advice with my meds, preparing for withdrawls

[AWOL]

This is a thread that I started for Skarlett44 cause she was having difficulty starting a new thread. She will post her situation below this post.

She had posted this previously "how can I make my w/d a little better ? I have a few hydros left, some poppy seeds, and 1/4 of a medicine bottle of kratom. any suggestions?" I'm sure she will elaborate more on that. Post as much info as you can Skarlett, are you in w/d right now? how far along? what is your daily intake? how many hydros do you have left? etc.

[youwonhundred]

OK, finally, something I can toss in my $.02 on. I'm coming off of percs and morph at the moment (just till tuesday, but it sucks NOW) and I managed to just barely maintain on some hydro 7.5's. It kept the shits and the nausea down, anyway. I found what works for me is to wait as long as possible, and then take just enough to make it tolerable. Having never used kratom, I cant say how much to take (it varies in strenght anyway, right?) but unless you wanna be right back where you started, just use what you have to keep the edge off. Withdrawal is never fun, but (and this is where I have the most problems) with a little self control, it ain't THAT bad. The only time I was bothered is when I had chest pains at 4am. It passed, but don't think I didnt almost go to the ER and raise hell.

So, in summation, take just enough to make it tolerable, and keep blankets and something to puke in handy. You will live, you just won't like it worth a fuck.

*bows*

[slugbone]

try to sleep as much as possible. i take sominex, drink nyquil, tylenol pm's etc...if you can sleep for the first two days or so it helps. then when you can't stand it anymore just like youonehund says take one of your hydros - just enough to keep from getting the head creeps/leg crawlies

[AWOL]

I have found a couple of threads that should help you out Skarlett :rolleyes:

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=3145
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=754

Here's a good one too that Nick told me about.

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?p=51328#post51328

Oxycontinuously had a great tapper schedule that I used to have saved, but I've lost it and can't find it again.

[greenfox]

OK here's what I do:

1) Find a comfortble couch. NOT a bed... keep your head up... serious on this one
2) Find good TV (pref. movies dvds u like)
3) DXM in SMALL amounts WITH...
4) Vailum (helps u sleep)
5) WEED - lots of it
6) Amitrypalyne if you can get it
7) Ween slowly
8) LSD or XTC therapy works IF you have weed to come down with
9) a combo of some or all of these
10) SLEEP then... on day 3 or 4
11) EXCERSIZE
12) a) fruit LOTS OF IT
12 b) LIQUIDS lots of em
12) c) popsicles for the taste
12) d) something for constipation

I know it's hard to get all of these, but even some will help better than nothing.

[AWOL]

Starting to wonder if Skarlett44 is going to join in on her own thread here anytime soon .....

[RoadHead]

Starting to wonder if Skarlett44 is going to join in on her own thread here anytime soon .....

i think you either scared her off dv or else she is already going thru wd's

come on in skarlett, the water's fine. :D

the info is pretty damn good too

[AWOL]

She'd like to ask this question too.

you guys are the best. I turn to this website everytimeI am in need of help. I have told several of my pill popping friends about this site and they love it. I feel like I am alone until I come here. One more question because you seem so knowledgable, I know hydros mess with the dopamine in t=your brain, so which antidepressant would be the best to help while I am detoxing?I am on 150mg of zoloft right now but I have read about cymbalta and efffexor. They gave me cymbalta after I had meningitis but I don't remember it really doing anything.thanks again, I am going to my post you started

To which I say, if it's dopamine you're concerned about try welbutrin. It focuses on dopamine. But be aware that anti-depressants are like soda-pop, you just kinda gotta pick which one you like best.

