Heat and kratom

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

I've heard that heat kills the alkaloids in kratom and that's why it yields only very small results when smoked. So if that's the case, then how the hell do you boil it and make tea? Wouldn't the heat from the boiling destroy the alkaloids? I've been too scared to boil it cause I'm afraid I'll just waste it, so I've been eating it straight. Works just fine, but it'd be better to have as a tea. Anybody got any info about how this works?

[tptptp]

I've heard that heat kills the alkaloids in kratom and that's why it yields only very small results when smoked. So if that's the case, then how the hell do you boil it and make tea? Wouldn't the heat from the boiling destroy the alkaloids? I've been too scared to boil it cause I'm afraid I'll just waste it, so I've been eating it straight. Works just fine, but it'd be better to have as a tea. Anybody got any info about how this works?
Roraring boiled the stuff for an hour, and it come out kicking!

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Roraring boiled the stuff for an hour, and it come out kicking!

So it's cool to boil it then? How long is best to get the most goodies out of it?

[I-Nod]

So it's cool to boil it then? How long is best to get the most goodies out of it?

Depends on your patience. But you'll definitely want to boil it two (some even do it 3) times. I've heard boiling it anywhere from 15mins to half-hour. Strain. Then place material back into water and boil again. Strain, mix the two concoctions and chug.
You can go here http://www.sagewisdom.org/kratomguide.html and scroll down a bit for a "Tea Recipe" and other info on Kratom, by Daniel Siebert.

[jacky]

the alkaloids dont seem to be destroyed by lower heat, even smoking kratom resin provides some effects.

one of the most potent experiences I had was vaporizing the alkaloid equivalent of 25 grams of kratom in a few hits. this was a 3x refluxed ethanol extract produced on some quality epuipment.

when first researching kratom 4-5 years ago I would make my own crude ethanol extract and even that was active smoked.

the alkaloids seem to be pretty resistant to just water solutions. I found that kratom would still have significant alkaloids after being boiled even twice.

this is one of of approaching this.....
boil your kratom one time for the best tea. throw the mush (the mark) in the freezer, then the next time, boil that kratom mush that has been frozen in a 30% lime juice to 70% water solution, the citric acid will help to strip the alkaloids. drain and repeat once and a water wash and you should have 99% of the alkaloids out of there.
this makes for a complete use of the leaf material.
I started just eating the powder after awhile though, nothing like getting EVERYTHING in there.

plus the fiber, and I would imagine some querciten as well?

[tptptp]

So it's cool to boil it then? How long is best to get the most goodies out of it?
Follow the link in I-Nod's post, thats what I've done in the past....the whole process takes several hours so it'll need to be a day when your home...

I usually boil about 25 minutes, strain, set it to the side, then do it over again then mix the two finished products together and boil this down to a small amount(very lengthy process, you need to get a feel for how much to boil it down to too because it will eventually start to stick the pot and takes a really long time to get out like a temporary stain)....im sure even a 3rd boil or more would get a decent amount out but at that point the time is not worth a the extra effort for me that is if youve used enough water prior

Tea makes me VERY nauseous it is truly vile. Make sure you use enough water both boils (go by the guide) if you dont use enough water you'll only be able to get so much out of it each time...You dont wanna use way too much either because in the end you need to boil it down to next to nothing.

When its all said and done the stuff has been boiling forever (and while not a ROARING boil, not a light boil either)

Heat might effect it somewhat but the tea is very strong and basically you dont need to wrry about the heat at all.

If you plan to make several doses and need to keep it in the fridge more than 5days you need to add some alcohol to it the guide has the amount you need to add.
Some people say the alcohol kills the uephoria somewhat though and for others it may enhance the effect, personally havent noticed much difference.

[Boudica]

Jacky, you are just so gosh-darn knowledgeable it blows me away! I just tried Kratom for the first time night before last, and again last night. Note that, while I was also hoping for some "recreational" results, I have been in SEVERE pain for the past week and getting some analgesia was my main concern above all else. I received my order from Phytoextractom of 50 gms Bali crushed leaf. The first try, I threw about 5 Tbs. leaf into a saucepan, added about 2 cups water, brought it to a boil and let it cook at a low boil for 20 min. Drained, repeated and mixed the liquids. Gulped and chased with milk. In 5 min. (and I was watching the clock to document when I began to feel effects) I started to feel it coming on. Within 20 min. my pain level had decreased considerably. My husband had just got home from work, and started cooking the mush for the third time for 30 min. Drank that, pain went down more and I felt some actual euphoria. I described it as similar to a mild shot of demerol. I had the best night's sleep for the first time in weeks, and upon awakening in the morning could still slightly feel the K, but my pain level was back up and off the charts, so, I threw all of the leaf that I had left, (approx. 30 gms.) back in the pan, covered well with water and boiled for 45 min. I kept an eye on the pot, adding water as necessary to prevent all the water boiling out, drained, repeated, mixed the liquids and boiled down to about half to concentrate. WELL, let me tell you that after drinking about half of it , this time chasing w/ half&half, in 5 min. I started feeling like I was getting wasted. In 20 min. I WAS wasted and my pain was like something in the far distance. In 3 hrs. I felt like I needed to take some more so I drank the rest. When my husband got home this time he took one look at me and said "Jesus, just how much of that stuff did you take! Your eyes look like you're ripped!!!" This time it felt like I'd had a BIG shot of demerol and I was so damn grateful to be out of pain for a while, the high that came along with it was the cherry on the cake of my day. My apologies for this post being so long, but I wanted to report every detail of my first experience with this blessed tree leaf in the hope that others who read this might benefit. All the leftover mush is cooking as we speak, and I find it amazing that more alkaloids just keep coming out of this stuff every time you cook it. Heat is definately a good thing here, at least in my experience. So here I go to take my next dose and get my pain back down to a bearable level so that I can get back on my pc and order more. This time, when it gets here, I'm going to add the lime to the water and get all them alkaloids outta there! Question: After getting such good results from the Bali crushed leaf, is it worth my time and money to try some of the extracts offered? Also, is it worth the work involved to make my own resin?

*Footnote: Just FYI, my opiate tolerence is very, very high as I am on oxycontin, oxydose, Actic and Fentura daily. This factor is a large part of why I was so amazed by the result I got.

[Boudica]

I started writing this post about 3 hrs. ago and just submitted it before I got to read yours, TP. Just wanted to add, re: nausea, I felt a tiny bit the first night (that was with the milk chaser), but none at all last night with the half&half chaser. It takes the yucky taste right out and coats your tummy. That's my theory, anyway.