Kratom Newby and Have ?'s

[RR1203]

I'm new here and very interested in trying Kratom for hydro WD and pain mgt.

I'm a bit confused about the plethora of info on this stuff, as each person says something different about it. I've checked out a few sites and it gets more confusing. The array of product is somewhat overwhleming and I'm at a loss of what to actually buy.

What is the difference in the different types: Leaves, powder, liquid, actual plant?

I was referred to the powder, but it is sold in grams and most post discuss intaking 5-15 grams at a time, so would it be less in the powder form and were does one start with dose using powder?

What is the difference between all the types of leaves? If anyone can send me a thread in which this is discussed or listed for people, I would greatly appreciate it! If no thread, I would appreciate any help breaking all this info down///or I should say dumbing it down for poor ol' me :)

I typically consume about 15mg of Norco every 4 hrs, but I've discovered my pills are shit and taking 2 5's gives me more of an effect lately. So, I'm not on a high dose and I tend to be sensitive to most drugs in general.

I did notice on eBay that most sellers put on their auction that it is the buyers responsibility to check with local laws on whether it is legal in a state. One even stated that Arnold will no longer permit it to be shipped to CA...is this true and does anyone know of which states it is illegal, if any?

[tptptp]

Go to iamshaman.com or thekratomking.com buy ONLY commercial leaf (ignore the resins,extracts,etc.) even ignore more expensive types of leaf, buy the regular commercial leaf, then grind it up and mix it in a drink or make it into tea. Read the threads here for more info its all here.

[RR1203]

Go to iamshaman.com or thekratomking.com buy ONLY commercial leaf (ignore the resins,extracts,etc.) even ignore more expensive types of leaf, buy the regular commercial leaf, then grind it up and mix it in a drink or make it into tea. Read the threads here for more info its all here.

Umm, I went to the 1st site and there wasn't just a plain commercial leaf. They had listings for all the powders, 15x, premium, red vein, resin, etc?

That has been my experience with the 4 sites I've encountered thus far. Are the above not effective?

[tptptp]

Umm, I went to the 1st site and there wasn't just a plain commercial leaf. They had listings for all the powders, 15x, premium, red vein, resin, etc?

That has been my experience with the 4 sites I've encountered thus far. Are the above not effective?

Their commercial leaf is called "super premium leaf" thats their commercial junk, just stay away from the "red kroth" stuff thats and extracts, resins etc. are just a waste of money

[Euphoricgirl]

You can also try flagercafe, www.flagercafe.com (http://www.flagercafe.com) she sells good stuff. Personally I have tried the extract a few times and ended up getting sick from the super prem. extract (not deveined) and was told like above the leaf is better, but I have not tried that yet. All people react different to the kratom I am told. Its good for helping with w/d. Goodluck.

[HistoryofMadness]

my fav supplier is phytoextractum.org (http://forum.opiophile.org/phytoextractum.org) and they've got all kinds of different products.


i am of the group that says commercial leaves are the best bet though. but sometimes the extracts are fun as a side street

[RR1203]

Thanks everyone.

I just said screw it and bought 4 different types to sample. Many of the places I was referred to didn't have much of anything for sale.

I found a good selection at Jennymacs and TKK and went with both vendors to sample it. Both already had my shipment out by today and sent priority, so I'll let you know how it goes when I get it in.

I bought the following:
Thai Red Vein Powder & Green Vein Powder (10 grams ea only to sample)
Bali Superfine Stem & Vein Only (1oz)
15x Extract Powder (only 4 grams)

I didn't get the Bali Premium Commericial, but now I may have to do that too. I figure if none of this helps I will order that next. The problem was each site I went to had listings for stuff, but was out and no ordering available. Each poster and site differs on which is best or works. That or you had to buy a larger quantity for an amount I'd be pissed if it didn't help with the WD. I'm hoping 1 out of the 4 will work and then I can order more of the same type...crossing fingers.

I did have to up my Norco to 20mg for the 1st time and it actually worked finally! That makes me think that it's not necessarily that I have bunk Norco, but that my tolerance is higher then ever before...not good. I have some of my Wallie Vicodin left that I will take to see if they work at normal dose for me and if so then the Norco may in fact be weak.

How is Kratom for pain mgt, anyone? I have mild to moderate daily pain and frequent severe attacks weekly. This is why they just keep me doped up all the time, but I am looking for more energy and that is why the Kratom was attractive to me. Not too mention, most docs don't give a shit and as your tolerance goes up your pain pills stay the same, so in essence they become useless altogether! I can still survive w/out the meds and technically darvocet could probably be used for my moderate pain, but the APAP is just too damn much in that stuff and Darvon does nothing! I figure I can always save my meds for the severe attacks and use the Kratom to keep WD at bay and for occasional minor pain control if it works...maybe 2-3 times a week if needed.