[scarlett44]

Ha11Yes I am here but I can't type when hubbie is around. He already thinks I am having an affair cuz I am so secretly about being online and ordering my meds and delivery so on. I don't know what half of that stuff is that greenfox posted, what is amytrypaline? I just have to quit this time. I was taking up to 20-25 a day and I have to stop spending so much money on them, I am having to juggle bills and my husband wants to know where all the money is. I have about 6 10/500 but one of my girlfriends (we share or split pills all the time) is bringing me 10, she said she would give me 20 or 30 if needed but I told her no, just 10. I have prescribed to me and here at the house with me ritalin, concerta, tons of zanax, valium(diazpan) a little kratom and nose spray of stadol. I have to be able to function and the stadol makes me so sleepy. I have a 7 month old and 6 year old. I do not want to be throwing up!!I hate that. I am on 150 mg zoloft but is that the best?I have cymbalta and prozac but haven't taken them in a while. Thanks so much for all your responses. The hard part will be not filling all the refills I have left. I think if I can ever get it out of my system I would be ok. even if I could only take 2or 3 a day but I have no will power!!

[AWOL]

20-25 a day ?? Please tell me you were doing a cold water extraction on them? You had to have been, because I don't know anyone who could take 12,500mg's of apap

If all you have is like 15, and you were taking 25 a day, you're in for a rough ride. I'm sorry to inform you, but there will be vomiting and shitting involved. If you had a few hundred you could work out a taper schedule, but honest to god best answer if you've only got 15 is enjoy your last dose of hydro and fasten your seatbelt. The ride's going to get bumpy. (In terms of withdrawl it won't be THAT bad ... but it's sure going to seem like it.)

[nick]

you're not the only one in this situation on this site.It's good you're trying to kick,but if you can't tell hiim-he might suprise you.

[scarlett44]

I was taking thatmany a day. Why is that so horrible? cuz of the tylenol in it. I am down to about 9 a day. I have only had six today. What about the other thngs I have? Which one will help? I can deal with anything but the depression. That is the worst part. Hydros give me such a happy feeling, how many days approximately will it take for me to get over that hopeless feeling?And why do people puke when they w/d

[nick]

Oh dear..............

[AWOL]

:confused: I don't know what to say. I'm going to focus on your 25 pill a day habbit though, there is just no way you could take 25 * 500 = 12,500mg's a day of acetaminophen. That just isn't possible. Do it once, and you'd be in the hospital with tubes likely out your neck.

[slugbone]

:confused: I don't know what to say. I'm going to focus on your 25 pill a day habbit though, there is just no way you could take 25 * 500 = 12,500mg's a day of acetaminophen. That just isn't possible. Do it once, and you'd be in the hospital with tubes likely out your neck.

yeah, 4000mg of aceto is the max recommened, and you are way above that, liver toxicty would happen very quickly, i can't see how you could do that much and be alive

[scarlett44]

maybe I am saying it wrong, on the bottle it said 10/500 of lortab and it told me to take 4 a day

[AWOL]

maybe I am saying it wrong, on the bottle it said 10/500 of lortab and it told me to take 4 a day
:confused:
I just have to quit this time. I was taking up to 20-25 a day ........

I have about 6 10/500 but one of my girlfriends (we share or split pills all the time) is bringing me 10, she said she would give me 20 or 30 if needed but I told her no, just 10. .........

I would be ok. even if I could only take 2or 3 a day but I have no will power!!

:confused:

I was taking thatmany a day. Why is that so horrible? cuz of the tylenol in it. I am down to about 9 a day. I have only had six today.
:confused:



Sorry, but at this point there is no way you're going to convince me of your story. Guess I've learned not to make threads for ppl and be helpfull ..... :rolleyes:

[greenfox]

:confused:


:confused:


:confused:



Sorry, but at this point there is no way you're going to convince me of your story. Guess I've learned not to make threads for ppl and be helpfull ..... :rolleyes:


wow if only i could count the number of times I've been thru WD... yeah it sucks.. sometimes you just gotta deal. That's a harsh thingy to say I know but still.. is there a person here who HASN'T BEEN THRU it? Just curious. :P

[AWOL]

wow if only i could count the number of times I've been thru WD... yeah it sucks.. sometimes you just gotta deal. That's a harsh thingy to say I know but still.. is there a person here who HASN'T BEEN THRU it? Just curious. :P

I agree, w/d is part of the ride. You play, you pay, and all that crap. No two ways around it.

