How addictive is meth

[Buckshot]

Hey everybody........Guess what.... I got clean!!!!
I've never been on meth but I've done it on occasion when I was using oxy. Anyways 7 days later I feel like a million bux....Really.

My question is now that I have zero tollerance I have an opportunity to buy someones carry (40ml):D But I'm a touch worried that this single dose will produce a withdrawl on me.

If I only do this without doing any opiates the next day wil that produce a withdrawl? Is methadone that addictive? I know I could chew an 80mg oxy and if I dont do any more I wont get a WD, is meth different?

Thanks (and I have thought this choice through, I wanna use oppiates on a weekly basis and beat the devil:p ))
Buckshot

[Blake]

I found that for me the WD from methadone were alot worse than the WD from short acting opiates like oxy's or heroin

[red26]

Methodone withdrawls are a real kick in the ass. I delt with them for over a month and a half after being on the juice for over 2 years. Something about how its stored in the body fat or something. 2 do it occasionally is alot of fun, just dont form a habit or you'll end up payin' 60 bucks a week for a daily fix and in the throws of a serious physical addiction. Worst detox and w.d.'s I've ever been through from an opiate.

[bi11i]

I hate to break the news to you, but you didn't get clean, you just switched to a different drug. Nothing about Methadone cleans the opiates from your system. If you chew an 80mg oxy, you'll be in withdrawals just as you would if you quit taking your methadone.

Unfortunately, you're just as strung out now as you were before, but now you're on Methadone, which is in fact, even harder to kick than the oxy.
Hey everybody........Guess what.... I got clean!!!!
I've never been on meth but I've done it on occasion when I was using oxy. Anyways 7 days later I feel like a million bux....Really.

My question is now that I have zero tollerance I have an opportunity to buy someones carry (40ml):D But I'm a touch worried that this single dose will produce a withdrawl on me.

If I only do this without doing any opiates the next day wil that produce a withdrawl? Is methadone that addictive? I know I could chew an 80mg oxy and if I dont do any more I wont get a WD, is meth different?

Thanks (and I have thought this choice through, I wanna use oppiates on a weekly basis and beat the devil:p ))
Buckshot

[Buckshot]

What???? I havent been using methadone? Re-read my post......I'm clean I've only used meth 2 times in my life and they were about a YEAR apart. I havent used oxy in 7 days and the last few times I doesd with oxy I was tapering.....So I am clean the WD's are totally gone.

But a friend wants to sell me a carry, and I was thinking of take a one time dose of 40mgs.

Will only that produce a WD? Even if I take it only one time?

[Blake]

the answer to your question is..............maybe.


There is no way to know for sure.

[Buckshot]

DaM then.

That scares me a little.....I mean lets face it we all want to enjoy opiates....but dont want to ever exeperience WD's again.

Does anyone have an educated opinion on the issue.
Bi11i what do you think?

Buck

[SuperJunky]

I highly doubt you have no tolerance. Just because your no longer in WD doesn't mean that your tolerance is gone. I've gone 3 months opiate free and when I went back for a joybang, I was really worried I'd over do it but I still needed a lot more than when I first started. It seems once your tolerance gets up there it never seems to really get back to 0, and once you start using again it seems to climb much faster than it did originally. I think this might be because after years of use you much better understand how many opiates you can use w/ out it killing you, so you push the envelope further quicker when you go back.

[bi11i]

Ah, Meth - sorry, I thought meth meant methadone. I don't see too much about crank, meth etc. Sorry.

As for your tolerance, once a Junky, always a Junky - I haven't used any heroin for over a year now, but I bet the amount it would take to get me high would make a first time user completely ill. It's called Chasing the Dragon, my friend. It's the reason that most of us are here....

My advice is to get it out of your head that you're going to be able to chip with only a week's clean time. Give it 6 months or so, and then come back.

There's no doubt that you'll experience WD's again - in my own experience, the sooner you make that realization, the better. If you take the right precautions, however, you'll minimize the experience.

Stay away from that Meth. (notice the lack of tweakers online....)

What???? I havent been using methadone? Re-read my post......I'm clean I've only used meth 2 times in my life and they were about a YEAR apart. I havent used oxy in 7 days and the last few times I doesd with oxy I was tapering.....So I am clean the WD's are totally gone.

