Nubain

[JonnyMohawk]

Hey guys Im wondering if any of you have ever used nubain, and could possibly give me an experience report about it. See this medication has recently came available to me, but to be honest i don't know what the fuck it is, well i know its a narcotic but thats about it.

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DESCRIPTION

NUBAIN (nalbuphine hydrochloride (file:///C:/lookup:id=18830|)) is a synthetic (file:///C:/lookup:id=39766|)opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|) agonist-antagonist analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|) of the phenanthrene (file:///C:/lookup:id=31103|)series (file:///C:/lookup:id=37100|). It is chemically related to both the widely used opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)antagonist (file:///C:/lookup:id=2485|), naloxone, and the potent (file:///C:/lookup:id=32925|)opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|), oxymorphone.
NUBAIN is a sterile (file:///C:/lookup:id=38584|)solution (file:///C:/lookup:id=37657|) suitable for subcutaneous (file:///C:/lookup:id=39002|), intramuscular (file:///C:/lookup:id=20833|), or intravenous (file:///C:/lookup:id=20879|)injection (file:///C:/lookup:id=20409|). NUBAIN is available in two concentrations (file:///C:/lookup:id=8792|), 10 mg and 20 mg of nalbuphine hydrochloride (file:///C:/lookup:id=26780|) per mL. Both strengths (file:///C:/lookup:id=38792|) in 10 mL vials (file:///C:/lookup:id=43568|) contain 0.94% sodium (file:///C:/lookup:id=37615|)citrate (file:///C:/lookup:id=8140|)hydrous (file:///C:/lookup:id=18940|), 1.26% citric acid (file:///C:/lookup:id=8142|)anhydrous (file:///C:/lookup:id=2318|), and 0.2% of a 9:1 mixture (file:///C:/lookup:id=25714|) of methylparaben (file:///C:/lookup:id=25218|) and propylparaben (file:///C:/lookup:id=33523|) as preservatives (file:///C:/lookup:id=33155|); pH is adjusted, if necessary, to 3.5 to 3.7 with hydrochloric acid (file:///C:/lookup:id=18829|). The 10 mg/mL strength (file:///C:/lookup:id=38792|) contains 0.2% sodium (file:///C:/lookup:id=37615|)chloride (file:///C:/lookup:id=7444|).
NUBAIN is also available in ampuls in a sterile (file:///C:/lookup:id=38584|), paraben-free formulation in two concentrations (file:///C:/lookup:id=8792|), 10 mg and 20 mg of nalbuphine hydrochloride (file:///C:/lookup:id=26780|) per mL. One mL of each strength (file:///C:/lookup:id=38792|) contains 0.94% sodium (file:///C:/lookup:id=37615|)citrate (file:///C:/lookup:id=8140|)hydrous (file:///C:/lookup:id=18940|), and 1.26% citric acid (file:///C:/lookup:id=8142|)anhydrous (file:///C:/lookup:id=2318|); pH is adjusted, if necessary, to 3.5 to 3.7 with hydrochloric acid (file:///C:/lookup:id=18829|). The 10 mg/mL strength (file:///C:/lookup:id=38792|) contains 0.2% sodium (file:///C:/lookup:id=37615|)chloride (file:///C:/lookup:id=7444|).
CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY

