outlaws out there just because they are the ones providing you with the fix you need.

Addiction must truly be a most horrible fate

Dude, the words "legal" and "illegal" are not in any way synonymous with "right" and "wrong". Personally I see this narc's demise as more of a KIA/casualty of war than as a murder. I mean come on, its weak logic/ethical rationale to equate legal and moral states. I'm sure there were plenty of SS officers who also swore to uphold the law and even believed in the things they were doing, and when one of them was killed the government would propagandize about murdering scumbag "inferior races", etc. Still bullshit as what they were doing was clearly not right, but still legal. Same basic idea here (very different degree of severity but the parallels are still there).

And you seem to speak as though you are an "outsider", not a junky/user/whatever. Just the way the words come across. And by the way, I wouldn't go out and start shooting cops or narcs or anyone unless someone victimized me/my family and that would go for anyone, not just police or whatever. Child molesters, kidnappers, ie anyone who is attempting to destroy my/my family's lives. I live a pretty honest life, I don't hurt others and I have no respect for the law as a moral guide. As such whether its a violent criminal or the law trying to destroy my life without cause I see it as the same thing, a threat to my well being and survival. So the difference between a child molester and a junky in general, if this isn't painfully obvious to begin with, is one is a victimless "crime", the other a heinous crime with severe victimization. I could go on and on and on but my fingers are getting tired and so am I...

[greenfox]

<BAm-zip-zam-za-SNiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPLES!!!!>

The bottom line is, the man murdered was sworn to uphold the law, and therefore it's probably what he did do. That makes him a far lesser evil than the drug-slinging outlaws out there who callously terrorized his family and a neighbourhood by murdering him on the sidewalk, and it scares me to think some of you would rather have the outlaws out there just because they are the ones providing you with the fix you need.

Addiction must truly be a most horrible fate

are you serious? I mean, really... are you SERIOUS?!?!? We wouldn't have to "terr-ah-ize" the neighborhoods, as you put it, if things were legal and provided in a safe environment (me think of the Dutch)... but seriously...are u for REAL!? This guy knew what he was doing - you know? And i didn't even foxy-read the articles... here... just the bottom line. And you know what... yeah, I think I would rather have outlaws run the streets... things would be a lot "safer"... and it has nothing to do with getting a "fix" as you put it (do you even belong here?) wow is all I can say. Our government spends BILLIONS in a "war on drugs (its own people)" every single day (well, year for the billions mark) and what do we get? Do you feel safer? I don't think you do. If you do, you need to wake up and smell the horse shit being shoveled by our "fearless leaders". I didn't ask for this war; I DIDN'T SIGN UP! Now tell these narcs to get the fuck out of my business, and then they won't get shot and EVERYBODY will be happy.

[youwonhundred]

I find it odd that some of you are happy about the death of a human simply because he may have locked away a few "harmless" junkies. If junkies are harmless, then who the fuck MURDERED this man? I'm inclined to mourn the death of this man, as he was clearly dealing with people who really are the scum of society if they feel the need to kill an enforcer of the law.

If a police officer is killed by a child molestor, how does that make it any different than if he/she is killed by anyone else? The act of cold-blooded murder makes a sinner from even a saint. The drug war truly is a shame, but it really makes me sad that some of you think people who decide to shrug off the fact that selling drugs is ILLEGAL by thinking they can go around murdering anyone who stands in their way (and actually DOING so) should be celebrated as if they did something heroic by murdering a human.

The bottom line is, the man murdered was sworn to uphold the law, and therefore it's probably what he did do. That makes him a far lesser evil than the drug-slinging outlaws out there who callously terrorized his family and a neighbourhood by murdering him on the sidewalk, and it scares me to think some of you would rather have the outlaws out there just because they are the ones providing you with the fix you need.

Addiction must truly be a most horrible fate

Based on a bit of research, in the city of Chicago in 2006, just to have a comparison, there were 488 reported armed robberies and 6 murders for the year. While deaths are always regrettable, as is any needless violence, no one is up in arms, offering a $21,000 dollar reward for information leading to an arrest for any of those other victims. Just because the guy was a cop, you assume that his death was directly attributable to that fact. Is it not also possible that the robbery was coincidence? He was in the wrong place at the wrong time? I am not in any way saying that he deserves to be dead. My dislike of cops is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

If junkies are harmless, then who the fuck MURDERED this man?

Based on news reports I have found in the research I have done over the past hour or so, there is absolutely ZERO proof that his death was in any way drug related. Therefore, your logic is faulty. ie He was a narcotics detective. He was shot. A drug addict shot him (for whatever reason). Therefore, drug addicts are, and again I quote you,

"people who really are the scum of society if they feel the need to kill an enforcer of the law."

The next point that particularly rubbed me wrong is your obvious contempt for us, "junky scum" as you put it. The one thing that I do not disagree with is that selling drugs is illegal. The point that obviously escapes you, actually, this is more than one single point. but one thing at a time. First, many of us have legitimate reasons, as well as sources for our opiates. Secondly, you register here, regardless of your scorn for "junky scum" and post this:

hey what's up, just establishing my presence i'm not an addict but i really love opiates and indulge in them as much as i feel comfortable doing... my passion has led me to the
brink of some interesting chemistry experiments, and i hope to dig deep into that shit as a member here. hi

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy here? Personally, I find this doubly offensive because a) I am a chronic pain patient, with a legitimate need for some pain relief. and b) It's okay for you to "indulge" but the rest of us who do are, yep, you guessed it, "junky scum."