[ProdigalSon]

:confused: I don't know what to say. I'm going to focus on your 25 pill a day habbit though, there is just no way you could take 25 * 500 = 12,500mg's a day of acetaminophen. That just isn't possible. Do it once, and you'd be in the hospital with tubes likely out your neck.

Done it

[AWOL]

Done it Daily ;)


I'm assuming you wound up in ICU though, no? That's some serrious shit.

[Nile_dancer]

You could get a Cranial Electrical Stimulator. I use one for depression, and it does help... makes me feel calm, especially when I'm feeling acutely shitty.

Apparently, it seems to potentiate opiates and opiods, and has also been used for alleviating withdrawal symptoms. The technique gained the most exposure when Keith Richards used it successfuly to get clean. Cranial Electrical Stimultion (CES) has been around for years; in Russia, it's know as "Electro-Sleep"; not that it necessarly put you to sleep, but it does tend to relax one very well.

Here are some abstracts for those of you who like being abstract:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m


Not too expensive either...
Check em out at SOTA INSTRUMENTS: http://www.sotainstruments.com/products_bio_tuner.asp

[milkybarkid]

Daily ;)


I'm assuming you wound up in ICU though, no? That's some serrious shit.



Did you?


MBK

p.s. everyone going through wd... good luck and be strong

[scarlett44]

sorry, ive been gone. dvdv1313 (is that right) what are you saying u don't believe? I know I am not the only one who has ever taken that much. I would take like 3 (blue oblong watson) around 4:30am thats when I get up with baby, then maybe an hour later I might take another one. then around 7 or 8 take 2 more then around 10 maybe take one and so on, thats how the day wouldgo until around11 because thats the babys last bottle. It's not like I am even blitzed out of my mind either. It is just that wonderful happy feeling. There isn't anyone else on this board who has been so hooked on it that took a bunch like that? I did good yesterday I only took 6. Whats hardest is knowing I can pick up the phone and call and get more. I am not doing this time though. I told my friend don't give me but just enough to help w/d, no matter what I say. I have 4 to last me today. How bad will it be? I was thinking of just sleeping all day. They give me such energy, why do they have to be so bad for you?

[nick]

sorry, ive been gone. dvdv1313 (is that right) what are you saying u don't believe? I know I am not the only one who has ever taken that much. I would take like 3 (blue oblong watson) around 4:30am thats when I get up with baby, then maybe an hour later I might take another one. then around 7 or 8 take 2 more then around 10 maybe take one and so on, thats how the day wouldgo until around11 because thats the babys last bottle. It's not like I am even blitzed out of my mind either. It is just that wonderful happy feeling. There isn't anyone else on this board who has been so hooked on it that took a bunch like that? I did good yesterday I only took 6. Whats hardest is knowing I can pick up the phone and call and get more. I am not doing this time though. I told my friend don't give me but just enough to help w/d, no matter what I say. I have 4 to last me today. How bad will it be? I was thinking of just sleeping all day. They give me such energy, why do they have to be so bad for you?

It's all part of the cosmic joke-which is always on us.That god is a very naughty deity!

Keep tapering off and Much good luck.

[Euphoricgirl]

Ha11Yes I am here but I can't type when hubbie is around. He already thinks I am having an affair cuz I am so secretly about being online and ordering my meds and delivery so on. I don't know what half of that stuff is that greenfox posted, what is amytrypaline? I just have to quit this time. I was taking up to 20-25 a day and I have to stop spending so much money on them, I am having to juggle bills and my husband wants to know where all the money is. I have about 6 10/500 but one of my girlfriends (we share or split pills all the time) is bringing me 10, she said she would give me 20 or 30 if needed but I told her no, just 10. I have prescribed to me and here at the house with me ritalin, concerta, tons of zanax, valium(diazpan) a little kratom and nose spray of stadol. I have to be able to function and the stadol makes me so sleepy. I have a 7 month old and 6 year old. I do not want to be throwing up!!I hate that. I am on 150 mg zoloft but is that the best?I have cymbalta and prozac but haven't taken them in a while. Thanks so much for all your responses. The hard part will be not filling all the refills I have left. I think if I can ever get it out of my system I would be ok. even if I could only take 2or 3 a day but I have no will power!!