NUBAIN is a potent (file:///C:/lookup:id=32925|)analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|). Its analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|)potency (file:///C:/lookup:id=32924|) is essentially equivalent (file:///C:/lookup:id=13637|) to that of morphine (file:///C:/lookup:id=26060|) on a milligram (file:///C:/lookup:id=25611|)basis (file:///C:/lookup:id=4426|). Receptor (file:///C:/lookup:id=35027|)studies (file:///C:/lookup:id=38905|)show (file:///C:/lookup:id=37260|) that NUBAIN binds (file:///C:/lookup:id=4848|) to mu, kappa (file:///C:/lookup:id=21579|), and delta (file:///C:/lookup:id=10536|)receptors (file:///C:/lookup:id=35027|), but not to sigma (file:///C:/lookup:id=37361|)receptors (file:///C:/lookup:id=35027|). NUBAIN is primarily a kappa (file:///C:/lookup:id=21579|) agonist/partial mu antagonist (file:///C:/lookup:id=2485|)analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|).
The onset of action (file:///C:/lookup:id=595|) of NUBAIN occurs within 2 to 3 minutes after intravenous (file:///C:/lookup:id=20879|) administration, and in less than 15 minutes following subcutaneous (file:///C:/lookup:id=39002|) or intramuscular (file:///C:/lookup:id=20833|)injection (file:///C:/lookup:id=20409|). The plasma (file:///C:/lookup:id=31992|)half-life (file:///C:/lookup:id=17167|) of nalbuphine is 5 hours, and in clinical (file:///C:/lookup:id=8253|)studies (file:///C:/lookup:id=38905|) the duration (file:///C:/lookup:id=12085|) of analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|)activity (file:///C:/lookup:id=600|) has been reported to range (file:///C:/lookup:id=34914|) from 3 to 6 hours.
The opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)antagonist (file:///C:/lookup:id=2485|)activity (file:///C:/lookup:id=600|) of NUBAIN is one-fourth as potent (file:///C:/lookup:id=32925|) as nalorphine (file:///C:/lookup:id=26782|) and 10 times (file:///C:/lookup:id=41060|) that of pentazocine (file:///C:/lookup:id=30353|).
NUBAIN may produce the same degree (file:///C:/lookup:id=10468|) of respiratory (file:///C:/lookup:id=35348|)depression (file:///C:/lookup:id=10714|) as equianalgesic doses (file:///C:/lookup:id=11898|) of morphine (file:///C:/lookup:id=26060|). However, NUBAIN exhibits a ceiling effect (file:///C:/lookup:id=12509|) such that increases (file:///C:/lookup:id=20183|) in dose (file:///C:/lookup:id=11898|) greater than 30 mg do not produce further respiratory (file:///C:/lookup:id=35348|)depression (file:///C:/lookup:id=10714|).
NUBAIN by itself has potent (file:///C:/lookup:id=32925|)opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)antagonist (file:///C:/lookup:id=2485|)activity (file:///C:/lookup:id=600|) at doses (file:///C:/lookup:id=11898|) equal to or lower than its analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|)dose (file:///C:/lookup:id=11898|). When administered following or concurrent with mu agonist (file:///C:/lookup:id=1057|)opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)analgesics (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|) (e.g., morphine (file:///C:/lookup:id=26060|), oxymorphone, fentanyl), NUBAIN may partially reverse or block (file:///C:/lookup:id=5184|) opioid-induced respiratory (file:///C:/lookup:id=35348|)depression (file:///C:/lookup:id=10714|) from the mu agonist (file:///C:/lookup:id=1057|)analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|). NUBAIN may precipitate (file:///C:/lookup:id=33011|)withdrawal (file:///C:/lookup:id=44118|) in patients (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|) dependent on opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)drugs (file:///C:/lookup:id=11987|). NUBAIN should be used with caution in patients (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|) who have been receiving mu opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)analgesics (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|) on a regular basis (file:///C:/lookup:id=4426|).
INDICATIONS AND USAGE

NUBAIN is indicated for the relief (file:///C:/lookup:id=35218|) of moderate to severe pain (file:///C:/lookup:id=29360|). NUBAIN can also be used as a supplement to balanced anesthesia (file:///C:/lookup:id=2169|), for preoperative (file:///C:/lookup:id=33108|) and postoperative (file:///C:/lookup:id=32877|)analgesia (file:///C:/lookup:id=2008|), and for obstetrical analgesia (file:///C:/lookup:id=2008|) during labor (file:///C:/lookup:id=22077|) and delivery (file:///C:/lookup:id=10529|).
CONTRAINDICATIONS

NUBAIN should not be administered to patients (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|) who are hypersensitive to nalbuphine hydrochloride (file:///C:/lookup:id=26780|), or to any of the other ingredients in NUBAIN.
WARNINGS