Next on my list of "issues" with your post is this, you seem to totally disregard the fact that there are dirty cops, junky cops, etc etc. The bottom line, to use your words once again, is that in this instance, the dead pig was off duty, therefore was probably more concerned with the White Castle bags in his hand than anything so noble as "upholding the law." Honestly, I am quite shocked the bags weren't from Krispy Kreme. Seriously though, you point fingers at "drug slinging outlaws," who "callously terrorized his family" when in fact there is no evidence (made even more obvious by the lack of an arrest in the case) thereby assuming his death was somehow drug related. Do you have some information the Chicago PD doesn't? Do you have a crystal ball?

Even more hilarious (for want of a better term) you assume that the members of this board, and opiate users in general, enjoy the fact that the government has chosen to wage a "war" on what otherwise responsible adults put in their bodies. Honestly, I would prefer it if a bottle of Dilaudid were as easy to obtain as a fifth of whiskey, which, by the way, causes more harm to the body and to society as a whole. Let me pose a question, slightly off topic, but still at least somewhat relevant. Do you know what it feels like, as a six year old boy, to see your father, standing 6"3', drunk and raging to the point where he is swinging a 2X4X8 toward your 5"3' mother? And yet, the substances in his body were perfectly legal. Can you see the idiocy in the "war on (some) drugs"?

Don't worry, I'm almost done. My own "drug slinging outlaw" is an anaesthesiologist and specialist in pain management, so if you don't mind, please cease and desist with your idiotic stereotyping. Oh wait, I forgot, one more thing I wanted to mention regarding your oh so noble police officers. Were you aware that on the 4th of July weekend, a 31 year old man was shot and killed because his stereo was too loud, on the strip in Las Vegas Nevada. Same city, a 17 year old kid, who was handcuffed behind his back at the time, was shot and killed for running from police. Both of those, mind you, were ruled "justified" by the laws pertaining to deadly force. Police are allowed to use deadly force "to prevent the escape of a fleeing (accused) felon who [the officer] has probable cause to believe will pose a significant threat to human life if escape should occur."

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" As someone said previously on this board, death isn't something that can be undone, if the officer turnd out to be mistaken. After all, cops are human too, right? At least, they are supposed to be. And in closing, yes, addiction really is horrible, but I gotta tell you, officer, constant unrelenting pain is far worse.

[thujone]

sorry, I should have put junky in quotes next to "harmless." I wasn't imply that anyone here is scum, but the link didn't work and it seemed reasonable to assume that anyone who has occupies such a risky profession and gets mysteriously gunned down on his driveway... was done in by some manner of dealer scum. I've been around a good number of dealers, and found that the ones carrying handguns around (handguns being illegal in Canada, which adds a far greater penalty to the charge of dealing) dealt with highly addictive substances such as coke and heroin. Personally, I've never seen anyone NOT associated with drug dealing run around callously tucking firearms, but have seen many dealers do exactly that.

Unfortunately, as I hear from one of my former acquaintances, it was a necessary step to protect him from not rival dealers, but in fact from junkie customers, as he was nearly killed by one of his desperate clients in his own home over a stack of OCs.

Like I said before, the war on drugs truly is a shame... but calling the deceased a "casualty of war" implies that those on our side of this war are using lethal force to retaliate. youwonhundred, just as you feel that the legal system is inadequate to judge you because you have a legitimate need to pain relief, doesn't the deceased also deserve a reprieve from our judgment? A man is a unique being, and just because you all have known officers who have been abusive of the powers that WE as the public GRANT them, doesn't mean that this man was corrupt. For all you know, his best friend could have been a heroin user.

Yes, it would be fantastic if heroin were freely dispensed, and it's an honour to live in a country where that's slowly becoming a reality to offer relief for desperate addicts, but the fact is that it's not. The deceased was charged with upholding the law, and likely thought what he was doing to be a noble thing to do. The person who shot him, however, knew for sure that murder is the WRONG thing to do, and it's also wrong to rejoice in the injustice that has been committed against him and his family just because you assume he may have been terribly corrupt. Even if he were, that wouldn't give any man the right to kill a human, ESPECIALLY with all the tools available for ANY man to fight injustice in the Western world. You think the U.S. treats junkies unfair? Anyone seen with powder in Eastern Europe is generally eaten alive! Drugs are illegal everywhere and we all knew that we're leaving ourselves open for abuse if caught. That doesn't make it right to advocate someone's death. Innocent until proven guilty huh? Seems most of you are interested in assuming the man was guilty of ruthlessness before considering that he may have been a good man at heart.

ps. just because I accepted the risks associated with rec drug use, and still believe there is a very clear, THICK line between right and wrong doesn't mean that I'm judging anyone (as some of you have taken my comments very personally) as I'm not perfect myself.

[youwonhundred]

sorry, I should have put junky in quotes next to "harmless." I wasn't imply that anyone here is scum, but the link didn't work and it seemed reasonable to assume that anyone who has occupies such a risky profession and gets mysteriously gunned down on his driveway... was done in by some manner of dealer scum. I've been around a good number of dealers, and found that the ones carrying handguns around (handguns being illegal in Canada, which adds a far greater penalty to the charge of dealing) dealt with highly addictive substances such as coke and heroin. Personally, I've never seen anyone NOT associated with drug dealing run around callously tucking firearms, but have seen many dealers do exactly that.

Unfortunately, as I hear from one of my former acquaintances, it was a necessary step to protect him from not rival dealers, but in fact from junkie customers, as he was nearly killed by one of his desperate clients in his own home over a stack of OCs.

Like I said before, the war on drugs truly is a shame... but calling the deceased a "casualty of war" implies that those on our side of this war are using lethal force to retaliate. youwonhundred, just as you feel that the legal system is inadequate to judge you because you have a legitimate need to pain relief, doesn't the deceased also deserve a reprieve from our judgment? A man is a unique being, and just because you all have known officers who have been abusive of the powers that WE as the public GRANT them, doesn't mean that this man was corrupt. For all you know, his best friend could have been a heroin user.