Hey Scarlett. Well if you makes you feel any better I think half the board is going through it right now, and the other half will be soon. :D (Really I am not kidding), and to think I was the Pharmacy queen in my house, jeez sounds like you have me beat. The kratom, valium and bed will help. I do agree with DV on the point of how the heck could you take 25 a day? or did you type that wrong???
I am also at home with children (much older though) and my hubby does not no either so if you need any advice on how to be sneaky, for I suck at it, ask DV!!!!! (are you hearing that DV)hehehehe.
Either you want to quit or you don't. See me, I don't, so I would be running to the pharmacy and filling those babies, your not going to waste those poor precious things are you...??? ;) Sorry, being sarcastic, not at you, everyone else knows why. Really I wish you all the luck and welcome to the board. If you need to talk just pm or email me. GOODLUCK and hold on.... What a B**** it going to be though with a 7 month old.

[freedomclub]

I used to take that much for years skarlett and tho I was worried for my liver I seemed to make it out ok because they tested me to get on to methadone and my liver was functioning fine. Shit my dealer used to take 40 of those blue watsons daily for months and months.

[scarlett44]

I guess w/d are hitting becaue I cant quit crying. I cant do this. What about the suboxone? Does it show up in a drug test? We are drug tested at work all the time. How can I find a doc who will see me today for the sub? I dont want to keep doing the hydros but I cant take this depression.help!!

[Euphoricgirl]

:confused:Sorry, but at this point there is no way you're going to convince me of your story. Guess I've learned not to make threads for ppl and be helpfull ..... :rolleyes:

Go easy on her DV...:p He really does mean well Scarlett, once you get to know him you will love em. Egirl squeezes DV.

[scarlett44]

at this point what should I take to calm down and stop crying? I took 1 hydro at 6

[Euphoricgirl]

I guess w/d are hitting becaue I cant quit crying. I cant do this. What about the suboxone? Does it show up in a drug test? We are drug tested at work all the time. How can I find a doc who will see me today for the sub? I dont want to keep doing the hydros but I cant take this depression.help!!

I feel so bad for you. Everything shows on a drug test these days. Have you read the thread about the minuteman? Thats always an option. It will take a while to get those drugs out of your system or not to show up on a drug test. Is this the first time you have quit Scarlett??? Hugs

[nick]

I guess w/d are hitting becaue I cant quit crying. I cant do this. What about the suboxone? Does it show up in a drug test? We are drug tested at work all the time. How can I find a doc who will see me today for the sub? I dont want to keep doing the hydros but I cant take this depression.help!!

YOU CAN DO IT.IT WILL ONLY LAST 72 HOURS THEN I PROMISE YOU'LL START TO FEEL BETTER.HANG TOUGH.

[Euphoricgirl]

YOU CAN DO IT.IT WILL ONLY LAST 72 HOURS THEN I PROMISE YOU'LL START TO FEEL BETTER.HANG TOUGH.

Nick is very wise...Never lies, so what he says goes.;) Squeezes nick.

[scarlett44]

what is the minuteman? I took half of a zanax, i can deal with any w/d but the feeling of doom. I hate depending on them so much, so I have made my mind up this has to be it but isn't there an easier way? what will I feel like in 72 hours/ That seems like forever

[scarlett44]

i have to calm donw and take my child to school. WHat a shitty mother, I let him sleep in cuz I was too lazy to get up and take him. I have to calm down because he goes to a private school and everyone knows everyone and I am afraid they will know I have been hysterically crying when I walk in. Thank god he is only 6, I told him I have the flu and an eye infection!ha

[Euphoricgirl]

i have to calm donw and take my child to school. WHat a shitty mother, I let him sleep in cuz I was too lazy to get up and take him. I have to calm down because he goes to a private school and everyone knows everyone and I am afraid they will know I have been hysterically crying when I walk in. Thank god he is only 6, I told him I have the flu and an eye infection!ha

Breath deep girl. Check your email and pms.