NUBAIN should be administered as a supplement to general anesthesia (file:///C:/lookup:id=2169|) only by persons specifically trained in the use of intravenous (file:///C:/lookup:id=20879|)anesthetics (file:///C:/lookup:id=2172|) and management (file:///C:/lookup:id=23938|) of the respiratory (file:///C:/lookup:id=35348|)effects (file:///C:/lookup:id=12509|) of potent (file:///C:/lookup:id=32925|)opioids (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|).
Naloxone, resuscitative and intubation (file:///C:/lookup:id=20902|) equipment and oxygen (file:///C:/lookup:id=29207|) should be readily available.
Drug (file:///C:/lookup:id=11987|)Abuse (file:///C:/lookup:id=159|): Caution should be observed in prescribing (file:///C:/lookup:id=33148|) NUBAIN for emotionally unstable patients (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|), or for individuals with a history of opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|)abuse (file:///C:/lookup:id=159|). Such patients (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|) should be closely supervised when long-term therapy (file:///C:/lookup:id=40574|) is contemplated (see DRUG (file:///C:/lookup:id=11987|)ABUSE (file:///C:/lookup:id=159|) AND DEPENDENCE (file:///C:/lookup:id=10692|)).
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It does not make the DOC list for most folks.

[JonnyMohawk]

It does not make the DOC list for most folks.

Thanks man, Im just wondering if anyone here has tried it, or even enjoys it for that matter.

[mrbigsexy]

I've only known a few people who were looking for Nubain. They all seem to indicate "it's pretty strong stuff" and that "it has some good effects" but it's ambiguous as to beyond that if it's that swell. Nubain can only be IV'd so, that limits it to the needle-using crowd (although I guess conceivably it could be dried and snorted but I haven't heard any reports of that).

To some people Nubain is worth $15 an ampoule, or $200 per 10ml vial because I have seen sources sell, and people, buy at those prices.

Then again, Wikipedia claims "it's found more effective by women than men in small doses, and may even increase pain in men which is why it was discontinued use in the UK" or some degree of bs like that, since I have yet to meet anybody who is vehemently against the use of Nubain for any reason.

And I saw on a post somewhere that people with red hair will find it more effective. And that some red headed girl who was the friend of a friend on another forum on another thread was addicted to shooting Nubain like Heroin, but then again this is all heresay and not really very objective.

So to answer your question, ther's a fairly high probability that you'll like it, even if you're not a red headed female, but then again, it is always relative to whatever else you've had, and how you personally find it.

[JonnyMohawk]

I've only known a few people who were looking for Nubain. They all seem to indicate "it's pretty strong stuff" and that "it has some good effects" but it's ambiguous as to beyond that if it's that swell. Nubain can only be IV'd so, that limits it to the needle-using crowd (although I guess conceivably it could be dried and snorted but I haven't heard any reports of that).

To some people Nubain is worth $15 an ampoule, or $200 per 10ml vial because I have seen sources sell, and people, buy at those prices.

Then again, Wikipedia claims "it's found more effective by women than men in small doses, and may even increase pain in men which is why it was discontinued use in the UK" or some degree of bs like that, since I have yet to meet anybody who is vehemently against the use of Nubain for any reason.

And I saw on a post somewhere that people with red hair will find it more effective. And that some red headed girl who was the friend of a friend on another forum on another thread was addicted to shooting Nubain like Heroin, but then again this is all heresay and not really very objective.

So to answer your question, ther's a fairly high probability that you'll like it, even if you're not a red headed female, but then again, it is always relative to whatever else you've had, and how you personally find it.

Well I figure I'll pick some up to try, and ill let you all know how it goes.

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Take note that it is an agonist-antagonist type drug; these drugs are known for their ability to get you strung out without getting much of a buzz. Also known to throw opiate dependent people into full blown withdrawal.

[chemboy7]

Take note that it is an agonist-antagonist type drug; these drugs are known for their ability to get you strung out without getting much of a buzz. Also known to throw opiate dependent people into full blown withdrawal.

Yeah, if you have a decent habit at all that stuff can precipitate withdrawl symptoms and leave you feeling very shitty. I'd stay away myself but if your going to do it wait until you are a good ways into WDing before trying any. Good luck.