Thanks again.

[tptptp]

Thanks everyone.

I just said screw it and bought 4 different types to sample. Many of the places I was referred to didn't have much of anything for sale.

I found a good selection at Jennymacs and TKK and went with both vendors to sample it. Both already had my shipment out by today and sent priority, so I'll let you know how it goes when I get it in.

I bought the following:
Thai Red Vein Powder & Green Vein Powder (10 grams ea only to sample)
Bali Superfine Stem & Vein Only (1oz)
15x Extract Powder (only 4 grams)

I didn't get the Bali Premium Commericial, but now I may have to do that too. I figure if none of this helps I will order that next. The problem was each site I went to had listings for stuff, but was out and no ordering available. Each poster and site differs on which is best or works. That or you had to buy a larger quantity for an amount I'd be pissed if it didn't help with the WD. I'm hoping 1 out of the 4 will work and then I can order more of the same type...crossing fingers.

I did have to up my Norco to 20mg for the 1st time and it actually worked finally! That makes me think that it's not necessarily that I have bunk Norco, but that my tolerance is higher then ever before...not good. I have some of my Wallie Vicodin left that I will take to see if they work at normal dose for me and if so then the Norco may in fact be weak.

How is Kratom for pain mgt, anyone? I have mild to moderate daily pain and frequent severe attacks weekly. This is why they just keep me doped up all the time, but I am looking for more energy and that is why the Kratom was attractive to me. Not too mention, most docs don't give a shit and as your tolerance goes up your pain pills stay the same, so in essence they become useless altogether! I can still survive w/out the meds and technically darvocet could probably be used for my moderate pain, but the APAP is just too damn much in that stuff and Darvon does nothing! I figure I can always save my meds for the severe attacks and use the Kratom to keep WD at bay and for occasional minor pain control if it works...maybe 2-3 times a week if needed.

Thanks again.

Never heard of jennymac but TKK is good.....be warned theres alot of fake/weak kratom around.

Unfortunately I dont think you got any leaf product, the other stuff should help keep WD's away but its definitely not full force kratom.

[RR1203]

Never heard of jennymac but TKK is good.....be warned theres alot of fake/weak kratom around.

Unfortunately I dont think you got any leaf product, the other stuff should help keep WD's away but its definitely not full force kratom.

So I should go with the Bali Premium Commercial or is the Thai Premium better? I'm looking for energy, not to be lethargic, bc I've been stuck like that for years on Norco. I suppose it's a hit or miss with this stuff, right? It doesn't hurt to try a plethora of types though...well, unless I end up allergic or something...that would just be perfect!

[tptptp]

The only place I've ever ordered from has been Iamshaman so I cant tell ya about the other places...I just know TKK is a good source also.

If you want stimulation you need a lower dose, but kratom has a tendency to make you sleep & stim,ulated feeling at the same time in a dysphoric way. It takes some time to figure out what a good kratom dosage is.

It also might make you sick the first couple times regardless of your past opiate experiences. It may make you feel "out of it" your first couple runs and its bound to rock your stomache 8 times out of 10 for a newby.

[RR1203]

So I suppose less is better to start with. Based on postings I've read I'm gonna go super slow just to make sure I don't get sick. I may even start with 1/4 tsp. & work up...I tend to be sensetive to many things and since I'm not really seeking to get high, but more pain mgt. and WD help I'm not worried about wasting a little to stay well.

Thanks for the help.

[flipside]

my fav supplier is phytoextractum.org (http://forum.opiophile.org/phytoextractum.org) and they've got all kinds of different products.


i am of the group that says commercial leaves are the best bet though. but sometimes the extracts are fun as a side street


I'll second that. Mine came from phytoextractum as well. Commercial Bali powder.



So I suppose less is better to start with. Based on postings I've read I'm gonna go super slow just to make sure I don't get sick. I may even start with 1/4 tsp. & work up...I tend to be sensetive to many things and since I'm not really seeking to get high, but more pain mgt. and WD help I'm not worried about wasting a little to stay well.



Thanks for the help.



It worked like a charm for me for supplementing with meds for pain management. And yes small is best. I started with 3 tabelspoons in a little yogurt. It also helps a lot when WD'ing at least it did me.

Let us know how you make out. It won't take long before you find that magic dose.

[RR1203]

Has anyone every thought of compiling a newby Kratom info page/email for people? It would be super helpful to many people and it would lessen a lot of the repetative questions being listed here. Just a thought and I'd do it if I was experienced with it, but I'm not.

