Further purification of pod putty?

[Schwip]

Im curious if it is possible or even worthwhile to further clean up a water extract of dry poppy pod?

SWIM has a fairly potent putty, where about 3 grams of the blackish tar will get one pretty euphoric and high.

Thinking, why not further clean this stuff up.

Im going to go search around for solubility data on morphine and codeine, but in the mean time figured id post here.

So, any input on this subject?

[jacky]

I dont see any real reason to clean something like that up unless you are interested in quantifying alkaloid content, or purifying for injection.

you also will seperate the M and C from the other alkaloids, and those other alkaloids may play a part in the different effects that pod and seed tea can have on a person.

a creationist might say that the opium poppy was created for a reason, and that the various active opiates, and opiate antagonists, and the various other bioactive alkaloids serve a purpose that modern man might take for granted and not recognize. seperate the products, and research the various components, keep what we deem profitable or useful, and send the rest down the drain.

clean up that opium product, and you may lose something, at least you might loose a portion of the desired alkaloids, depending on your skill as a chemist. but maybe there is something more there that we are not aware of. maybe observation/work of chemists has less to do with the end products synergy with the body/mind and more to do with other peoples billfolds and patent rights.

instead of purification I myself would seek to ADD different materials to the putty, maybe some saffron, and other possible potentiators.
but then I lack the drive and skill to seperate alkaloids anyway, I think the main reason to seperate is for injection, standardization, for smuggling purposes, and of course conversion to other more potent compounds.

I wouldnt be opposed to knowing the general content of various batches of pods, that is one good reason for extracting a portion of M and C from the pods, but other than that I wouldnt find much benefit in the end product as I would most likely blow through the isolates and be tempted to the needle.

[HistoryofMadness]

damn jacky that's the first time i've heard someone else say that... i also think there's a 'life force' for lack of better term, that exists within the whole of an organic plant or animal that is the sum of all parts...

i think we receive life and energy from these things, which is why i eat a lot of whole fruits and veggies and natural herbs and plants...

i like the isolated stuff and synthesized stuff too but it doesn't seem to have the same feel... i also think its a naturalist philosophy that doesn't have to be creationist or christian at all (but i see that wasn't your main point)...

as for the original topic, you can probaly see that I think you should leave it as a natural compound and enjoy!

[slugbone]

i agree with you guys, the fundamental "interconnectedness" that drives all life. there is a reason the poppy is what it is, and should not be tampered with.

damn i'm soundin like a hippie there.

[jacky]

there is a study that was done a few years ago, maybe 10-15....the study compared the amount of time it took different addicts to get through withdrawl.

they studied heroin, codeine, I think morphine, and opium.

it took the opium addicts longer to withdrawl from the drug.

I dont know what that proves, but to me it might suggest that what I want to be taking is the opium, that is, if I want a good addictive potent regimine of opiate use.

I think alot of people like IV using because of poor bioavialability of oral opiate intake. looking back over my past using career, I think I am far better to meter my opiates the oral route, I handle them better, they seem to last longer.
but then I am a maintenance junky now....I liked the rush of shooting heroin, and waking up with your freinds all wild eyed draggin you around by your feet trying to get you aware, but those days have limited potential, and are best enjoyed and then improved upon.
now I like the support that opiate give me in my life. I find a lower dose impacts my sleep and sex life less, and so I seem to move to a really low dose regimine compared to some people.
some junkies use for different reasons. some people do the stuff and dont really seem to enjoy it, always bitching and crying about something. they are the wonded man junkies.
I am still an addict, but it is more of a hinderance to travel life than anything. and I dont travel much....

anyway, this longwinded boring shit is just to display an attitude that I might have against generally extracting and purifying alkaloids personally.

for the person that might buy a bunch of poppy pods, homogenize the product, and extract say 10% of the material to study the alkaloid content, I would say go for it, just realize the legal risks that you take beyond the ones you have already risked.
that person could then fairly confidently assume the amounts of opiate they are consuming, and have a good idea of what to expect from any supplemented pharmaceuticals etc.
but I also know that this type of knowledge is really secondary to just consuming the product anyway,and working "from the gut".

it would be a novelty project for sure. and I would be interested to see a general yeild approximate on different pod sources.

with these pods legally I think I would go the route of describing my addiction, and saying that I took the path of least resistance towards managing a habit and trying to stay out of trouble....but if I had a small extraction labratory sitting around, and worked to purify and compound the controlled substances that I was ordering to my house I would probably be laughed out of court.

I think if someone was wanting to potentiate the activity of just regular pod tea, they might carefully think about enema processes rather than extraction and injection......not saying that your interest is only of extraction and injection, but that route is famously regarded as a very potent place to administer drugs.

a 100 grams of san pedro outer skin solution in my rectum was more than I could handle,....I imagine that a good dose of pod tea might be pretty damn strong taken in the rear.