Yes, it would be fantastic if heroin were freely dispensed, and it's an honour to live in a country where that's slowly becoming a reality to offer relief for desperate addicts, but the fact is that it's not. The deceased was charged with upholding the law, and likely thought what he was doing to be a noble thing to do. The person who shot him, however, knew for sure that murder is the WRONG thing to do, and it's also wrong to rejoice in the injustice that has been committed against him and his family just because you assume he may have been terribly corrupt. Even if he were, that wouldn't give any man the right to kill a human, ESPECIALLY with all the tools available for ANY man to fight injustice in the Western world. You think the U.S. treats junkies unfair? Anyone seen with powder in Eastern Europe is generally eaten alive! Drugs are illegal everywhere and we all knew that we're leaving ourselves open for abuse if caught. That doesn't make it right to advocate someone's death. Innocent until proven guilty huh? Seems most of you are interested in assuming the man was guilty of ruthlessness before considering that he may have been a good man at heart.

ps. just because I accepted the risks associated with rec drug use, and still believe there is a very clear, THICK line between right and wrong doesn't mean that I'm judging anyone (as some of you have taken my comments very personally) as I'm not perfect myself.

1) I NEVER called the corpse a casualty of war, RJ said that.
2) Yeah, the legal system is totally irrelevant. My opiate use is under the supervision of a doc, therefore legal.
3) I personally don't give a shit if he was good, bad or indifferent. There's no proof that the pig was killed by anyone in the illicit drug trade.
4) This isn't Eastern Europe.
5) I never "rejoiced" or even advocated is death. Untimely death is tragic, EVEN of a crooked cop. The only thing I agree with you on is the sanctity of human life.
6) The cop in question was in no way "upholding the law" He was off duty.
7) I don't know how it is in Canada, but where I live, KIDS carry guns.
8a) You say (paraphrasing here) that no man has the right to take another mans life. As I said before, I couldn't agree more. By that same token, what is your response to the Nevada excessive force cases I cited? Both cases were considered "justified". Do you agree with those?
8b) The group responsible for judging whether those shootings were justified or not did not include ONE representative of the victim, and in fact, those human beings were not referred to as "victims" at all. They were "suspects" or "perps". Is that in any way just? In a criminal proceeding, those dead men would at least be entitled to have an advocate present, and to have their cases heard. In death, do these men, guilty or innocent (factually, not in the legal sense) deserve less somehow? If so, why? Because another, fallible, human being (the police officer) saw them as DANGEROUS. Why does that officer deserve the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? (see #5)

Trust me on this one pal, it is NOT personal. I merely ask that you defend your own words. I am, in fact, the minister of a small congregation. For that reason, I know and love you, as my God loves you and all his children. I do, however, feel that your views are rather myopic, and I do NOT trust you. Maybe I am dead wrong, and as I said before, if I am, I'm man enough to apologize, but I smell bacon.

Oh, one more thing. If you are in fact a LEO, you are aware that you are violating the agreement you accepted when you joined this board, and are thereby in violation of your word. If you will lie about that, then your word is useless. And yet, you are fit to judge? It does say in the Bible, "judge not, lest ye be judged," and "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone."

To everyone else, I apologize for Bible thumping, it isn't normally my way, but thujone, you bring up judgement. There you have it.

To the mods, I know, I should just leave this alone, but I cannot. Delete it if you must, and if that is the case, I really am sorry for the trouble, but this just has to be said. It is not intended to be a flame.

[Somanax]

1) I NEVER called the corpse a casualty of war, RJ said that.
2) Yeah, the legal system is totally irrelevant. My opiate use is under the supervision of a doc, therefore legal.
3) I personally don't give a shit if he was good, bad or indifferent. There's no proof that the pig was killed by anyone in the illicit drug trade.
4) This isn't Eastern Europe.
5) I never "rejoiced" or even advocated is death. Untimely death is tragic, EVEN of a crooked cop. The only thing I agree with you on is the sanctity of human life.
6) The cop in question was in no way "upholding the law" He was off duty.
7) I don't know how it is in Canada, but where I live, KIDS carry guns.
8a) You say (paraphrasing here) that no man has the right to take another mans life. As I said before, I couldn't agree more. By that same token, what is your response to the Nevada excessive force cases I cited? Both cases were considered "justified". Do you agree with those?
8b) The group responsible for judging whether those shootings were justified or not did not include ONE representative of the victim, and in fact, those human beings were not referred to as "victims" at all. They were "suspects" or "perps". Is that in any way just? In a criminal proceeding, those dead men would at least be entitled to have an advocate present, and to have their cases heard. In death, do these men, guilty or innocent (factually, not in the legal sense) deserve less somehow? If so, why? Because another, fallible, human being (the police officer) saw them as DANGEROUS. Why does that officer deserve the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? (see #5)

Trust me on this one pal, it is NOT personal. I merely ask that you defend your own words. I am, in fact, the minister of a small congregation. For that reason, I know and love you, as my God loves you and all his children. I do, however, feel that your views are rather myopic, and I do NOT trust you. Maybe I am dead wrong, and as I said before, if I am, I'm man enough to apologize, but I smell bacon.

Oh, one more thing. If you are in fact a LEO, you are aware that you are violating the agreement you accepted when you joined this board, and are thereby in violation of your word. If you will lie about that, then your word is useless. And yet, you are fit to judge? It does say in the Bible, "judge not, lest ye be judged," and "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone."