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Patients (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|) Dependent on Opioids (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|): Patients (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|) who have been taking (file:///C:/lookup:id=39926|) opioids (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|) chronically may experience (file:///C:/lookup:id=14318|) withdrawal (file:///C:/lookup:id=44118|) symptoms (file:///C:/lookup:id=39629|) upon the administration of NUBAIN. If unduly troublesome, opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|) withdrawal (file:///C:/lookup:id=44118|) symptoms (file:///C:/lookup:id=39629|) can be controlled by the slow intravenous (file:///C:/lookup:id=20879|) administration of small increments (file:///C:/lookup:id=20184|) of morphine (file:///C:/lookup:id=26060|), until relief (file:///C:/lookup:id=35218|) occurs. If the previous analgesic (file:///C:/lookup:id=2009|) was morphine (file:///C:/lookup:id=26060|), meperidine, codeine (file:///C:/lookup:id=8476|), or other opioid (file:///C:/lookup:id=28461|) with similar duration (file:///C:/lookup:id=12085|) of activity (file:///C:/lookup:id=600|), one-fourth of the anticipated dose (file:///C:/lookup:id=11898|) of NUBAIN can be administered initially and the patient (file:///C:/lookup:id=30103|) observed for signs (file:///C:/lookup:id=37377|) of withdrawal (file:///C:/lookup:id=44118|), i.e., abdominal (file:///C:/lookup:id=45|) cramps (file:///C:/lookup:id=9356|), nausea (file:///C:/lookup:id=26876|) and vomiting (file:///C:/lookup:id=43834|), lacrimation (file:///C:/lookup:id=22102|), rhinorrhea (file:///C:/lookup:id=35640|), anxiety (file:///C:/lookup:id=2824|), restlessness, elevation (file:///C:/lookup:id=12737|) of temperature (file:///C:/lookup:id=40191|) or piloerection (file:///C:/lookup:id=31803|). If untoward symptoms (file:///C:/lookup:id=39629|) do not occur, progressively larger doses (file:///C:/lookup:id=11898|) may be tried at appropriate intervals (file:///C:/lookup:id=20742|) until the desired level (file:///C:/lookup:id=22720|) of analgesia (file:///C:/lookup:id=2008|) is obtained with NUBAIN.


Some addded info from the PDR.

[Chemical_Boy]

I have had a shot or two of this stuff for migraines. I found no euphoria or buzz at all with it. I had it IM, maybe IV would produce a more easily detected effect. That said, if you have the kind of body where you actually notice something from things like darvacet or tramadol, you might be able to catch a buzz off of this stuff. The only use that I have for it is for the analgesic properties that it has.
Definitely note what was said above, though, if you give this stuff a go. Mixed agonist/antagonist so it could put you in an uncomfortable place if you have a real habit of any other narcs.

[JonnyMohawk]

I have had a shot or two of this stuff for migraines. I found no euphoria or buzz at all with it. I had it IM, maybe IV would produce a more easily detected effect. That said, if you have the kind of body where you actually notice something from things like darvacet or tramadol, you might be able to catch a buzz off of this stuff. The only use that I have for it is for the analgesic properties that it has.
Definitely note what was said above, though, if you give this stuff a go. Mixed agonist/antagonist so it could put you in an uncomfortable place if you have a real habit of any other narcs.

Yeah I've been constantly on OC's for about 4 months now, so maybe I'll wait to take this stuff until I'm actually going through some withdrawals. Thanks for all the info though.

[Cowboy_from_Hell]

I had a hard on to try nubain an finally did...it made me light-headed and disoriented with ZERO buzz...the next day I felt sick to my stomach, no enough to puke, but enough to feel bad, I took my amps and busted them down the sink.never again

[JonnyMohawk]

I had a hard on to try nubain an finally did...it made me light-headed and disoriented with ZERO buzz...the next day I felt sick to my stomach, no enough to puke, but enough to feel bad, I took my amps and busted them down the sink.never again

Yeah, It's pretty much looking like I would only ever take these as a last resort, maybe not even that. The more posts the worse it looks.

[HistoryofMadness]

Stay away unless you want to feel like you're dying. You will end up in 3 days of WD happening at once.

It is not for using, its for precipitating withdrawl.

[insaneike]

I've only heard one person say it was good, Beautifully_broken said she loved it I think.

I also read on wiki that it can actually cause pain in males. I dunno, from what all i've heard and read it's nothing to even pick up the phone over... stick with the time tried n proven things that work i say :p

[SuperJunky]

I've only heard one person say it was good, Beautifully_broken said she loved it I think.

