Your Favorite type of Kratom?

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Thought this would be a good poll.

[Zogledan]

SWIM has only had Indo so far
detailed hour by hour report in this thread
Zogledan did a intense research project on his human test subject SWIM
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=5615

[tptptp]

No clue, place i buy from just says kratom and it works, tried a bunch of extracts and "super grade" bullshit from the same company, but ive come back to the conclusion why mess with a good thing. As long as its working good im not into experimentation

[OhJoy]

Thai has always worked well for me, so I try and stick with what works.

[HistoryofMadness]

up to this point i've only had malaysian i think it was (which is missing from your list) but i'm hopefully going to get to try bali soon.

still working through the list.

[lstar7]

Great poll! I have tried the red veined thai, green veined thai, and just plain commercial/premium from TKK. Thier P/C is good, but the effects of the green thai, though perhaps not stronger, seem better to me. More pleasurable for some reason. Anyone have a theory on why that is?:rolleyes:

P.S. Red Veined thai isnt any good imo...

[HistoryofMadness]

Great poll! I have tried the red veined thai, green veined thai, and just plain commercial/premium from TKK. Thier P/C is good, but the effects of the green thai, though perhaps not stronger, seem better to me. More pleasurable for some reason. Anyone have a theory on why that is?:rolleyes:

P.S. Red Veined thai isnt any good imo...

isn't their P/C malaysian?

[lstar7]

dunno HOM :-)

[Chicklet]

I have been using kratom daily for about 2 years. I have tried every variety. I think that the best bang for your buck is Bali, crushed leaf. I have found that Thai, Indo, Malaysian and any of the extracts, tend to add a "speedy" effect to the mix, which I am not a fan of. I like the mellow, relaxed, yet able to do mundane tasks feeling that Bali gives me.

[Diacetyl]

Haven't tried kratom yet, but I plan too try the resin and maybe I'll make a homemade tincture of kratom using bulk kratom leaves.

[crumping]

Bali for me is more sedating. Indo is more stimulating and I use it as such. Sometimes I split the diff and mix it together. I do not use as much that way.. For more info on kratom check out kratomforum.com:)

[Diacetyl]

I tried kratom and it blew donkey dick. Weak as shit, I prefer t3's.

[tptptp]

I tried kratom and it blew donkey dick. Weak as shit, I prefer t3's.

sorry this may have been a bad experience for you but not really representatively true. most kratom is very weak and actually I've always got good stuff up until te last order. good kratom blows t3 and even hydro out of the water. Finding good kratom and the right dose is another story....and extracts, well they are just plain horrid.

[Diacetyl]

sorry this may have been a bad experience for you but not really representatively true. most kratom is very weak and actually I've always got good stuff up until te last order. good kratom blows t3 and even hydro out of the water. Finding good kratom and the right dose is another story....and extracts, well they are just plain horrid.

I've tried the kratom from the best sources dude, theres just no euphoria with kratom unless its used as a potentiator for other opiates.

Is kratom Usefull? Yes- its an amazing potentiator and its a godsend when you're having w/d's

Is it a GOOD opiates?- No, its very very weak, weaker than codeine IMO.

I have a huge tolerance and cannot get a decent high off this stuff no matter what vendor its from.

I have a large natural tolerance to opiates anyway though, so anything that isn't really fucking intense will just piss me off in the long run.


It's way to expensive as well, I have to eat $40+ grams to ffeel anything, thats $30+ after shipping... 30 bucks for a mediocre 4 high with NO euphoria? GIVE ME A BREAK.

I still have some in stock though, because as I said its a great potentiator. Works good with my dillies.

[tptptp]

I've tried the kratom from the best sources dude, theres just no euphoria with kratom unless its used as a potentiator for other opiates.

Is kratom Usefull? Yes- its an amazing potentiator and its a godsend when you're having w/d's

Is it a GOOD opiates?- No, its very very weak, weaker than codeine IMO.

I have a huge tolerance and cannot get a decent high off this stuff no matter what vendor its from.

I have a large natural tolerance to opiates anyway though, so anything that isn't really fucking intense will just piss me off in the long run.


It's way to expensive as well, I have to eat $40+ grams to ffeel anything, thats $30+ after shipping... 30 bucks for a mediocre 4 high with NO euphoria? GIVE ME A BREAK.

I still have some in stock though, because as I said its a great potentiator. Works good with my dillies.

I aint saying its great, but if you get good kratom its a hell of alot better than t3's. Of all the stuff I've done the most euphoric buzz I caught was off of kratom, though it only happened once. Finding a good supplier/dose is hard and even then it seems to be a crapshoot but I've gotten very nice euphoria out of it several times. When you have a big tolerance its hard to get a good feeling from it but a t3 to kratom? I just cant agree. Theres only like two or three main sources of kratom coming in so even if you hit a good supplier it may have been a bad time of year, like a couple months ago there was no good kratom ANYWHERE even the best places kratom would only relieve WD anmd only when eaten un;less a massive amount of tea was tkane.

If you're eating $30 worth you must be eating extracts cause $30 worth gets me a quarter lb. Im assuming you're not downing a quarter lb at once...and extracts are complete crap its true euphoria wise they may be worse than a t3

Actually though the only euphoric buzzes ive caught were from drinking it made into tea. eating it seems more energetic-like, and extracts only keep WD away for me regardless of amount.