To everyone else, I apologize for Bible thumping, it isn't normally my way, but thujone, you bring up judgement. There you have it.

To the mods, I know, I should just leave this alone, but I cannot. Delete it if you must, and if that is the case, I really am sorry for the trouble, but this just has to be said. It is not intended to be a flame.g
No it is not aflame but it is kinda warm what a wonderful day for a pig picking:D

[thujone]

So where does this narc accusation stem from? I'm rather confused that you think I'm a narc, as it seems a lot more likely a real narc would have simply steered clear of this thread and avoided argument rather than voice an opinion that is easy to see will be unpopular. Or perhaps you think this is all part of my horribly complex reverse-psychology scheme, and I'm just so damned cunning and determined to locate you and plant evidence on you because I'm so eager to see people I know nothing about end up in a cold, gray cell.

Paranoia is good, but I'm inclined to think you're taking it to the point of insanity. :eyebrow:

[youwonhundred]

I'd rather be paranoid and free than too trusting and staring at the inside of a cell. Also, after a point by point rebuttal of your previous post, the ONLY thing you comment on is the fact that I think you are a bacon reeking donut mongering swine. This, however is not the point of the thread, I posed legitimate questions that you completely ignored, that were in fact related to the thread. If you had spent any time around drug addicts in a social setting, you would realize that paranoia is a part of the mindset. If, hypothetically speaking, I was in a social setting with people I didn't know very well, and the subject of drugs came up, I for one, would be very hesitant to say a damn word and probably wouldn't, out of simple self preservation. As I said, if you are not a pig, then by all means, you have my sincere apology. On that note, if two opiophiles have a bad feeling about someone, as was the case with you, paranoia is par for the course. There were just a couple things that you said that immediately put my guard up. "Making your presence known" was such a cop thing to say, first off, not to mention your (naive, ignorant, brilliantly convoluted) -take your pick, whichever you think fits better- assertion that posts on a message board cannot be used against you in court proceedings. Imagine if the subject was terrorism, instead of opiates. You think that wouldn't be used in a trial (if you were even allowed one). You are aware, are you not, that ANY communication more advanced than a handwritten note passed hand-to-hand is monitored/recorded by "the man". You call me paranoid. To that, sir, I say thank you. That paranoia is unfortunately a thing of necessity in the world we live in.

As I said, if I am wrong, I apologize for misjudging you, but for the moment, I'll hang on to my paranoia. Just one more thing, if you don't mind. Did you purposely avoid the questions I posed, or did you just have no answers?

“. . . there are periods of history when the visions of madmen and dope fiends are a better guide to reality than the common-sense interpretation of data available to the so-called normal mind. This is one such period, if you haven't noticed already.”

Now, I'm quite finished with this discussion. I'm sorry the dude died, I'm really sorry for what his wife and family had to go through. Losing family is tough, but I will shed exactly as many tears for him as the LVMPD officers who shot that handcuffed 17 year old did.

Now, in response to Pillophile. Dude, I have quite a lot of respect for your military service, the strength of your convictions and character, and I appreciate your idealistic view of "if you were a cop". There is simply no way that you could have a career with a police force, and NEVER be in a situation where you HAD to arrest an addict. Who knows, it might even be one of us. Be that as it may, if you were a LEO, and were killed in the line of duty, I'm not sure how I would respond, except to say, a good and courageous man passed away, and for that alone, I would shed a tear.

[HeidiW]

You won hundred, ALL of your posts in response to 'thujone' are my thoughts exactly.

I'm too fucking mad and in too much pain to respond the way I'd like to, so:

thujone, I have a question for you:

Have you ever been physically violated by a dirty cop? Has a cop ever broken into your home? Ever had a cop plant evidence on you or your property?

If you've answered NO to any or all of these, I REALLY don't think you have the right to call anyone the things you did your post.

I don't terrorize ANYBODY.

MAYBE myself. And I really don't think my physician would take too kindly to a slanderous post like that.

A narc should know goddamned good and well the risks they're taking when they stoop to such a dirty-rat bastard level.


Yeah, maybe I DO take your post a little bit personally.
And for the record, the motherfucking LT. DETECTIVE who did that shit to me and my family no longer has his badge. He's lucky his ass escaped prosecution for gross deriliction of duty, amongst a few other misdemeanors.

Have a nice day.;)

[HeidiW]

So where does this narc accusation stem from? I'm rather confused that you think I'm a narc, as it seems a lot more likely a real narc would have simply steered clear of this thread and avoided argument rather than voice an opinion that is easy to see will be unpopular. Or perhaps you think this is all part of my horribly complex reverse-psychology scheme, and I'm just so damned cunning and determined to locate you and plant evidence on you because I'm so eager to see people I know nothing about end up in a cold, gray cell.

Paranoia is good, but I'm inclined to think you're taking it to the point of insanity. :eyebrow:

My question is: what's your badge # and what dept. do you work for?

I say fuck cops. So sue me. I don't give a damn. It's my 1st amendment right to say that and print that, the SAME constitution GOVERNMENT and they're little cop slaves are supposed to uphold and protect.

How do you like me now??;)

[thujone]

Really, I had just signed up to be asking questions that I figured I could get answers to...

I'd rather be paranoid and free than too trusting and staring at the inside of a cell.

so who the fuck has been detained or abused by the law for shit that has been post on the fucking internet? Please enlighten me, I have never heard of anyone having something they posted on a discussion forum being held against them in any situation that actually mattered.

Also, after a point by point rebuttal of your previous post, the ONLY thing you comment on is the fact that I think you are a bacon reeking donut mongering swine.yeah, because it's really pissing me off!!