But a friend wants to sell me a carry, and I was thinking of take a one time dose of 40mgs.

Will only that produce a WD? Even if I take it only one time?

[Buckshot]

Ohh thanks Bi11i. But let me clear this up.

You originally thought I was using methadone to get off oxy....at least that what it seemed like.
Then I corrected you and you then thought I wasn't using methadone, I was using methamphetamine. aka crank. Wrong again Bi11i.

I stopped using oxy. I used methadone twice in the past year when I couldnt get oxy. Now Im clean for almost 10 days ( oxy has a very short half life) But a friend sold me a carry (methadone) and I wanna drink it, but I dont know if it would produce a WD. Some here say it will. I'm not sure since I dont have much experience with methadone. But I do know that I would pass a urine analysis for opiates at the moment.

I believe I can contribute experience and knowledge to this site.
This is the first posting Ive done at this site. Im getting a bad impression for just reasoning here.
Ive seen alot of misinformation/disinformation here.......many posters seem like kids
Think the-hive.ws
Dont think totse.com

[bi11i]

It doesn't really matter all that much as to what you were using. The withdrawal you'll be in by taking Methadone is directly proportional to the length of time you used Oxy (before quitting, however you did it.) I'm guessing if you're clean and feeling fine after only 7 days, getting clean probably wasn't near as bad is it could be or will be down the line. A smaller habit will yield less withdrawal then say, a habit that kept you dope sick for two weeks+.

You asked for advice, I'm throwing in my two cents. Take it or leave it; don't take it personally.

i'm confident that you'll contribute experience and knowledge to this site as well. Please feel free to point out any misinformation or disinformation as you see it, we'll gladly work together as a community to clarify; the very reason that we're here.

Think Opiophile. Dot Org.

[COLONELWAYNE]

I have been on oxy's for years as it was my drug of choice out of all the different ones I tried.I was snorting four forties a day and taking 60 to 80 mg of hydrocodone in between during and after( not all at once) If you got over withdrawals in seven days, one of two things has happened.1. you haven't been using that long and had not developed as high of tolerence as you thought 2. YOU GOT LUCKY! I have tried to get off these things for years,and this is the longest in ten year that I have been without ANYTHING! (around 38 days) and I still know I can't start chipping because the urge to go back is still too strong.I still remember how good they made me feel! My body is just now starting to produce endorphins again and though I still have days the depression seems unbearable, I know I've got to ride this train as long as I can because if I go back now I may never get this far again. You're talking seven days and I don't want to discourage you if getting clean is what you really want, but just so you will know, my worst days were the 10th, the 14th,15th,and 16th.These were the trying times.I,like you,felt fantastic after 7 days.I too thought it was over but now I don't think it will actually ever be over because once you're an addict you're ALWAYS an addict. As far as tolerence,I had a friend that stayed clean 3 months and when he finally gave in to the calling,started again with the same amount he laid down 3 months prior, so go figure.As far as methadone goes,I have friends who are just as strung out on it than the shit they're trying to get off of so I want no part of it either.Anyway, just thoughts from someone who's been there and still is (in a sense)Peace Out! C.W.

[Buckshot]

Wow thanks for the good info and the patience you guys I really appreciate it.

I really think in term of oxy withdrawl time we are talking about physical and mental WD's. Oxy is undetectable in urine after a few days. Even the local detox centers have a one week protocol. I have alwys felt better on the 4rth day.

Cant thank you enough.
Buckshot

[Peripat]

With any opiate, you'll have physical withdrawals and then the mental ones which will usually last a lot longer. I'm not alone in having dreamt of my drug of choice, months after doing it last...

Bear in mind that methadone breaks down slower in the body than oxys - if you get yourself addicted to methadone, you sure ain't gonna be feeling fine by day ten!

Also, not sure how many habits you've had in the past, Buckshot - but those of us who've played the game more than once will tell you that the first couple of habits are far easier to break than subsequent ones. You now have a taste for opiates, and if I had a dollar for all the times each of us have said "I'll just do it on the weekend" but have ended up with that monkey on our back again... yeah, well, I'd be richer than Bill Gates :D

Welcome to opiophile.org, by the way. Hope you stick around.