Kratom kinda makes me feel sick now, when I really liked it I wouldnt say much when people would say it sucked because that would just screw me when they amde it illegal that much sooner. Kratoms not the greatest stuff for catching a buzz, but the biggest problem is the crap being sold and not real good kratom.

Iamshaman has had great kratom for a good long while up until about 3 months ago, now the stuff they have(or at least had at the time) was horrible and could only keep WD away when eaten in massive amounts. If your kratom has any type of sweet smell to it, even in a bitter way, its crap. It should only have a nasty bitter smell to it with no sweetness. if it doesnt look like a super super strong cup of coffee after you make it into tea and instead looks tan or like coffee with cream (its ok for it to look like coffee with cream once its cooled but not while its hot) its crap.

Its very well possible that it does produce less euphoria for you than t3 does, I don't know, but overall good kratom is at least on apr with hydro, IMO much better than that (a few have said oxy, I never had oxy but its wooped me better than O has)

[Saint]

I used the Bali grinded leaves when I was in withdrawals at 7.5 mgs of methadone. Everyone kept telling mehow it wouldn't work being on methadone and all but it did. It took the withdrawals away. Doesn't work for (severe) pain though imo.

[Nate]

Had some good results with Bali.

[Fran]

I've tried 2 different Thai strains , and had some good results ..I 've tried several "Indonesians" too , but it was more variable (and it's my actual stuff..) ... 'growing my own too ("Robert Rifat" clone) , and was good surprised with my first try ..(don't tried yet , haven't got enough plants for the moment ..:()
This plant is an excellent potentiator , imo ..:)

[Curio]

I only use the 15X powder extracts...I need so much of the regular Kratom to stay well that I'll get sick just from the amount of material required.

[NastyZilla]

Lyophilized. Hands down the f'ing BEST.

[rachamim18]

There is ONLY ONE KIND of Kratom. The leaf and perperations there of from the Mitrgyna Speciosa Korth tree. There is no "Bali," etc. They are ALL the same IF they are Kratom at all (many online are not).

[kyuss]

Lyophilized.


What is this?

I'm so tempted
to try the kratom krystals,
expensive as hell.
Anyone ever try em?

[tptptp]

There is ONLY ONE KIND of Kratom. The leaf and perperations there of from the Mitrgyna Speciosa Korth tree. There is no "Bali," etc. They are ALL the same IF they are Kratom at all (many online are not).

Well they are different, maybe because of maturity or growing conditions or something but they are definitely different. I remember spending extra for a stronger coveted "korth" stuff from a company I bought commercial leaf from (which worked great) and the korth stuff had red stems and was less bitter/kinda sweet and it was crap...

[Thebane]

I use the kyrstals a lot, never w/o other types of K though. I really only use them to boost a dose of leaf if it wasn't as strong as I wanted it to be. But then 3-4 pinches of crystals (and there are a lot of this sized dose in a bag) will move the buzz from hardly noticeable to great. At leasts thats been my experiences with them. Z's crystals is what I'm talking about.

[kyuss]

I use the kyrstals a lot, never w/o other types of K though. I really only use them to boost a dose of leaf if it wasn't as strong as I wanted it to be. But then 3-4 pinches of crystals (and there are a lot of this sized dose in a bag) will move the buzz from hardly noticeable to great. At leasts thats been my experiences with them. Z's crystals is what I'm talking about.

Sounds good.
I'll got 7 grams coming.

[jacky]

there is one species being sold as kratom that is the real deal...
most kratom these days is the real stuff I would imagine, now that some companies periodically test for the right compounds...

the problem with substituting other mitragyna species for kratom is that the leaves of other mitragyna plants are VERY different in size, and some different in shape even. I have a few different varieties of mitragyna in my voucher specimen collection, and some of the leaf material of some species are HUGE.

but HPLC tests of different mitragyna speciosa have shown a wide diversity in alkaloid content in plants from different areas...
that is why people label what area the kratom is supposedly from

it should be obvious to a botany degree holder that even plants of the same species that grow within a few miles of each other might have a slightly different alkaloid other other chemical constituents profile.

the kratom I grew myself for a few years made everyone who ate it get a bad headache...but yet this is the same plant that the basement shaman brought to the states almost 5 years ago.


people try and label kratom from different areas to be more scientific, or at least, so they can buy the same material again if possible....
with ANY voucher specimen presented, locale is an important fact.

is there much of a difference between mitragyna speciosa being grown in different areas?
only the people that actually do the leg work and try kratom from different areas would know.

there is another place that kratom is being grown, the dominican republic, the tree enjoys a vigorous growing climate there, but the material harvested is minimal, and is quickly bought up.
a few cuttings were planted 3-4 years ago, and have quickly grown.

[crumping]

just fyi, they have now extracts and blends that are more potent than the plain leaf such as bali, maylasian, thai and the like.. UEI, 250x 8% and some pretty potent tinctures.. can get them from speciosa.com and z-eclectic.com. they are more expensive, and your tolerance will rise, but they are stronger and you can take less. :p

[kyuss]

Lyophilized. Hands down the f'ing BEST.


that's the krystals
I was talking about.
I finally ordered some-
I like em too
but think I like
UIE the best.

[LorTabitha]

My favorite is any that I can afford. ;-)

[chemiKalz]

10 grams thai every morning eaten with juice keeps me alright, and even get a nice little buzz.