This, however is not the point of the thread, I posed legitimate questions that you completely ignored, that were in fact related to the thread.sorry... like I said, I was a bit PISSED OFF at being called a narc.

8a) You say (paraphrasing here) that no man has the right to take another mans life. As I said before, I couldn't agree more. By that same token, what is your response to the Nevada excessive force cases I cited? Both cases were considered "justified". Do you agree with those?you already answered the question: no man has the right to take another man's life. so naturally, I disagree with it. I'm not disputing that cops (in the U.S., personally I've never been mistreated by a LEO) do some really heinous shit, but I am saying that it's a tough position to be in where you are given a gun and told to uphold the law... if you're a cop, you know people hate you, and you have no idea just how far someone is going to go if they see you approaching. It's not completely unlikely that a person you approach may pull a weapon on you, and if you've got a gun aimed at them it's all too easy to pull the trigger when you decide that a) you're scared and b) the law will protect you because you're the police. It's a sad state of affairs but shit.. until you or I enact some change, we're just going to have to accept that we really have to watch what we do to make anyone pointing a GUN at us as comfortable as possible.

8b) The group responsible for judging whether those shootings were justified or not did not include ONE representative of the victim, and in fact, those human beings were not referred to as "victims" at all. They were "suspects" or "perps". Is that in any way just? In a criminal proceeding, those dead men would at least be entitled to have an advocate present, and to have their cases heard. In death, do these men, guilty or innocent (factually, not in the legal sense) deserve less somehow? If so, why? Because another, fallible, human being (the police officer) saw them as DANGEROUS. Why does that officer deserve the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? (see #5)I don't have anything to say. I've read about accounts where S.W.A.T. has busted into the WRONG home and SHOT the occupant who may have retaliated completely legitimately because S.W.A.T. did not announce they are the police. My initial response was really to those who thought it was FUCKING COOL! that a MAN died just because he was a NARC, without even knowing anything about him... I like punching someone in the face as next as the next man, but I'm just a peacenik who is sad for the loss of anyone's life.



If you had spent any time around drug addicts in a social setting, you would realize that paranoia is a part of the mindset. I've been around one heroin addict frequently, and he supplied me my stuff... but I hated it. I've sold a lot of shit classed lower than heroin, and know what it's like to be paranoid... but that's the reason I stopped dealing in the first place. The money in it (especially when I was using myself) just wasn't worth it, and if I stepped up to the hard drugs I would have to accept harsher penalties, unpredictable customers, and that rival dealers may antagonize me. Just... Not... Worth... It.

the vast majority of my opiates come from legitimate sources, and though I may ultimately use them not as intended, I don't mind it because I won't succumb to irrational paranoia anytime soon.

If, hypothetically speaking, I was in a social setting with people I didn't know very well, and the subject of drugs came up, I for one, would be very hesitant to say a damn word and probably wouldn't, out of simple self preservation. Never smoked a joint? I guess it's radically different where you live, because most of the people I would encounter socially in my area wouldn't give a rat's ass if you are a complete pothead, and most like-minded individuals know where to get drugs that are a bit less common... and in turn those dealers may know where to get stuff that the average college student isn't smoking.

As I said, if you are not a pig, then by all means, you have my sincere apology."Making your presence known" was such a cop thing to say, first off, not to mention your (naive, ignorant, brilliantly convoluted) -take your pick, whichever you think fits better- assertion that posts on a message board cannot be used against you in court proceedings. Now that you mention it, MAKING MY PRESENCE KNOWN does sound sort of like a terrifying spectre... that makes it seem even LESS likely of a real narc to say. I really don't care about where you live or what your name is, but if you're going to refrain from saying "i just sold my friend a bag!" because you're paranoid that I would somehow give a SHIT, then that's your loss. I honestly don't see how anyone, LEO or not, would actually give enough of a fuck to pursue you beyond your internet alias and prosecute you IRL.

Imagine if the subject was terrorism, instead of opiates. You think that wouldn't be used in a trial (if you were even allowed one). You are aware, are you not, that ANY communication more advanced than a handwritten note passed hand-to-hand is monitored/recorded by "the man". You call me paranoid. To that, sir, I say thank you. That paranoia is unfortunately a thing of necessity in the world we live in. if said terrorists could afford a good lawyer, I don't think an internet posting would stand much of a chance. I recall a case where terrorists passing notes along the internet served no further purpose than giving the media another paragraph to add to their otherwise boring article.[/quote]

Now, I'm quite finished with this discussion. I'm sorry the dude died, I'm really sorry for what his wife and family had to go through. Losing family is tough, but I will shed exactly as many tears for him as the LVMPD officers who shot that handcuffed 17 year old did. Then I suppose we agree.


Have you ever been physically violated by a dirty cop? Has a cop ever broken into your home? Ever had a cop plant evidence on you or your property?

Arrr... no. thank god. though, this is irrelevant since you have no idea whether or not this man was a dirty cop or one who ever dreamed of planting evidence.

If you've answered NO to any or all of these, I REALLY don't think you have the right to call anyone the things you did your post.but you had already judged the deceased, why am i MORE in the wrong for judging you? At least I had your hateful response to form my argument on, you knew nothing more than his name and age before supporting his murder.

MAYBE myself.well... word. I thought this was a forum for those interested in safely enjoying opiates. I guess it's more of a place to randomly hate on people because they were narcs and then call anyone who sounds suspicious for any reason you can invent a narc. Personally, I am a member of other forums where discussion about opiates is routine, and neither am I called a narc, nor is any narc's presence made a big deal of. The ONLY people who have been in legal trouble as a result of their participation in these forums have been those who have SOLD drugs via PM.