[earthenone]

Yes, that darn flu seems to be an eternal thing around here, summer winter spring fall, the flu is always here, really tho my heart goes out to ya, i just went 5 days cold turkey after a 3 yr bender, but that all ends today, my advice if u dont want to go thru this is go get your refills u talked bout and do a slow taper, i know how u r feelin right now and it sucks, but even a small amount of opiates would turn it off like a switch. good luck

[scarlett44]

thanks. This website is my lifeline right now. I am trying to do a small taper. i cant have another one till 12. I feel like if I go get more, I have failed . I guess I am so upset because i feel so good on them and full of energy and life and I am really scared I wont feel like that off of them. If I can KNOW I will feel ok again, or happy, I think I can do it. But I am really scared I will be depressed and sad all the time. Please tell me I will fill ok again?I amthinking about going to eat the bottle of poppy seeds. What will that do? I only took half of a zanax because a 1/4 knocks me out but I dont feel like a half has done shit. How can I have such a high tolerance to hydros and low to zanax?

[Euphoricgirl]

thanks. This website is my lifeline right now. I am trying to do a small taper. i cant have another one till 12. I feel like if I go get more, I have failed . I guess I am so upset because i feel so good on them and full of energy and life and I am really scared I wont feel like that off of them. If I can KNOW I will feel ok again, or happy, I think I can do it. But I am really scared I will be depressed and sad all the time. Please tell me I will fill ok again?I amthinking about going to eat the bottle of poppy seeds. What will that do? I only took half of a zanax because a 1/4 knocks me out but I dont feel like a half has done shit. How can I have such a high tolerance to hydros and low to zanax?

First minuteman is a fake urine. Second, this website is a lifeline, it has been for me. Doing a taper is good idea but you have to be strong. Believe me it is hard, just don't watch the clock. I know exactly how you feel with the opies, full of energy, happy, love to clean, etc....You will live, once you get past the withdrawals, it is the mental aspect that you will have to deal with but just think of your children and you can do it, Keep your self occupied, don't just sit on this site all day (LIKE ME!!), ...:D...You feel ok again, it will just take time. DO NOT EAT the whole bottle of poppy seeds!! First, there is a way of making the poppy seed tea (look up on the search engine on this you will find alot), and second withdrawals from poppys are worse! Zanax is in a different class than opies Scarlett, so there will be different effects and tolerances. Have you ever tried any herbal stuff??? I find that Damiana and Bacopa helps me through alittle. And of course kratom, but that also has withdrawals, so you are trading in one for another. OK, listen to me go on and on and on...... PM me. Hugs.

[scarlett44]

is anyone there?Does everyone else have the crying fits when they w/d? My feet feel like lead. i still cant find the poppy tea recipe. Why do i fell sooo bad when I at least took one this morning? Should I take the other one now?

[youwonhundred]

Just one more day.. I know I can make it, dammit. Is it addict behavior to begin counting hours till I go to the doc? Thats a stupid question, I know it is. 28:12 till my appointment. To be perfectly honest, though, if my Spanish were a bit better, considering where I live, I could probably find some real dope to last tilll then, but it has currently been so long since I had any smack... Fuckit, like I said before, withdrawal won't kill you, it just sucks donkey balls.

I actually have read most of the rest of the posts in this thread, and theres a lot of good advice, I'm just pissing and moaning too. I keep asking myself if I would allow myself to get so thoroughly dependent if it wasn't for the pain. The only answer I can come up with is, probably.

Scarlett, since you have kids, responsibilities, etc, the option that I would suggest, considering you have xanax available, isnt really an option for you, but once your taper runs out, if you absolutely have to, knock yourself out with xanax. I don't know about everyone else, but that whole unable to sleep. nasty leg crawlies thing is the absolute worst. Annie said I was twitching all night long. She still doesn't realize that if she didn't take half the goddamn script, I wouldn't be sick.

OK, enough pissing and moaning, and back to good advice. Since you have some things to control the symptoms, use them to fullest advantage, but allow yourself to still feel the withdrawal to some extent, or you're just postponing the inevitable. Also, I don't know about the rest of the world, but music is almost like a drug to me, and it does take the edge off.