[rachamim18]

TP: Korth IS Kratom. The genus and variety are: Mitragyna Speciosa Korth. I probably have talked about how it grows here naturally,etc. Well, seeing all the sites devoted to the substance, as well as the prices charged, of course I thought about getting in on it. I contacted some botanists who intorduced me via phone and computer to a few wholesale distributors. To just illustrate what a scam it all is, all say that the only supplier is a single plantation on Jaza, in Indonesia.

It is true that indegenous users say that certain things matter like age of the leaf, white or red veins, etc. But, in the end,m that 300 plus US dollar differential in price per kilo of fresh leaf is just one big rip off.

Jacky: Absolutely. I know for a fact that Javanica is still sold though. In the end though I would imagine that as more and more distributors become familiar with the plant that such discrepancies will eventually disappear. however, I still would not advise anyone to buty "extracts" or powderised leaf. The leaf IS rather distinctive.

The thing about "different vaireties" is this: Only one is Kratom. While differing growing locales can always have an effect on alkaloidal content, virtually all Kratom sold today comes from a single farm. This is something most people do not want to hear but it is true. Also, I should add, that even if the market were to diversify (and I for one am taking a good shot at it), content varies even within one leaf, and then again at different times of year so that laying claim to one locale being more potent than another is non-sensical.

"Botany degree holder." But then you are defeating your point. If it varies so widely even within miles (and indeed it DOES), you cannot claim that "Bali" is better than say "Thai." Fact is though, while it is all supposedly Korth now, it is all grown on Jaza, on one small plantation.


"Labeling it because of trying to be scientific." No, not at all because as I pointed out it is the opposite when you label it as such. They do it as a selling point. In trying to get in on the wholesale tip myself, I have paid close attention to the marketing strategy/ies. One can buy some leaf for 300 and change US per kilo and others all the way up to 700 and change US. All grown in the same soil, all of course Korth because Mitragynine and 7-hydroxy are paticular to that variety.


"Voucher specemens and localities." From a botanical viewpoint, of course. From a common sensical viewpoint, of course not. A single leaf can have widely varying content depending which piece you measure and on what day you measure it as it changes over time, as do all plants.

I am not aware at all of the plant being grown commerically anywhere else but Java, and having surveyed 17 wholesalers, either are they. Anyone in a tropical environment though could grow it and that includes the DR. It would make perfect commerical sense because of the legalities and shipping involved. I am on an island where the tree grows naturally, indeed we have it here in my compound and I am heading to one of my lumber customers tommorow to see a large strand of it to try and calculate my chances on the wholesale market. The DR would certainly have an advantage over the Philipines in that they would pay far less to ship to the US.


However the tree takes several years before it can produce anything worthwhile. It is not paticularly fast growing although I have seen one site selling its seeds that claim it is. It gorws to 25 meters and that can take a couple of decades. Perhaps they have a different variety of the tree,etc. Aaaaahhhh, I see you say 3-4 years ago. But then they would have nothing to offer yet.


Anyway, it would be smart buisness for them to get in on it.

[hydrocodonious]

I have never tried Kratom, however reading this post has totally sparked my interest on the subject (I am a bio major and am interested in where certain plants grow and all that good shit). Hopefully i can find some good info on the subject and try it out.

[orchidfanatic]

I have a kratom bush ... on its way to a small tree .. whats the best way to use the green fresh leaf of kratom? I make a tea of 10 grams of the commercial and its nasty bitter.. is there a better way?

[rachamim18]

Orchid: For fresh leaf I would simply use it in the Thai tranditional way, roll it into a quid, place in the cheek as with chewing tobacco, and suck.

Hydro: The best medium for the tree is in a swampy area, or at least along the side of small creeks,etc. I just harvested 40 kilos of fresh leaf this morning and had to get in mud up to my waist. It grows best at low elevations and indirect sunlight.

[rachamim18]

Pictures taken this morning as I harvested roughly 40 kilograms of Mitragyna Speciosa Korth, akak Kratom leaf.

[tptptp]

Nice pics...

[orchidfanatic]

Orchid: For fresh leaf I would simply use it in the Thai tranditional way, roll it into a quid, place in the cheek as with chewing tobacco, and suck.

Hydro: The best medium for the tree is in a swampy area, or at least along the side of small creeks,etc. I just harvested 40 kilos of fresh leaf this morning and had to get in mud up to my waist. It grows best at low elevations and indirect sunlight.

mine seems fine in direct sun it stands up to florida summers quite well .. how many leaves for a quib? wow I had no idea that they could get that big !
thanks

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Pictures taken this morning as I harvested roughly 40 kilograms of Mitragyna Speciosa Korth, akak Kratom leaf.

rachmim,

That is freakin sweet man! Great pics! You sure took a lot of time and care with that plant!! GJ!

[rachamim18]

Noooo. It grows naturally here. That is just one of thousands on our properties here. The tree is used basically is used for furniture and acrhitectural mouldings.


The tree is very hardy, requiring not even watering because it naturally only gows aling rivers or in swamps. That tree is by one of our fish ponds amidst some rice paddies. The treeline in the rear is the border of Agusan del Sur Marsh, a swamp bigger than the Everglased and Okefenokee Swamps put together.

As for Florida, it would be VERY nice because of the low evelation and ample wetlands (in many areas).

[rachamim18]

A quid is varied. 17 grams fresh leaf is the clinically advised dosage BUTR since even a single elaf can vary widely in terms of alkaloids, it is really up in the air. I have used a 3 leaf (fresh) quid and do 5 in quick succession.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Gotcha, I just now seen you are from the Phillipines. Great pics none the less. You should post those on www.kratomforum.com (http://www.kratomforum.com) they would go nuts.

