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[tptptp]

The main page of the web site discussing kratom says it is opiate like in low doses and stimulating in high doses and it is stated elsewhere and from personal experience can also attest to it being the opposite.

[tptptp]

BUMP til a mod sees this

[SuperJunky]

What you need a mod for? I doubt I'm the type of mod your lookin for. If you want some one to comment on this I agree w/ you but I'm an addict w/ a high tolerance, and I can attest that some do get more stimulating affects at higher doses. I think the reason igher doses are more sedating to me is because they're blocking WD and anything that is relief isa sort of sedation, atleast psychologically. Its hard to explain.

[HistoryofMadness]

i've always heard it and experienced it to be exactly the opposite.

[tptptp]

The only places I've read and its been a few have agreed with me.

This is coming from someone who with very little tolerance downed a 30g tea and went fucking soaring euphorically....where as a 12g tea would get him just yappin nonstop. It might be reversed for some but I dont think the page is correct so I was trying to bring it to someones attention to look into.

http://www.sagewisdom.org/kratomguide.html

"Kratom is a rather unique drug in that a low to moderate dose will usually (but not always) be stimulating, while a high dose is almost always quite sedating. This is apparently because the active alkaloids have both stimulant and sedative effects. Which predominates probably depends both on blood level and individual differences between users."

http://www.salvia-divinorum.com/kratom.htm


"What are the effects?
Kratom is a rather unique drug in that a low to moderate dose will usually (but not always) be stimulating, while a high dose is almost always quite sedating. This is apparently because the active alkaloids (primarily mitragynine) have both stimulant and sedative effects. Which predominates probably depends both on blood level and individual differences between users.

Same quotes, different sites apparently copied but still, they agree obviously
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[AWOL]

While one study of Thai users reported that it is sedative in low doses changing over to stimulation in higher doses, this seems to be incorrect. Most other sources say that it is a stimulant in lower doses, becoming sedative in higher doses, which is consistent with mitragynine's receptor binding profile. Effects come on within five to ten minutes after use, and last for several hours. The feeling has been described as happy, strong, and active, with a strong desire to do work. The mind is described as calm. The Swiss biologist Claude Rifat experimented with a low dose of three smoked leaves and reported the effects reminded him somewhat of SSRIs, in that it blocked motivation, induced indifference, made doing everything boring, and brought on a strong laziness. It seems likely that these two almost opposite results may be influenced by cultural expectations.


http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10379 (credits at the bottom)



I'm sure it affects different people differently though, like with most things.

[tptptp]

i've always heard it and experienced it to be exactly the opposite.

Opposite of what the main page says or what I've said?

And thanks for the extra info DV

[tptptp]

Bump, so I guess after posting this and sending a pm to jacky no one cares.....oh well.... I'd put money on the main page dosing thing being wrong, was just trying to clear it up

[Curio]

I'd always heard it to be stimulating at low doses and sedating at higher doses...

really, not much widely known about this stuff, and then there are varying strains of kratom being something additional to factor in

[tonyk]

tp, I agree with you, I've been using K for almost a year, with the effects being as you stated. Our moderater seems confused.

[tptptp]

Yeah, I sent Jacky a PM about it to several days ago, but no response. It doesnt really make the site look very intelligent to have inaccurate information on the front page. Dont know why no one is even willing to discuss it.

[bi11i]

I think you might be misinterpreting. What the front page says is:The effects of Kratom have been documented as similar to that of a regular opiate in lower doses, however many users report a far more stimulating effect at higher doses.This is true. This has been documented. Some, perhaps many users report a more stimulating effect at higher doses. I don't read this to be "however many users report a more amphetamine-like effect at higher doses". It could be read this way, it might be read another.

Either way, the point of the front page article was to provoke discussion and to say that it hasn't would be an understatment, no?

[tptptp]

I think you might be misinterpreting. What the front page says is:This is true. This has been documented. Some, perhaps many users to report a more stimulating effect at higher doses. I don't read this to be "however many users report a more amphetamine-like effect at higher doses". It could be read this way, it might be read another.

Either way, the point of the front page article was to provoke discussion and to say that it hasn't would be an understatment, no?

Even if it isnt being stated that, thats what the dosage effects are, it doesnt provide anything else on dosage effects, so at best its misleading. So basically I dont think it makes much of a difference...I'm sure this site is under the microscope and criticised enough, but when statements like this get posted on it, I would think it loses credibility. I get what you're saying and all, that it may have been *reported* to have those effects but I dont see the purpose of mentioning whats been reported and leaving out whats the norm....?

Thats like saying its been reported that several brain surgeries ended in death,,, sure I'm sure some have but its not typical so why post that without saying most havent died in the surgery.....ok not the best anaology in the world but it fits well enough....

Anyways just trying to help so whatever not gonna lose sleep over it....it is what it is

[bi11i]

All in all, we're not necessarily a 'resource for information' at all, but a board for discussion. The article is meant to provoke discussion. Had the information not been there in first place (information that is 'reportedly' as such), this thread wouldn't exist at all.

The board certainly welcomes the opinions of all - Kratom especially is a plant meant for research and discussion of such. I don't really think it dumbs us down to have information that's been 'reported' as factual. That's what the board is for, to provoke discussion, which I guess could include the discussion of 'reported' and possible inaccuracies on our front page....;)

Our robots.txt file tells google to ignore this page anyway, so it's not really a 'source for information' at all, just an evil scheme by the admins to create redundant threads....

[HistoryofMadness]

Our robots.txt file tells google to ignore this page anyway, so it's not really a 'source for information' at all, just an evil scheme by the admins to create redundant threads....

dirty bastard...

[bi11i]

What can I say?

We did actually have to block the cmps_index.php page from being indexed - the search bots were pounding a script on this page - I couldn't figure out what it was, but it saved us a few megs in bandwidth each day. Another topic and hate to be OT, but we're averaging 10-15 new members a day.

Ok, no segway back into the thread, so I'm fucked. Mod me and split me into general chat, where I belong.

I'd love to see a poll on what forms of Kratom are the most popular... Bali, Thai, Indo, Malay? Extract, Pies, Isolates? Vendor?