I.E.: average starting doses, difference between types & forms (powder vs leaf), intro info, best suppliers, beginner recipes, lingo, etc.

I know I would probably even pay a couple bucks for an informational email like this. It would have saved me hours of searching and could earn someone a little something.

Just a thought to any of you experiences Kratom users. Might as well exploit your knowledge!

[flipside]

That's a great idea. Could be used for the opiophile upgrade project.

[RR1203]

So, I ordered a few different types of Kratom late Friday night/early Saturday morning (12:30am) and both vendors stated they delivered it out on Saturday, which was impressive in itself. HOWEVER, I had the orders sent to my new house even though I'm not there yet and I planned on going to get it on Wed., but to my surprise the order form TKK already was delivered today! WOW! I am going to pick it up tomorrow and will let everyone know how my 1st experience goes...couldn't have been better timing, since I take my last dose of HC tomorrow and then I'm out till next week! Wish me luck that it helps and works...honestly I'm a littler nervous that it will either not be useful to me or make me sick and that terrifies me!

I got the Thai Red Vein and then the Thai Green Vein. Anyone know which I should try first or should I mix the two?

[tptptp]

Never tried TKK but iamshaman has stellar shipment speed too. I think most kratom sellers seem to.

I doubt you'll be able to tell a whole hell of alot of difference between this vein color or that vein color, I once tried a bunch of extracts etc. was just a waste imo, the "coveted red vein korth" from iamshaman which is twice as much $ as the regular wasnt even close to as good as the regular cheap stuff.

[RR1203]

Unfortunately, I discovered where to locate the cheap stuff after I already bought the samples so if this at least helps me with WD's I'm gonna buy the cheap stuff next. I'm all for saving a buck or two or more, but I was afraid to jump in and get it before I actually try what I already bought...this is bc even though it seems low, there is still an incident rate of people not tolerating the Kratom...just cautious!

Thanks. I'll probably just mix the stuff together then, rather then try to keep it all separate.



Going to bed, bc I'm running low since I cut my doses in half. It will get me closer to tomorrow when I can finally try this stuff already.

[lstar7]

So, I ordered a few different types of Kratom late Friday night/early Saturday morning (12:30am) and both vendors stated they delivered it out on Saturday, which was impressive in itself. HOWEVER, I had the orders sent to my new house even though I'm not there yet and I planned on going to get it on Wed., but to my surprise the order form TKK already was delivered today! WOW! I am going to pick it up tomorrow and will let everyone know how my 1st experience goes...couldn't have been better timing, since I take my last dose of HC tomorrow and then I'm out till next week! Wish me luck that it helps and works...honestly I'm a littler nervous that it will either not be useful to me or make me sick and that terrifies me!



I got the Thai Red Vein and then the Thai Green Vein. Anyone know which I should try first or should I mix the two?


I have read that people in Thailand like to mix the red and "white" green vein together, I have ordered some red vein powder to check the difference as I have just gone through my first hundred grams of the green. TKK rocks and has the best prices with potent leaf. I have really enjoyed mine, though I have made myself a bit nausious a couple of times.

[lstar7]

would like to se my signature with picture, hope it works:)

[lstar7]

hopefully my sig pic comes up this time, sorry folks newbie here.

[lstar7]

ok, ok I got it now, I think, hey all Im having a blast reading your posts and nice to meet yas!

[lstar7]

Go to iamshaman.com or thekratomking.com buy ONLY commercial leaf (ignore the resins,extracts,etc.) even ignore more expensive types of leaf, buy the regular commercial leaf, then grind it up and mix it in a drink or make it into tea. Read the threads here for more info its all here.

Seems that many vendors are out of PC crushed leaf right now, at least the affordable venders:) But the green thai from TKK is still not too expensive, and is very good.

[RR1203]

lstar, yeah the green vein is what I've been using, along with the 15x extract. Seems to work okay, as I've yet to have any major WD form the Norco yet! I just took a a 1.25 tsp of the green vein and rest of the 15x mixed and I do feel a slight body rush, like when you just start to notice the effects of HC starting! Not intense, but noticeable! I guess I'm truly lucky thus far, bc no stomach issues, except some serious heartburn and reflux issues. I do have a slight headache, but nothing bad and it could be from my ponytail :)

Overall, I have to say that at least in moderation it is helpful for opiate WD. Maybe at larger quantities I would have more intense effects.

P.S. Does anyone break-out form this stuff? I woke up with 3 new zits this morning and that isn't normal for me.

[lstar7]

Oh wow! I have zits too, LMAO...I wonder if indeed there might be a connection. Glad to hear the kratom is working for you. You will become more in touch with it and will feel more comfortable with higher doses as a bit of time goes by.