Like I said, if you don't do that kind of shit, then why the fuck should it matter to you if I'm a narc if people revealing greater details of their secret drug life on greater publicized forums have never felt the grip of handcuffs as a result of what they posted? HELL, I accidentally posted information containing my full name on the largest drug-awareness forum on the net (rather drunk) and despite all my prior posts listing serious criminal offenses, I was NEVER APPROACHED BY THE FEDS!

Have any of you suffered as a result of what you posted on this site? I'd bet money on it that you haven't, so given as this is a PUBLIC forum and I was able to read all the content I am able to read now as I was before even registering, I would be grateful not to be called a narc for BULLSHIT reasons, because I am now fucking sick of defending myself to a bunch of tools who are actually fool enough to believe I could actually bring hell to your life if I were a LEO.

To those who have called me a narc, don't worry, I'll never be PMing you for ANY information, your actions have already shown me that you are completely fucking foolish. Maybe if you had extreme intelligence to go along with your extreme paranoia, you would simply avoid posting anything where an officer of the law could read without even registering.

ps. just put me on ignore if you really think i'm a narc. personally, i think it's unfair to judge me because you don't like the sound of the first sentence i posted, but if you actually have a problem with me for that then just use the ignore feature.

[greenfox]

Really, I had just signed up to be asking questions that I figured I could get answers to...



so who the fuck has been detained or abused by the law for shit that has been post on the fucking internet? Please enlighten me, I have never heard of anyone having something they posted on a discussion forum being held against them in any situation that actually mattered.

yeah, because it's really pissing me off!!

sorry... like I said, I was a bit PISSED OFF at being called a narc.

you already answered the question: no man has the right to take another man's life. so naturally, I disagree with it. I'm not disputing that cops (in the U.S., personally I've never been mistreated by a LEO) do some really heinous shit, but I am saying that it's a tough position to be in where you are given a gun and told to uphold the law... if you're a cop, you know people hate you, and you have no idea just how far someone is going to go if they see you approaching. It's not completely unlikely that a person you approach may pull a weapon on you, and if you've got a gun aimed at them it's all too easy to pull the trigger when you decide that a) you're scared and b) the law will protect you because you're the police. It's a sad state of affairs but shit.. until you or I enact some change, we're just going to have to accept that we really have to watch what we do to make anyone pointing a GUN at us as comfortable as possible.

I don't have anything to say. I've read about accounts where S.W.A.T. has busted into the WRONG home and SHOT the occupant who may have retaliated completely legitimately because S.W.A.T. did not announce they are the police. My initial response was really to those who thought it was FUCKING COOL! that a MAN died just because he was a NARC, without even knowing anything about him... I like punching someone in the face as next as the next man, but I'm just a peacenik who is sad for the loss of anyone's life.



I've been around one heroin addict frequently, and he supplied me my stuff... but I hated it. I've sold a lot of shit classed lower than heroin, and know what it's like to be paranoid... but that's the reason I stopped dealing in the first place. The money in it (especially when I was using myself) just wasn't worth it, and if I stepped up to the hard drugs I would have to accept harsher penalties, unpredictable customers, and that rival dealers may antagonize me. Just... Not... Worth... It.

the vast majority of my opiates come from legitimate sources, and though I may ultimately use them not as intended, I don't mind it because I won't succumb to irrational paranoia anytime soon.

Never smoked a joint? I guess it's radically different where you live, because most of the people I would encounter socially in my area wouldn't give a rat's ass if you are a complete pothead, and most like-minded individuals know where to get drugs that are a bit less common... and in turn those dealers may know where to get stuff that the average college student isn't smoking.

Now that you mention it, MAKING MY PRESENCE KNOWN does sound sort of like a terrifying spectre... that makes it seem even LESS likely of a real narc to say. I really don't care about where you live or what your name is, but if you're going to refrain from saying "i just sold my friend a bag!" because you're paranoid that I would somehow give a SHIT, then that's your loss. I honestly don't see how anyone, LEO or not, would actually give enough of a fuck to pursue you beyond your internet alias and prosecute you IRL.

if said terrorists could afford a good lawyer, I don't think an internet posting would stand much of a chance. I recall a case where terrorists passing notes along the internet served no further purpose than giving the media another paragraph to add to their otherwise boring article.

Then I suppose we agree.




Arrr... no. thank god. though, this is irrelevant since you have no idea whether or not this man was a dirty cop or one who ever dreamed of planting evidence.

but you had already judged the deceased, why am i MORE in the wrong for judging you? At least I had your hateful response to form my argument on, you knew nothing more than his name and age before supporting his murder.

well... word. I thought this was a forum for those interested in safely enjoying opiates. I guess it's more of a place to randomly hate on people because they were narcs and then call anyone who sounds suspicious for any reason you can invent a narc. Personally, I am a member of other forums where discussion about opiates is routine, and neither am I called a narc, nor is any narc's presence made a big deal of. The ONLY people who have been in legal trouble as a result of their participation in these forums have been those who have SOLD drugs via PM.

Like I said, if you don't do that kind of shit, then why the fuck should it matter to you if I'm a narc if people revealing greater details of their secret drug life on greater publicized forums have never felt the grip of handcuffs as a result of what they posted? HELL, I accidentally posted information containing my full name on the largest drug-awareness forum on the net (rather drunk) and despite all my prior posts listing serious criminal offenses, I was NEVER APPROACHED BY THE FEDS!

Have any of you suffered as a result of what you posted on this site? I'd bet money on it that you haven't, so given as this is a PUBLIC forum and I was able to read all the content I am able to read now as I was before even registering, I would be grateful not to be called a narc for BULLSHIT reasons, because I am now fucking sick of defending myself to a bunch of tools who are actually fool enough to believe I could actually bring hell to your life if I were a LEO.