[Thebane]

Heh, it would be rather humorous if he posted on kratomforum. Although I'm pretty sure he'd be banned after his first post. They don't like people saying kratom is worthless for opiate withdrawals, when there are 100s of people with first-hand experience saying it isn't. And someone can say it's all in the name of science but it comes down to calling everyone at the site liars or idiots.

[Princess]

I mix my kratom 'tea' (made very strong) with my poppy tea and its the only I can sleep after drinking poppy tea.

If I make plain ole poppy tea, I can't sleep at all for 24 hrs, but if I mix the 2 teas, I can sleep that night.

Maybe its all in my head, who knows. It works for me!

[rachamim18]

Thebane:I could not post on a site like that because I now ship to wholesalers and would look at it as a but disingenous. I still say it is not worth much but am grateful others do, I am making alot of money on the leaf.

I will explain it a bit more, maybe this will help some people. There is one alkaloid, of 47 known, that does have pure agonism. 7-hydroxy is so good, that if you get it in purified form it is more than 7 times as effective on Mu (i.e. euphoria) than morphine. Problem though is that in most leaves it is less than .50% of total content (meaning less than half of one percent). I do know of two wholesalers selling 7-hydroxy extract, or so they say, but would not risk my money to test it (especially when I have unlimited leaf here to experiment on).


The reason Kratom itself is physically addictive though is related to another alkaloid altogether so that people confuse the partial agonism of 7-hydroxy with the physical addictiveness of the plant.

Will it help with addiction? I would wager it has real worth for SOME. You need to have a very light habit and consume alot of the leaf, or its various extracts (most extracts are nonsense). IF you are a Tea or codeine addict, or just have a 40 mg Oxy habit you might find some help. Me? 600 mgs. morphine daily, orally, and not a thing.

[Nostromos]

http://www.phytoextractum.com/images/medium/Products/kratomresin_MED.gifMitragyna Speciosa (Kratom) 54% Alkaloidal Resin


I bought some of this shit from Phytoextractum. I've never tried resin or extract before ... goddammit, word on the street is that extract isn't worth shit. I'll find out soon enough and let you know, hopefully from inside the cloak of a buzz. It's been a tough 1st half of the month. If this crap doesn't work, I do have some other sources I might be able to tap... And then, there's always boring ol' booze, but I used to drink rum like it was iced tea... don't wanna go back to that hell.

[Thebane]

If it's like z-eclectic's 17% crystals (look like tar), IME it will work decently. Just tear/grind it up depending on the consistency (it varies by the order with Z) and swallow it and I always chase it with hot tea/coffee to help it break down quickly. I never use just the extract, but I take the plain lead and then if my buzz isn't good enough swallow a pinch of the extract and it usually improves the buzz a lot. Good luck, hope you get something from it.

[Saint]

My favourite is the Bali-superstrong extract stuff. I ordered a lot about a year ago and it actually DID help with my methadone WD-s (really, I am not bullshitting here, it DID help some, but I was on a very low dose, about 10 mgs max, at the time).
Anyway, after that I was on subs for a while and forgot all about my kratom. But now I'm back on methadone and doing a taper (once again - yes it's getting boring I know, sigh..). But now I'm wondering how long my Bali-extract will remain powerful/potent.
Would it still be any good by the end of april or might I just as well throw it in the garbage now? It's no use trying if it's still any good now I guess since I'm on 40 mgs of done so I won't feel it anyway.
It's well packed by the way..

[Maggie38]

I'm a big fan of Malaysian and Meng Da. Bali is right up there too.:)

[Nostromos]

well I gots my "10 grams" of extract today in the mail and it looks like a fruit roll-up some kid forgot in his back jean pocket. About the same consistency, too. It's gooey, so i pulled off a small piece to dissolve in my mouth. It tastes about how I expected- like concentrated kratom. Extremely bitter, slightly metallic. As is usual with Kratom, I can't really tell if it's affecting me or not. It's been a while, though. I've been nibbling on the wad since I got home three hours ago, very little since I had other things to do.

Now i'm on the 'puter and I just consumed another piece of the tarry stuff about the size of 1/2 a corn flake, chasing with hot water. Need more hot water... i feel a mild buzz. pleasant, but not as dissociated from my emotions as i'd like. i have a dilaudid that i'll probably eat before friday sometime, and then i'm on my own again save for a pep-pill, which might come in handy on the weekend. i'm scared of kratom fucking up my liver.

[Saint]

well I gots my "10 grams" of extract today in the mail and it looks like a fruit roll-up some kid forgot in his back jean pocket. About the same consistency, too. It's gooey, so i pulled off a small piece to dissolve in my mouth. It tastes about how I expected- like concentrated kratom. Extremely bitter, slightly metallic. As is usual with Kratom, I can't really tell if it's affecting me or not. It's been a while, though. I've been nibbling on the wad since I got home three hours ago, very little since I had other things to do.

Now i'm on the 'puter and I just consumed another piece of the tarry stuff about the size of 1/2 a corn flake, chasing with hot water. Need more hot water... i feel a mild buzz. pleasant, but not as dissociated from my emotions as i'd like. i have a dilaudid that i'll probably eat before friday sometime, and then i'm on my own again save for a pep-pill, which might come in handy on the weekend. i'm scared of kratom fucking up my liver.

Does kratom fuck with your liver? Never heard of it.

[Thebane]

Does kratom fuck with your liver? Never heard of it.