I also read on wiki that it can actually cause pain in males. I dunno, from what all i've heard and read it's nothing to even pick up the phone over... stick with the time tried n proven things that work i say :p

I think we junkys (and the drug using community in general) need to experiment and try just about anything we can that could help manage/maintain/detox/etc. but as for those in a medical setting w/ genuine pain I agree. When your in a lot of pain it plays hell on your mental state anyways so why the fuck do they see euphoria as an unwanted side effect? For the love of god they list it right next to death for some meds. WTF? I think a lot of these new sleeping aids, antidepressants and painkillers the pharmacutical companies are pumping out are a huge step backwards.

Not trying to get this thread off topic, just my 2 cents.

[JonnyMohawk]

I think we junkys (and the drug using community in general) need to experiment and try just about anything we can that could help manage/maintain/detox/etc. but as for those in a medical setting w/ genuine pain I agree. When your in a lot of pain it plays hell on your mental state anyways so why the fuck do they see euphoria as an unwanted side effect? For the love of god they list it right next to death for some meds. WTF? I think a lot of these new sleeping aids, antidepressants and painkillers the pharmacutical companies are pumping out are a huge step backwards.

Not trying to get this thread off topic, just my 2 cents.

I totally agree with you. People who have chronic pain are under so much stress that some euphoria might be something that actually helps with the pain.

[HistoryofMadness]

I've only heard one person say it was good, Beautifully_broken said she loved it I think.

I also read on wiki that it can actually cause pain in males. I dunno, from what all i've heard and read it's nothing to even pick up the phone over... stick with the time tried n proven things that work i say :p


all true but i thought you (original poster) were opiate-dependant. if you are it will make you go into WD. you'll have to wait for WD to set in before you can use it to avoid that.

and why would you go off of your DOC for a day and get sick just to try something that can't be as good as a pure agonist?

maybe i'm wrong. hell maybe i should pick some up (ha like its that easy!) since i'm not on anything.

[insaneike]

I think we junkys (and the drug using community in general) need to experiment and try just about anything we can that could help manage/maintain/detox/etc. but as for those in a medical setting w/ genuine pain I agree. When your in a lot of pain it plays hell on your mental state anyways so why the fuck do they see euphoria as an unwanted side effect? For the love of god they list it right next to death for some meds. WTF? I think a lot of these new sleeping aids, antidepressants and painkillers the pharmacutical companies are pumping out are a huge step backwards.

Not trying to get this thread off topic, just my 2 cents.


soooo fucking true!!! With all the damn BS and hell we gotta live with I think us chronic pain sufferers deserve a few hours a day that make us feel good enough to things such as walking, sitting, and sleeping and care to even live another day, but god forbid someone feels good in this country:mad:
if it wasn't for a few docs who actually care and the few quacks out there god knows how some of us would be(hooked on dope lol). I'm lucky enough to have an understanding doc for the most part, and if it wasn't for him putting me on the fent patches, soma, n perc/lortab before i had surgery god, i bet i wouldn't have gotten nothing but a morph pump and some lortab. Thank god for cool russian docs!


ok yeah, getting off topic, but a good possible discussion nonetheless.

[JonnyMohawk]

all true but i thought you (original poster) were opiate-dependant. if you are it will make you go into WD. you'll have to wait for WD to set in before you can use it to avoid that.

and why would you go off of your DOC for a day and get sick just to try something that can't be as good as a pure agonist?

maybe i'm wrong. hell maybe i should pick some up (ha like its that easy!) since i'm not on anything.


No i said hell maybe ill try it when i run out of my DOC, say when im in withdrawals. It cant be worse then nothing on a full set WD. The drug was offered to my free of charge, i would never buy it.

[HistoryofMadness]

No i said hell maybe ill try it when i run out of my DOC, say when im in withdrawals. It cant be worse then nothing on a full set WD. The drug was offered to my free of charge, i would never buy it.

yeah that occured to me after i wrote that, you're probably right, if you're in enough WD it would at least keep that at bay.

in that case it makes sense.