To those who have called me a narc, don't worry, I'll never be PMing you for ANY information, your actions have already shown me that you are completely fucking foolish. Maybe if you had extreme intelligence to go along with your extreme paranoia, you would simply avoid posting anything where an officer of the law could read without even registering.

ps. just put me on ignore if you really think i'm a narc. personally, i think it's unfair to judge me because you don't like the sound of the first sentence i posted, but if you actually have a problem with me for that then just use the ignore feature.[/quote]

Wow! I guess I was gone for a little while here :) Umm I don't know I don't think you are a narc PER SAY I just think you have a lot to learn about opiophiles. We love a good debate and we'll go to any lenghts to get said debate. Don't be sad and don't worry too much about it; it's a matter or course not a matter of cause...

And as far as this whole cop thing goes, let's agree on a few things:

1) No one ever held a gun to said cops' head, (although they do it for a living, but I digress,) the pigs CHOSE their life just as we chose ours. It's a shit-eat-turd world, and there isn't much room for foxy hugs or persian rugs, (quite unfortunately) but that's ok we still get by, and most of us still get high (Kyuss want to join in?) :)

2) Every opiophile here has respect for your opinion, and I don't think anyone is going to put anyone on ignore, (unless your name is HarryPothead) -we enjoy the challange. Just keep comming back and we'll keep pumping you full of shiny green fox fur.

3) Come on you raver, you seer of visions, you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and SHINE.

[nick]

You won hundred, ALL of your posts in response to 'thujone' are my thoughts exactly.

I'm too fucking mad and in too much pain to respond the way I'd like to, so:

thujone, I have a question for you:

Have you ever been physically violated by a dirty cop? Has a cop ever broken into your home? Ever had a cop plant evidence on you or your property?

If you've answered NO to any or all of these, I REALLY don't think you have the right to call anyone the things you did your post.

I don't terrorize ANYBODY.

MAYBE myself. And I really don't think my physician would take too kindly to a slanderous post like that.

A narc should know goddamned good and well the risks they're taking when they stoop to such a dirty-rat bastard level.


Yeah, maybe I DO take your post a little bit personally.
And for the record, the motherfucking LT. DETECTIVE who did that shit to me and my family no longer has his badge. He's lucky his ass escaped prosecution for gross deriliction of duty, amongst a few other misdemeanors.

Have a nice day.;)

Guys please,
Sister H,I have done the legal dance,been fucked with by cops,been hit and locked up(forget your "rights") the whole nine yards.I'm not a cop and I don't much like cops,but I take NO joy in this poor guys death.
The drug war demeans us ALL.


and look at it pragmatically.This sort of thing plays in to the hands of the folks who want to portray "us" as bad people.

Also,someone WILL pay for this.I wouldn't want to be a user in that neighberhood-there WILL be payback.

[youwonhundred]

if said terrorists could afford a good lawyer, I don't think an internet posting would stand much of a chance. I recall a case where terrorists passing notes along the internet served no further purpose than giving the media another paragraph to add to their otherwise boring article.

I don't know if you pay attention to the way things are going in America lately, but merely by mentioning the word "terrorism," the defendant in question can and probably will be denied ALL the rights that your average defendant in the US is accorded. Locked up at Gitmo for 3 years, incommunicado? No worries. Denied counsel? So fuckin what, they're terrorists! Who cares? And did I hear correctly a while back that all drug related crimes in the US were being investigated for ties to terrorism?

The libertarian in me cringes at the thought.

[ProdigalSon]

Jesus Christ....

[HeidiW]

Um hum, because the Republicans have come up with some bullshit idea that drug money is a direct ink to terrorist funding. Oh boy. Another nice feature of the Patriot Act.

[youwonhundred]

Jesus Christ....

Question, was that directed at me?

If it was, then by all means, speak your mind. I don't plan on stopping because you're offended. Correct me if I am wrong but the First Amendment hasn't been repealed yet. To be perfectly honest, if you don't like what I said, then it is most assuredly your right to let your opinion fly. I won't get offended, I promise. Just as I am free to voice my opinions, so are you. On the other hand,

If you don't know the answer to a posted question or problem and/or have nothing intelligent or helpful to contribute - don't.

I'm not trying to start a pissing contest, or a flame war, or whatever the hell you choose to call it. Like I said Pill, I respect you for many reasons, but if you got something to say in response to my post, by God, say it.

[HeidiW]

All I have to say is this: the War on Drugs is a joke and people like us are the intended target, not the big dope dealers.

They make TOO MUCH $$$ the way things are. More addicts = more $$$ for them.

[ProdigalSon]

Question, was that directed at me?

If it was, then by all means, speak your mind. I don't plan on stopping because you're offended. Correct me if I am wrong but the First Amendment hasn't been repealed yet. To be perfectly honest, if you don't like what I said, then it is most assuredly your right to let your opinion fly. I won't get offended, I promise. Just as I am free to voice my opinions, so are you. On the other hand,

If you don't know the answer to a posted question or problem and/or have nothing intelligent or helpful to contribute - don't.

I'm not trying to start a pissing contest, or a flame war, or whatever the hell you choose to call it. Like I said Pill, I respect you for many reasons, but if you got something to say in response to my post, by God, say it.


No dude it was intended on how long the posts were. I dont have the goddamn constituton to read those sum bitches. Thats all I was sayin U-100.

For all fucking intents and purposes speak your mind. If I dont agree so the fuck be it. Freedom of speach. Comin down on a brother a little harsh:cool:

[youwonhundred]

No dude it was intended on how long the posts were. I dont have the goddamn constituton to read those sum bitches. Thats all I was sayin U-100.