Very scattered reports of it to my knowledge, none remotely proven. On kratom-forum its always people who are like "shit, my liver hurts after using kratom for 4 months, oh yeah I also took 4g of tylenol a day for 10 years on vicodin and my liver is near dead, but I'm sure it's the tiny amounts of kratom I've used recently." Never had a problem myself, or heard of anyone who seemed certain it was the kratom. And every first-hand report I've seen the person already had a completely fucked liver, but who knows. Although there was an old study (admittedly rather shady and not the most scientific) done on long-term kratom users in Thailand and it wasn't mentioned at all.

[xxkmanxx]

never tried Kratom but reading experiences make me want to try it.

[eurobeat22]

Currently, I like the SEThai(super enhanced thai). I actually used this stuff to get off my uei habit. When I first started uei, it was bliss, but afterwhile I was just in my nodding world where I was just like blaw and would just be in my own hypnotic world. afterwhile the uei actually made me feel depressed and lost interest, I had to taper down. it was difficult.

Then I switched to SEThai which is a thai strain and found it to be weaker then uei, but had a really unique stimulating effect. this time with a much lower tolerance and cheaper habit, I have more energy and more engaged in actitivites. My personality is more lively rather than dazed out and blaw like uei gave me..and I also use bali before bed. and thai for energy!

which leads me to this question, is there some additional alkoid in the thai strains that are responsible for the energizing and stimulating effects? like an oxindole or something?? thanks

[lespaulpower]

I would definitely say its PC/bali for me.. I don't even see that big of a difference between that and the 15X, but thats only my experience. And I might add that I exlusively use the POWDERED kratom.

[Porcupine]

My favorite Kratom is the "Bali" in the powdered form, from Z-electic. Honestly to the Kratom Farmer who is saying it's all the same thing: It may be, it may not, but in my personal experiance I've taken all different types and not all feel the same. I notice a big difference between Thai;Malaysian and Bali. Which is funny because the Thai and Malaysian are much more expensive but seem to be much much weaker to me.

[Hopeless]

Bali is good but too much also gives you the wobbly eyes/ dizziness. Moderation is key.

[sidman]

I never tried kratom but now that I have read and learned about it all through this post and all you opiophiles, I figure I better try it out before Big Brother makes it Illegal or something!

[Porcupine]

I never tried kratom but now that I have read and learned about it all through this post and all you opiophiles, I figure I better try it out before Big Brother makes it Illegal or something!

It's worth a shot. If you don't like it-you don't like it. No harm, no foul. I would prefer most other opiates over Kratom in a heart beat, but it's a nice substitute when you're out.

[gauchoamigo]

On reflection, having to make an infusion of 30x extract which cost a LOT and did next to nothing was a waste. I don't see what any fuss is about this stuff. I can't remember inthe few times I've had it, ever actually feeling anything remotely opiate-like.
I'll keep my money in my pocket for proper things from the proper plant, thanks.

[rockbottom]

dunno HOM :-)


whats wrong with me ?Kratum just doesn't seem to work fo me. and i've tried all the different brands and extracts too. oh well nobodys perfect ~Peace~ --Rock--:cool:

[ndoftaworld]

Dammit!! Now I gotta try it :) I think I'll try the Bali from phytoextractum.com good price for a small amount to start off with.

Nd

[Porcupine]

Dammit!! Now I gotta try it :) I think I'll try the Bali from phytoextractum.com good price for a small amount to start off with.

Nd

I wouldn't suggest the powder from phyto, it's pretty unrefined. However the course leaf(from phyto) has wielded some good results, but for your money it really isn't that great(all kratom). I think worked it out to like $5.00 a good dose (enough to get me buzzing).

[ndoftaworld]

What about the course thai? @ 5.99 it ain't too bad.
Nd
(http://www.phytoextractum.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=68)

[Porcupine]

What about the course thai? @ 5.99 it ain't too bad.
Nd
(http://www.phytoextractum.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=68)

I've never had Thai.

My favorite Kratom is Malaysian, and I might be wrong but I don't think phyto sells that. From what I hear Thai is more stimulating, which might be the choice for some(not me). Whereas Malaysian seems to be much much more sedating. Bali is a lot like Malaysian but weaker and with more side effects; dizziness, stomach problems, headache, dysphoria.

I would say give it a fucking shot. That's what I did, and I found my brand. For $5.99 plus shipping you can't go wrong, if you don't like it try another, or give up completly.

As for the extracts i've heard nothing but general dispproval. They're an arm and a leg and aren't reported to be much stronger. Haven't tried them myself, and I don't plan on it. It took me a while to find what worked and i'm very glad I did(comes in handy when you forget you took your last oxy yesterday) or when you want to feel the buzz of opies without taking more.

I think the problem most people have is either a) Heroin or 500mg/day oxy addicts are coming off and thinking Kratom is the solution based on some reports and then finding it utterly useless(which is not further from the truth) or b)People are trying 1-2 products and preparation methods and not having success, then they get frustrated and say how useless it is.

Malaysian Kratom works really well for me, but don't expect that you're going to get fucked up. Because you're not, and if you do it's going to be in a bad way. Just enjoy it for what it's worth- a nice mild buzz.

[duper]

Anyone else tried IAS's "Private Reserve" ?