[OxyContinuously]

NUbain sounds interesting enough, but probably not something i would "move heaven and Earth" for trying to locate.




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[Dolophine]

Nubain= Instant withdrawal. May be useful for when you run out of stuff though. never tried it and don't plan to. I don't know if its any good.

[paragoric]

Well, I, for One have tryed this SHIT......I had a Migraine and was given it by my doctor (who Knows I'm on methadone)....It threw me into Instant Withdrawls, like I have never had before.....big time DYSphoria, not euphoria......If you even think you might be addicted to opies DO NOT let a doctor give you an injection of this god-awful medication....After this incident (been about 6 months ago), I don't let any Doctor give me an IM or IV shot unless I know exactly what it is....It took 80 mgs of methadone (2 wafers) and 6 mg clonazapam, just to begin to feel the WD's ease up...the Klonopin was for twitching, it makes you twitch so bad, almost like a seizure, you sure can't control it...I mean , I was coming up off the bed...finally I passed out for an hour or so and had to wake up and take more 'done and some oxy....Whoever said they dumped the amps out , had the right idea....I can't think of a worse med (maybe naltrexone) for an opiate dependant person.....

[JonnyMohawk]

Well, I, for One have tryed this SHIT......I had a Migraine and was given it by my doctor (who Knows I'm on methadone)....It threw me into Instant Withdrawls, like I have never had before.....big time DYSphoria, not euphoria......If you even think you might be addicted to opies DO NOT let a doctor give you an injection of this god-awful medication....After this incident (been about 6 months ago), I don't let any Doctor give me an IM or IV shot unless I know exactly what it is....It took 80 mgs of methadone (2 wafers) and 6 mg clonazapam, just to begin to feel the WD's ease up...the Klonopin was for twitching, it makes you twitch so bad, almost like a seizure, you sure can't control it...I mean , I was coming up off the bed...finally I passed out for an hour or so and had to wake up and take more 'done and some oxy....Whoever said they dumped the amps out , had the right idea....I can't think of a worse med (maybe naltrexone) for an opiate dependant person.....

That was either really fucked up of your doctor or just really stupid. Im sorry you had to go through that.

[HistoryofMadness]

That was either really fucked up of your doctor or just really stupid. Im sorry you had to go through that.

if you're doctor knew, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. if he didn't, he does now!

[tonyk]

OK, all, I have a different opinion! I used it steady back maybe 20 yrs ago. I shot it usually IM at 5-10 mgs. I'll admit my tolerance was lower then. I enjoyed the hell outta it!! A couple times I IV'ed it with great effects too, just not as long lasting. As I remember it is a synthetic type opiate that causes all the same reactions. They use it in the hospitals for pain control. I absolutely did not have the physical WD effects that I get today with OC use. I mean, I'd miss having it , but I didn't get sick. I had access to it for maybe a yr. I'd love to try it again! Whoever said they were breaking the ampules in the sink & dumping it down the drain---YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!! At the time it was the best opiate high I'd ever experienced beyond prescribed pills. I can't imagine it wouldn't buzz me now. Actually I've wondered about getting some? So don't be so quick to blow it off. Oh & for what its worth, I am a red-headed woman, pertaining to the one post about a study done. Finally something in my favore!!

[Beautifully_Broken]

i got it in the hospital once when i complained about a headache.....wasnt dependet on opiates at the time though, but when given by iv it was the strongest nod i'd experienced at that time. can also be taken im, but not as much of an effect

since im on done now i wouldnt try it, but damn i did enjoy it at the time

[macgyver622]

I was in a motorcycle accident around 99. Since I was off work for a while I went to Mexico for fun and to see what I could find. I asked the pharm guy there what type of inject ables they had, and he showed me nalbuphine. I bought some and actually liked it. For like 2 years I traveled to Mexico to buy the stupid stuff. Anyways I know a lot of body builders used this stuff for pain also. I think in the prescribing info its strength was listed on a per mg basis similar to morphine

[halfalien_s4]

ive had nubain both thru IM and iv and what used to take care of my migraines i now hate and have for some yrs now....it and stagol both. those 2 drugs are in their own class of agonist-antagonist and somthing about that doesnt like me. i always get an allerdic reaction-like reaction with both like my skin feeling like its on fire, nausea, headache, profuse sweating, not to matter it doesnt work.....be careful with this drug. u either hate it or love it.