[xxanxx]

What???? I havent been using methadone? Re-read my post......I'm clean I've only used meth 2 times in my life and they were about a YEAR apart. I havent used oxy in 7 days and the last few times I doesd with oxy I was tapering.....So I am clean the WD's are totally gone.

But a friend wants to sell me a carry, and I was thinking of take a one time dose of 40mgs.

Will only that produce a WD? Even if I take it only one time?I wish my withdrawls would clear up in 7 days, it takes months for me to feel normal......sigh....
Anyway, I was a bit confused on your post, but your asking if taking methadone one time after being clean for 7 days will produce any WD's? Maybye - although if you had any they shouldn't be too horrible..... On the topic of methadone addiction, I went from a daily heroin user to methadone for pain, and as you can imagine my dose was pretty high due to my heroin tolerance. It was great at first, got off dope and totally killed my pain without going through the high and lows of IV heroin. But, when I had to up the dosage and ran out a week early, it wasn't pretty. My doctor was unwilling to help until we could meet and discuss my dosage, so I was going from 60-80mg of methadone a day to absolutely nothing. All I can say is that methadone withdrawls are far worse than any other opiate I have experienced, even poppy pods. I now wish I had never started the methadone but hey, I am a junky.......Just be careful not to make your methadone a daily habit. 7 days isn't that long, you will be right back where you started in no time....

[casperfromkidz]

NO way are you clean after 7 days, maybe you feel better, but I'm sure you still think about getting high every day. If you want to be clean atleast give it a month before you start to chip. Or Im willing to bet the dones are going to make you dope sick!

[SomniGod]

If you have detoxed out all opiates and have your serotonin flowin again... 1 dose won't make you sick. Period.


~S~

[Buckshot]

The mental/psychological withdrawls were certainly not gone. To not think about something you love is to error.But regarding sweats, hot flashes, shits, anxiety and stuff 7 days is plenty for oxy. Oxycodone has one of the shortest half lifes of any opiate (24-48 hrs) with the big exception being fentanyl.
These WD's are with a minimum dose of 120mgs per day. And often doses closing on a half gram. But hey maybe I'm lucky I work out and eat healthy. And when I have WD's I take massive doses of vit C. Maybe that has something to do with it? Because over the years I have gone into WD several times as we all have. But for me I feel better on the 4th afternoon everytime. (Basically right after the runs go away)
Now that I think of it at poppies.org they have a nice chart showing the breakdown of an average opiate WD by 12hrs intervals. Very intersting to check out.

Buck out

[1badrabbit]

If you have detoxed out all opiates and have your serotonin flowin again... 1 dose won't make you sick. Period.


~S~

Now maybe I am mistaken but I have never read anything about opiates effecting seretonin production. Did you mean endorphins flowing again? Because opiate abuse will stop the natural production of endorphins.

[1badrabbit]

The mental/psychological withdrawls were certainly not gone. To not think about something you love is to error.But regarding sweats, hot flashes, shits, anxiety and stuff 7 days is plenty for oxy. Oxycodone has one of the shortest half lifes of any opiate (24-48 hrs) with the big exception being fentanyl.
These WD's are with a minimum dose of 120mgs per day. And often doses closing on a half gram. But hey maybe I'm lucky I work out and eat healthy. And when I have WD's I take massive doses of vit C. Maybe that has something to do with it? Because over the years I have gone into WD several times as we all have. But for me I feel better on the 4th afternoon everytime. (Basically right after the runs go away)
Now that I think of it at poppies.org they have a nice chart showing the breakdown of an average opiate WD by 12hrs intervals. Very intersting to check out.