Right, I'ma shut up now. Take the advice (in between my own bitching) for what its worth, and know you ain't the only one dopesick at the moment..

[nick]

is anyone there?Does everyone else have the crying fits when they w/d? My feet feel like lead. i still cant find the poppy tea recipe. Why do i fell sooo bad when I at least took one this morning? Should I take the other one now?

No,I didn't have crying fits it this point,I was too busy hitting my head on the wall.I was giving up a 20 year H habit-SO,AS I SAY IF I CAN DO IT,YOU CAN.




IT AIN'T EASY,BUT WHAT IN LIFE IS-APART FROM MCDONALDS

KEEP GOING AND A BAD MOTHER WOULDN'T TRY AND STOP.

[OxyContinuously]

good point Nick, good point. I'm w/ that--not to minimize WD in any way, cuz it sucks, sliced up or diced, BUT it *does* get a helluva lot better once u got the good ol 72nd hr under your belt, so to speak.
(if it makes u feel any better, scarlett, this morn at 8 was hr 96 for me---> hang in there)



Oxy

[slugbone]

No,I didn't have crying fits it this point,I was too busy hitting my head on the wall.I was giving up a 20 year H habit-SO,AS I SAY IF I CAN DO IT,YOU CAN.


IT AIN'T EASY,BUT WHAT IN LIFE IS-APART FROM MCDONALDS

KEEP GOING AND A BAD MOTHER WOULDN'T TRY AND STOP.

i agree with nick, scarlett. you just have to want to quit bad enough. i know it's easy to say "just quit".

is your family worth it?

[HistoryofMadness]

i agree with nick, scarlett. you just have to want to quit bad enough. i know it's easy to say "just quit".

is your family worth it?

well its not exactly that simple. of course the shit is worth it, but when in the throws of WD, everything is distant in value except not feeling like you wanna die...

BUT it is not just possible, but plenty do-able, its just a matter of time. scarlett every passing minute (even though they seem like hours) is one less miserable than the last once you get to where you are... just because its gone.

you can do it!

[scarlett44]

you guys are the best. I took a whole zanax and I have been asleep until just now. But, the baby just got home. If I could just taper better, i think I would be ok. I have never had my mind made up until now. I have beenthinking about it, but its like I just decided it was time. I don't want to do this anymore, but I do have to be able to function. I have two adoptions this week that I have to be in fort worth for(thats what i do but I work from home) When I am away from home, i dont think about the pills near as much. When i am home, i eat them like candy. Isnt it so sad when I see a picture of a pill its like showing candy to a baby. The zanax has helped with the crying but i cant takeit now that baby is home. Plus now if i want to smoke i have to go outside. I hide that too from my 6 year old but he at last isnt home yet. I am such a supermom and great housecleaner when I am taking it. I went ahead and called my dentist and they will deliver. Can someone tell me how to taper if i email you guys back with what he gave me? For some readon I know I can do it this time, but I dont really know how or when to take them to help ease w/d. I took one early this morning 5ish and then took other a few minutes ago. What am I do wrong with the taper? I want to just pop all these blue ones in my mouth and say fuck it but i'm not; thanks to you guys. If my mother hadnt been a PO and been watching me like a hawk in high school, I would have been a severe fuck up and dead by now from trying drugs i'm sure. thank God for moms.

[scarlett44]

hello, where are yall

[nick]

Pm or e mail me and I'll be there for you through whatever happens.I kicked and I KNOW how hard it is.
You can get my details under members list.

[Coddfish]

the good news is that each hour you go, the better off you are. your body is righting itself right now. and just cutting back a whole bunch will help tremendously. you will be so proud of yourself when you go longer and longer without taking one, and your tolerance will be so much lower, you'll realize that you are in a much better spot than you were at the worst.

it's just time. 3 days and you'll feel better. how many have you passed already?