[mrbigsexy]

Good news! Well, good to those who don't know about it, probably worthless to those who know or don't care.

If you read up on Nubain, you would know that adding a teeny bit of Naloxone makes it just as fun for men as it is women (because Nubain in small amounts actually CAUSES pain in men).

Well SWIM had some buprenorphine and some Nubain lying around, and figured out that the buprenorphine works almost as good. SWIM mixed them up in some random quantities, it really doesn't matter too much. They both seem to complement each other well and removes the dysphoria.

I mean buprenorphine chemical itself. Not implicating any other chemicals such as the Naloxone that is put into some buprenorphine tabs such as Suboxone.

[HeidiW]

Nubain is the stuff they give a pregnant woman in labor for pain if your Dr. is conservative.:rolleyes:

[tonyk]

Well, anyway, I sure wish I could get some. Maybe the drug-good-fairly will answer my wish! Ya, sure, like THAT'S goin' to happen. Ah, if wishes were horses, even beggars would ride!/quote

[roxi*stardust]

Nubain can cause w/d symptoms in opiate dependent persons

[Skeeter]

I used "bain" back in the days when IU was opiate nieve and it was wonderful for a 5-6 hour nice opiate buzz. One time I thought I'd try it with OC's which I could only score maybe once a year and BAM worse experince of my life, instant sick as fuckness! The agonist part made me feel like death. i was in Wd and wasnt even an opiate user really.

So pretty much a worthless drug for this community,wonderful for rookies. It was HUGE in the bodybuilding community and was supposvely used to help get us BBers through tough workouts with less pain and push ourselves harder,but it was really just about getting high.

Go to any bodybuilding forum and they will tell you that "its prescription heroin man, it killed my buddy etc..." lol google nubain and bodybuilding,you'll have a funny reading session of BS.

[pharmboy]

Sounds as if it's along the lines of Pentazociene or Talwin, which I use

to LOVE when I could get away with it. MAN, 100 mg of Talwin and

20 mg of Valium and it was pink cloud time big time.

[syn2600]

yep massive problem in the bodybuilding community. I dont know any other bbers personally that usse it, and i dont either, but its deffinetly a big problem, more on the west coast.

[Consumed.]

The thing is these bodybuilders end using massive amounts of nubaine. So whoever says it will cause instant withdrawals doesnt know what theyre talking about. BBuilders end of moving on to much stronger pain killers and still shooting huge doses of nubaine. It is an atagonist at some level but whoever said Nubaine=instant withdrawals is looking at wiki too much and drawing their own conclusions just to chime in and post. I believe the antagonist point is much higher than with suboxone.

[bigNasty]

The thing is these bodybuilders end using massive amounts of nubaine. So whoever says it will cause instant withdrawals doesnt know what theyre talking about. BBuilders end of moving on to much stronger pain killers and still shooting huge doses of nubaine. It is an atagonist at some level but whoever said Nubaine=instant withdrawals is looking at wiki too much and drawing their own conclusions just to chime in and post. I believe the antagonist point is much higher than with suboxone.
^^^ I agree. I came off a good two week oxy run one time and had bad back and leg pain the day after i ran out of oxy, took a shot of nubain and felt alot better, not worse like most of the stuff you read on it would make you think.

[savethedogs]

^^^ I agree. I came off a good two week oxy run one time and had bad back and leg pain the day after i ran out of oxy, took a shot of nubain and felt alot better, not worse like most of the stuff you read on it would make you think.

I'm pretty sure nubain is unscheduled (in the USA)... there are quite a few online pharms that sell it without a perscription. I was going to order some when I was in WD, but it only came in ampoules meant for injection... and I really don't want to inject anything unless I have no other choice. Anyone know the oral bioavailability?

[longduckdong]

Anyone know the oral bioavailability?

I did Bain all day, everyday for 6 years. (If I was awake, I was on it). And it can only be injected.
Also, it does NOT create instant w/d's.

[Poppylvr]

Back in the day (WWAAAAY back in the day) I injected this along with Benedryl. Together w benedryl IV it was a pretty good rush.