Buck out

I would think heroin has just as short a half life as oxycodone maybe even shorter. Especially because no matter how fine your crushing your oxycontin tablets you can't possibly defeat 100% of the time release that encapsulates the oxycodone. That fact will extend the amount of time the oxy is being released in your system ever so slightly.
Like was said above not only the amount of the drug taken, but the length of time you were using daily will play a large factor as well. If you had only been using daily for a month as apposed to a year the withdrawals will last less time and be less severe. Also the number of times you have been through wd's seems to effect the severity as well even if only in your head. At the seven day mark a large dose of methadone will probably not start you at day one again but possibly give you some discomfort there is really no way to know for sure until you do it. Everyone is different as is illustrated by the fact that most people would probably have withdrawals for 7-10 days from a habit the size you described for any decent span of time (not severe the whole time but there nonetheless).
Lastly someone was mentioning above how tolerance seems to hang around even after long periods of sobriety. I have read some research that indicates that the receptors in our brain can be damaged to the ponit that they don't all completely heal. So the receptors are somewhat downgraded so they don't get excited as easily as a person who had never abused opiates. Also in heavy opiate users research has shown that the brain can also produce extra receptors to handle all the extra opiates in the system. These extra receptors take time to die off after you stop using so perhaps that would also attribute to the tolerance after sobriety thing.

[JunkYardSaint]

Methadone lacks the euphoric rush of heroin, but its long half-life in the body means withdrawals are kept away for more time.
Of course, this long lasting half-life of activation makes methadone all the more addictive, and kicking it all that much more difficult.
I have personally 'kicked' from one dose - but of course I'm a junkie - I go through withdrawals from THINKING about it. I just quit poppy-seed bagles and had to get an increase at the klinic.

Methadone :- 6-dimethylamino-4,4-diphenyl-3-hep-tanone, C21H27NO

(CH3)2N-CH-CH3
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LOVE has the same chemical structure!

[longing]

1 dose of 'done wont give you withdrawals - but it may increase your cravings. it may also scratch that itch for the one last time.
it's a chance you take - like all the other chances you have taken that have got you to this point.

[anthropod]

I just quit poppy-seed bagles and had to get an increase at the klinic.

LOL! :D

I really wonder about methadone. A good friend often wonders if methadone might be just the thing for his situation, but is just concerned, or scared, really, that if something were to happen to the clinic, such as in a natural disaster or something, he'd be SOL at just the moment when he'd most need to have his head on straight. I guess the solution would be to somehow save up some reserve doses, even though the clinics frown on that practice. One would think that reasonable clinic staff would understand.

He is very leery of the thought of being so dependent on one source for what almost amounts to absolutely essential medicine. My friend hates the War on drugs for making life so difficult for people that aren't criminals, just trying to get through life without crushing depression, and so do I.

[furber]

been taking methadone for 24 years,it is a hard one to come off,we(my wife and i)have tried many many times to no avail

[anthropod]

furber, do you mind if I ask you a couple of general questions?

Has it been reasonably comfortable, mentally, emotionally, physically, throughout these 24 years?

If so, does this also mean that cravings for other things are minor or at least manageable?

It seems like, even with the cost and inconvenience, that if these are both yes, it could be very well worth it. I've read varying reports on the quality of the clinic experience itself, and assume that it does indeed depend a lot on where one resides. Wherever there is more than one, I would think competition would encourage them to treat their clients well. Where there is only one, well... that's a hell of a monopoly to have.

Also, have you or have you wanted to increase dosage significantly?

TIA.

[furber]

quick answer no it`s been hard,both me and my wife have been taking methadone for the same time so we support each other,having a script from a private doctor here in england is a good way to go,as we pay for this there is not the usual clinic bullshit.comfortable yes, still addicted to a substance causing problems with holidays e t c .our dose has remained pretty stable at 120 ml day

to answer other question,other cravings are very managable,it would be nice to have a larger script but where do you stop,100ml 200 300 so it is best to get on with life as best as possible on what we have

[furber]

Methadone lacks the euphoric rush of heroin, but its long half-life in the body means withdrawals are kept away for more time.
Of course, this long lasting half-life of activation makes methadone all the more addictive, and kicking it all that much more difficult.
I have personally 'kicked' from one dose - but of course I'm a junkie - I go through withdrawals from THINKING about it. I just quit poppy-seed bagles and had to get an increase at the klinic.

