Want to take a "VACATION" from subs, need advice

[lizzyborden]

In the ult. sub guide it says on 8mgs of subs it actually takes over a hundred hours to get the subs 1/2 life pretty much out of your system or at least out of you enough to feel your DOC. So if you were on 16 mgs. then I guess it would take approx. 8-10 days to get to the point of feeling one's DOC?
So here's my question #1.....Wouldn't you be completely in w/d by then and sick? And basically If you want to take a vacation, I guess it doesn't make sense unless you are on a low enough dose that you can make it the 3-4 days without?
Question#2... For those that are on 8mg. or less and wait the 48-96 hrs. untill you are able to use again, do you feel crappy during the waiting period, or are you still okay on day 3 or 4?
Question #3.... I'm not sure what it means in the sub guide where it says by going back and forth it raises tolerance. Tolerance for the subs when you get back on? Will you need even more to feel okay after you do an induction again, also, must you do an induction again after a "vacation" or can you just start back out on 8 in one dose? Or did this mean tolerance for DOC due to residual subs blocking?
Last Question....what if you jumped down from 16 to 8 in one day and stayed on that for 5 days would you still have the buildup of all the past weeks of 16???Could you then after taking 8 for a week or so be able to wait the 72-100 hrs or would you still need to wait much longer till you can feel DOC. Don't want to waste good drugs!!
Any suggestions and advice would be greatly appreciated!
Sick of Subs! it serves it's purpose and life is more managable but I want a break. This does seem to be a lot of bullshit to go through to get high but ya know how that goes......

[HistoryofMadness]

Any day you take another one builds the level up because of the long half-life. The best way (for me) to bring my levels down and then have a good vacation was to plan a little ahead... i start skipping days and halving my dose...

16, skip a day, 8, skip a day, 4, skip a day, etc... that's for a long break when i wanted my tolerance down.

OR you can just skip 2 days off of any dose and you should feel your vacation.

i'd recommend though bringing your dose down to 4mg a day. you won't feel any different once you adjust to the change, detoxing will be easier, your tolerance will be lower, and if you must, vacations are more accessible.

[Sitar]

It varies for different people. For me, I could feel a dose of an opiate just 24 to 36 hours after my last Sub dose. For others it may take 48 hours or more.

I feel like total shit if I wait longer than 26 hours to take my Sub dose, so skipping days isn't an option for me. It probably goes through my system faster with my quick metabolism, hence the lack of blocking action after just a day or so.

But anyway, I don't think it will take anywhere near 8 full days to be able to get high again; probably just a couple days. But yes, you could certainly be sick again even by that point.

Tolerance will go up if you go back and forth between opiates and Subs for both the opiate and the Subs. If you're stable on 4 mgs. of Sub and then use Oxy or whatever for a couple days, you'll probably need 8 mgs. of Sub when you go back on it, at least for a few days.

Just a question though. If you want to use and get high still, why are you on the Subs? Just to maintain between scores? Nothing wrong with that, I'm just curious.

[lizzyborden]

There are a few reasons I got on, and have decided to stay on subs for maintenance, for a little while.
It is, in my case free, as my insurance covers Rx and Dr. visit. Oxy's, dope, Fentanyl etc. were costing me so much it was killing me also, at some point I always wind up sick either cause I'm broke or can't cop. Also I am currently on parole. I have to give urine every month. so I always wind up having to pay for legal scripts to cover myself. This is the best for now. And my urine comes clean. I was on the Meth program before for 9 years. I don't want to stand at a window for my dose anymore. so for me it's the best scenario for a while but I would like to get nice every now and then ya know. This stuff just don't do that.
Thankyou for the info though it was helpful

[Opiyum]

If you were to wait 100 hours or more you would be sick (in a suboxone kinda way). Most likely you wouldnt be able to go that long without using and its then that you would find that you can afterall feel your DOC just fine. Waiting any longer than 36 hours would involve a lot of pain for good reason.
And if you take Hom's advice and ween down and skip days 24 hours or less will be perfectly fine.
Over the last year ive been going back and forth every month sometimes a few times each month and i never wait more than 24 hours but as it was also said...Everyone is different and there are alot of factors that go into the equation.