[DreamSellerInc]

Bali is all i've ever tried. Wasn't so impressed. haven't indulged much though

[duper]

I'd really like to get another opinion on I Am Shaman's private reserve. It's the best I've ever had and the only thing I've been getting for the past 6 months or so. BTW, you can get an for IAS e-coupon and some other vendors on retailmenot.com ! :dollarsig

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

My favorite Kratom is the "Bali" in the powdered form, from Z-electic. Honestly to the Kratom Farmer who is saying it's all the same thing: It may be, it may not, but in my personal experiance I've taken all different types and not all feel the same. I notice a big difference between Thai;Malaysian and Bali. Which is funny because the Thai and Malaysian are much more expensive but seem to be much much weaker to me.

Dude I'm sorry but that kratom farmer is wrong. I and probably 90% of the people see a difference in Thai and Bali. They are definatley diff strains since they come from diff parts of the country. He can say they are the same all he wants but I will never agree with him.

[Porcupine]

Dude I'm sorry but that kratom farmer is wrong. I and probably 90% of the people see a difference in Thai and Bali. They are definatley diff strains since they come from diff parts of the country. He can say they are the same all he wants but I will never agree with him.

Essentially that's what I was saying without being too blunt. Since that post however I have a new favorite: Malaysian. Seems to have much less of the side effects I usually get; headache,head pressure, mild malaise hangover. I don't get any of that, or atleast much less. Seems like I get more Euphoria as well.

[dugwylor]

What about the resin? For example phytoextractum's $5.99/g resin that claims to be 17% M and 1-2% 7hM. I remember the first time I tried Kratom about 5 years back it was with this stuff, and I found I either was stimulated a bit -- do some gardening -- or just knocked to pieces, sedated so heavily I couldn't do a damn thing, with no opiate buzz whatsoever.

I definitely want to order some kratom, probably by tomorrow, but I'm still hesitant. I had great luck with z-eclectic's triple sifted leaf (6-7g using the quick microwave alcohol extraction method as described on erowid gave me a high comparable and in ways better than other more traditional opiates, though had a head tightness accompanying it and lasted only 3-4 hours). I'd like something that requires less material, though. Maybe the IAS private reserve is in order. Still looking for the best bang for the Kratom buck, while being digestible. The taste... I'm almost starting to like, with lemon.

So the extracts you guys are sure are bunk? I'd be damn surprised if something like Speciosa's 250x extract is only a little more potent than normal leaf. At the very least one would think it would be comparable in terms of cost to amount of euphoric yield.

[Thebane]

Bali is the only one I use anymore, cheaper and just as effective and if anything more sedating than stimulating, which is what I'm looking for. Kept trying to use extracts/tinctures to get a better high (in addition too bali and alone) and the shit never seemed to work. But then again at that point I never really got high on kratom. I'll have to try again in a couple weeks when hopefully my tolerance will be lower with 3 weeks of clean time.

[Dr Benway]

I like Bali. gives me a nice sleepy buzz. I tried quite a few, and now stick with something called 12x enhanced Bali. Fucked if If i know what it means other than being 12 times stronger I guess. Cheap too, £15 for 25 grams.
I just use a level teaspoon in a yoghurt and chill out and eventually sleep.
Tried the thai's , red vein and green vein, meang da, extracts and HAKL (high alkaloid content), they're ok but too expensive and too speedy. Meang da is £10 a dose (6gram).

Im going back to sleeppppppppppppppppppppp

[Papa Verine]

IMO, anyone with even a moderate tolerance to opiates is going to be disappointed in Kratom. When I had a low tolerance, where I could feel 30-40mg of Hydro, Kratom was worth buying. After that...forget about it.

Is there anyone here who regularly uses heroin, methadone, Oxy, Pods... who can get high from any Kratom product???

You guys who are discussing your Kratom "Highs"... what are your tolerances compared to other stronger opiates???

I'm not knocking Kratom, I enjoyed it when I had a low tolerance, and I think it's helpful for kicking. I just want to clarify the general potency of the stuff so people who aren't familiar with it don't start wasting their money on it.

To me it's in a class with codeine and Tramadol. Anyone disagree with this? Maybe I should try it again?

[LorTabitha]

I regularly use pods, plus my CP meds (& whatever else I come across!) and kratom is pleasant, but not a "high" or anything close to it. It just keeps me out of the worst part of withdrawals and/or gives me a little energy. Nothing to write home about, but it does the w/d trick.

[Ludakris]

Currently, I'm taking between 100-160mg of oxy a day for pain, with the aid of Kratom, only the extract enhanced kind (i.e. Enhanced Bali is my kratom of choice) I have gotten away with taking only 40mg of Oxy/day. There are times when my pain is so bad that no amount of Kratom will allow me to move, but it does help me from completely blowing through my Rx. And if I do blow through my Rx, I can at least get through without W/D's. Now, not everytime, but I'd say 60-70% of the time I can feel the Kratom.

I don't get a great high off of it, but I definitely can feel it, not just keeping me well, but actually giving me a little warmth, and a little mood lift plus some pain releif.

So in short, maintaining on about 100-160mg oxy a day, I can feel a slight high off of Enhanced Bali (or extract enhanced products) only.