Methadone :- 6-dimethylamino-4,4-diphenyl-3-hep-tanone, C21H27NO

(CH3)2N-CH-CH3
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/ \ |
/ _ \ |
/ / \ \____C___CO___CH2CH3
\ \_/ / |
\ / |
\___/ |___
/ \
/ _ \
/ / \ \
\ \_/ /
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LOVE has the same chemical structure! I think you will find that it is HEPTAN ONE,and it goes like this 3 heptan one 6 dimethylamino 4 4 diphenyl hydrochloride

[kramorph]

DONT TOUCH THE SHIT!!!!!! METHADONE IS 10X WORSE THAN HEROIN BUT WITHOUT THE HIGH.Fucking leave it alone your clean.

[HeidiW]

For me, methadone is WAY more addictive than junk, espescially the pink syrup, which I ended up firing. I was hooked at the first time I used it

[shaunclo]

I have never tried methadone, just junk and misc pills. I am very curious as to why and how methadone is fuckin how to detox from. Can anyone give me a brief description on the differences between heroin w/d and methadone w/d. I know methadone w/d lasts a lot longer, so is this the reason why, because it lasts longer, or are the w/d a lot more intense?

[SomniGod]

For the most part, methadone is just a much longer duration of WD's. I think the mental aspects suck worse in that you know that the clinic is there with dope (methadone). This means easy accessibility. That is a monster for me. Just one more reason I refuse to go that route.

~S~

[HeidiW]

If you can avoid methadone, I would advise you to do so. It was more of a monkey on my back than H ever was.

[jcdpoop]

Methodone withdrawls are a real kick in the ass. I delt with them for over a month and a half after being on the juice for over 2 years. Something about how its stored in the body fat or something. 2 do it occasionally is alot of fun, just dont form a habit or you'll end up payin' 60 bucks a week for a daily fix and in the throws of a serious physical addiction. Worst detox and w.d.'s I've ever been through from an opiate.

you make it sound like a 60 dollar a week habit is expensive. if my heroin habit was 60 bucks a week i would have been thrilled. 60 bucks sure beats the hell out of $500

[JunkYardSaint]

you make it sound like a 60 dollar a week habit is expensive. if my heroin habit was 60 bucks a week i would have been thrilled. 60 bucks sure beats the hell out of $500

This, in my egotistical opinion, is the crux of the proverbial biscuit. The price of a methadone 'habit' is 60 dollars a week. If your dose is 30 milligrams a day, or if like me your dose is 160 milligrams a day, it will cost you, on the average, about sixty dollars a week. I, in fact, pay 55 dollars a week. The last time I did two hundred dollars of good pure tar heroin and though I felt it it was barely, and I was still sick from missing one day of my methadone dose - I didn't even technically miss it, I only drank ahead of schedule, and even though I did the dope in the stead of my missed dose I still spent a good solid day nearly two with flu symptoms.

There is no doubt that kicking methadone is hell. That's not the point. I was also afraid to take methadone because kicking it is hell, and once on Methadone afraid to go too far up for fear of the difficulty in getting off, but when I took an honest and realistic assesment of where I was, there was just no other way. Methadone, once I accepted it, ended up saving my ass, and enabled me to do things I couldn't otherwise do. I went on methadone after having several years of relative clean time too - but even my clean time was plagued with craving and punctuated with moments when temptation and opportunity came together and I would use. Using once for me is like having a habit, if I can score after using once I usually do, if not I usually at least get a little sick for a day or two......let me just say that there will be people out there reading these posts that truly NEED to be on methadone. Like many things please remember it DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL. If you are one of the people that need to be on methadone, methadone can and will save lives. It CAN give you your life back. I, personally, see no need to worry about kicking it. I don't plan on kicking ever again. To 'resign' yourself to a lifetime of methadone is nothing even remotely similar to suicide or giving up, nor is it all like staying on dope no matter how much 'in control' you promise yourself you will be... for me it was the most positive decision I've ever made. Since getting back on methadone I've regained my health, my abiltiy to work, I can go to school, do volunteer work, play music, hell I don't have to have my life revolve around struggling with my dope habit anymore. The most important step in my ability to have even a modicom of success was when I decided that it was OK to be on methadone. Methadone is no picnic to kick that is a given. The methadone klinics in Amerika are mostly short on ethics, and very few of them truly care about the addict. I also agree with many who say that if you don't need to be on methadone you shouldn't be. Don't use it as your first line of defense. But for those of us that need methadone, it shouldn't be so easily discounted. Methadone is an excellant opiate for the addict who wants to function, and works especially well for the 'functional' addict. If they had a 'heroin program' it could possible bring the same positive results, it could be done safely and if/when you're ready to kick it would be easier to kick than methadone is, but thats not being offered in this country, we have methadone - on the bright side though methadone is long acting, and it does have the added advantage of getting you out of the regular routine of having to score dope every day, before long you can let go of some of those routines that you are also bound by- or at least I can say that's what I was able to do. Anyway, alot of people put methadone down, I hear about all the so called side affects, how hard it is to kick, and I just have to say that all in all I have to say that those fuzzy pink handcuffs saved my ass more than once.