For all fucking intents and purposes speak your mind. If I dont agree so the fuck be it. Freedom of speach. Comin down on a brother a little harsh:cool:

Fair enuff. The timing was a little suspect is all. I wasn't sure how to take it so I asked, because I do respect you. Maybe it was a little harsh, but its a lot nicer than what I originally was gonna post. Initially, I jumped the gun and just assumed it was directed at me, and my post was going to be something to the effect of "Fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw if you don't like it." Before I did, however, I rethought my words and that was what resulted. Comparatively speaking, I was downright POLITE! Yeah I know some of the posts were a little long, okay... really long.:p

[greenfox]

Fair enuff. The timing was a little suspect is all. I wasn't sure how to take it so I asked, because I do respect you. Maybe it was a little harsh, but its a lot nicer than what I originally was gonna post. Initially, I jumped the gun and just assumed it was directed at me, and my post was going to be something to the effect of "Fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw if you don't like it." Before I did, however, I rethought my words and that was what resulted. Comparatively speaking, I was downright POLITE! Yeah I know some of the posts were a little long, okay... really long.:p

wow this thread is turning into a monday night raw (if that's still even on I don't do wrestling)

[halfalien_s4]

my dad is a southern babptist minister....he was on his cell and pulled over to get out a phone number out of his breif case in the back seat ina parkinglot, and these 2 dum-ass cops walk up behind him and tell him to give them the beer bottle they saw in his hands. my dad was like wtf?!then he goes "im 60 yrs old. ive never taken a drink in my life and i dont plan to start now." so then they wanted to search the car. he refused. so they threatened him and he said frankly "i have all day, do what u nee dto do." so then they turned away and said "thanx for your cooperation sir" and walk off. fuckers....i hate cops. i alsways get searched for no reason and they have started harrasing my father as well. the cops here in collin county are definantly currpt....

[Frozen]

Quote from thujone: I find it odd that some of you are happy about the death of a human simply because he may have locked away a few "harmless" junkies.

----> He was a professional predator- A monster who made his career on spreading political oppression and misery. A sadist has been taken off the streets, and the world is now a better place for it.


I'm inclined to mourn the death of this man, as he was clearly dealing with people who really are the scum of society if they feel the need to kill an enforcer of the law.

---->Which side in the 'war on drugs' takes away our money by force (taxes), and then uses it to take away our medicines, property, freedom and dignity by force? Drug dealers give you a choice- pay them or don't pay them, it's all up to you. The same cannot be said of the prohibition enforcement goons.

"He who is merciful upon the cruel, is destined to be cruel onto the merciful"

~Actual theological quote, Babylonian Talmud.

[Frozen]

Why do they disgust you? A fucking narc is someone who chose to become a cop, and not just a regular patrol cop, but one who's life/job purpose is to destroy the lives of, oh, say, US?! I know you've said before you've thought about/would like to someday become a cop. Personally, that's none of my business really. However narcs aren't just regular cops. Think Wehrmact to the SS as an analogy. The first, regular soldiers. The second, well you know. That's like cops to narcs.

My grandmother is an Auschwitz survivor, with a blue number tattoo on her arm to prove it.
However, I am NOT offended by your comparison. Sounds about right to me...

[drugsaregood]

I'm ready to gun a mofo down now.

[smackcity]

I feel sorry for all the strips in that area cus there all going to be shut down now. Thats the dumbest thing to do is kill a cop but o well

[ProdigalSon]

Fair enuff. The timing was a little suspect is all. I wasn't sure how to take it so I asked, because I do respect you. Maybe it was a little harsh, but its a lot nicer than what I originally was gonna post. Initially, I jumped the gun and just assumed it was directed at me, and my post was going to be something to the effect of "Fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw if you don't like it." Before I did, however, I rethought my words and that was what resulted. Comparatively speaking, I was downright POLITE! Yeah I know some of the posts were a little long, okay... really long.:p


Hell dude, no hard feelins at all!!!

[youwonhundred]

Hell dude, no hard feelins at all!!!

Dammit, there you are. Peeps was worried about your ass yesterday!

[ProdigalSon]

Wow, Im doin good. I had St Pattys day to det up and whatnot, beertubs. I was fucking slammed...Non fucking stop all day which is great I was so happy with the drop but It was one of those days were you never got to take a piss from 9am till 3:30am...My legs are sore as shit today. Hit a joint a couple times and it helped.

Ive been doin great just business jumped up outta nowhere and havent alot of time on my hand to hit the PC. I thank everyone for the concern, it really means alot to me. Im takin regular days off now so my post whoring will come in waves, not constantly:p

[Frozen]

Look at this!

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_080060454.html

Look at this surveillance video of a filthy 250 pound typical Chicago PIG, beating up a defenseless hot young bartender for no reason. After beating her, he threatened to plant drugs in her car to keep her from reporting the incident.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/tale_of_the_tap.html

[ProdigalSon]

^^^Theres always a few bad apples in a bushel

[ProdigalSon]

Look at this!

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_080060454.html

Look at this surveillance video of a filthy 250 pound typical Chicago PIG, beating up a defenseless hot young bartender for no reason. After beating her, he threatened to plant drugs in her car to keep her from reporting the incident.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/tale_of_the_tap.html

^^^Theres always a few bad apples in a bushel

[lister40]

I got apathy from opiates, i hope? oh and cops

[HeidiW]

^^^Theres always a few bad apples in a bushel

Oh my god, did y'all see that shit? Dude had been arrested several times on various charges before he became a cop. His father was a high-ranking Chicago policeman, that's why they hired him. I seen this shit on Fox News, unfortunately, my old man watches that O'Reilly bullshit every night.:mad: