Bupe For Poppy Pod Addiction

[Truuper]

After 2 years of daily and even twice daily use of pods - tea to start and now just straight grounds in grapefruit juice - my good friend has checked himself in to a pricy Bupe program. He can't even picture life w/o pods anymore. Maintenance looks like more of an option to him than even a long detox.

He has been through withdrawal before and the physical symptoms were nothing compared to the mental ones. My friends says his anxiety was so bad that "achieving equilibrium" was seriously considered as a viable option to make it stop.

He is looking for anyone elese to talk to about this cause most people go to the bupe doc w/ pharm and H habits. This clinic has only ever treated one other pod user.

Anyway, a CERTAIN OTHER FORUM has members that are in this situation that he could talk to but, unforunately, he has been trying to register w/ that forum for months and keeps being told that the board is not accepting new registrants at the moment. He has sent numerous email to the moderator w/ no response.

He has been to other addiction forums but doesn't like letting the "cat out of the bag" about pods among other people that are trying to get clean. He already made that mistake and now has people hounding him to know more about pods. He's trying to keep the recreational properties of pods from getting much attention but, OTOH, wants someone to talk to.

So, if there is anyone here that is or has been in Bupe treatment/maintenance for pods please let my friend or me know on this thread.

Moose aka Truuper
"I am good friends with myself"

[bi11i]

I'm on bup for this very thing - however anyone on bup will tell you - the experience is the same, regardless of what drug you're coming from. send your friend on over - opiophile is always accepting new registrations. there are numerous members here who have been or are in the very position your friend is in...

[Truuper]

Like I say:I am good friends with myself.

The other forum is not this one. It's the Somni Forum at
http://opium.poppies.org/

One problem is that the half-life of pods is similar to Bupe. It's gonna be difficult to time the doctors visit. So - to make it easy let's just pretend that my friend is me - I can go a day just feeling intolerably miserable before I even get to the bowels of hell. If I come in feeling too good I risk the doc thinking I'm not in very bad shape. One of the guys I talked to at the clinic - a business guy not a medical guy - actually chuckled when I said what my drug of choice was. Seemed he was skeptical of my problem in the first place.

To compoud the issue I'm a little skeptical. I don't know where I'm really at myself. I've (I mean my friend) has gone w/o no longer than 24 hours since Feb. Potency varies wildly and I don't really get high anymore. I don't know If my friend has lousy pods or an enormous tolerance. Hens and Chicks from one place, tazzies from another, etc... The only thing that seems to really work is like 16 tbsp of Gigan. powder.

I think I - I mean my friend - has a serious problem but he's not 100% sure. His bro gave him 4 Norco 10s one night (yes, I swear opi-love is in the genes) and it did little more than keep him up. (And that was on top of what ever was in his blood from the poods) Would that cause an intolerant person to catch a pretty good one? (This is the one I really want to know an answer to).

Also, It seems pods are very similar to bupe in many ways that other opis aren't. If I (he) can't get off pods than how would he ever get off bupe? Pobably not too easy if ever.

And I (he) haven't even broached the mental health issues underneath all this. Maybe he has a split personality. ;~)

Many Thanks, Moose
"I am good friends with myself"

[bi11i]

Seemed he was skeptical of my problem in the first place. i got A LOT of this. In fact, I had an entire staff come down on me, telling me it just wasn't possible. I say, drink this tea for 6 months and get back to me.

You know, it seems like there's two schools here, one which is able to switch easily to bup, and another which has to wait until in the bowels of withdrawal before switching in order to avoid the big clash. Personally, I drank my last dose of tea in the AM of the day prior (and only about 1/2 dose), sniffled my way to sleep on the first night and woke up sick enough the next day to switch with almost zero pain. There's a certain amount of anxiety that comes with the switch, but it also feels great to get all that dope out of your body.

Regardless of where you're tolerance is at, I think as long as you're willing to go as far as waking up a little dope sick (which is probably happening more often than not with your current tolerance anyway, yes?) then you're halfway to making the switch.

I've managed to wean myself down as far as .2mg's of bup a day and kept myself pretty healthy - I've also been as far up as 40mg's a day. Price aside, it's well worth it. The quality of my life is ten times of that which it was before I made the switch.

Keep us posted on how it goes.

[1badrabbit]

For myself I have to wait 18-24 hours before making the switch or I end up with the worst withdrawals I have ever experienced in my life. My gf can do the switch at about 14 hours and be ok. I wasn't able to ever feel completely normal on any dose of bupe really. It was odd I felt the same on 40mg a day as apposed to 2mg or less per day.

[Truuper]

Pod potency varies wildly. Say I've been taking 6 well measured units of certain homogenous batch for a couple weeks. 6 is a number I would generally consider a big lot. Last night my friend - not myself - another person - takes 3 units. He has zero tolerance. Nothing happens to him. Nada. Zip. In other words, I was thinking my tolerance was so high I had to take massive amounts to even get normal. Come to find out the batch is pretty low in "desired" alkaloids.

Most people trying to get clean would think that was good.

I go see the Sub doctor pretty soon. Now I'm afraid if I'm not sniffling, diahreeaing, dilating, or bone aching enough he's gonna send me packing. But still I cant go a day w/o using and I haven't for almost 2 years - except for a few trips (2 of which I experienced severe w/d on). And been using pods regularly for 3 and before that seeds and all my life beg, borrow, steal every opi I can get my hands on and have 2 other fam members that have or have had opi "issues" and I just don't wanna get sent packing. I know I wouldn't make it one day.

Sorry for all this - I just worry a lot and, like my wife says, I plan for disaster. Heck, I'm usually pleasantly suprised.

And I'd rather have a sub habit than eating all this who knows what's
in this stuff.

Moose

[bi11i]

I go see the Sub doctor pretty soon. Now I'm afraid if I'm not sniffling, diahreeaing, dilating, or bone aching enough he's gonna send me packing.i'm sure your doc would be totally fine if you didn't bring in the shits with you.:uhhohh:

seriously, if you time it right, and make your appt in the AM, you'll be able to minimize your discomfort to only a couple of hours. And I'm sure as many here can assure you, you don't want to chance going in not sick enough - imaging being in full blow dt's, but without any way to climb out of them.

Sorry for all this - I just worry a lot and, like my wife says, I plan for disaster. Heck, I'm usually pleasantly suprised.
Hey, NP - welcome to the club. Every Junky plans for the worst, unless it's dosing time.

[Truuper]

Guess my friend willl have to make sure to get his blood levels up in the next week. That'll take wheelbarrows of what he's got now. Imagine being hung out to dry 1000 miles from home. I'm sure there's people here that have experienced that. He might want to consider bringing some Kratom along for an emegency.

Moose