[Coddfish]

If you have detoxed out all opiates and have your serotonin flowin again... 1 dose won't make you sick. Period.


~S~
Somni's right here. If you are clean though, I would caution against taking all 40 at once Buck. Splitting it into 2 doses will get you plenty of what you want and you will have 2 pops instead of one. I know of people who have od'd on surprisingly small doses of meth. just play it smart and put a few days between these. Just my thoughts

[Buckshot]

Actually that was some time ago Coddfish, but nice on you anyway.

I'm more interested in what JunkYardSaint said.....mostly making me want to ask the question. Don't they slowly wean you off the meth evey month? Doesnt that work? I mean you get on 50mgs and drop that by 5 per month in 10 months your good right? Or is it not that simple?

[shaunclo]

Yo JunYard, do you have to go to a clinic everyday to get your dose? If so, how do you work?

[candy]

Hey Buckshot,
I seriously doubt that you are going to have withdrawls from using Methadone for one day. Doesn't sound like your using daily and it generally takes using on a continuos basis to become addicted. Maybe some would disagree, but IMO, I doubt that someone using opiates once a week is going to become addicted to a point of withdrawals.
My concern however is that 40mg may be a large dose for someone who has only used it twice before. From what I got in your post, you were using Oxy's. Did you go through some kind of withdrawal after you stopped using a few weeks back?
I would be cautious if you choose to take the Methadone, taking it all at once that is.
Then again, I have only taken Methadone for Heroin addiction, never to get high. But after coming off a gram and half daily habit, I started on 40mg daily. I just think that may be too much for someone who has not used that amount of Methadone before.
Whatever does it for you, just be careful.

[duke_nemmerle]

Hey Buckshot,
I seriously doubt that you are going to have withdrawls from using Methadone for one day. Doesn't sound like your using daily and it generally takes using on a continuos basis to become addicted. Maybe some would disagree, but IMO, I doubt that someone using opiates once a week is going to become addicted to a point of withdrawals.
My concern however is that 40mg may be a large dose for someone who has only used it twice before. From what I got in your post, you were using Oxy's. Did you go through some kind of withdrawal after you stopped using a few weeks back?
I would be cautious if you choose to take the Methadone, taking it all at once that is.
Then again, I have only taken Methadone for Heroin addiction, never to get high. But after coming off a gram and half daily habit, I started on 40mg daily. I just think that may be too much for someone who has not used that amount of Methadone before.
Whatever does it for you, just be careful.

I agree with you totally, you want to be really careful if you are taking methadone in an unsupervised setting. Also, if you do decide to take 2 seperate doses like someone suggested BE CAREFUL on redosing. Methadone has a very long period of action and there have been MANY cases of unsupervised methadone injuries(death) from people redosing too quickly. Also you won't wanna mix anything with it of course. Just be careful man, unsupervised methadone isn't something I'd suggest to anyone honestly

[lolleedee]

I have to agree with JunkYard here. I don't know about using meth for a one time kick after using oxy's. I DO know that methadone saved my life, and without it, I would be dead! period. As for the withdrawls from methadone, the clinic i go to weans you off by reducing over a long period of time, by only 1 0r 2 mg. per MONTH! That is a very slow wean... takes a long time, but slow enough that you do not have any physical withdrawl. The psychological withdrawl is what I think gets most of us in trouble anyway!!! That is why so many of us go back after a fair amount of clean time...because it continues to call us! The nature of the opiate beast, I guess!!!:D

[furber]

[quote=
. Methadone is an excellant opiate for the addict who wants to function, and works especially well for the 'functional' addict. If they had a 'heroin program' it could possible bring the same positive results,.[/quote]


HERE HERE correct in many ways heroin program is the way to go,methadone is evil in many ways,esp trying to kick

[hovadagod]

I'm beginning to think that bupe is not far off...granted methadone WD's are far worse than bupe, bupe WD's last just as long. I guess youi can't get to such a high dose with bupe but still, I'm at 20mg and I can't imagine stopping. I try to taper and I end up taking more than the previous day...

[shaunclo]

I'm beginning to think that bupe is not far off...granted methadone WD's are far worse than bupe, bupe WD's last just as long. I guess youi can't get to such a high dose with bupe but still, I'm at 20mg and I can't imagine stopping. I try to taper and I end up taking more than the previous day...

Hey Hov, thats a well made statement. I have been on bup now for over a year and 1/2 and I am on 1mg a day. I cannot seem to break that 1mg dose. The longest I have gone is 3 days, then I just cant do it any longer because it starts to affect my work. I need to take off a good couple of weeks to be able to break this subutex grip. I can do it if I didnt have to work, but after 2 nights of not sleeping it is impossible to function as needed at work. If I could start over, I would not have gone on the bup maintenance, but instead would have done the quick detox. I have heard that it works great with bare minimum w/d symptoms. True, its not as hard as a methadone detox, but it just boils down to the fact that an opiate w/d is an opiate w/d, is an opiate w/d. Man, if I had a quarter for every time I said that.

[Somni Divine]

Yo JunYard, do you have to go to a clinic everyday to get your dose? If so, how do you work?
Now I see why it upsets you when people don't use the SEARCH ENGINE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!

[Canis aureus]

It maybe hard to kick but I don't even want... It has stopped the vicious cycle/circle. But, in my opinion, pain meds -- opioids -- should be an option to a person. It should be ones right to live a life when it isn't anything taken from anybody... My methadone use makes me even more confortable person, compared to that, when I would not... Anyway, if that wouldn't be an option, I would be hunting opiods until I'd get them...

And work, of course, I could work... study, what ever

[exitwound]

It maybe hard to kick but I don't even want... It has stopped the vicious cycle/circle. But, in my opinion, pain meds -- opioids -- should be an option to a person. It should be ones right to live a life when it isn't anything taken from anybody... My methadone use makes me even more confortable person, compared to that, when I would not... Anyway, if that wouldn't be an option, I would be hunting opiods until I'd get them...

And work, of course, I could work... study, what ever

damn right!

[Canis aureus]

My statement is still: My methadone use makes me more confortable person... I could do more what I need to do. I would be hunting opiates, unless I wouln't be in program. I could not kick... I'm opiophile.

And, yeah, thatks Exitwound!

[JunkYardSaint]

Actually that was some time ago Coddfish, but nice on you anyway.
I'm more interested in what JunkYardSaint said.....mostly making me want to ask the question. Don't they slowly wean you off the meth evey month? Doesnt that work? I mean you get on 50mgs and drop that by 5 per month in 10 months your good right? Or is it not that simple?
I apologize for not noticing this until now, I would have gladly answered this much sooner. If anyone ever wants to ask me any question about anything at anytime please by all means feel free to leave me a private message or email me- my visits to Opiophile are eratic, I sometimes spend a few minutes - I sometimes peruse these threads for hours - but if you leave me a private message or shoot me an email I'll see it first thing and will answer first chance I get. - Of course I should have come back and checked this out - I do apologize for my abscence.

Methadone Maintenence is different for each individual; the best clinics fully realize that Methadone is not and will not ever work as a "one size fits all" sort of solution. Some people will be on Methadone for their entire life. Some use Methadone to detox from Heroin or other opiates with - do you know that I know a guy who is on Methadone and his proclaimed "drug of choice" were the PODS that he was getting from his local Garden Ridge store? They stopped selling them and he went to the clinic! :p

When detoxing the Doctor will titrate your dose down from whatever dose your on, until you get down sometimes as low as one single milligram. Now the shortest term (voluntary detox) I've ever know people to use Methadone for is what's typically offered at the BAART Clinics in California, at least during the years I lived there -was the 28 day detox. Usually the dose is between 30 and 80 milligrams the first week. They immediately began to titrate down. In those 28 days you titrate down to that last day when you receive one milligram. Most junkies are using by then to be honest.

There have been many instances of people successfully detoxing from heroin and quitting the habit for good by using Methadone. It is my understanding that those who stay on Methadone long enough to establish a solid routine and daily existence without using dope, selling dope, being around dope - basically using that time to make the necessary life-style changes so that when they are free of their dope habit they'll have a fighting chance. Once you've done that, and you're ready to make the transition, it is my understanding that those who have the greatest success are those who are in no hurry to detox, but rather titrate down at a rate that's comfortable for them and not too stressful. I've known people to take a whole year and even two slowly titrating down to 1 milligram. Once down to one milligram you have a very managable dependence and you might even be able to use buprinex if you need to. I have known people to say that those last five milligrams were the toughest.

I think this is a very individual thing, there is no right way or wrong way - it's whatever works for you. I personally don't know if I'll ever be free of it - but that's a different story - I might be able to do it and I haven't ruled it out. I am among those who has to say that Methadone has saved my life.

Yo JunYard, do you have to go to a clinic everyday to get your dose? If so, how do you work?

To address the question about how often one is required to attend a Methadone clinic- yes, the first requirement is usually daily - especially if it's your first time attending a clinic- however, depending on the clinics policies, attending daily is usually only temporary and not something that they will require for very long unless you keep showing dirty for opiates or other illicit drugs. I currently am going once a week, that is in part because I recently switched clinics and had a urine test that was positive. They caught me off guard - not that I encourage any type of deceptive behavior but even when I was using regularly I never had a dirty urine. I'll be the first to admit that being a methadone patient can be a major pain in the ass - but if you're careful and keep your head on straight it can be relatively easy and one can develop a good repoire with one's clinic, telling them what they need to hear and in turn you will be granted an almost reasonable amount of freedom. I've never gone to a clinic that tested for marijuana - and occasional illicit drug use is pretty difficult for them to track once you've established a reasonable take home schedule. I'm neither advocating nor condeming illicit drug use while on Methadone, but as an adult I like to think that I can do whatever I want and not have to worry about having any privledges taken from me. In other words if you're going once a month it's pretty easy to guess when you might be given a urine test. That said, every three months I go up one level. I will go from once a week to once every two weeks in a month or so, then in three months I will be able to go once monthly. Going to the clinic once a month is really not that bad. Knowing you might be piss tested once a month isn't exactly like being on probation either. I've never had to deal with observed urines and I've never had to go every single day for more than one month and that's the maximum amount of time I've ever been required to go daily. At my current clinic I was never required to go daily - and I would have kept the once every two week schedule I was on at the time had I not been so totally and completely unprepared. I just happened to have my head up my ass that particular week.

Also - clinics can be as different as night and day. States have different regulations, and even though Federal Regulations have become somewhat relaxed and are much more reasonable than I've ever seen them. The entire Methadone Maintenence industry was established on a "Behavior Modification" sort of modality, but there is currently an ever growing movement of people who are trying to move it into the medical modality where it belongs. This includes recent federal regulations allowing OBOT or "Office Based Opoid Treatment" - which now makes it legal to receive treatment from any Medical Doctor who wishes to make the treatment available to his patients. Although the drug remains federally regulated, this eliminates all the other bullshit requirements that most clinics have of mandatory group attendance, counseling, and being treated as if the issue is one of unethical immoral behavior as opposed to a medical issue requiring medication only. I know of several people who obtain their methadone from a Doctor, and it's as easy as getting a prescription and filling it. What a novel idea! Hey - you don't have to treat a addict like a criminal after all! Isn't that amazing? :rolleyes:

[Chipper]

Buckshot, chipping on methadone is not easy. Allow at least 2 weeks between uses. You still will experience mild w/d symptoms but they will be protracted due to the long half-life of Methadone and will last up to a fortnight. 40 mg is a large dose if you're tolerance is 'reset' (don't be fooled - it's still there). As Bi11y said, it's proportional to what you have taken and for how long.

I suggest that you try to find a shorter lasting opiate but even then, one week is not enough.