How stable is H in water?

[Dolomiti]

I was just wondering something. I thought H stays stable in water... does it break down at all over time?

Because if it is okay to store it in water... I do not understand why people do not do this. Why doesn't a user dissolve a new bag in water? This way, they could stir it into a large solution, and let the undissolved material settle to the bottom, and be removed. Also, it would allow for easier dose estimation. Even if you don't know the purity, you could estimate that your 5ml shot will have the same amount of H as the last 5ml shot did.

This is just a curiosity of mine, for educational purposes. If anyone could explain or correct my errors, I would appreciate it :)

[HistoryofMadness]

I wouldn't do that because of (a) weight (legal) and (b) a higher tendency to fuck shit up because you can't really control water once its on its own.

oh and because if i'm fucking with a bag i'm shooting it. if not i'm pretending its not there.

[SuperJunky]

I used to do this all the time. I would buy 5 or 6 grams and dissolve it all at once so I had a fairly consistent solution to work w/ while tapering, untill one day I dissolved 4 grams in 8 ml of water, did a shot, got a good buzz and went to bed. The next morning I did a shot and nothing. Panick set in, WTF? I ended up booting the remainder of the slotion and barely getting straight. Not cool. So while I've done this many times w/ good results that one time that didnt go well was an expensive mistake and I dont plan on trying this again on the off chance it happens again. Any idea what happened here chemically?

[Dolomiti]

I used to do this all the time. I would buy 5 or 6 grams and dissolve it all at once so I had a fairly consistent solution to work w/ while tapering, untill one day I dissolved 4 grams in 8 ml of water, did a shot, got a good buzz and went to bed. The next morning I did a shot and nothing. Panick set in, WTF? I ended up booting the remainder of the slotion and barely getting straight. Not cool. So while I've done this many times w/ good results that one time that didnt go well was an expensive mistake and I dont plan on trying this again on the off chance it happens again. Any idea what happened here chemically?

That reminds me of something else. When reading purification procedures, like the one in the HU Handbook, it says dissolve a gram in 5ml of water. Is this possible? It seemed unbelievable to my novice knowledge... I thought I read somewhere else that it dissolves at a rate about 7.5mg/ml, but I could be wrong. How does 5 grams dissolve in just 5ml of water? I don't know how much volume 5g tends to have but I thought it would be far more than 10ml.

On Heroin Helper website, there is a page that IIRC it should be okay to cook up a shot and shoot it later in the day, although there is the risk of the cutting agents undissolving themselves and possibly some of the H undissolving if it's too highly concentrated and not having enough water to dissolve in when it cools off.

[SuperJunky]

Depending on what its cut w/ etc I can usuall get a 1/2 gram to dissolve in 1/2 to 1 ml of water, and thats unheated.

[nick]

Freeze dried diamorphine will dissolve in a tiny drop of water.

[OxyContinuously]

Depending on what its cut w/ etc I can usuall get a 1/2 gram to dissolve in 1/2 to 1 ml of water, and thats unheated.


that sounds about right. heroin has a high solubility in water---that is compared to other substances (like your favorite--> APAP; jk)


later

OxyCon-fucking-tinuously (just found out i can finally get my greedy mitts on some shit later, heh)

[HistoryofMadness]

once i fixed 2 shots just before bed, one for the night, and one when i woke up the next morning. i put the rig in my pillow (roommates). the next day i awoke to an empty pillowcase and my roommate telling me he woke up with a backache so...

fucker.

[stillbornflower]

I was under the impression that if heroin was left in water it would slowly start breaking down back into morphine..is this not correct?

[johnnyb420]

I was under the impression that if heroin was left in water it would slowly start breaking down back into morphine..is this not correct?




yes that is correct heroin hydrolizes into morphine the process starts almost immediatly and any heat speeds up the process:(


to answer the question posed by the op it would be a really accurate way to split up a gram into quarters but you would not want to store your dope like this unless you want to shoot morphine instead of heroin it would still get yo high and get your sick off it just would not be as strong as heroin

[kyuss]

Wouldn't
the water
evaporate over time
bringing you back
to step one?

[HistoryofMadness]

Wouldn't
the water
evaporate over time
bringing you back
to step one?

prolly not, evaporation is a physical reaction, not chemical... prolly one of those toothpaste/tube situations. once those molecules are seperated, there's no going back without those ruthless chemists.

[kyuss]

prolly not, evaporation is a physical reaction, not chemical... prolly one of those toothpaste/tube situations. once those molecules are seperated, there's no going back without those ruthless chemists.

interesting

[Dolomiti]

Wouldn't
the water
evaporate over time
bringing you back
to step one?

Why is bottled water even sold then... I mean it must eventually evaporate out of the bottle before people get to buy it, right?

[kyuss]

Why is bottled water even sold then... I mean it must eventually evaporate out of the bottle before people get to buy it, right?

man, I was
stoned as hell
when I wrote that
and I hadn't slept.
Pictured an uncapped
mason jar in my mind.
Kinda like I'm picturing you
as a smartass in my mind now.

[CUBErt]

^ hehehe (this is just to make the post long enough, disregard this part)

[robojunkie]

One coiuld probably just "buffer" it like they do with regular IV ampules and shit...like acetate/saline or some such shit...but why bother? If that's a concern (and it is it will happen over time, faster w/ heat or more acidic as in when the dope smells like vinegar) why not just grind all shit together if you have it in enough quant to be concerned with this? Vac pac it and put in the fridge.


Now that wasn't ruthless at all was is HoM? I coulda said.......j/k

[Opiyum]

Just put the shit in some water and stick it in your arm. Thats really the long and short of it. The rest is just static.

[superman]

please don't store your drugs in solution unless you preserve it in some way. for one, nearly any drug will decompose at a greatly increased rate when dossolved in water, second, it has the potential to cultivate bacteria and mold and in turn kill you.

yesterday i fucked up, grabbed a used rig, sucked up some water and shot it into the spoon with some hydromorph. seeing the red and realizing what i had done, i took this solution, put it into a small vial, and froze it so i can use it orally when i run out. left unfrozen this would undoubtedly have great ptoential to cause a serious infection