[Narkotikon]

I voted other, just because I've only tried Kratom once and it was the extract and resein from Phytoextractum. I knew they were actually Kratom because they smelled and tasted like what other people have written about, and they did help potentiate my pod tea, but when I tried them by themselves when I was in w/d, they didn't do anything. I'm not sure if it was because of the fact that it was an extract / resein and not the whole leaf, or if I was in w/d and they just weren't strong enough to help. Also, I wasn't sure if I was taking it the right way. The extract was in a little brown bottle with and eye-dropper cap, and I just dropped some into a glass of water or soda and drank it. I tried smoking the resein, but that didn't go well, so I ended up making a tea with it, and that seemed to work better. I do remember how nasty the stuff tasted though, very bitter and sort of smelling like cut grass, but a little different. Anyway, how are you supposed to do Kratom? I've read it's best to get the whole leaf and either make a tea from it or put it between your gums like skoal / chewing tobacco. Is whole leaf better than extracts / reseins? I just got those because I thought more potent forms = more fun for me.

[dugwylor]

I ordered the enhanced Bali from Speciosa. I'd estimate it to be probably about 2x the potency of normal leaf. Tastes pretty decent (for kratom), has a good texture, and I can get to a nice place without too much. Still don't understand when people say they don't get anything out of kratom -- maybe I've just been getting the right stuff lately, mostly through Gateway's recommendations, but I've had some great times with it, and much more than just satisfying some physical cravings. Mostly I use it as a supplement and backup, and in that capacity it works well. But if I weren't able to latch on to anything else I don't think I'd be much perturbed to switch entirely to kratom... in any case it's pretty clear why it's outlawed in Thailand. Can't have people feeling good, after all.

The guy at Speciosa was also nice enough to send a sample of the 250x extract on request. I have to say that I prefer the enhanced Bali, though. The extract is of course very potent, in its effects but also in its taste. I'm not sure how to describe it, but the taste is something else -- a sour burning, but not of acid or alcohol. A tang or sharp bite, and then it's gone. Very strange stuff. I may write here again when I've given it more than a light sampling. As incense, I mean.

[whiterobot122]

okay, I've had amazing results with kratom in the past years. Now it seems like the legit vendors I use to get good potency stuff of off, are selling worthless kratom. Where can I find a good vendor?

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

okay, I've had amazing results with kratom in the past years. Now it seems like the legit vendors I use to get good potency stuff of off, are selling worthless kratom. Where can I find a good vendor?

Have you tried speciosa?? kratomdragon is also a good source.

Good luck!

[Thebane]

okay, I've had amazing results with kratom in the past years. Now it seems like the legit vendors I use to get good potency stuff of off, are selling worthless kratom. Where can I find a good vendor?

Most legit vendors buy from the same supplier. Could be a bad shipment/period for them, or just tolerance.

[prhighmalrage]

I prefer the 250x extract! Expensive I suppose, but worth it.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I prefer the 250x extract! Expensive I suppose, but worth it.
Really? I've always been curious about this extract. They say all you need is like the end of a knife's worth. Do you mix it with other leaf or take it on its own??

[bigfootlives]

Really? I've always been curious about this extract. They say all you need is like the end of a knife's worth. Do you mix it with other leaf or take it on its own??

Speciosa has an even stronger extract called the full spectrum Alkaloid tincture. It's pretty much the psychoactive alkaloids in kratom purified. Nothing better than this on the net.

On a separate note, my favorite type of kratom would probably be the Enhanced Maeng Da kratom.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I am currently taking 6-8 Norco a day and will be out soon. I was thinking about getting the Full spectrum shit. Do you think 4ml would last me 3-4 days?? Thanks

[MrCharlesIV]

Well I just got my order in about thirty minutes ago from Speciosa[sp?]... This is my second go-around with Kratom. My first experience was the Thai from the website that supports o'phile, this time I tried the Bali from my new constant vendor. My first experience was shitty - I ate all 25g of the stuff and not a damn thing happened. However I just downed a rather big spoonful of the Bali and it feels like a ate around ten tabs. Needless to say, I am very impressed with this.

So folks, don't knock it till ya try it... I was tempted to say fuck it after my first attempt and I'm very glad I didn't.

And by the way I have a decent tolerance of say 60-100mg of Oxy IV or two tenths for a good nod.


This shit is legal, too!


Sorry for my ranting, folks -- just happy I am finally getting to experience this.


-CharlesIV

P.S. I love how the suffix of my name is IV [the fourth]. Makes me laugh daily.
-----------Sorry, that was random. This Kratom is killer though!

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Well I just got my order in about thirty minutes ago from Speciosa[sp?]... This is my second go-around with Kratom. My first experience was the Thai from the website that supports o'phile, this time I tried the Bali from my new constant vendor. My first experience was shitty - I ate all 25g of the stuff and not a damn thing happened. However I just downed a rather big spoonful of the Bali and it feels like a ate around ten tabs. Needless to say, I am very impressed with this.

So folks, don't knock it till ya try it... I was tempted to say fuck it after my first attempt and I'm very glad I didn't.

And by the way I have a decent tolerance of say 60-100mg of Oxy IV or two tenths for a good nod.


This shit is legal, too!


Sorry for my ranting, folks -- just happy I am finally getting to experience this.


-CharlesIV

P.S. I love how the suffix of my name is IV [the fourth]. Makes me laugh daily.
-----------Sorry, that was random. This Kratom is killer though!

Sweet, I just ordered 50grams of the premium Bali leaf from Speciosa. Is that what you got? I have a code that will save you $10 btw.

That code is....................................Welcome
Enter this where it says redeem coupon code and it will take $10 off your order.

[lespaulpower]

My newest FAVORITE type of kratom; is NO KRATOM...

I used to LOVE it. But now just hearing the word makes me want to gag.

:vomit: :vomit:

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

My newest FAVORITE type of kratom; is NO KRATOM...