[Euphoricgirl]

you guys are the best. I took a whole zanax and I have been asleep until just now. But, the baby just got home. If I could just taper better, i think I would be ok. I have never had my mind made up until now. I have beenthinking about it, but its like I just decided it was time. I don't want to do this anymore, but I do have to be able to function. I have two adoptions this week that I have to be in fort worth for(thats what i do but I work from home) When I am away from home, i dont think about the pills near as much. When i am home, i eat them like candy. Isnt it so sad when I see a picture of a pill its like showing candy to a baby. The zanax has helped with the crying but i cant takeit now that baby is home. Plus now if i want to smoke i have to go outside. I hide that too from my 6 year old but he at last isnt home yet. I am such a supermom and great housecleaner when I am taking it. I went ahead and called my dentist and they will deliver. Can someone tell me how to taper if i email you guys back with what he gave me? For some readon I know I can do it this time, but I dont really know how or when to take them to help ease w/d. I took one early this morning 5ish and then took other a few minutes ago. What am I do wrong with the taper? I want to just pop all these blue ones in my mouth and say fuck it but i'm not; thanks to you guys. If my mother hadnt been a PO and been watching me like a hawk in high school, I would have been a severe fuck up and dead by now from trying drugs i'm sure. thank God for moms.

What did the dentist give you? Does anyone see the relation??? (supermom and great housecleaner), hehehehe. Oh Codfish, I disagree with the 3 day thing, for this is my third day and damn I don't feel better yet, been alot of years...for her and myself. I am proud of you for getting this far Scarlett.

[scarlett44]

I feel really bad but I have had 3blue and 1 white. That is good though, I am not gonna beat myself up over it. Normally by this time I have already had 18, 19 depends on how much housework needed to be done or how many kids I was taking all over to karate, chess, soccer, swimming...the dentist gave me 20 5/500. Thats what I need help on. My friend that I share with called and said she would have 120 tuesday morning and ask me how many I needed until my delivery. I told her no matter what I say, dont bring me any and I wasnt gonna order mine friday, I am done. She said ok but dont waste my order!! I told her she could have them. So what should my taper be?I am up around 5 or 6am and normally go to bed around 10, 11,. Should I taper with the blue(10) or white(5) how many and how many hours apart?I just cant deal with the crying. I am on 150 zoloft and I forgot to take it the last few days and I think my hormones are still not back to normal from the baby. So what should my schedule be so I dont flip out but I get them out of my system? The one thing I am worried about is my 6 yo is out of school wedneday!!

[Euphoricgirl]

18 or 19 a day is alot!If you only have 20 left, then do something like 4, 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1, and so on. Or maybe nick or hom could help out here. Me, I just plain Cold turkey and supplement with kratom, klon, rest, etc. to get me threw, I just want to get it over quick. If there are 20 in the house then I can not usually make em last unfortunately. I just pmed you

[scarlett44]

its not showing a pm or email. my husband will b home soon and i wont b able to log on much

[scarlett44]

while i hav nothng to do but kill time, how do i put a graphic out by my name like you guys? I think i have sat here and stressed more about all the shit that needs to be done around the house and i dont have the eneregy for it. hubbie said he would do it when he gets home. Poor thing, he has been at work since 5 and now he has to come home and deal with me, 2 kids, cooking and cleaning. Who am I kidding, poor guy, I do that shit daily!!

[nick]

For pm or e mail go to members list then to the name you want and you can get in touch from there.

[Dolophine]

20-25 a day ?? Please tell me you were doing a cold water extraction on them? You had to have been, because I don't know anyone who could take 12,500mg's of apap

If all you have is like 15, and you were taking 25 a day, you're in for a rough ride. I'm sorry to inform you, but there will be vomiting and shitting involved. If you had a few hundred you could work out a taper schedule, but honest to god best answer if you've only got 15 is enjoy your last dose of hydro and fasten your seatbelt. The ride's going to get bumpy. (In terms of withdrawl it won't be THAT bad ... but it's sure going to seem like it.)

I used to take more than that. I would need to take 30 percs to get a decent buzz. I didn't learn about CWE until a year or two ago so I was taking mass amounts everyday. I'm surprised I have a liver left. I'm starting to worry now. I once took a bottle of 50 codeine 8mg/with 325 apap 15mg of caffeine :S