I used to LOVE it. But now just hearing the word makes me want to gag.

:vomit: :vomit:
Why is that???????

[jcmanny]

I'm going to have try some other types of Kratom because the caps I bought barely help me with wd and I sure do not feel high. I did about 10.5 grams today and I was still sweating and had some leg cramps. I did dose pretty heavy yesterday though as mothers day is a very hard day for me so I'm sure my tolerance is on the high side.

[Euphoricgirl]

I had the bali, worked great, now I just ordered the maeng from flagger and it works for a short period of time and then I get the damned awful headache. I prefer the energy, not the jitters.

[lespaulpower]

Why is that???????

I think I just gradually grew a distaste for it - probably in part due to sooo many bad experiences with it; for example...

Once I was detoxing SO bad from a 3 week fentanyl binge; finally got my kratom in the mail, and no matter how many teaspoons I washed down it wasnt making me feel that much better... Well, I took so much kratom that I had the worst case of the "wobbly eyes from hell" Ive ever had (dont you hate that?) And was vomiting for days....

But yeah, times like that.

[rosebud]

I had the bali, worked great, now I just ordered the maeng from flagger and it works for a short period of time and then I get the damned awful headache. I prefer the energy, not the jitters.

I just ordered enhanced bali from speciosa. Will be my first time-not at all sure how it will sit with me. I am mmmmm low to moderate tolerant. On a 25g fent patch every 2-3 days and that is it. Not taking anything for BTP at all anymore as I have been really trying to take the least amount of sheeez I can get away with for pain. Hoping K will just be for some simple fun!

[imalgen]

I voted 'other', as Malaysian is my favorite. The newer strain from "Sumatra" is also nice, much heavier and sedating/analgesic than any of the other strains i have tried(most). A blend of the Sumatra with some fo-ti and some Theobroma cacao 25x should make a great blend.

[majinbijiita]

I voted Bali as it's the one that got me extremely high (to the point of being sick.)

I actually had my recipe posted on erowid for these flour balls i made with kratom from kratom dragon. I was hoping to order some today from them, but their site is down.

Whose the next best, and what type of bali should i get? I've been out of the game for awile and I just found about 10 sites to choose from, so some help would be appreciated!!

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I voted Bali as it's the one that got me extremely high (to the point of being sick.)

I actually had my recipe posted on erowid for these flour balls i made with kratom from kratom dragon. I was hoping to order some today from them, but their site is down.

Whose the next best, and what type of bali should i get? I've been out of the game for awile and I just found about 10 sites to choose from, so some help would be appreciated!!
Flour balls... Sounds interesting. Care to share the link? Did this recipe achieve good results?? Thanks

[imalgen]

I voted Bali as it's the one that got me extremely high (to the point of being sick.)

I actually had my recipe posted on erowid for these flour balls i made with kratom from kratom dragon. I was hoping to order some today from them, but their site is down.

Whose the next best, and what type of bali should i get? I've been out of the game for awile and I just found about 10 sites to choose from, so some help would be appreciated!!

nomad is good. try some sumatra
or gaians prime malay or dark malay.
both botanicals. both excellent.

you should post your flour recipe ;) :)

[zketrouble]

For me to vote "thai" was somewhat biased I will confess...as its the only stuff I've had fresh from a tree. I've had 15x bali before but it didn't seem near as good as fresh red vein Thai kratom. However I took a hell of a lot more Thai than I did Bali. Chewed a good half ounce or so of fresh leaves while I waited impatiently for the water to heat up in a SLOW electric kettle. Had a mild/medium buzz going and then I steeped several ounces of this stuff down to two coffee cups. Tried to hold it down as long as I could (3-4min) then puked for another 3-4min, regretting having taken so much. The stomach trouble ceased, then I felt like my brain was having an orgasm. If I had used this process on fresh Bali kratom then I probably would have been equally intoxicated as with the Thai stuff.

[zketrouble]

And damn its nice being in Thailand...it may be one of the few places kratom isn't legal but hey its cheap and you dont have to wait weeks for your internet purchase to show up.

[Ludakris]

And damn its nice being in Thailand...it may be one of the few places kratom isn't legal but hey its cheap and you dont have to wait weeks for your internet purchase to show up.


IDK about waiting weeks for an internet purchase to show up...I generally can make an order and have it at my doorstep in less than 24hrs. :D But it no doubt is more expensive than it is there...

BUT, I have never even seen fresh leaf, let alone tried it...that I would love to do, so you do have that one on us, lol

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I've never tried it, actually first time ever hearing 'bout it (Igoogledit & read the wiki info. an it sounds interesting)
What's it like? Would love to try it cuz it said it has anti anxiety/depression benifit's wich I could use rite 'bout now!

[Curio]

anyone aware if there is more potency in freshly harvested raw leaf than what is usually sold?

[imalgen]

anyone aware if there is more potency in freshly harvested raw leaf than what is usually sold?


cactusplus out of florida offers FRESH leaves. They are quite different, i cant really explain. The bitter taste of fresh leaves is so fucking vile though its hard to choke down. Using the fresh leaf as you would arugula is quite nice though, little blue cheese dressing and BAM! I attempted to juice some as well, worked better than i had hoped ;)

I think actuall % potency varies greatly and not enough research has been specifically done on the matter to have a definite answer. Although i have heard that rainy season over there is the best time to purchase due to increase in goodies :) But who really knows until someone does a bonafied study.